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Hey I don't normally post on here, I have been over at ppcgeeks for over a year now and thought everyone would like to read this. Hopefully its true.
"Read this before you start flaming....
So, recognizing that it is definately NOT early Q1 2008 anymore, I decided to go on an info seeking quest with Sprint Customer Service. After about 45 minutes of being put on hold...transfered twice...some social engineering....I finally got transfered to a device engineer. Mind you, this was not any type of customer service rep or tech support guy. This was an engineer who actually worked on it.
He confirmed, and very quickly I might add (didn't need to look anything up....he immediately knew the answer), that the update we all DESPERATELY want will come out this Friday, February 15th. I said to him, "This Friday? That's a strange day. You guys usually release on Mondays." He replied, "Yes, it is an unusual day. We are releasing it on Friday because it's already late to market."
I think this is pretty credible info. He backed it up with admission of a strange release day and the fact that it's late.
Now, bring it on Naysayers...."
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=18489
We don't flame here:-D
I'm pretty sure this is the tenth "for sure" release date we've heard.
Well, I was on hold with Sprint for almost 45 minutes and was told that the new update was coming out on Friday. He couldn't give me any details other than that. Sounds promising, but I'm not going to hold my breath!
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I'm pretty sure this is the tenth "for sure" release date we've heard.
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I know, but I am just hoping that Sprint will follow through on one of them. At least by default.
here is why I wouldn't believe this...(and I'm not flaming the poster here just pointing out some inconsistencies...)
1 - If it was actually done and what he said was true they would have released it as soon as it was officially DONE...for the same reasons he said it would be released on a friday...It's Late...Why delay till friday if it is complete?
2 - Sorint isn't the one actually working on this release...HTC is! All Sprint might do is integrate it into a ROM for their phones but HTC was the one actually working on the radio. Maybe the radio is done and Spint has it but again if they had it why wait till friday to release it?
Only reason to wait on a release is for testing purposes...
And if that is true then they could just as easily find a problem and delay again...
No matter what the truth is, It will be done when it's done! We have DCD's ROMs to work with for now. And even if Sprint does release Friday it will take a day or two before guys like DCD and No2Chem extract the stable radio in it and cook up some Roms for everyone else.
The only thing I know thats happening on Friday for Sprint is that my neighbor and good friend maybe out of a job, Sprint is going through a MASSIVE restructuring and layoff. His support area is going from 15 cell site techs to 7.... Sprints got real issues other than slow ROM updates
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And even if Sprint does release Friday it will take a day or two before guys like DCD and No2Chem extract the stable radio in it and cook up some Roms for everyone else.
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i dont know about a few days, when the 3.16 beta was leaked DCD had cooked roms up in about 8 hours, lol
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here is why I wouldn't believe this...(and I'm not flaming the poster here just pointing out some inconsistencies...)
1 - If it was actually done and what he said was true they would have released it as soon as it was officially DONE...for the same reasons he said it would be released on a friday...It's Late...Why delay till friday if it is complete?
2 - Sorint isn't the one actually working on this release...HTC is! All Sprint might do is integrate it into a ROM for their phones but HTC was the one actually working on the radio. Maybe the radio is done and Spint has it but again if they had it why wait till friday to release it?
Only reason to wait on a release is for testing purposes...
And if that is true then they could just as easily find a problem and delay again...
No matter what the truth is, It will be done when it's done! We have DCD's ROMs to work with for now. And even if Sprint does release Friday it will take a day or two before guys like DCD and No2Chem extract the stable radio in it and cook up some Roms for everyone else.
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You'd be surprised. I used to work for a company (will let the company rename nameless) that did all the picturemail testing and QA for sprint phones and when we would get new firmware and everything was QAed and done and certified for release the firmware was not "immediately" released. They ALWAYS set a date a for real production but would have it in "production" for a week or so with the sprint people to make sure everything worked fine.
why dont they just mail the files to dcd or colonel and let them do it for em? seems like something would actually get done and done right.
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why dont they just mail the files to dcd or colonel and let them do it for em? seems like something would actually get done and done right.
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You know, that does make sense...
Bwhite4801 said:
Hey I don't normally post on here, I have been over at ppcgeeks for over a year now and thought everyone would like to read this. Hopefully its true.
"Read this before you start flaming....
So, recognizing that it is definately NOT early Q1 2008 anymore, I decided to go on an info seeking quest with Sprint Customer Service. After about 45 minutes of being put on hold...transfered twice...some social engineering....I finally got transfered to a device engineer. Mind you, this was not any type of customer service rep or tech support guy. This was an engineer who actually worked on it.
He confirmed, and very quickly I might add (didn't need to look anything up....he immediately knew the answer), that the update we all DESPERATELY want will come out this Friday, February 15th. I said to him, "This Friday? That's a strange day. You guys usually release on Mondays." He replied, "Yes, it is an unusual day. We are releasing it on Friday because it's already late to market."
I think this is pretty credible info. He backed it up with admission of a strange release day and the fact that it's late.
Now, bring it on Naysayers...."
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=18489
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I'll check with my friend who leaked me the early testing version with GPS and RevA
I'm sure he's reliable
I am just confused why the release will be Friday. Usually they release Monday just in case there are any issues they have tech support on hand M-F to fix the issues. I am talking even the basic issues with a good rom. Plus everyone knows the techs do not set the release data. Upper Management sets the release date once they feel like it is in control. Just my opinion.
they cant tech their way out of a wet paper sack anyway. the devs in here are far better support than any pin head at sprint will ever be. Ill wait for the xda gurus and the ppc guys (if they get their site working right) to put thier heads together and build a screamin rom for us all
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they cant tech their way out of a wet paper sack anyway. the devs in here are far better support than any pin head at sprint will ever be. Ill wait for the xda gurus and the ppc guys (if they get their site working right) to put thier heads together and build a screamin rom for us all
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Are you stupid or something? Do you really think any carrier makes thier own ROM? HTC does all of it, every little bit, and then carriers bug test and HTC sends them another. Why do people think carriers make phones or software? All they make is a network.
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Are you stupid or something? Do you really think any carrier makes thier own ROM? HTC does all of it, every little bit, and then carriers bug test and HTC sends them another. Why do people think carriers make phones or software? All they make is a network.
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Oh no... and carefull tossing around accusations of "stupidity"... You've already touched upon testing, but also often either in house or contracted out development is done for carrier specific applications and configurations for the carriers' released ROMs.
Kmart Afther you gave us gps you have my complete trust!
http://www.america.htc.com/support/mogul/software-downloads.html
HTC is currently developing a separate ROM update which enables the EV-DO Rev. A and GPS capabilities that are already built into the Mogul hardware. Sprint and HTC plan to make this software ROM available in early 1Q 2008. Please bookmark this page for easy reference.
why is this something we are supposed to get excited about? we've had it for weeks
now if it was the video drivers... that would be another story
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http://www.america.htc.com/support/mogul/software-downloads.html
HTC is currently developing a separate ROM update which enables the EV-DO Rev. A and GPS capabilities that are already built into the Mogul hardware. Sprint and HTC plan to make this software ROM available in early 1Q 2008. Please bookmark this page for easy reference.
why is this something we are supposed to get excited about? we've had it for weeks
now if it was the video drivers... that would be another story
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I think a lot of people are hoping for a less flaky radio in the official version (that doesn't randomly drop the data connection). Really that's about it I think.
They ALWAYS set a date a for real production but would have it in "production" for a week or so with the sprint people to make sure everything worked fine.
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Well my point was until their final testing is complete you can't really be sure they have a stable release at all...
they may have set Friday as the release date so they could test but that friday is just another deadline that could be missed if they find some issue between now and then...
So you can't really say it is READY unless you have already done all your testing and if you haven't then it is not actually ready yet...
In either case something said is not really fact! Either it was tested and ready so why not release...Or it is being tested until friday to see if it is good and therefore NOT READY yet...
Thats all I was trying to get across.
i dont know about a few days, when the 3.16 beta was leaked DCD had cooked roms up in about 8 hours, lol
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LOL very true....
Hi all,
I see a lot of familiar/famous faces here allready.
Would be good to know which Devs are porting over to the Raphael.
May also help with Development work if we have a list of Developers that will be here from the beginning.
So far I believe we have
Mamaich
Bepe
Olipro
CMonex
JJ
Dutty
Laurentius
myself
Who else will be joining us?
Cheers,
Beasty
I'll be too.
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Count me in sir.
Heee ... Beasty, yes you can count me in!
I'm looking forward to Rapheal!
Regards,
Leo
Looks like the old Universal team is back together
Myself included!
You can count me in for any help with ROM testing - my upgrade is due in 4 weeks and counting...
Well whenever this comes to ATT I'll compile another thread devoted to tweaking and removing all of the random crap that is bound to come with the ATT version...
Upgrade or no upgrade available on my contract, I'm getting this phone (but I can wait for a non-front camera version for about $200 less than the $904 price it's at right now.)
I'm certainly ready to jump on the Raphael bandwagon, but the details for the 3G radio for us yankees are still questionable. Until I see what the US version is, I'm not getting really excited about it. Other than a RAM/ROM/Processor upgrade, there isn't much of a gain. Also, until this thing gets in the hands of some XDA users, we won't know if they made a similar mistake as they did with the Kaiser in terms of drivers and hardware implementation.
HTC Omni with Android - yes. Another rehash of the Wizard, meh.
-Mc
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I'm certainly ready to jump on the Raphael bandwagon, but the details for the 3G radio for us yankees are still questionable. Until I see what the US version is, I'm not getting really excited about it. Other than a RAM/ROM/Processor upgrade, there isn't much of a gain. Also, until this thing gets in the hands of some XDA users, we won't know if they made a similar mistake as they did with the Kaiser in terms of drivers and hardware implementation.
HTC Omni with Android - yes. Another rehash of the Wizard, meh.
-Mc
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Pretty sure that TouchFlo 3D needs D3D acceleration to work?? The GFX drivers situation should be almost identical to the diamond, so best to take a gander at the diamond forum and see if any issues are apparent?
You're absolutely correct.
But let us not forget that HTC's devices from years ago perform better graphically then the Kaiser. Who'd have ever thought THAT would happen (especially considering the vast technological improvements)?!?!
I have been lurking on the Diamond forums keeping an eye on how things play out. We still haven't seen a US-based Diamond variant yet.
-Mc
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You're absolutely correct.
But let us not forget that HTC's devices from years ago perform better graphically then the Kaiser. Who'd have ever thought THAT would happen (especially considering the vast technological improvements)?!?!
I have been lurking on the Diamond forums keeping an eye on how things play out. We still haven't seen a US-based Diamond variant yet.
-Mc
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Yes McHale but even if that is the case the Touch Pro is running the same chipset as the Diamond (7201A) so people could just make hybrid ROMs incorporating the best of both devices. Next question.
I'm not talking about the video specifically, I'm talking about support and proper implementation of hardware. Believe me, I'm not bashing HTC. I have enough devices I can say I supported them quite a little. I'm saying we haven't seen a US model yet and until I see the model that will work in the states, we don't know how well it will be implemented.
-Mc
You guys make me feel like A Noob again.
Not a Dev, but come agust 28th, i'll be switching to my new Baby and thread.
ill be here also,,,, full throttle.
Still debating when to get the ***** purchased, get it before holiday......or after?? hmmm
(bearing in mind i chose day before holidays to get my Hermes back in 2k6 lol)
i will switch over when at&t comes out with their version.
hope soon cause i can't stand the wait.
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Still debating when to get the ***** purchased, get it before holiday......or after?? hmmm
(bearing in mind i chose day before holidays to get my Hermes back in 2k6 lol)
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I've done the same mate, the Raphael should arrive just before we fly off to Florida (hopefully) gives me plenty of time to work on some Roms whilst away (and a new toy to play with on the plane)
Stocks for pre-orders are running a bit low on most UK sites now though, so be quick if you do want one. Expansys did me one for £460 with case and cables TV Out etc. I imagine prices will rise slightly after release and demand will be pretty high. The Uni finally gets chance to have a rest in the Bottom-Drawer Beasty PDA vault.
Cheers,
Beasty
Noonski said:
You guys make me feel like A Noob again.
Not a Dev, but come agust 28th, i'll be switching to my new Baby and thread.
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is 28th Aug the official release to retail date?
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is 28th Aug the official release to retail date?
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Since this isn't about the release, (that's another thread)
No the 28th is not the release date, It's when "I" get my Baby.
i so happy that i see some of my fav devs getting ready for my new HTC!!.
i was hoping to stay with the original Rom at least 6 months but i dont thing this will happen with u all!!
good luck
what has happened to the titan scene on xda, no one developing anymore? everyone move too ppcgeeks or something? whats the story with this ghost town forum?
What's left? This thing works perfect!
Yeah does seem strangely quiet lately I guess its due the imminent release of the Pro in the states for all the Sprint and ATT people
Everyone got tired of carrying around bricks and got Touch Diamonds.
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What's left? This thing works perfect!
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I kinda have to agree here... DCD 3.2.6 has just been stable and good to me... I am going to give nueRom3 a shot eventually, but I think the excitement of the Titan is gone and people are now focusing on the Diamond and Touch Pro
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what has happened to the titan scene on xda, no one developing anymore? everyone move too ppcgeeks or something? whats the story with this ghost town forum?
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I agree, it has been a ghost town after GC hooked us up with solid GPS. Not a whole lot more hardware wise we can do. We need to focus on creating bad ass custom ROMS. Check my first publicly released rom at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436997&page=2 Post #15.
Peace!
not sure about the rest of you, but I am completely satisfied with dcd3.2.6 and intend to keep running it until the Touch HD is released in the US.
I really wish development would have continued, I never got SMS working on 3.2.6, so I'm stuck with 3.2.5 and the annoying callwating... noise.
Yea and sucks b/c verizon wont get a diamond or anything like it for a very long time so Im stuck with what we got here
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not sure about the rest of you, but I am completely satisfied with dcd3.2.6 and intend to keep running it until the Touch HD is released in the US.
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sorry to say, but i saw this article a week or so ago...Touch HD isnt coming to the US
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10060561-1.html
it does say that HTC has some other great stuff planned, but who knows how long itll be till anyone gets it...and then add some time till verizon finally does.
I agree with you, things seem slow around here. I read this forum every night, seems as though DCD was always trying to find a better way to do something and a lot of other great solutions were born out his enthusiasm. Hope to see him back soon!
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Yea and sucks b/c verizon wont get a diamond or anything like it for a very long time so Im stuck with what we got here
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According to an article on on Engagdet Mobile training for the Touch Diamond had to be completed by December. So maybe Verizon will be getting it sooner then everyone expects. It is Verizon though so who knows.
gbenj said:
sorry to say, but i saw this article a week or so ago...Touch HD isnt coming to the US
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10060561-1.html
it does say that HTC has some other great stuff planned, but who knows how long itll be till anyone gets it...and then add some time till verizon finally does.
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Sprint is getting the Touch HD, just not in its current form. It will have WiMAX integrated when released in the US next year.
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According to an article on on Engagdet Mobile training for the Touch Diamond had to be completed by December. So maybe Verizon will be getting it sooner then everyone expects. It is Verizon though so who knows.
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True hopefully it will be before the end of the year. Also Verizon will carry the Omnia soon as well. It's name showed up on the Rebate forms at work
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True hopefully it will be before the end of the year. Also Verizon will carry the Omnia soon as well. It's name showed up on the Rebate forms at work
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I've been following this one... I'm due for an upgrade. As much as I love my Titan, I am always up for the latest and greatest - and the Omnia does look pretty nice. I do seem to remember a similar topic last year with the XV6800... didn't it show up on some rebate forms months before it was released? Knowing Verizon, I'm not getting my hopes up yet...
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I do seem to remember a similar topic last year with the XV6800... didn't it show up on some rebate forms months before it was released? Knowing Verizon, I'm not getting my hopes up yet...
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Very true. Came out like 3 months after it first started showing up on the rebate forms.
yup just putting the word out. pictures and more info here http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=3018 lol I wonder how long it will takes us to get our hands on this one
windows mobile 6.5 walk thru for video click link http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/255/71.733
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=474406
my friend the link I already knew about, Da_G is doing his best to get a BETA version of 6.5. I am talking about the "official" release. Which microsoft has made it official to have devices come out the end of 2009. But that doesnt mean we wont have it sooner, all we need is a leak and then DA_G wont have to work as hard
I'm surprised to read
Microsoft said. "Manufacturer’s will not be able to customise the interface as much as they have done in the past
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Tell me if I'm wrong but visual layers as manilla are an add-on software, not a modification of the OS. So how could microsoft no allow such UI
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Microsoft said. "Manufacturer’s will not be able to customise the interface as much as they have done in the past
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Tell me if I'm wrong but visual layers as manilla are an add-on software, not a modification of the OS. So how could microsoft no allow such UI
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That explains alot in regard to the difficulties surrounding the issues Da_G and others have had getting things to work correctly on the betas. It is not a good sign that Microsoft is taking this approach. This tells me that the issues with the ui breaking with lots of third party software are only going to get worse. I have a feeling we are going to have alot more problems with 6.5 than we would like before its all over.
It saying late 2009 so that means windows mobile 7 prolly wont be out until 2011 maybe cause i doubt if they release it 2010 after releasing 6.5 late in 2009.
Yea im cant wait for the not beat leak for 6.5 for the fuze
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That explains alot in regard to the difficulties surrounding the issues Da_G and others have had getting things to work correctly on the betas. It is not a good sign that Microsoft is taking this approach. This tells me that the issues with the ui breaking with lots of third party software are only going to get worse. I have a feeling we are going to have alot more problems with 6.5 than we would like before its all over.
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My guess is that they're trying to establish a more consistent appearance of the operating system for branding purpose. It's hard to say "this is what a windows phone looks like" when every manufacturer makes it look different. My guess is that 3rd party UI's will still be around though, and they're just talking about what a stock phone looks like.
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Yea im cant wait for the not beat leak for 6.5 for the fuze
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Its not happening:
Sadly, Microsoft's saying that no devices in the market today will receive official 6.5 updates, but don't pull out your wallets just yet, though -- the first devices with Windows Mobile 6.5 preinstalled should be available in the fourth quarter of the year.
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http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/02/16/microsoft-announces-windows-mobile-6-5/
So it won't be leaking for the Raph. The leak will probably be a generic leak, not customized for any specific (or maybe customized for another new phone) phone so the guys here will play/work extra hard to make it work on the Raph.
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My guess is that they're trying to establish a more consistent appearance of the operating system for branding purpose. It's hard to say "this is what a windows phone looks like" when every manufacturer makes it look different. My guess is that 3rd party UI's will still be around though, and they're just talking about what a stock phone looks like.
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I hear what your saying and I agree with Microsofts idea to some extent. I hope your right about the UI's Scotchua.
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Sadly, Microsoft's saying that no devices in the market today will receive official 6.5 updates, but don't pull out your wallets just yet, though -- the first devices with Windows Mobile 6.5 preinstalled should be available in the fourth quarter of the year.
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So it won't be leaking for the Raph. The leak will probably be a generic leak, not customized for any specific (or maybe customized for another new phone) phone so the guys here will play/work extra hard to make it work on the Raph.
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My guess is this is why HTC's leaked roadmap shows att coming out with a new phone called the barium that is almost identical to the fuze. That will be the 6.5 variant.
What the heck, is it just me or is there not a picture of an "OK" button anywhere...
at least now I know what my "X" button is supposed to look like..
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What the heck, is it just me or is there not a picture of an "OK" button anywhere...
at least now I know what my "X" button is supposed to look like..
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LOL ... Theirs is a little small than yours just a little. Im amazed at how far IE has come. SPEECHLESS>.
Now I want a Touch Pro 2. Ill be drooling for the next 6-8 months waiting for it
What I read none of the older devices will get 6.5. The only ones released with 6.1 that will get 6.5 are the TP2 and Diamond 2 due out in late Q2
I'm kind of intrigued by 6.5 but its not a huge deal for me the news apps look cool, most of the improved functionality I can get with fingermenu and manilla, IMHO Manilla with fingermenu > then 6.5 (though if we could have all together that would be great). What I really want (and I'm searching for on all kinds of asian boards) is the latest version of manilla the TP2 runs. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know.
can we have a confirmation if we will have a wm 6.5 rom upgrade from htc?
in terms of processor both touch pro and touch pro 2 have same MHz (different chipset though).... only higher resolution.
And during the livecast i think steve ballmer said something about wm6.5 being available on phones in all price ranges... that could mean our touch pro will be able to do wm 6.5 as it has some horsepower underneath
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can we have a confirmation if we will have a wm 6.5 rom upgrade from htc?
in terms of processor both touch pro and touch pro 2 have same MHz (different chipset though).... only higher resolution.
And during the livecast i think steve ballmer said something about wm6.5 being available on phones in all price ranges... that could mean our touch pro will be able to do wm 6.5 as it has some horsepower underneath
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Everything I have read thus far says no that touch pro will not get a upgrade to 6.5.
Hopefully we will see different over the coming weeks.
we even have on our toch pro (and touch diamond) the required windows button: in our case it is the home button... it could have same functionality.. and the back, call end/start buttons too.. so that is checked, like the processor speed.. lol its only up to htc's decision to prolong the life of an "outdated" product or not (in their vision, as on some us carriers it just got launched)
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Everything I have read thus far says no that touch pro will not get a upgrade to 6.5.
Hopefully we will see different over the coming weeks.
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It wont cause of the fact touch pro 2 rumor to be release in 2nd quarter. Which has the tilt screen again. Which i loved my at&t tilt. plus tp2 looks thinner.
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Now I want a Touch Pro 2. Ill be drooling for the next 6-8 months waiting for it
What I read none of the older devices will get 6.5. The only ones released with 6.1 that will get 6.5 are the TP2 and Diamond 2 due out in late Q2
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The manufacturers and software engineers are killing me!! Just about the time I think I have a great phone and become satisfied with a cooked ROM, they go and tease me with a newer, better version of what I already have. Don’t these people know the state of the world economy?!
I agree about tp2
I already told my fiance that I am getting it and she was like you just brought that phone, so we came to the conclusion I had buy her a new X-Pole. I think the tp2 looks alot like the nokia teaser I saw a couple of months ago http://mashable.com/2008/12/02/nokia-n97-facebook/ I may try to get both.
So been honestly thinking if JB takes til next yr which is pretty much when the new HTC will come out to get to the EVO this will be my last HTC device, I really love HTC and have been with them since the touch pro. Howeva the build quality has seemed to go up immensely. And yet the software quality has dropped. I can honestly say that I have had progressively more n more trouble out of the phones from the OG EVO up. Not to mention how we have to wait so long to get a update. Especially when that update was known and out on a few devices b4 our were released, then they can't tell us if or when we will get it. I mean really even phones released after ours have been verified to be getting it and yet we wait. I'm sry but I have bought my phones off contract and if I'm spending $850 plus for a device I don't want it to be obsolete the day I get it. Some people will argue that ics is not obsolete. But look how long its been out. And key lime pie is Otw. So we are almost 2 os's behind. And they get to select who gets upgrades and when? Didn't I pay them? If HTC don't pick it up I'm afraid my next phone will be the galaxy s4 anyone else feel this way or not chime in I wanna hear thoughts on this situation!
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So been honestly thinking if JB takes til next yr which is pretty much when the new HTC will come out to get to the EVO this will be my last HTC device, I really love HTC and have been with them since the touch pro. Howeva the build quality has seemed to go up immensely. And yet the software quality has dropped. I can honestly say that I have had progressively more n more trouble out of the phones from the OG EVO up. Not to mention how we have to wait so long to get a update. Especially when that update was known and out on a few devices b4 our were released, then they can't tell us if or when we will get it. I mean really even phones released after ours have been verified to be getting it and yet we wait. I'm sry but I have bought my phones off contract and if I'm spending $850 plus for a device I don't want it to be obsolete the day I get it. Some people will argue that ics is not obsolete. But look how long its been out. And key lime pie is Otw. So we are almost 2 os's behind. And they get to select who gets upgrades and when? Didn't I pay them? If HTC don't pick it up I'm afraid my next phone will be the galaxy s4 anyone else feel this way or not chime in I wanna hear thoughts on this situation!
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I'm honestly not sure this has much to do with HTC. They intend on getting other One X variants JB at some time this month, which could be a positive sign for the EVO LTE, but it all lies in Sprint's hands, ultimately. That's who you should be pointing your finger at.
I agree totally. With HTC's recent earnings miss, I don't see why they can't see their current "support model" isn't working. If it weren't for the dev's here, I'd be even more pissed. HTC needs to embrace the developers as opposed to working against them by not actively releasing updates for a product that they sold me on. I've stuck with HTC devices since my old HTC Mogul but I'm starting to feel the same way. HTC needs to get their **** together or they'll lose a community of people that have helped keep them relevant over the past 5-7 years.
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So been honestly thinking if JB takes til next yr which is pretty much when the new HTC will come out to get to the EVO this will be my last HTC device, I really love HTC and have been with them since the touch pro. Howeva the build quality has seemed to go up immensely. And yet the software quality has dropped. I can honestly say that I have had progressively more n more trouble out of the phones from the OG EVO up. Not to mention how we have to wait so long to get a update. Especially when that update was known and out on a few devices b4 our were released, then they can't tell us if or when we will get it. I mean really even phones released after ours have been verified to be getting it and yet we wait. I'm sry but I have bought my phones off contract and if I'm spending $850 plus for a device I don't want it to be obsolete the day I get it. Some people will argue that ics is not obsolete. But look how long its been out. And key lime pie is Otw. So we are almost 2 os's behind. And they get to select who gets upgrades and when? Didn't I pay them? If HTC don't pick it up I'm afraid my next phone will be the galaxy s4 anyone else feel this way or not chime in I wanna hear thoughts on this situation!
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I'm honestly not sure this has much to do with HTC. They intend on getting other One X variants JB at some time this month, which could be a positive sign for the EVO LTE, but it all lies in Sprint's hands, ultimately. That's who you should be pointing your finger at.
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Everyone says sprint sprint sprint but is it not the manufacturer's that say what device they wanna tweak the os for? Besides if it was sprint that was delaying it why would the s3 already be confirmed to be getting the jelly bean update? HTC says they don't know if they will be updating it. And Idt sprint would hurt their own pockets like that. 2 have 2 flagship phones on the latest os faster and far less problems they would/should be jizzin in their pants for that chance.
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I'm honestly not sure this has much to do with HTC. They intend on getting other One X variants JB at some time this month, which could be a positive sign for the EVO LTE, but it all lies in Sprint's hands, ultimately. That's who you should be pointing your finger at.
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Sprint can't work on getting updates out if HTC hasn't given them anything to work with. I point my finger at both of them. A phone that's behind in updates on a network that's behind can destroy what little patience people have left.
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I agree totally. With HTC's recent earnings miss, I don't see why they can't see their current "support model" isn't working. If it weren't for the dev's here, I'd be even more pissed. HTC needs to embrace the developers as opposed to working against them by not actively releasing updates for a product that they sold me on. I've stuck with HTC devices since my old HTC Mogul but I'm starting to feel the same way. HTC needs to get their **** together or they'll lose a community of people that have helped keep them relevant over the past 5-7 years.
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U hit the nail on the head! Totally agree 1000%
I payed more for my phone than I did my laptop or tablet. Yet they get updates damn near everyday. And if android is open source I should be ableto get the updates on anyphone that runs Android as long as the specs are up to par for free correct. Just like linux. So y do they get to choose what we get so they can make money. I mean we do it here. So y can't they. Lol sry just rantin clearin my chest.
Me and the wife love HTC but we both agreed that even though we dislike the build quality of Samsung it may be our next phone just because things get updated and fixed a lot more frequently. Besides our phones stay deep inside great looking cases so how much does build quality mean to us anyway.
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Sprint can't work on getting updates out if HTC hasn't given them anything to work with. I point my finger at both of them. A phone that's behind in updates on a network that's behind can destroy what little patience people have left.
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The update comes from HTC pending a request from Sprint. If Sprint doesn't request it, it will never come. Once Sprint receives it, they add all of their bloat and send it for testing. After that, you already know what happens.
Either way, I am hoping for an HTC Nexus device based on all these multi-OEM Nexus rumors.
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The update comes from HTC pending a request from Sprint. If Sprint doesn't request it, it will never come. Once Sprint receives it, they add all of their bloat and send it for testing. After that, you already know what happens.
Either way, I am hoping for an HTC Nexus device based on all these multi-OEM Nexus rumors.
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Point taken. Bottom line is that "we" the customer, gets screwed. I would find it hard to believe that HTC and Sprint both "don't know" what people want. HTC makes great phones and the developers help us love them. Developers maximize the potential of our devices but if they're not getting what they need, it's a moot point and I'll probably leave Sprint and HTC altogether when I'm due for an upgrade. I'm sure I'm not the only one either. Patience only goes so far.
Not to mention still can't have caller id tones since last update n they can't fix that. Bs and I don't wanna switch roms cuz something always never works in roms.
have to admit if it wasn't for custom roms and the hard work of devs here I would have tossed this phone by now.
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Having been an android owner for the last three years (and an evo owner for the last 2), I've gotten used to the slower updates. It's always been explained away by saying that first HTC has to produce an update, then Sprint has to tweak the update, before we ever get the OTA. I know it's not a solution to the problem presented in the OP, but has anyone noticed that we have fantastic devs for this phone? The roms, kernels, and tweaks are not only being produced on a daily basis, but are frequently updated and provided with fantastic support. I can live with slow manufacture and provider updates as long we continue to have great devs.
Yes, but in a different way. I will not be purchasing another HTC product ever due to their slow update roll outs as well as their locking of the boot loaders. While they finally relented and let people unlock their bootloaders through their website, their previous and current stance on the issue is unacceptable to me.
You got robbed if you paid $850 for the phone, lol.
Everyone always thinks the grass is greener someplace else. If you're not happy with sprint then go somewhere else.
But just know that the verizon Gnex, a Google phone, didn't get the JB update for 2 months after it was released on GSM phones.
Also I don't think KLP has been released yet.
Naters
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KLP isn't out yet. I never said i was leaving sprint just may leave HTC. for me sprint is the best deal besides pre-paid. if pre-paid got the hottest phones as well. I think the big 3 would be outta biz or would have to lower prices to compete. lol
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Everyone always thinks the grass is greener someplace else. If you're not happy with sprint then go somewhere else.
But just know that the verizon Gnex, a Google phone, didn't get the JB update for 2 months after it was released on GSM phones.
Also I don't think KLP has been released yet.
Naters
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myamex said:
You got robbed if you paid $850 for the phone, lol.
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not really that is what they run off contract. bout $800 plus tax
this phone will probably be the last HTC phone I purchase... unless they change their policy on source and start to release it to dev's faster... it seems like there is a lot more activity for the S3....
If I get another HTC device it will be a nexus. If they dont make a nexus device im not getting it. I love htc build quality, it feels like a real device in my hand, but the lack of updates really turns me off.
Sorry to hear you paid $850 for this mech.. got mine free without upgrading because the 3ds were on backorder when mine broke... and i got that free also...