1. are roms basically firmware upgrades?
2. how do you benefit from having an upgraded/updated rom?
3. i was reading for the Blackstone and Diamond roms you need to unlock your phone, how are the blackstone and diamond roms different to the HardSPL roms?
4. all my contacts/emails/appointments are synced though an exchange server, so i take it i dont need to back up? i dont have anything else installed on it.
5. also i noticed my phone is windows mobile 6.1 are these roms going to conflict with windows mobile 6.5 if i decide to upgrade?
thanks!
EDIT: after doing some reading i found these 2 links to 6.5+rom i think.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=517296
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=474406
now i have a sixth question: what are the differences between the KITCHEN and ENERGYROM versions? they look a little different but are there big changes on the backend?
Some things to understand:
* A ROM is a replacement firmware. The ones you'll find here are, by and large, custom-created ROMs. The people who "cook" (create) them are called "chefs."
* A kitchen isn't a ROM at all. It's an environment for creating one. The chefs use them, and a few very valuable members of this community provide the kitchens that are used as starting points by most chefs. Da_G's kitchen is frequently used; he's gone to some pains to make the cooking experience fairly straightforward for beginners, and there's lots of discussion in his thread about ways for more ambitious and knowledgeable chefs to enhance it.
* EnergyROM, which you mention, is one of the more popular ROMs here. The chef maintains a few different versions of it as well.
* In order to flash a non-official ROM, meaning anything created by a chef here, you'll need to first flash HARDSPL. The flash will fail otherwise.
* Most/all ROMs on this forum are for GSM Raphael-series phones -- Such as the AT&T Fuze and T-Mobile Touch Pro. Attempting to flash these ROMs on a CDMA phone, like the ones from Verizon and Sprint, won't work and could brick your phone.
* As far as benefit of a customized ROM -- depends on the ROM. Every chef does things differently. You'll have to read through forums and try various ROMs to decide what you'll like. In general, you'll benefit from speedier and more updated drivers and programs than you'll find in the stock ROMs. Also, many ROMs here are now using Windows Mobile 6.5, which isn't yet released formally to the public. Some chefs really work on the bleeding edge, and may be able to bring you new ultra-new enhancements, but at the risk of instability or incompatiblity. Beyond that, there can be a world of different from one ROM to another in configuration and included packages. Play around for a while.
* The wiki is a great source. It covers what I've said above, and much more. Please keep in mind that it's considered polite to search through the forums and read the wiki before asking questions. No one wants to clutter up the forum more than we need to.
DirtAddsHP said:
1. are roms basically firmware upgrades?
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In a way, yes. Picture your device has having multiple ROM regions, Bootloader (BIOS), Radio, Operating System.
You can apply changes (flash) to one, multiple, or all of these regions. Usually, ROM is often referred to as the Operating System & applications portion.
2. how do you benefit from having an upgraded/updated rom?
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It depends; for example, updating the Radio may improve your overall transmission/reception. Updating the Operating System/Application often improves the performance of your device.
Manufacturer (stock ROM's) will usually be relatively stable and more conservative. Custom ROM's will offer newer versions of applications but they may not be as stable - it depends on the skill of the chef preparing the ROM.
3. i was reading for the Blackstone and Diamond roms you need to unlock your phone, how are the blackstone and diamond roms different to the HardSPL roms?
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In most (if not all) cases, you will need to unlock your device. This usually involves applying the HardSPL package specific to your device. In some cases, it may be necessary for you to unlock your SIM.
When you become very experienced, you can go one step further and perform a full security unlock which will permit you to apply Radio stacks from different devices - this is very advanced and you need to ensure that you have done all due diligence before flashing a Radio from a different device.
4. all my contacts/emails/appointments are synced though an exchange server, so i take it i dont need to back up? i dont have anything else installed on it.
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Correct, you simply need to establish a profile in ActiveSync ... the rest should happen automagically. If you get into the addiction of flashing ROMs, it may be necessary for you to delete your existing ActiveSync profile.
5. also i noticed my phone is windows mobile 6.1 are these roms going to conflict with windows mobile 6.5 if i decide to upgrade?
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When you flash a ROM to your device, it will erase/overwrite the existing firmware code.
now i have a sixth question: what are the differences between the KITCHEN and ENERGYROM versions? they look a little different but are there big changes on the backend?
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A ROM is typically the end product that a kitchen produces. Chefs use the kitchen to prepare (cook) a ROM which is then made available here.
HTH,
sweet thanks guys, do they have a ROM bundle that will flash the radio and the OS? i take it the radio is gps/wifi/gsm/bluetooth?
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sweet thanks guys, do they have a ROM bundle that will flash the radio and the OS? i take it the radio is gps/wifi/gsm/bluetooth?
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Most stock shipped ROMs have the radio included but cooked ROMs do not. If you flash a cooked ROM you will still have the radio from your previous ROM unless you flash a new radio. The radio controlls your frequency GSM bands it has nothing to do with bluetooth or wifi.
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Most stock shipped ROMs have the radio included but cooked ROMs do not. If you flash a cooked ROM you will still have the radio from your previous ROM unless you flash a new radio. The radio controlls your frequency GSM bands it has nothing to do with bluetooth or wifi.
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is it suggested upgrading the radio rom? i have cingular if thats any help.. so bluetooth/wifi/gps dont need any upgrades? or at least not suggested?
DirtAddsHP said:
is it suggested upgrading the radio rom? i have cingular if thats any help.. so bluetooth/wifi/gps dont need any upgrades? or at least not suggested?
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In my own experience the ROM I have in my signature and the radio I have in my signature works flawlessly for me. The strength and functionality of your Radio will depend on your geographical location. In other words a Radio that works good for someone in New York may not work so well for someone in Georgia.
Here is a link that may prove to be helpful when choosing a radio and all the radios that are in this thread that have been rated can be flashed to your device without having to use security unlock prior to flashing. If you are with AT&T I would suggest that you give the radio and the ROM in my signature a try first. Then if you’re not satisfied with it you can just flash another one.
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It seems like if you choose to flash the radio that you may have better/worse performance than you currently have. I am happy with my radio performance but want to flash some of these fun roms.
If I choose to flash a rom how do you choose not to install the radio?
I keep searching but my search terms are short and it is confusing google.
I flashed my rom but not my radio. My buddy here also did the same.
jamespaulritter said:
I flashed my rom but not my radio. My buddy here also did the same.
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I could have told him that it was possible. What he want's to know is how. I remember seeing it somewhere in the WIKI or FAQ's but don't remember exactly where. I would post the link if I did. Sorry.
Thanks, Ill do some more searching. I think I recall having to remove a portion of the RUU or something. Ill go check it out.
Most of the ROMs I've seen do not include a radio (atleast the 2 I've used).
If you know your current radio version, you can always flash the new ROM, then flash your radio. There's a thread here that has all of the available radios you can download.
I have tried to do some searching for you, but really can't remember where I had read this. I do remember, that some ROM's have Radio's included, Some do not, Some have many apps included, Some are very light with very basic apps included. When you read up on a specific ROM for your device, the details of what is included is usually specified.
I think it's safe to say that over 99% of cooked ROMs are without radios. Every time you flash a radio ROM, it's an extra risk you're taking, and chefs always want to mitigate such risks.
I just got done flashing my first rom to my Fuze. I am stoked. Thanks for the help. This was far less painful than flashing my g3 and g4 wizards.
Hi guys,
I was wondering if anybody could recommend me a simple, clean stock-like custom ROM without unnecessary programs and things installed. The primary reason for me wanting to flash to a custom ROM is for the considerable performance gain I keep reading about.
I have an Australian-bought unbranded HTC Touch Pro (raph100).
Thanks in advance,
Tim
timolol said:
Hi guys,
I was wondering if anybody could recommend me a simple, clean stock-like custom ROM without unnecessary programs and things installed. The primary reason for me wanting to flash to a custom ROM is for the considerable performance gain I keep reading about.
I have an Australian-bought unbranded HTC Touch Pro (raph100).
Thanks in advance,
Tim
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Tim,
Since this will be closed very quickly by mods....read in this section for a lite roms...the cooks put in the heading if they make lite Roms. Click on the rom and read the first few pages and it will tell you what is included in it...some examples are Da G and NATF's. No one knows what "unnecessary programs and things installed" is because it is different for each person.
I would go with this one. Actually, I am. It has ZERO bloatware in it and is very fast.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441109
I use the Optus stock ROM w/ 1.08.25.20M1 Radio. It's fantastic...
ROM link: http://210.64.124.194/download/RUU_...d_Raphael_CRC_52.33.25.17_1.02.25.19_Ship.exe
-Mc
Thanks for the suggestions guys. The Optus stock ROM is actually the one that came with my device originally since this is an Australian TP. If you don't think that any considerable performance gain can be had by installing a cooked ROM then I may as well stick with this. Thanks anyway
Tim
(PS. I'm new here, so I don't quite understand why this thread will be quickly closed by mods... sorry
You can flash any rom you want since most don't include a radio.
I use Da_G's Roms because they don't include ANYTHING. The ROM is a very basic WM6.1 rom with all of the latest drivers for the best performance. All programs outside of the standard windows apps are separate downloads which can be installed as you see fit.
This is nice because you get to see what a BASIC Windows Mobile environment is and what the phone runs like without all the extra HTC extras. It also gives a very good starting point to customize the phone the way YOU want.
The good thing is that because YOU install all the extras manually... you can also uninstall them in the event a newer version comes out.
There are other good ROMs too... but most come with a "standard" set of programs, most of which I don't ever use or want. I like Da_G's because I can be in control of what is on my phone.
My 2 cents.
timolol said:
(PS. I'm new here, so I don't quite understand why this thread will be quickly closed by mods... sorry
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so? new or not, it would make sense to read the wiki first. i think they even put sometihng in to tell u to read the wiki after signing up (though i'm not 100% about that), but either way, you should try doign some reading before posting. it can seem liek a lot to read, but if u want to make improvements to ur phoen, then take some time to invest in it.
Hey guys !
I've been around here for many years but have allways been using Windows Mobile phones. I've had a Hero for about a year and i must say that i am very pleased with it. It works so damn good ! I've been flashing roms on windows mobile phones and even created roms my self.
However this Android / Linux world is so new to me that i have no idea what i need to do in order to simply flash a rom on my Hero!
What i get is that i need to root my device. There are some few guides for this in the wiki but i still do not know if my Hero is a Virgin og a Telus. How can i see this?
Also i see a lot of Linux based talk and commands (i presume) that i do not understand anything of. Do we have any desciption of the most common used commands and such stuff so new people like me can get a better understanding of what you guys are actually talking about?
When i learn all this i will edit the wiki with the information. And as i am new it is easier for me to fill in what is missing if you understand
.. And yes i have searched!
Da9L said:
Hey guys !
I've been around here for many years but have allways been using Windows Mobile phones. I've had a Hero for about a year and i must say that i am very pleased with it. It works so damn good ! I've been flashing roms on windows mobile phones and even created roms my self.
However this Android / Linux world is so new to me that i have no idea what i need to do in order to simply flash a rom on my Hero!
What i get is that i need to root my device. There are some few guides for this in the wiki but i still do not know if my Hero is a Virgin og a Telus. How can i see this?
Also i see a lot of Linux based talk and commands (i presume) that i do not understand anything of. Do we have any desciption of the most common used commands and such stuff so new people like me can get a better understanding of what you guys are actually talking about?
When i learn all this i will edit the wiki with the information. And as i am new it is easier for me to fill in what is missing if you understand
.. And yes i have searched!
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Theunlockr.com is an excellent source of information on rooting/flashing your Hero.
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Theunlockr.com is an excellent source of information on rooting/flashing your Hero.
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Seconded.
And when you're unlocked, check out Villain and Vanillain ROM's (check out previous post), definitely two of the best
if you want to know if your phone is rooted download and install "Super user" and run it,you will then know if your phone is rooted or not.
I,like you,was a WM user and found android to be more complicated,but in fact it´s not...once you root your phone and install Amon-RA recovery ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4549551&postcount=1 ) its much easier and simple to do things.
theres a sticky in this sub-forum with wiki-guides,read it!
Branwen said:
Seconded.
And when you're unlocked, check out Villain and Vanillain ROM's (check out previous post), definitely two of the best
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True used a lot those roms.
Waiting patiently for a Vanillain rom based in eris dump.
Right now im still using AychTeeSee's just to be able to use the Buuf Theme
I'm in the exact same situation as Da9L . Could you please let me know if flashing a new ROM will also change the Firmware version?
Currently my firmware is 1.5. I've seen on a friend's G1 the voice search widget and I'm dying to get that on my device. From what I've been told, i need to get a newer firmware, but I've got no idea on how to do this.
Any help would be appreciated ^_^
Some questions:
So the short line of the process of flashing a custom rom is when using unbranded htc hero:
1. Downgrade my software to 1.76, as iam using the newest
2. Root the device acording to _this_ guide
3. Perform a backup
4. Flash the custom rom as i flash a stock rom?
Is that it? It leads me to some more questions
What is this "recovery image" and is there any reason to flash a new one?
And why is there any reason to change this at all ?
How do i get danish xt9 for sms?
And please i have a feeling that i am getting this wrong.. Can you please explain to me the procedure of doing all this ?
Is there any benefit by flashing a rom?
I mean the stock rom actually runs pretty good and is stable. A custom rom is likely to be a little more unstable than a stock rom, but often give you more speed and newer features. This is when we are talking Windows Mobile, but is it the same here? What are the pros and cons by flashing a custom rom over the stock rom?
Da9L said:
Is there any benefit by flashing a rom?
I mean the stock rom actually runs pretty good and is stable. A custom rom is likely to be a little more unstable than a stock rom, but often give you more speed and newer features. This is when we are talking Windows Mobile, but is it the same here? What are the pros and cons by flashing a custom rom over the stock rom?
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It varies depending on the ROM tbh. It's a bit like the high-tech version of 'how long's a piece of string'?
Really, you're likely to get improved performance, root permissions, user interface tweaks, different versions of applications that are better than the default ones, maybe a custom kernel (if it's a 1.5 release you're looking at).
The custom kernels can have better performance due to optimisations in them. Not sure how much of this is like winmo (never had a winmo phone, all I know is that you are able to install alternative ROMs on them), but with android the core OS is open source, so you get more performance boosts under the hood.
Anyone able to add to that?
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It varies depending on the ROM tbh. It's a bit like the high-tech version of 'how long's a piece of string'?
Really, you're likely to get improved performance, root permissions, user interface tweaks, different versions of applications that are better than the default ones, maybe a custom kernel (if it's a 1.5 release you're looking at).
The custom kernels can have better performance due to optimisations in them. Not sure how much of this is like winmo (never had a winmo phone, all I know is that you are able to install alternative ROMs on them), but with android the core OS is open source, so you get more performance boosts under the hood.
Anyone able to add to that?
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That sounds great. However, since this is so new to me i do not know what new tweaks and apps i will be able to use and get if you follow me? When i have flashed a new custom rom, propably android 2.1, i do not know what new things it has and therefore where and how to use these new functions. And does the real advantage in a custom rom also get to a normal user or is the advantages more directed at the developers or?
Hi Guys,
im a pretty techy guy (programmer myself) but know little about phone software and linux. I recently installed a custom rom. And throughout the reading process to root and flash roms the word "Radios" came up a fair amount of times without any real explaination about them
Can someone tell me more about them. Are they a Kernal for linux that sits below the O/S? Or is it more to do with a form of bios?
Are radios shared across different phones or just specifc to one device?
Is there different radios or simply updated ones? and if updated is it best to always go for the more recent?
Thanks guys
Radios as far as I am aware contain the modem software for your phone, they are device dependent, although technically if two different devices had the same chipset you may be able re-program it if you had the knowledge. They updated to fix signal issues GPS issues etc
so the best thing is to have the most up to date from this (link removed due to being new member but its a link to the radios thread) thread?
and how is it updated? flash it like u do with a rom?
Please for HTC's sake,your own health and other members stress levels MAKE SURE ITS FOR YOUR VERSION OF HERO for example use CDMA if you own CDMA, GSM for GSM otherwise you will end up with a Hero brick and will therefoe be starting a post called somthing like PLEASE HELP I THINK I BRICKED MY HERO!
Flash through recovery if its update.zip and through fastboot for radio.img
Hello everybody, I am new in matter of Smarth Phones and more even, on HTC one's...
I have a HTC HD2 T-Mobile
Qualcomm 8250B 1ghz procesador
576 RAM
1024 Flash Memory Size
687.12 MB Storage Size
16 GB Micro SD memory
OS vrsion 5.2.219.13 (21913.5.0.94)
Manila version: 2.5.20181424.0
ROM version: 3.14.531.1 (04666) WWE
Radio Version: 2.15.50.14
Protocol Version: 15.42.50.11U
I want to know 4 things:
What is the ¨Radio¨ thing, as I said, I am new in this so I want to know what it is and what is it about, cause I hear people talking about fixing their bugs and freezes by changing it.... explanation?
What changes when changing the Radio? when you change it, it comes side by side with the ROM? or they are changed separatly...? (sorry about my english)
Can install ROMS for HTC HD2 normal version to a HTC HD2 T-Mobile version? without having problems?
And the last one.... I understand that the ROM is not the OS, since it is Win 6.5.... but.... what it is exactly then?... and can someone tell me about the MOST ESTABLE ROM available for my HTC HD2 T-Mobile? Doesn't matter if it's unofficial ROM, at least that it works fine and better than the original one that freezes a lot...?
PS. : I'm pretty good at computers (I like to think so...XD) and I learn fast, so please feel free to explain me how ever you can and I'll do my best to understand it. thnx!
Read sticky FAQ. All your questions are answered there
Hi Emilio,
Let me try to answer your questions - someone correct me if I'm wrong... this is what I've understood from browsing the forums for a half a year now...
The radio in your phone is what controls all wireless access, such as wifi and cell reception. Different radios have different battery life/better reception depending on the cellphone - I haven't seen anyone come out and say one is the best although I have been using 2.15 for quite some time now and it's pretty good. Just remember your radio has to be 2.xx.50 because of your type of phone (T-Mobile/TMOUS) or else you will brick your phone (it wont work).
Some ROMs change your radio when you flash - although I haven't come across any custom ROMs that do. In any case, any time you flash make sure the ROM says TMOUS or T-mobile supported! Also, before you flash you need HSPL (search the forums to find out what it is and how to use it).
The ROMs the the awesome chefs here make are usually based on WM 6.5 or 6.5.x - but you dont have to worry about it. For all purposes its Windows Mobile 6.5.x or 6.5 and all windows programs work, etc.
Which ROM is best? That's a long argument. I've been using Energy Roms for quite some time now - every time I flash I always make my way back to Energy in the end. Just go through the ROM section - most ROMs are good (actually so far I haven't come across a bad one) and they are almost all much more stable and smoother. Just remember to make sure it's TMOUS compatible.
Flashing HSPL, Radios, and ROMs are in the forum and perfectly well explained... just search and you'll see.
thank you man!
salonluden said:
Hi Emilio,
Let me try to answer your questions - someone correct me if I'm wrong... this is what I've understood from browsing the forums for a half a year now...
The radio in your phone is what controls all wireless access, such as wifi and cell reception. Different radios have different battery life/better reception depending on the cellphone - I haven't seen anyone come out and say one is the best although I have been using 2.15 for quite some time now and it's pretty good. Just remember your radio has to be 2.xx.50 because of your type of phone (T-Mobile/TMOUS) or else you will brick your phone (it wont work).
Some ROMs change your radio when you flash - although I haven't come across any custom ROMs that do. In any case, any time you flash make sure the ROM says TMOUS or T-mobile supported! Also, before you flash you need HSPL (search the forums to find out what it is and how to use it).
thnk you very much!... oh... so, Energy ROMS are estable enough to change ?
The ROMs the the awesome chefs here make are usually based on WM 6.5 or 6.5.x - but you dont have to worry about it. For all purposes its Windows Mobile 6.5.x or 6.5 and all windows programs work, etc.
Which ROM is best? That's a long argument. I've been using Energy Roms for quite some time now - every time I flash I always make my way back to Energy in the end. Just go through the ROM section - most ROMs are good (actually so far I haven't come across a bad one) and they are almost all much more stable and smoother. Just remember to make sure it's TMOUS compatible.
Flashing HSPL, Radios, and ROMs are in the forum and perfectly well explained... just search and you'll see.
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thnx! a lot!
one thing missed in the otherwise comprehensive answer above...
you have 3.14 rom, so as it stands hspl cannot be installed so cooked roms and radios cannot be installed.
should you want to try the cooked roms you would first flash the stock tmous 2.10 rom, which willdowngrade your spl and hspl3 will work.
oh! so I have to get to my old rom first after changing to the Energy ROMS?
yep. there are 3.14 based cooked roms coming out but not many, most are 2.x based so require the downgrade.
you don't have to wait for the flash to completely set up and running before you flash the cooked rom, as soon as the flash finishes, and windows begins to set up, pop the battery and enter bootloader, apply hspl, enter bootloader again and flash the rom.