So I am new to this scene, but I am doing a lot of reading and in the past two weeks I have learned a lot and done a little. I did the SIM&CID unlock and installed Hardspl, and I know that when trying new roms out it is advised to flash a stock carrier rom inbetween. For me this would be the AT&T 6 rom, but this raises some questions:
Will the radio rom revert to the AT&T rom, thus requiring a flash it back?
Are the other changes i made by unlocking going to stay in place?
Will I need to redo Hardspl again in the future, and does it change the way I flash my roms, or does it automatically protect me when i do a 'normal' flash?
Dane
You can flash the stripped AT&T ROM, the radio part is removed. Your radio version will not change then.
SIM&CID Unlock and HardSPL will not be overwritten when flashing a ROM.
Link to stripped ROM: http://www.4shared.com/file/61372397/e2bf76c0/official_ATT_WM6_striped.html
Alright, thank you. Do most of the current cooked firmware downloads that are publicly released include a universal (not carrier-specific) radio rom, if it has one at all? Are there any different options when it comes to radio roms that still maintain the ability for the phone to be used with different carrier networks? Ive had pretty poor reception since unlocking it.
Most cooked roms, if not all, DON'T have a radio rom installed.
The reason you've had **** reception is because when you ran the unlocker it downgraded your radio to 1.16.xx. You need to find out what your old radio was or what is a good radio for your carrier.
Use the sd card method to upgrade your radio rom or chance bricking your Hermes... You have been warned...
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I am a newbie of my Dopod 838Pro (Hong Kong Traditional Chinese Version) with
Rom: 1.23.708.4
Radio: 1.06.00.10
Protocol: 32.37.7010.01H
(originally it was 32.34.7010.01W, it was upgraded by a exe patch provided by the Hong Kong Vendor)
SPL: 1.04
Since I am not very satisfactory to its data connection stability, I would like to have an upgrade to the Radio rom.
I have read some resources over the internet including the post in this forum. However, I am not familiar with modification of a PDA phone and I would like to maintain the warranty provided by the vendor, I would like to upgrade my phone in a safe way with least procedures.
All in all, I would like to ask the following questions to clarify my concept before the upgrade.
1. Is Radio Rom 1.27 a good choice, is it better than 1.06? is there any other version better than 1.27 in terms of network connection stability?
2. Is there any change to the OS (especially the language) when I upgrade the radio rom?
3. Do I need to uninstall the protocol update patch before the radio upgrade?
4. Is there any change to the SPL bootloader version if I use the extracted rom in this forum?
5. Do I need to do other upgrades to suit the radio rom upgrade?
6. Will I void the warranty if I upgrade the radio rom?
Thank you very much !!
1. Don't know about HK stability
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. No
6. Possibly, but they would never know unless you tell them.
You may want to do some reading in the wiki and the upgrading threads for some information about bootloaders. You may want to update your bootloader before doing any RUU updates.
Please look here and here about upgrading radio ROMs. Using Hard SPL is recommended to prevent bricking of the device. Advantages and issues connected with radios are discussed on their respective threads. Good luck flashing!
as you mentioned, may I know what is
"brick" and "Hard SPL"
Brick = dead phone (or at least dead radio)
HardSPL = customized bootloader
Bricking a device means to get it in unusable state (party or fully). More on this topic here and here. Hard SPL is custom bootloader made by Olipro with aim to prevent some kinds of bricking (in the first link you can see description of the brick types). Mrvanx has written a user friendly guide on upgrading, you can find it here. Safe flashing!
@KarhU: Sorry - I should have let you answer your own question. Heh
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Bricking a device means to get it in unusable state (party or fully). More on this topic here and here. Hard SPL is custom bootloader made by Olipro with aim to prevent some kinds of bricking (in the first link you can see description of the brick types). Mrvanx has written a user friendly guide on upgrading, you can find it here. Safe flashing!
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thank you very much.
Concerning some of your other questions. Radio ROM can be downgraded if there is a need to do so. However some of the newer upgrades (starting with 32.66.7020.10H) have a newer HTC_boot bootloader (1,08) that can not be downgraded even if the radio itself can be downgraded. 1.27 is safe in that manner. If you decide to flash Olipro's bootloader you will have to downgrade it to your default bootloader before claiming any warranty repairs.
I started with 1.06 too and switched to 1.27 later - I noticed increased sensitivity of the GSM reception (five bars where I only got three before). Read what other said in its thread. Many people claim that it is the best radio ROM to date.
And one last thing - Radio ROMs only affect GSM/HSDPA/GPRS /UMTS reception NOT the Bluetooth or Wifi reception (Bluetooth and Wifi stacks are part of the OS, not the radio ROM).
KarhU said:
Concerning some of your other questions. Radio ROM can be downgraded if there is a need to do so. However some of the newer upgrades (starting with 32.66.7020.10H) have a newer HTC_boot bootloader (1,08) that can not be downgraded even if the radio itself can be downgraded. 1.27 is safe in that manner. If you decide to flash Olipro's bootloader you will have to downgrade it to your default bootloader before claiming any warranty repairs.
I started with 1.06 too and switched to 1.27 later - I noticed increased sensitivity of the GSM reception (five bars where I only got three before). Read what other said in its thread. Many people claim that it is the best radio ROM to date.
And one last thing - Radio ROMs only affect GSM/HSDPA/GPRS /UMTS reception NOT the Bluetooth or Wifi reception (Bluetooth and Wifi stacks are part of the OS, not the radio ROM).
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some more questions,
1. regarding to some other posts in the forum, radio rom 1.27 seems to have a greater power drain, is it true?
2. I am using an UMTS network in HK (UMTS CSL 1010), I noticed that the reception of UMTS is not good enough that leaded to a frequent switching between EDGE and UMTS and sometimes dropped my calls. When I was using the EDGE network with Prophet, I didn't encounter any problem. Will upgrade help this problem?
3. regarding the threat you gave me before, when I flash the radio rom, whether the "correct" error message shows before flashing or after the flashing?
I'll probably go to hell for asking this here -- but out of curiousity:
I have htc tytn version (non branded). Which I have constant problems with signal where other phones work on the Cingular network. Even my old h6315 works better in these areas. I've gotten to the point of using a typical bar phone that I got for $10 when i'm in this area. Swapping the sim card each time.
This is getting old -- FAST. I upgraded to radio 1.38.00.10 which one of you fine fine masterminds posted (please forgive me -- the poster escapes me -- Shogunmark? included Olipro's bit in there too..). Helped a bit -- but not by much.
ANYWAYS -- question is, if I put the Cingular branded radio and/or ROM will my reception improve?
hi, i just got the XV6800 from verizon today because my Moto Q9m died after only 7 months. so they gave me this for it. now after reading the forum and many other sites and tutorials. i am ready to flash my phone. is this the easiest "[Tutorial] Verizon xv6800 Custom ROM Flashing" to follow? i read it and it didn't seem that bad. just wanted to know and make sure if the names of the files he speaks of are the most recent one's. and i take it i should back up my factory setting file off the phone before i attempt to do this. a few of my friends at work has this phone and i liked the fact they have it doing somethings the iphone does. like you can scroll through contacts by just sliding your finger and all. i would like to do this stuff as well. is that all then included in the flash or must i install other apps.
Phone has
Software Version: 2.09.605.8 (ROM version)
Firmware Version: 1.30.60 (radio version)
please help, really appreciate it
thanks
His guide is pretty good. Everything is up to date except for the SPL. I would recommend using the latest bootloader put out by No2Chem - version 2.47, but that's my only change from his guide. It installs via an SD card only, whereas his guide uses the computer to get Olipro's 2.4. You should be able to find a guide to using SD cards to flash as well as links to 2.47 throughout this forum and ppcgeeks.
Or you can certainly follow his guide as written and you'll be just fine.
Ivan
Keep in mind that using No2chems SPL you cannot go back to stock Verizon radio and ROM..... So if your phone breaks, you have to bring it in as is and chance they don't notice the difference.....
ok on the fact that once you go new flash you can't go back to factory. so before i do this i should back up my contacts. since the phone is new i don't have anything else on it. is there anything else i should back up either? so after its flashed then how do i get the programs on to scroll by just sliding? is that stuff that can be put on with out flashing this. but from what i read on here flash makes the phone run much better anyway
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Keep in mind that using No2chems SPL you cannot go back to stock Verizon radio and ROM..... So if your phone breaks, you have to bring it in as is and chance they don't notice the difference.....
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You can flash the old bootloader back on the phone after upgrading to 2.47 though then go back to the original ROM and radio, you just cant flash provider ROM from 2.47 just like you cannot from 2.40.
Am I missing something about what you are saying?
so i can flash to newer rom and be able to go back.. now i'm confused
if you i install themes must it be a new roM
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You can flash the old bootloader back on the phone after upgrading to 2.47 though then go back to the original ROM and radio, you just cant flash provider ROM from 2.47 just like you cannot from 2.40.
Am I missing something about what you are saying?
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I'm pretty sure he's simply saying: if you use No2Chem's 2.47, you can't directly flash back to Verizon's stock firmware, but if you flash back to the old bootloader (factory bootloader), you can.
and LilSnoop40, as far as I know, all of those files are the most up-to-date that I could find. I may update the guide because I am noticing (from other people's experience) that after the 3.42.02 firmware (which I flashed to, not 3.42.30), that you need to use a Low-density MicroSD (not MicroSDHC) card to flash on the new radios.
If you need help with any of this in more detail, feel free to contact me.
serfboreds said:
You can flash the old bootloader back on the phone after upgrading to 2.47 though then go back to the original ROM and radio, you just cant flash provider ROM from 2.47 just like you cannot from 2.40.
Am I missing something about what you are saying?
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serfs - As I understand it, once you flash to No2chems SPL, you cannot go back to a non GPS rom. I asked this in his thread and it was confirmed. Now, they didn't say whether you could flash Olli Pro and then use his re-locker and then flash the stock ROM.... Look at this post....
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=30561&page=4
I saw something here about this from azclown and really want to know if it is true.
After flashing nueSPL is it possible to downgrade to other bootloaders?
I tried to run unlocker (Olipro 1.20) and it wouldn't connect right. Do I need to use relocker then load 1.20 then load stock rom. I am testing this out for another phone right now and am a little curious why this would be created so that no other bootloaders could be reloaded.
What I am realizing is that this bootloader is not such a good idea for Verizon users, being that they will not be able to revert to the stock rom (as Verizon has not released a GPS Rom yet).
Am I right here?
serfboreds said:
I saw something here about this from azclown and really want to know if it is true.
After flashing nueSPL is it possible to downgrade to other bootloaders?
I tried to run unlocker (Olipro 1.20) and it wouldn't connect right. Do I need to use relocker then load 1.20 then load stock rom. I am testing this out for another phone right now and am a little curious why this would be created so that no other bootloaders could be reloaded.
What I am realizing is that this bootloader is not such a good idea for Verizon users, being that they will not be able to revert to the stock rom (as Verizon has not released a GPS Rom yet).
Am I right here?
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um, DO NOT attempt to DOWNGRADE your SPL unless you want a permanent brick.
reasoning:
ALL ATTEMPTS whatsoever to downgrade the radio to a pre-GPS radio have F-A-I-L-E-D. They have all resulted in BROKEN BRICKED IRREPARABLE devices.
1.xx SPLS are not (at least that i'm aware of, compatible with GPS radios)
therefore, you cannot downgrade your radio to 1.xx.
You can downgrade to olipro-2.40, but thats pretty much it. Unless your device is SuperCID, i would NOT ADVISE locking your device, because you will only be able to download updates signed by VZW, and as we all know - there are none.
If warranty is a concern,... it would be better to turn in a complete brick than a partial brick. flash a modified VZW OS Only with proper OEMDRIVERS, then run my relocker and lock the SPL down, then warranty it. /... I wouldn't suggest this for anything else, because in case of a bad OS flash, you'd be pretty screwed...
Thanks for chiming in on this no2chem, there's a lot of good information in that post!
no2chem said:
um, DO NOT attempt to DOWNGRADE your SPL unless you want a permanent brick.
reasoning:
ALL ATTEMPTS whatsoever to downgrade the radio to a pre-GPS radio have F-A-I-L-E-D. They have all resulted in BROKEN BRICKED IRREPARABLE devices.
1.xx SPLS are not (at least that i'm aware of, compatible with GPS radios)
therefore, you cannot downgrade your radio to 1.xx.
You can downgrade to olipro-2.40, but thats pretty much it. Unless your device is SuperCID, i would NOT ADVISE locking your device, because you will only be able to download updates signed by VZW, and as we all know - there are none.
If warranty is a concern,... it would be better to turn in a complete brick than a partial brick. flash a modified VZW OS Only with proper OEMDRIVERS, then run my relocker and lock the SPL down, then warranty it. /... I wouldn't suggest this for anything else, because in case of a bad OS flash, you'd be pretty screwed...
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True, I see your point about returning a complete brick. The rest is fine I guess.
Thanks!
no2chem said:
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ALL ATTEMPTS whatsoever to downgrade the radio to a pre-GPS radio have F-A-I-L-E-D. They have all resulted in BROKEN BRICKED IRREPARABLE devices.
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now, by that do you mean they werere were bricked by downgrading the radio with nueSPL previously (or currently) loaded on the device, or downgrading the radio on a device that never had nueSPL loaded on it?
the only reason i ask this is because ive done several radio downgrades from olipro 2.4 to 1.2 to the stock radio/ROMs for refurbishment and ive never had a problem. i dont use the stock SPL because theres no tech around here smart enough to check it.
no2chem said:
um, DO NOT attempt to DOWNGRADE your SPL unless you want a permanent brick.
reasoning:
ALL ATTEMPTS whatsoever to downgrade the radio to a pre-GPS radio have F-A-I-L-E-D. They have all resulted in BROKEN BRICKED IRREPARABLE devices.
1.xx SPLS are not (at least that i'm aware of, compatible with GPS radios)
therefore, you cannot downgrade your radio to 1.xx.
You can downgrade to olipro-2.40, but thats pretty much it. Unless your device is SuperCID, i would NOT ADVISE locking your device, because you will only be able to download updates signed by VZW, and as we all know - there are none.
If warranty is a concern,... it would be better to turn in a complete brick than a partial brick. flash a modified VZW OS Only with proper OEMDRIVERS, then run my relocker and lock the SPL down, then warranty it. /... I wouldn't suggest this for anything else, because in case of a bad OS flash, you'd be pretty screwed...
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No2chem.. I think I am an exception or my XV6800 must be special because I actually messed up my phone because i wanted the new Radio 3.42.02 but couldn't get my Phone to Flash From SD.. So I had to flash a sprint 3.56 ROM to get the Radio and then flashed Verizon kitchen before Sprint customization started.. but for some weird reason.. Sprint customization still ran after i flash the Verizon ROM.. My EPST Settings were all Sprint.. lols..
These are the steps I took to bring it back..
1. Ran Titan_Relocker to relock SPL from version 2.40 Olipro
2. Flashed Stock Verizon ROM and let Verizon Customization run
3. Unlock using NueSPL2.47 letting it format my SD card to enable Flashing from SD [Thank GOD you added this feature]
4. Placed the new Radio 3.42.30 onto my SD card and enter Bootloader and Flashed it [Thanks to You]
5. then flashed my Verizon kitchen.. All with no problem..
I've discussed this method with some of the guys over at PPCKitchen.org and they were concerned about me bricking my phone.. but I said oh what the heck.. my phone is already messed up..
every one was supprised that it worked.. lol.. I must be one of the lucky few..
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No2chem.. I think I am an exception or my XV6800 must be special because I actually messed up my phone because i wanted the new Radio 3.42.02 but couldn't get my Phone to Flash From SD.. So I had to flash a sprint 3.56 ROM to get the Radio and then flashed Verizon kitchen before Sprint customization started.. but for some weird reason.. Sprint customization still ran after i flash the Verizon ROM.. My EPST Settings were all Sprint.. lols..
These are the steps I took to bring it back..
1. Ran Titan_Relocker to relock SPL from version 2.40 Olipro
2. Flashed Stock Verizon ROM and let Verizon Customization run
3. Unlock using NueSPL2.47 letting it format my SD card to enable Flashing from SD [Thank GOD you added this feature]
4. Placed the new Radio 3.42.30 onto my SD card and enter Bootloader and Flashed it [Thanks to You]
5. then flashed my Verizon kitchen.. All with no problem..
I've discussed this method with some of the guys over at PPCKitchen.org and they were concerned about me bricking my phone.. but I said oh what the heck.. my phone is already messed up..
every one was supprised that it worked.. lol.. I must be one of the lucky few..
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weird. what were you running before step 1?
the problem seems to manifest itself when you take a GPS radio, and flash a 2.xx RADIO onto it. When you flashed the verizon stock rom, are you sure you had the 2.xx radio on it?
the reason everyone was concerned about your phone though, was because there were several bricks produced by downgrading radios - ask ImCokeMan, he'll tell you..
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weird. what were you running before step 1?
the problem seems to manifest itself when you take a GPS radio, and flash a 2.xx RADIO onto it. When you flashed the verizon stock rom, are you sure you had the 2.xx radio on it?
the reason everyone was concerned about your phone though, was because there were several bricks produced by downgrading radios - ask ImCokeMan, he'll tell you..
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I didn't quite understand your question..
"When you flashed the verizon stock rom, are you sure you had the 2.xx radio on it?"
When I ran Titan_Relocker.. it installed version 1.06..
Before the Sprint radio upgrade I had...
Hard SPL2.40 Olipro
Radio 3.39.10
No2chem wm6.1 5067 Kitchen
I have also went from a GPS radio to the stock verizon radio/rom a few times because of accidentally letting sprint customizations run.
i am not 100% sure if i had the stock radio on my phone. however it worked with stock verizon rom and phone/ data/ text all worked in stock verizon rom/radio.... so i assume it was the correct radio since it worked with the stock rom...?
EDIT: i do believe i had verizon 1.3 radio on my phone after flashing back from a GPS radio
also i remember reading somewhere that if you do flash back to a stock radio/ rom that it might say stock radio but it will still have components of the gps radio's... i think i read it at ppcgeeks
aguas said:
ive done several radio downgrades from olipro 2.4 to 1.2 to the stock radio/ROMs for refurbishment and ive never had a problem. i dont use the stock SPL because theres no tech around here smart enough to check it.
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i also have downgraded radio from 3.xx to 1.xx without any problems.
I flashed back to non gps as well. I was having bad experiences with dcd's 2.x so I went to his 1.7. No issues flashing at all.
I have also downgraded to 2 different phones from GPS radios to NON-GPS radios.... Verizons stock radio is 1.30, not a 2.x radio, so that may be the issue for some other folks on different carriers.... It may be an incompatibility with 2.x radios and GPS radios.... I have a folder on my desktop that has all the files necessary AND the instructions clearly written out on how to downgrade..... It has saved my butt 2 times now....
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I have also downgraded to 2 different phones from GPS radios to NON-GPS radios.... Verizons stock radio is 1.30, not a 2.x radio, so that may be the issue for some other folks on different carriers.... It may be an incompatibility with 2.x radios and GPS radios.... I have a folder on my desktop that has all the files necessary AND the instructions clearly written out on how to downgrade..... It has saved my butt 2 times now....
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hmm, it might actually be an issue with 2.X radios. I'll do a little bit of research on this one.
no2chem said:
hmm, it might actually be an issue with 2.X radios. I'll do a little bit of research on this one.
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the radio i downgraded to was 1.59
no2chem said:
um, DO NOT attempt to DOWNGRADE your SPL unless you want a permanent brick.
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Ya I used to switch from gps to nongps all the time back when the original leaked radio was the only one out... I also converted my last phone (sent in for broken button) back to complete stock vzw (locked and all) as well....
I haven't tried doing any downgrading after installing nueSPL though... are you indicating this is a probelm after flashing nueSPL? Your post has me a 'lil scared now but I'll wait for followups before I attempt anything.. no plans to go back to nongps anyways, though... the new radios seem to have the bugs worked out.
Zenoran said:
Ya I used to switch from gps to nongps all the time back when the original leaked radio was the only one out... I also converted my last phone (sent in for broken button) back to complete stock vzw (locked and all) as well....
I haven't tried doing any downgrading after installing nueSPL though... are you indicating this is a probelm after flashing nueSPL? Your post has me a 'lil scared now but I'll wait for followups before I attempt anything.. no plans to go back to nongps anyways, though... the new radios seem to have the bugs worked out.
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Only No2chem knows for sure, but after reading his post again I think he's saying you can downgrade to Ollipro 2.4, if thats the case then one should be able to downgrade back to stock as well....
I think no2 is onto something here. I am on VZW also and have gone back to stock from a 3.xx gps radio --> stock 1.30 radio.
I have a feeling that for once we may be glad that verizon never does any updates - they still use 1.30 radio - and that may be the common thread in all our (vzw) success at going back to non gps.
I'd say that I was onto this before him.... He just knows how to verify it...
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I'd say that I was onto this before him.... He just knows how to verify it...
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and i would agree with you!
Speaking of the man himself ^^^^ .. I would note that you had all the data, I just thought it was odd that anyone who tried to go back to a 2.X radio would brick it, while us verizon folks would go back to 1.X and have no issues....
Hi guys,
I´ve read a lot of posts here at xda.
But i have few questions before i try to upgrade.
First of all, my RADIO version is not listed anywhere here. It is 1.58.21.26. So if i SuperCid it, is there a problem to put another radio version?
2 - If i install another ROM(original or cooked), is there a way to go back to the default rom that it´s in my phone? even after i installed other radio version?
3- supercid, hardspl, sspl or uspl? wich one is better or keeps my original rom and radio??
Thanks!!!!
1. If you CID, and use HardSPL (1.22 latest i believe) you should have no problems flashing new Radios or ROM's.
2. When you flash a new ROM your current one is over written (after you have flashed it you have to set up the OS again - all data stored in phone memory will be lost).
3. They are all different Things. HardSPL permanently updates the SPL on your phone allowing you to flash a new ROM when ever with bricking your phone. SSPL (SoftSPL) allows you to flash a new ROM (or radio, or hspl) 1 time then returns to the normal SPL. uspl, I'm not sure about I have never used it before. and CID unlocks the device to all networks and allows you to flash any ROM (rather than just ones from your carrier or official HTC ones. NONE of these will preserve your ROM if you flash a new one. however if you just flash these bits they should not effect windows or your radio.
DO NOT put a new ROM on your phone until you have unlocked it and put HardSPL or SoftSPL on it. If your brick your phone its near impossible to get it working again!
Questions before proceeding.
My HTC NIKI100 was unlocked for any carrier through the IMEI code, it also has the original radio 1.58.21.26. Perform the installation process of HARDSPL 1:22 as the tutorial here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355730 and got success! now I can put a new radio or need to do the procedures as SuperCID here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395945 ???
Hey everyone
Just had a couple of questions about radio roms:
1. Just wondering what's the point of upgrading my radio rom?
2. Is there a page where the radio rom version changes (upgrades/downgrades) are shown?
3. I tried to upgrade to 3.42.50 from 3.37 and everytime i try to do the upgrade
it goes till 8% and then it says your phone is not built for the rom?
Thanx..
XV6800
OS: WM6.5
Radio:3.37.75
The benefit of upgrading the Radio is mainly for the GPS capability. Some say that one radio is better than another for gps locks. Either way, if you want to have gps, upgrading the radio is the way to go. Some custom ROMs also require a certain radio or higher.
If you are having problems upgrading, then you might not have your phone unlocked. You need to first update your SPL to have an unlocked phone, and then you can start upgrading custom stuff.
Some times when the radio wont upgrade by sd card it is necessary to relock to 2.07 then unlock again with 2.47.