The 4-way button on my XDA no longer works downwards. Anyone know why?
cant help ya
same prob, but after 40 minutes call under shower! ;-)
BA is unkillable!
Ill give it out for repair, but not before february. if I should find something out, Ill tell you!
Guys if you talke the MDAIII apart you will find that the back plate of the buttons are made of silicon. The plate itself has noobs (fro lack of a better word) on them whch press against plate. On this plate you will see round buttons (lack of better word) which are like blisters.
The nobbs press against the blisters and thus make contact (top part of the blister to bottom part).
Now the problme is that the noobs ware them selves down. I have tried adding silicon glue to the silicon plate to increse the hight of those nobbs and the only effect this had was to waste a sunday afternoon.
There is a site I once found that sold these silicon plate out of china so I know it can be fixed.
For me I live with it, my DPad wont go down and the mail, IE, start buttons dont work either.
Time to move on to a HTC Touch HD.
Hope that helps.
Ya, me tooo. The down key is not working anymore and also the four small keys above the 4way key...well, that is the reason why I installed sun_dream's ROM which has Touch Flo...Well that is a great idea...Touch HD is a killer too
Button board part
These guys sell replacement Button Boards:
http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main~u...rs-o2+xda+iis+parts+only~item~XDA-BUTBD03.htm
I don't know if it's a drop--in-place or whether soldering is required.
Paul D
I think there is a HUGE audience of people righ tnow who have the 6800 model phone (Titan) who want to upgrade to the Raphael/Touch Pro, but feel the price right now just isn't worth it, with the cheapest new Raphael listing at $480! Ouch!
So, I am hoping that people who previously owned the HTC Titan/6800, can shed some light about what is so much better about the Raphael. Both have a flip out keyboard, both can take SD cards upwards of 8gb, both can do GPS, data/text/video/pics, etc...
I welcome all input from all Raphael owners, but I am really interested in those that used to own the Titan, an dnow use the Raphael.
THANKS!! I think this will help bridge the gap between Titan users still holding out, or perhaps convince them to stick with the Titan, we will see.
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I posted this here instead of the Titan forum because most Raphael users don't visit the Titan forums anymore, so I figured I would get more responses here. Once the thread is well-established, I will post a link in the Titan forums to read what everyone wrote
It's way better than the Mogul, in my opinion. The only thing lacking is the multiple hard buttons like on the Mogul, but I'm gradually getting used to it. The keyboard keys are a little smaller and are taking some re-training, but I like the 5 rows better than 4.
Otherwise...
The abundance of RAM on the Touch Pro makes this device superior in almost every way possible.
The screen is amazing.
Build quality is better, and the keyboard feels more solid than the Mogul's when sliding out.
Voice quality is so-so... not better than the Mogul but not worse.
The speed of the user interface is great.
I sold my Mogul well over 8 months ago because I was so sick of the issues of it..
The biggest issue I had was the memory leak issue... The phone would slow to a crawl...
I went out and purchased the Touch Pro last week...
The difference is night and day between the two phones..
yes the touch pro is still slow at times but it doesnt require a reset to fix the issue and i havent experienced ANY memory leak issues yet.
The camera is amazing for a cell phone
It looks amazing...
The only think i liked better on the mogul was the speaker.. mine sounds tinney and has no clarity whatsoever.
I loved my 6800 but I was rebooting constantly to keep it running. I rarely reboot with my touch pro. The RAM upgrade is the biggest reason I love it. The VGA screen is the other. The Touch Pro is everything I wished my mogul was. The G-Sensor is great too. No more manually flipping the screen or popping the keyboard out.... I wish it had more buttons to map things too like the mogul, but it's minor.
i'm still using my titan (only with wifi), and i love it. for what i do with both of the phones, i think the battery lasts slightly longer on my titan than my touch pro. other than that, the touch pro is amazing and beautiful. the titan is more utilitarian and all business. the touch pro, i love because i can leave all sorts of programs running in the background and still have something like 35%-45% free ram. i bought my phone at best buy with the final price being around two hundred dollars. they told me that their insurance policy was better than sprint's, but i still have the $7 TEP. i do miss the titan's jog wheel, start and ok buttons, the wifi switch, the five-way joy-stick thing (i still press the talk or end button sometimes using my touch pro), and the size of the buttons on the hardware keyboard (the touch pro's are very slightly smaller because there are a greater number of keys).
Pros:
-Much better keyboard
-Phone is more appealing to the eye
-the system RAM is a big improvement!
-the screen is simply amazing
Cons:
-Straight out of the box, the phone is SLOWER than my No2Chem rommed Titan. I don't blame the hardware, I blame TF3D and the ROM. I took TF off immediately and saw a big improvement, done all the speed tweaks and it is better, but I still think the Sprint stock ROM makes it very slow and inefficient.
-Keep your 6800 charger if you can help it, the cord on the new charger is very short
-lack of buttons
At the end of the day; I miss my Mogul a lot but I like this phone too. I guess I am still on the fence to which I like better
I had the 6700 and when i got the 6800, i could not put the thing down. Then i got the tp-6850, and i have to say i would never ever go back. This phone just seems to flow, all the others had so much lag. Yeah i know they were older, but this one just seems to have caught up to being able to run the programs with minimal lag. Of course the day will come that the tp will join the 6700 and 6800 in being a thing of the past.
hooges said:
Pros:
-Much better keyboard
-Phone is more appealing to the eye
-the system RAM is a big improvement!
-the screen is simply amazing
Cons:
-Straight out of the box, the phone is SLOWER than my No2Chem rommed Titan. I don't blame the hardware, I blame TF3D and the ROM. I took TF off immediately and saw a big improvement, done all the speed tweaks and it is better, but I still think the Sprint stock ROM makes it very slow and inefficient.
-Keep your 6800 charger if you can help it, the cord on the new charger is very short
-lack of buttons
At the end of the day; I miss my Mogul a lot but I like this phone too. I guess I am still on the fence to which I like better
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I actually thought the phone was quite functional and eye pleasing strait out of the box. I think they got a fairly good handle on the stock ROM. Still not my cup of tea, as I like flashing custom. But imagine the average joe user that just uses the phone......I don't know how mogul users were ever happy with that phone strait out of the box? It was terrible. My TP out of the box wasn't choppy slow, just a lot of minor annoyances. Like tacking on sprint to music tab and what not...
Design of the TP is pretty good. I REALLY miss the scroll wheel like other said. This is taking some serious getting used to. But the strait sexyness of the phone more than makes up for it, not to mention the added hardware.
This phone has great potential....looking forward to messing with it.
Although it's not fair to compare my stock Titan to a modified rom Touch Pro, I am getting twice the battery life (2 days) with good usage on my TP after running Y4G rom. I'm so glad I upgraded.
I agree with what most other are saying about the extra memory and better screen alone make the TP better.
The G sensor on the TP is very cool.
I never used the jog wheel on my Mogul, so nothing to miss there.
I've never modified the ROMs in any of my phones with the exception of installing updates from Sprint (I had my Mogul running the latest Sprint ROM with WM6.1 and it worked great) That being said, I think the TP is awsome right out of the box.
I really like the TF3d interface as I have big fingers and had a lot of trouble trying to touch the Mogul screen (I always had to use the stylus) I can use my fingers on the TP with no problem.
The KB is much better because the numbers have their own row, just like a normal KB.
And last (but not least) I just love the way it looks, it makes the Mogul look cheap.
Ok, GREAT responses, everyone thank you.
So here's a recap...
PRO's
- improved RAM
- no need to reboot often (doesn't slow down as much)
- screen and camera resolutions
- look and feel
CONS:
- less programmable hard-buttons
- smaller keys on keyboard
- no scroll wheel
- current price (lowest brand new price is around $450 USD - ouch!)
- speaker volume/power
The big CON for me is the no scroll wheel. I use that ALL the time when I am typig with it in landscape mode. You can even click with the scroll wheel (most people dont know that), and it makes menus and websites a breeze...you can just scroll down to the next box like on forms/fields and even click buttons like submit just by pressing the wheel down.
The big PRO for me however would be the RAM improvement and not having to reboot as often.
I think the G-sensor (motion sensor) inside would be useless to me. The ONLY time I turn my current 6800 sideways is when I am typing, and since opening the keyboard makes it flip anyway, g-sensor wouldn't help me. I also care more about functionality than "looks" so that PRO of it being sleeker and all would not matter to me since I use mine for GPS, Instant Messaging, and Email, so looks dont matter.
Two unanswered questions:
What about GPS performance? Is it a NMEA chip, or a MTK/Sirf III chipset? (NMEA relies on your number of reception bars, like the 6800, and has a longer cold-lock time. The other two chipsets will work without cell-reception, and are what is indie REAL stand-alone GPS units)
Also, does it come witrh a RevA ROM? Meaning you can use data and voice simultanously? Right now, if I have my instant messenger running, it signs off when a call comes in, then signs back on when I hang up...I hate that.
I guess the GPS question is my biggest concern since right now I can run TomTom 7 on my 6800, and get free GPS (dont have to pay for a 3rd party program like VZ Naigator), but all 6800's are NMEA (not a real GPS chipset), so what is inside the TouchPro?
Thanks!!
here's the problem: the purported XV6850 or Verizon's TP may be entirely different. The keyboard is a concern with only 10 columns of keys vs 12 on Sprint. So the keys may be bigger, and you still get a number row but the layout is horrible!!!! There's an up arrow in between N and M there's an enter key in the very right bottom corner and a sym key above that. the period is on the left of the space bar! It's a disaster! It also has less ram than Sprints (64MB-92MB less, but possibly more for graphics)
Now these are rumors, but the pictures appear real and are inline with the FCC. Also where's reset hole on the Sprint TP? It appears to be UNDER the battery cover according to the FCC....ouch! I use that button a lot!
Cycomachead said:
here's the problem: the purported XV6850 or Verizon's TP may be entirely different. The keyboard is a concern with only 10 columns of keys vs 12 on Sprint. So the keys may be bigger, and you still get a number row but the layout is horrible!!!! There's an up arrow in between N and M there's an enter key in the very right bottom corner and a sym key above that. the period is on the left of the space bar! It's a disaster! It also has less ram than Sprints (64MB-92MB less, but possibly more for graphics)
Now these are rumors, but the pictures appear real and are inline with the FCC. Also where's reset hole on the Sprint TP? It appears to be UNDER the battery cover according to the FCC....ouch! I use that button a lot!
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The reset hole is definitely not under the battery cover. It's right next to the micro USB port, just like the Mogul. The Diamond is the one with the reset hole under the battery cover.
Does the Pro Come With Holder for the MiniSD Card?
I bought a Pro in-store. When I checked everything at home, I saw the plastic case for the miniSD card and cardholder. The miniSD card was already inserted in the phone, but there was no cardholder. Does anyone know if the Sprint supplies one in the box? I called Sprint and spoke to tech and sales. Also called the number they gave me to HTC. Neither could give me a clear answer.
I bought the Pro because of the TouchFlo. I don't drive, and I take public transit a lot. I'm often carrying grocery or other bags or holding on the rails on the bus. The Flo capability and the smaller size of the Pro makes one-hand web use, page scrolling, and other functions easier for me. I found it annoyingly hard to use the scroll wheel, stylus, and hard buttons on the Mogul in those instances.
The soft wheel on the Pro provides great 4-way direction, and I like the circle-and-zoom capability. Again, using one hand, I can increase the size of the screen and easily hit the button or link I need.
I am a fan of the new keyboard. It is made out of a harder and more tactile material. I have more confidence in knowing that I'm hitting the right key. Glad they moved the numbers to their own row. Also, the on-screen keyboard is larger. I have few problems hitting the right keys with my fingertips.
The camera is more complicated than on the Mogul. There are sub menus to access to change basic things like resolution. There are fewer zoom options. Although there are a lot more customization options on the Pro, I like the Mogul's camera/video interface design better.
some poetic license please
I realize I am not really supposed to reply to this because I don't have a TP yet, it arrives Tuesday from Alltel for me. I do have a 6800 that replaced a 6700 and run stock ROM's generally with a lot of registry hacks and software enhancements from XDA usually. I am upgrading for two reasons, one I travel a lot, in fact at times I live in hotels more than at home and I hate carrying a heavy notebook that takes forever to boot up and drags like crazy when I VPN to our enterprize software apps back at the plant. So I use a Redfly with my 6800 and it is amazingly good for email, and for remote control of my pc back in my office for those enterprise apps.
But with only 64 meg of RAM the 6800 is down to about 10 meg after the Redfly comes online so forget about Opera, or PIE. The only browser you can use well is a server based one like Opera Mini or maybe Skyfire someday if they fix the Redfly issue they have. I think the increased RAM in the TP will let me use any Redfly compatible browser including the slightly older Opera (not what comes on the TP) or PIE. That's big for me since I need to surf on the road. So I think you can't minimize the value of more RAM for a Redfly user, though I realize there aren't very many of us. Also any increase in speed is a big deal when you are using your phone as your only travel PC. I expect I will turn off TF3D since it appears to slow the phone down but I will try it first in case it isn't a hassle. The Redfly drivers turn it off anyway when you connect since it is incompatible. Cuz
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The reset hole is definitely not under the battery cover. It's right next to the micro USB port, just like the Mogul. The Diamond is the one with the reset hole under the battery cover.
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That's what I thought but the Verizon version is really different. It has recently appeared on HTC's site.
http://www.htc.com/us/product.aspx?id=76994
That nearly confirms almost everything I have said. You may need to use magnification of some sort but look at that keyboard layout.
I purchased this keyboard for Christmas for my brother since he has an Acer Iconia Tab: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004YHOUDI
It works great with my Evo View 4G for typing, the arrow buttons, and the volume buttons.
The app specific buttons, however (ie launch web browser etc), don't work. They work only with his Iconia Tab.
Is there a way to make them work with the Flyer/Evo View?
Or is there a better Flyer/Evo View-specific keyboard?
Paul22000 said:
I purchased this keyboard for Christmas for my brother since he has an Acer Iconia Tab: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004YHOUDI
It works great with my Evo View 4G for typing, the arrow buttons, and the volume buttons.
The app specific buttons, however (ie launch web browser etc), don't work. They work only with his Iconia Tab.
Is there a way to make them work with the Flyer/Evo View?
Or is there a better Flyer/Evo View-specific keyboard?
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I bought myself one today for the HTC Flyer from Maplin in Derby. It cost me £29.99.
The dimensions are: 218 x 92 x 22mm. It has 78 keys, etc.
I am very pleased to have bought this one, after buying the hopeless one advertised for HTC Flyer on amazon dot co dot uk - hopeless because the size is completely wrong.
If you head to Maplin, the keyboard is called "Mini Wireless Bluetooth Keyboard for iPad and iPhone". It is by "Cerulian Technology". If you want the product code, it is "Code: N53JN".
Enjoy!
i'm using the logitech for andriod 3.0+ it's pretty nice great size buttons are very nice. so far good batt life. runs on 2 AAA. comes with a case that doubles as a stand for your flyer while ur typing... *pretty handy* the main android buttons work. but same as you. it seems that the shortcuts for the keyboard to oen music and web don't work. but if i'm in the music app the play pause ffwd and rewind buttons work fine... so it must be something with the diff versions of honeycomb. and what the shortcuts are called or something. i think i payed around 50 for it on amazon. free shipping
For my money, the best bluetooth keyboard, bar none, is the iGo stowaway keyboard. The thing is amazing. It folds up into a package about half the size of the Flyer and about 1/4 the weight. Key travel and feedback is very good and the keys are nice and big. There are some compromises. There are no dedicated number keys, for instance. You type numbers by holding down a function key and typing from the top row of letter keys (Which have numbers labelled in blue beneath the letters). But the device is solid, and bluetooth connectivity is excellent. I never get repeated keys like I did sometimes with my other bluetooth keyboard.
The biggest downside is that the keyboard is no longer manufactured. You have to find a used on on eBay, and they can easily fetch $200.00 because they are so sought after. However, there is one trick to getting a cheap one: find the Dell version. Dell sold these things under license some time ago for use with a Dell Axim PDA. It's the exact same keyboard, but because not many people are aware of it, you can get them for about 1/3 the going rate of an iGo. I paid about $70.00 shipped for mine a couple of weeks ago.
I got a Zagg Keys Solo wireless keyboard for Christmas. Works well- even has some Android specific keys. The Flyer is actually listed as a compatible device on the website as well. But not all keys work-but works great if you need to do extended typing.
personally, i use the apple bluetooth keyboard. It works nice. I use an app for having it in AZERTY mode. The shortcut for sound or brightness don't work.
HP Touchpad keyboard, now discontinued and under £25, really really well made and a joy to type on. Works 100% with my flyer.
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jbbordas said:
personally, i use the apple bluetooth keyboard. It works nice. I use an app for having it in AZERTY mode. The shortcut for sound or brightness don't work.
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You can actually remap keys on a keyboard. Not easy but you can do it if you are patient.
http://www.kandroid.org/online-pdk/guide/keymaps_keyboard_input.html
DigitalMD said:
You can actually remap keys on a keyboard. Not easy but you can do it if you are patient.
http://www.kandroid.org/online-pdk/guide/keymaps_keyboard_input.html
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Or you can do it the easy way with my app: http://www.apedroid.com/android-applications/external-keyboard-helper
It also supports remapping keycodes for volume buttons etc. but the keycodes supported differes a lot between Android releases (different API versions) as you can see here: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/KeyEvent.html#KEYCODE_0
Also some keycodes like HOME are handled early in the OS and cannot be remapped unless you do it the hard way on a rooted device.
But you can do a lot with my app and it includes a lot of premade layouts.