Ok a few basic questions if someone would be so kind! :
- Can Nandroid and more specifically creating a backup image of the phone only be done *after* rooting?
- Would any backup image therefore include the rooted "state" of the phone if reapplied?
- By rooting the phone does the warranty through Orange become invalid?
Ta,
~ Temjin
1. No, it can be done before.
2. Yes reapplying a rooted image will get you root
3. Don't know!
Hi Kadison,
In which case would you be so kind as to tell me how to create a backup image without rooting / point me in the right direction for more information please?
Thanks!
Go to Modaco's site, follow the instructions to the letter and you'll then be able to boot your phone into the recovery image, and perform a nandroid backup.
The backup will be stored on your SD card and can be moved to your PC.
Awesome, thanks
Hi another question from a different newbie. If I back up using Nandroid, apply another ROM (with wipe), does Nandroid then let me restore all my apps or will it restore the whole previous ROM?
Ta
martint235 said:
Hi another question from a different newbie. If I back up using Nandroid, apply another ROM (with wipe), does Nandroid then let me restore all my apps or will it restore the whole previous ROM?
Ta
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My understanding is Nandroid will restore whatever ROM it was used to generate a backup.
Thanks for that. Another noobie question though, what happens to apps I've bought etc if I flash a new ROM?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
emigre said:
Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
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You don't need two of the same thing. I haven't used titanium but nandroid is a, if you will, what-you-see-is-what-you-get backup....what I mean by this is it will back up your phone in the exact state it is...you can't choose to exclude this or that, etc. I prefer mybackup pro because the one time I used titanium I couldn't figure out what to do cuz the GUI was so scrub. That's just me tho.
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I think the main difference is that nandroid will restore everything back the way it was through recovery. With Titanium Backup, you can backup your apps+data and restore them if you flash a new ROM. So like if you upgrade to the latest version of CM6 or Liberated, you can carry your apps over. If you restore the nandroid, it will restore the old ROM too.
Thanks for the response guys.
@blindfusion: I think you just pointed out the main difference there. I didn't think of it that way, the old ROM would also be flashed!
@zervic: Now I think I'll need to get my hands on a backup app. Will check out backup Pro!
Thanks again!
under nandroid/advanced restore, there's an option to restore data. not sure how it differs from titanium. i think titanium let's you pick the apps to back up. nandroid just backs up everything.
So does nandroid also give us the option to restore data (ie. Saved apps, datas, etc) under advanced without flashing the old ROM back in?
For example if i were to flash a newer ROM (FR007 for instance), then i'd be able to have access and restore ALL the backed up data in nandroid? And have a newer version of the OS?
Am i missing something here? I guess i just want to keep my aria light and avoid installing apps i absoloutely do not need. To keep it zippy and maintain precious internal memory.
Thanks again everyone!
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that's how i've restored apps/data after updating rom.
Thanks for the confirmation Darren!
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
No titanium backs up app and their data only.nandroid is a full system image.
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androidlover123 said:
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
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Always make both before flashing a new ROM. If everything goes according to plan, run Titanium to restore all your apps into the new ROM. If something goes wrong, you can use Nandroid to restore your phone to pre-flash state.
Also, you should copy the Nandroid file to your computer. If your phone is ever lost or stolen and you get a new one, you can restore it to your old phone's image.
NANDroid backup is a complete image of your phone: the OS, apps, data, everything. So if you screw up your phone, like making it unbootable, or accidentally wiping it clean, you can restore the image and everything will be back to the way it was when you did the backup.
Titanium Backup is an app in your OS that backs up other apps, their data, and some system data / user settings. It's usually used, for example, for restoring apps and their data after a clean install, where you've wiped everything clean.
The two options are fundamentally different, but do have some overlap.
I've never got nandroid backup to work for me personally. Always comes up, "backup not found".
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glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
silentsigma said:
glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
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You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
thanks. that answer all of my backup questions.
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You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
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Sorry still unclear for me, so if i have CWM i will go to recovery and there i can performe the backup right?
that copies the nandroid to my Sd card? and that image is flasheable image? is that correct? sorry if any of those is a stupid question :S
Edit: Nevermind, i found a guide here that is good for newbies like me, but thanks anyway
Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
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Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
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1. Correct. Its highly likely that there will be issues (device won't boot) on almost every occasion.
2. Yes. You may also want to exclude "app data," since it may cause a bootloop or system instability (on some occasions). You could keep a Tb backup if you wish.
It won't be a fatal mistake, but the device will just not boot up (soft-brick). You would have to boot into recovery mode a restore/flash a rom made for the device.
Yes, that's correct.
So I started following the Noob guide posted here -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=849028
I followed his first steps, I rooted the phone using the update.zip then I installed TitaniumBackup, Backed up all my files needed, Then I installed Rommanger and made a backup of the Rom...
My next step is to flash a ROM, I chose the Nero_Beta_3. But, before I attempt to flash, I was reading alot of people use Odin to backup there files on their computer instead of the phone just incase anything goes wrong. Can someone help me out with this please?
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Odin is used for flashing ROMs. It doesn't do backups or anything else.
Also, next time, you should really post this in the Q&A forum.
Sorry Will do! New to XDA, but i LOVE IT!
well i think you can dump your system using odin but i prefer to just use titanium backup and nandroid if its the same build i am flashing again.
Use titanium backup to do all of your user apps, do a backup of everything in rom manager when down plug phone into computer and look for 2 backup files related to those apps. Copy both to your computer just in case something goes wrong. After you flash you want to restore user apps in titanium, if you do system data you may run into problems. Oh and the pro version of titanium is very worth it.
Finally good luck and try and keep questions in proper section.
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Excuse my nooberance - but I want to test out some different firmwares, roms and kernels.
Once I've installed new firmware, kernels or roms I'd like to be able to easily and quickly restore all my apps and settings. What is the easiest way to do this?
I've CWM installed and have made a backup of my current state - but is it simpler to use something like Titanium Backup as from what I understand the backup I've made with CWM is like a complete image and if I restore that image it will overwirte any other rom, kernel or firmware - but maybe I've misunderstood (quite likely - as there's a lot to learn about Android coming from a long time iOS user).
Thanks in advance.
yes you can use TiBU to restore almost anything. However it is recommended to restore only "user apps and their data". You can backup messages and call logs using samsung account or use "MyBackUp" app for it.
TiBU however is most widely used.
There are guides and tutorials for using Titanium Backup but I'll give a little info to maybe clear things up for you.
A Nandroid backup will indeed backup EVERYTHING like a complete image, so yes if you installed a new ROM or Kernel, and restored the Nandroid backup, this would overwrite and you would be back at square one. Nandroid backups are useful if you are doing modifications to the system like new themes or changes to settings etc, in case it goes wrong you can restore.
Download Titanium Backup (I do recommend getting Pro version).
Backup your USER apps only. NOT THE SYSTEM APPS.
Choose any system apps you do require (maybe)
Then on the new ROM you can just restore all your user apps.. simple..
PM me if you need any more help and I will go into more detail
Hi,
4.2 of Jelly Bean update could be imminent for my Nexus 7, and I'm wondering about what and how to backup before the update. The question I think is a general android one though... which is why I'm posting it here.
This was going to be a question about factory reset... but reading other posts I think I now understand that factory reset just deletes data/cache, so I think any time you do that it's just gonna return the device to a clean ROM state without changing the ROM. (whatever flavour/version ROM is)
When a ROM update is applied (either official or manually flashed), I guess it wipes everything, is it like a disk format or something like that? I have installed CWM recovery and rooted my device, I think the update will unroot it, but will the CWM recovery still be loaded?
And then, what backup should I take before the update... I think a Titanium Backup is a must, I understand how that works. But a Nandroid backup too? Or is that more like taking a disk image, would that be useless to restore after the ROM has been updated? And if so, does that mean any old Nandroid backups should be discarded?
Once the new update to 4.2 is installed, is it advisable to take a Nandroid backup immediately, or better to download the stock 4.2 image and keeping it as a starting point? (does this amount to the same thing?) I guess this is where a factory reset would return it to stock (providing I haven't moved anything to the system apps)?
Or is it possible/better to use a Nandroid backup as a point in time image of everything that's been installed on the device after adding back all the apps etc? I guess that leads me to wonder if the Nandroid backup is needed at all if I'm going with the Titanium Backups...
Thanks a lot and sorry for the lengthy question, I've seen many posts touching on this
stillchimp said:
Hi,
4.2 of Jelly Bean update could be imminent for my Nexus 7, and I'm wondering about what and how to backup before the update. The question I think is a general android one though... which is why I'm posting it here.
This was going to be a question about factory reset... but reading other posts I think I now understand that factory reset just deletes data/cache, so I think any time you do that it's just gonna return the device to a clean ROM state without changing the ROM. (whatever flavour/version ROM is)
When a ROM update is applied (either official or manually flashed), I guess it wipes everything, is it like a disk format or something like that? I have installed CWM recovery and rooted my device, I think the update will unroot it, but will the CWM recovery still be loaded?
And then, what backup should I take before the update... I think a Titanium Backup is a must, I understand how that works. But a Nandroid backup too? Or is that more like taking a disk image, would that be useless to restore after the ROM has been updated? And if so, does that mean any old Nandroid backups should be discarded?
Once the new update to 4.2 is installed, is it advisable to take a Nandroid backup immediately, or better to download the stock 4.2 image and keeping it as a starting point? (does this amount to the same thing?) I guess this is where a factory reset would return it to stock (providing I haven't moved anything to the system apps)?
Or is it possible/better to use a Nandroid backup as a point in time image of everything that's been installed on the device after adding back all the apps etc? I guess that leads me to wonder if the Nandroid backup is needed at all if I'm going with the Titanium Backups...
Thanks a lot and sorry for the lengthy question, I've seen many posts touching on this
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1. OTA updates should let you retain your apps.
2. Clockworkmod will still be installed following the update.
3. Nandroid backups are like a system image it makes a backup of everything on your phone (Minus sd card external) at the exact point in time when you make the backup. If you restore the backup it will restore your phone to the exact state it was in when you made the backup. You only need to keep a couple of your recent nandroid backups on your phone.
4. After the 4.2 update you can either make a backup or use a factory restore image it will make no difference. Factory reset would return it to stock.
5. You can use nandroid to make a backup after you install your apps in fact I would recommend this that way you have a convient restore point. You can also backup your apps with titanium backup.
Hope this answers some of your questions .
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shimp208 said:
1. OTA updates should let you retain your apps.
2. Clockworkmod will still be installed following the update.
3. Nandroid backups are like a system image it makes a backup of everything on your phone (Minus sd card external) at the exact point in time when you make the backup. If you restore the backup it will restore your phone to the exact state it was in when you made the backup. You only need to keep a couple of your recent nandroid backups on your phone.
4. After the 4.2 update you can either make a backup or use a factory restore image it will make no difference. Factory reset would return it to stock.
5. You can use nandroid to make a backup after you install your apps in fact I would recommend this that way you have a convient restore point. You can also backup your apps with titanium backup.
Hope this answers some of your questions .
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Excellent, thanks for the fast reply, you did answer my questions!
I was misunderstanding then about the 4.2 update, thinking it was equivalent to flashing a new ROM... you clarified it for me, seems it's less severe than that.
I think I'll go with your point 5 to use a Nandroid image for a convenient restore point after the OTA happens