Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
emigre said:
Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
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You don't need two of the same thing. I haven't used titanium but nandroid is a, if you will, what-you-see-is-what-you-get backup....what I mean by this is it will back up your phone in the exact state it is...you can't choose to exclude this or that, etc. I prefer mybackup pro because the one time I used titanium I couldn't figure out what to do cuz the GUI was so scrub. That's just me tho.
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I think the main difference is that nandroid will restore everything back the way it was through recovery. With Titanium Backup, you can backup your apps+data and restore them if you flash a new ROM. So like if you upgrade to the latest version of CM6 or Liberated, you can carry your apps over. If you restore the nandroid, it will restore the old ROM too.
Thanks for the response guys.
@blindfusion: I think you just pointed out the main difference there. I didn't think of it that way, the old ROM would also be flashed!
@zervic: Now I think I'll need to get my hands on a backup app. Will check out backup Pro!
Thanks again!
under nandroid/advanced restore, there's an option to restore data. not sure how it differs from titanium. i think titanium let's you pick the apps to back up. nandroid just backs up everything.
So does nandroid also give us the option to restore data (ie. Saved apps, datas, etc) under advanced without flashing the old ROM back in?
For example if i were to flash a newer ROM (FR007 for instance), then i'd be able to have access and restore ALL the backed up data in nandroid? And have a newer version of the OS?
Am i missing something here? I guess i just want to keep my aria light and avoid installing apps i absoloutely do not need. To keep it zippy and maintain precious internal memory.
Thanks again everyone!
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that's how i've restored apps/data after updating rom.
Thanks for the confirmation Darren!
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
No titanium backs up app and their data only.nandroid is a full system image.
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androidlover123 said:
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
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Always make both before flashing a new ROM. If everything goes according to plan, run Titanium to restore all your apps into the new ROM. If something goes wrong, you can use Nandroid to restore your phone to pre-flash state.
Also, you should copy the Nandroid file to your computer. If your phone is ever lost or stolen and you get a new one, you can restore it to your old phone's image.
NANDroid backup is a complete image of your phone: the OS, apps, data, everything. So if you screw up your phone, like making it unbootable, or accidentally wiping it clean, you can restore the image and everything will be back to the way it was when you did the backup.
Titanium Backup is an app in your OS that backs up other apps, their data, and some system data / user settings. It's usually used, for example, for restoring apps and their data after a clean install, where you've wiped everything clean.
The two options are fundamentally different, but do have some overlap.
I've never got nandroid backup to work for me personally. Always comes up, "backup not found".
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glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
silentsigma said:
glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
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You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
thanks. that answer all of my backup questions.
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Theonew said:
You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
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Sorry still unclear for me, so if i have CWM i will go to recovery and there i can performe the backup right?
that copies the nandroid to my Sd card? and that image is flasheable image? is that correct? sorry if any of those is a stupid question :S
Edit: Nevermind, i found a guide here that is good for newbies like me, but thanks anyway
Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
ferns_mccanus said:
Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
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1. Correct. Its highly likely that there will be issues (device won't boot) on almost every occasion.
2. Yes. You may also want to exclude "app data," since it may cause a bootloop or system instability (on some occasions). You could keep a Tb backup if you wish.
It won't be a fatal mistake, but the device will just not boot up (soft-brick). You would have to boot into recovery mode a restore/flash a rom made for the device.
Yes, that's correct.
Hi Guys,
I am running the the latest Axura ROM (2.2.5.7 I believe) and have now purchased the premium versions of the following Apps: ROM Manager, Titanium Back Up & Launcher Pro.
With all this awesome capability, what should I do in the way of a back up to restore my phone if something ever happens? Basically my goal is to be able to go into recovery and restore my phone totally if I FUBAR it.
Please keep in mind I just entered this world as of Sunday starting with Rooting and then ROM flashing : D
Thank you for all your help now and in the past!
From another post I made:
The way I have things set up for backups, and this is just for my personal convenience, is as follows...
I have a stock JFD ODIN rom to flash in case anything goes wrong. (A lot of people here will tell you to flash this whenever flashing a new rom. It is safer, and cleaner to do it this way, but not absolutely necessary)
I make a nandroid of my last stable rom (I only keep one at a time cause the files are huge) and keep a backup of that on my PC.
I backup all my apps and a few other things (call logs, bookmarks, sms) through Titanium backup. If you get the pro version, you can load it up after flashing a new rom and have it automatically restore all your apps in one click (system settings can be dangerous to restore when going from rom to rom, so be careful with those.) I also keep a backup of this on my PC.
I will also occasionally backup both of the sd cards to the PC.
Maybe overkill, but you probably wont ever lose anything forever.
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Well I just backed up my ROM through ROM manager... I have another one in there too dated Saturday (when I first flashed) which I assume is my stock vibrant ROM...?
I do have the Pro version of Titanium... how would I back up everything for a one click set-up?...If I did that should I just delete my ROM back up in ROM manager? Trying to avoid unnecessary redundancy and the wasting of precious space on my phone : P
Go into Titanium and click on Backup and restore and than click on menu and then batch and then select backup all user apps. then run batch file. You also have the choice to back up system data as well. I would not recommend deleting any of your backups in Rom Manager. Just backup all of your apps(and system data if you wish) and you are good to go.
Thanks all!
tenbeau said:
I would not recommend deleting any of your backups in Rom Manager.
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Why is that? Nandroid backups are very large, and if you're playing it safe and making a nandroid each time before flashing a rom, you will run out of space very quickly. You should always keep at least one (for me its my most recent, stable, daily driver), but it certainly is NOT necessary to keep all of them.
currently im using DJ05 and have the super red evolution theme from nijitsu.
I've been having a few issues lately, one being that swype no longer works and for the life of me i can't get the new beta installed. I've tried wiping the old swype data with tibu and then deleted it, and used root explorer to remove any traces of SWYPE left that were found, i do a reboot and i still can't install the swype beta. it just goes to install and says DID NOT INSTALL.
i figured i might as well upgrade to EB01 now and hopefully the issue will be resolved after upgrading.
questions are:
i have the green version of CWM, do i NEED the red version to upgrade? if so, where can i find a working link for that version? i've tried searching all over this board and they all point back to the link that is down.
2) do i HAVE to do a complete battery wipe? i have tons of apps and stuff i want to keep. Can i use tibu to completely back those up, so after i wipe clean and install the new rom, i can just restore those apps and keep all the settings and saved games?
Sorry, these are pretty noobish questions. Thanks for all the help!
Some help
I'm still kinda new to the process, but...
Here's Adrenylyne's CWM Red. Dunno if you need it to flash EB01
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913470 (CWM Red is near the base of Adrynalyne's post)
As far as the back-up goes you should be able to run a Nandroid back-up from Recovery boot. That combined with an app back-up with your app-manager should cover everything.
Higher-ups plz correct nething I got wrong...kthnxbai
okay, will i need the pro version of titanium backup? or will the free version work?
i just want to make sure all my contacts are backed up, my text messages, and all my apps i downloaded and paid for.. i have the free version of titanium backup, and i hit BACKUP on all of those. I just want to make sure once i wipe everything and install fresh, i can download titanium backup and just restore them with the free version
Run backup assistant for contacts, or if you have them saved via google... not sure about the titanium thing, never used it. Easiest way to get to eb01 is the odin all in one package, does all the wiping for you and there are several versions to choose from. Check development section on droidforums
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Been reading for 2 weeks now. Here's what I have come up with and would appreciate help. Have ADB, rooted Tbolt. Know how to work with ADB. Have Titanium Backup, have run backup all user apps and system data. Downloaded perfect storm rom. Know how to put that on.
Question is this. Before I put on the new rom.. If I want to go back to original rom do I just go to titanium backup and do a restore? OR am I missing something? Sorry for this if it's somewhere in the forums. I can't find all this in one! Thx
fredspierson said:
Been reading for 2 weeks now. Here's what I have come up with and would appreciate help. Have ADB, rooted Tbolt. Know how to work with ADB. Have Titanium Backup, have run backup all user apps and system data. Downloaded perfect storm rom. Know how to put that on.
Question is this. Before I put on the new rom.. If I want to go back to original rom do I just go to titanium backup and do a restore? OR am I missing something? Sorry for this if it's somewhere in the forums. I can't find all this in one! Thx
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You do back ups and restores in the recovery system. Reboot to recovery and then navigate to backup and restore
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And that takes you back to the original rom just like before you changed rom? Thx
Yes. This is a full backup (including kernel, ROM, data, etc).
How to use the recovery
i've really only used rom manager in the past, and now with the LTE i'm using Goo manager, and TWRP for a recovery. my question is, for those that want to try a new ROM, what is your procedure for backing up your ROM and apps, etc.? i ask because i flashed to viperROM, and backed it up via TWRP recovery, went to try another ROM out, and then wanted to reflash with the backup i had created, but wasn't sure where to find it to flash back. was it just a matter of not knowing what directory it had been saved into? also, when you make a backup (is it still referred to as nandroid?), do you have to use something like titanium for backup of apps and their data? i take it that's the case but wanted to be sure... maybe i need to do more searching for titanium backup i guess.
edit: just to add that i have used TB root in the past after flashing, only to find that things like some of the games etc. were as if it was a fresh install... no save game data. what's the proper way to ensure that apps are backed up with all of their associated data? or is that something that's more of a case by case/manual thing?