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OK Guys. Problem Solved : Dead devices due to tmob 1.72 + Downgrade
Problem: New version changes Device ID, as well as ID format.
If you upgrade to tmob 1.72, you cannot downgrade back, as you cannot supply valid NBF files for the new device ID. If you try to play around, you end up with a very dull bootloader screen "Serial V.1.06", and nothing more can be done. SD card images cannot be flashed due to the same reason.
Untill our developers come up with a simple tool, the following 2 solutions can be used to get out of the disaster:
Solution 1:
(tested and 100% working for both dead devices stuck in bootloader and devices working but stuck with the tmob 1.72 version.)
You will need a working device (with old ROM before 1.72), besides your dead one.
1. Prepare your DEAD device in Bootloader mode. Don't connect it yet. (If it is still working but you want to downgrade, press Power+Action+Stylus, if it is already stuck in bootloader, just reset with stylus).
2. Connect your WORKING device, with OLD version via activesync.
3. Start the rom installation of your choice normally, with a version compatible with this WORKING device (Official or Modified NBF files via HymaUpgradeUT). If you don't know what I am talking about, just use your official file downloaded from your WORKING devices' provider).
4. Press NEXT, untill you are presented with the Current version and the one that will be installed. DO NOT click "UPGRADE" yet. (If you got an error so far, you are not using the correct version for your working device.)
5. When you get the dialog with the versions, disconnect the WORKING device from the craddle and connect your DEAD device, in bootloader mode.
6. Click "UPGRADE" and go get yourself a drink.
Et Voila.
Thanks to Victor for inspiring this solution.
Solution 2:
If you don't have another working device, and only have a dead one stuck in BootLoader, you can flash the attached image, through SD card. It will bring back your device to life with the BETA tmob 1.72 CE ROM.
Write the image to the card using "NTRW". Info on SD images and NTRW can be found in this forum.
Unfortunately, i don't have device even with working bootloader And it stuck in TMObile screen
I am sorry I have no solution for screwed Bootloaders, but if your device loads into the tmob screen, there must be something there still working. The only thing I can advise is to try to hard reset and not go into the extended ROM setup files (Soft Reset right after the Hard Reset and welcome procedure), but I guess you don't reach that far ....
What is about for XDA 1?
HI !
I have a Dead XDA. The bootloader is OK. How can I do with it ?
I need some advice for doing it, please !
Best reguard,
Carlo & Victor... You are GREAT!!
Okey.... I will try FIRST!!
please, where is the officiale t mobil rom ? we all have the beta (and thee pb you solve) but not the official one...
thanks
When i posted the T-mobile 172 rom i did not know how much greif it would cause people, sorry to everyone for this
As to the second solution using the SD card is it possible to use this method on a working XDA2.
Basically i have a UK XDA2 and of corse i getthe ID error if i run the upgrade, i dont understand very well how to change the ID part so could i just make the SD card with the rom on it and follow your instructions to recover a dead XDA2
Thanks
John
What should I do when I want to upgrade/downgrade...
I have the T-Mobile 1.72WWE rom installed.
Everything works ok for now, no problems.
But do I need to do when I want to upgrade/downgrade?
I don't have a second device so thats not an option
Please advise.
Thanks
To cairo31male!!
NOP!! Can't HELP!! Maybe the BOOTLOADER got the diffrent version? Mine is 1.03. Can u tell me how to upgrade the bootloader to 1.06?
And you mentioned about OLD version, what do you mean by that?
@hcnsoft:
The 2 solutions described above are for XDA 2's which have been screwed up by installing / uninstalling the latest beta version tmob 1.72. If this is your situation, and you have a working bootloader, both solutions should work for you.
@SEB152030:
The beta we have is 1.72, which caused all these problems. If you have another working device, as described in solution 1, you can revert back to the latest working official ROM (1.66), just follow the steps decribed above and use the official 1.66 upgrade program.
@applecom:
If your XDA 2 is dead, there is no harm in trying. But basically, this SD file will only work on devices that have already been upgraded to 1.72 and then died. If it is dead because of any other reason, I suggest you stick with older stable versions and don't try to mess up with 1.72 for now, until the developers come up with a simple tool to go back and forth between different roms. You can flash SD images that were made from other working devices that have your same model/language. You wouldn't get any errors that way.
@Panja:
Since your device is working, I suggest you wait a couple of days, before trying anything. The developers might come up with a simpler solution. If you absolutely have to downgrade, you can follow the solution 1 described above, but you will need another working device for a few minutes. Use the other working device which has the old ROM installed and start the OLD ROM installation software, then plug in your device with the 1.72 ROM AFTER you get the different versions dialog with the button "UPGRADE".
@Ivan-R: which method are you tying? Solution 1 or 2? FOr the first solution, I guess it should work. For the SD flashing, I beleive you should have Bootloader 1.06. How to get that one, I don't know, but I strongly advise against it, untill all this matter is clear, as each new version of the bootloader implements stricter security, which will make it harder to customize in the future.
OLD version means any version before 1.72
cairo31male said:
@hcnsoft:
@Ivan-R: which method are you tying? Solution 1 or 2? FOr the first solution, I guess it should work. For the SD flashing, I beleive you should have Bootloader 1.06. How to get that one, I don't know, but I strongly advise against it, untill all this matter is clear, as each new version of the bootloader implements stricter security, which will make it harder to customize in the future.
OLD version means any version before 1.72
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I already try BOTH solution!! Solution 1, i try with ROM 1.03.11, which is thats the basic ROM. Solution 2, the RESULT is Not Allowed UpDate!!
So i guess this is the matter of BOOTLOADER!! Yours is 1.06 and me 1.03. THATS THE PROBLEMO NOW!! Now... How about upgrade the BOOTLOADER??
[email protected]#$!%G FREAK ROM!! :evil:
Mas Ivan,
Sebaiknya anda jangan menggunakan sd image yang di upload karena masih beta untuk menghindari kesalahan pada rom 1.72
thanks cairo for the info, my xda is working with the standard rom, Our only problem is me and the guy that got the rom in the first place would like to use it but we cant
anyway thanks for youe info
John
Solution 1
Solution 1 don't work for me because (I think) 2 version of bootloader 1.03 and 1.06.....
I found a solution : Here
Radio Stack Downgrade
I loaded the 1.72 Beta and would like to keep it, but the Radio Stack is horrible for me. I need to go back to the O2 launch version of the radio stack. I noticed in the O2launch Rom that the contents of the exe file included Radio.nb while the 1.72 exe contained Radio.nbf.
Is it safe for me to try and downgrade only the radio stack and if so should i use the launch version of himalaya upgrade or the 1.72 version of himalaya upgrade to install the launch radio.nb file?
Can anyone give me some advice here? My radio is barely functional. can't find networks where i know there is coverage. Thanks for any advice.
Re: Radio Stack Downgrade
watchdogsdg said:
I loaded the 1.72 Beta and would like to keep it, but the Radio Stack is horrible for me. I need to go back to the O2 launch version of the radio stack. I noticed in the O2launch Rom that the contents of the exe file included Radio.nb while the 1.72 exe contained Radio.nbf.
Is it safe for me to try and downgrade only the radio stack and if so should i use the launch version of himalaya upgrade or the 1.72 version of himalaya upgrade to install the launch radio.nb file?
Can anyone give me some advice here? My radio is barely functional. can't find networks where i know there is coverage. Thanks for any advice.
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Go go go... Just downgrade it!! 8) Then you will join me in HERE!! Huahahahaha... You are STUCK for the REST OF YOUR LIFE!!
Didn't have any trouble downgrading
I just upgraded to 1.72 last week...hated it...gprs was WAY too slow. Today I downgraded and crossed my fingers back to Xda_II_Upgrade_v16050.exe (filename..not sure where i got it).
IT WORKS!! everything went fine and is fine.
I think my bootloader said it was something like version 1.01 (very hard to read that screen without the backlight) So I'm guessing this downgrade problem may be specific to bootloader versions.
No expert, just letting you know what i did.
This site is amazing. Thanks for everything.
Re: Didn't have any trouble downgrading
mkriemersma said:
So I'm guessing this downgrade problem may be specific to bootloader versions.
No expert, just letting you know what i did.
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I AGREE WITH YOU!! BOOTLOADER thang'!! I am not EXPERT too, but I REALLY NEED SOME HELP HERE!!
Hi,
Thanks for all help!
I have a dead unit due to 1.72 ROm.
Itried to fool the himalya upgrade program with a soft reset as suggested in another thread, it works It gets trough the device id but stops when erasing rom, any suggestion?
Is there anyone out ther that can disassamble the himalyprogram and
make a small program without error checking?
I also have bootloader 1.06 and tried also "ntrw write ROM.nb1 H:"
It works writing the image but my bootloader don´t loads any rom.
Tried with 2 differnet SD cards, and soft reset, hardreset, and only pushing camera button, without succes, what is the right command?
Any more suggestions?
@nilron:
Press ARROW KEY (any direction on joystick) + POWER Button + SOFT RESET, all together, then wait a little. You should get instructions to press POWER to start flashing.
Hello, all once more!!
I'd like to ask (and I beleave, that an ansver to this question is of onterest to lots of people) what are the advised upgrades for a Wallaby phone?
For example I have a QTek 1010 from Austrian One with factory settings. What OS is advised to upgrate? Are there any compatibility issues? Risks to damage device? (For example I'd like to install WM2003SE from lumpistefan's ROMKitchen)
One more question is about radio unit upgrades: if I know what an OS upgrade will give (a new and hopefully better) OS, I don't know what radio unit upgrade will give? And once more about radio upgrade: are there any compatibility issues? Risks to damage device?
Thanks
Yaroslav Novytskyy
If your radio is working then leave it alone is best. If you upgrade to wm2003 or 2003se you can always revert to your original rom if you back it up before flashing. The only damage I have seen is from flashing radio so be advised.
Thanx, for your answer! So I will *not* upgrade my radio, becouse I'm satisfied with the current...
(by the way where can I get info of what has changed, is upgraded since in new radio versions - a king of changelog)
And one more important question: are .exe upgrades for OS (since WM2003SE form ROMKitchen comes only in .exe form) secure, if to compare with .nb1 files flashing method? How do these methods differ?
As much as i know, there aren't any diffs/changelogs of the Radio Versions. .......
If all is going fine updating via exe is fine. But if you got any problems with the connection between PC and XDA, the upgrade will fail and the device won't coming up again. Then the only possiibility is to flash via SD. Also some ROMS prohibt flashing via Exe.
In my eyes flashing via SD-Card is the securest way getting an other ROM to the XDA. And if flashed about 100 times.... ;-)
Stefan
does any one help me..cause cannot upgrade the Latest Rom.....english language...
sone id error in my atom exec
what im must gonna do...
thx be4
mrkhingkhong said:
does any one help me..cause cannot upgrade the Latest Rom.....english language...
sone id error in my atom exec
what im must gonna do...
thx be4
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Yes, I did that. That means it can be done. But sorry, I forgot exactly how to do it. It was long time ago. I read the instruction somewhere and it was fairly simple and easy. You may search the forum to find it.
Basic problem is during the upgrade process, the English ROM sees the resident ROM is Chinese, it will say wrong language version and refuse to overwrite.
My recollection is during the upgrade process, before clicking upgrade button, go to Windows temporary directory, find the ROM image. Edit the ROM language version number and save it back. The first upgrade will fail and need to redo the upgrade but the second times it will not check the language and complete the upgrade.
There may be some unlocking program that may even make it simplier.
Atom Exec only put out upgrade once so I never have any upgrade to do afterwards so didn't keep track where I read the info.
jychan28 said:
Yes, I did that. That means it can be done. But sorry, I forgot exactly how to do it. It was long time ago. I read the instruction somewhere and it was fairly simple and easy. You may search the forum to find it.
Basic problem is during the upgrade process, the English ROM sees the resident ROM is Chinese, it will say wrong language version and refuse to overwrite.
My recollection is during the upgrade process, before clicking upgrade button, go to Windows temporary directory, find the ROM image. Edit the ROM language version number and save it back. The first upgrade will fail and need to redo the upgrade but the second times it will not check the language and complete the upgrade.
There may be some unlocking program that may even make it simplier.
Atom Exec only put out upgrade once so I never have any upgrade to do afterwards so didn't keep track where I read the info.
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thx to respond my post jychan.....
but i still not get it , does any one make some sample or tutorial...in this thread.....
or what program should edit in windows/temp file????
long time ago im already upgrade my atom black from china to english..and working....but its diferrent with with this atom exec....
does anybody can explain or give the tutorial please
thank ypu very much
arwaniku said:
does anybody can explain or give the tutorial please
thank ypu very much
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Ok, since nobody response (no too many people buy AtomExec). Let me tell you what I did and worked but don't ask why because I do remember.
The reason CHT AtomExec cannot flash with English ROM that is normal because all manufactures want to keep tracks of the warranty of their machines and do not want users change the ROM software. Each IMEI number tells which language of the ROM it can use. For example, I am a register user of CHT AtomExec and O2 does not let me download the English ROM and I have to look for the ENG ROM in the intenet.
So each ROM must have something so the machine can tell whether it is the correct language for it. Instead of unlocking the machine, which I do not know how, here is what I did:
I. I opened the CHT ROM with a hex editor. I copy down its ROM number (it is in the first line, very easy).
II. I opened the ENG ROM with a hex editor, I carefully modified its ROM number as exactly like the CHT ROM.
III. I then flashed with the modified ENG ROM. The first time, it will choke. It does not know why the contents of the ROM does not match the ROM number but no harm done. It may or may not give you an error.
IV. Now flashed it again with the original ENG ROM. This time, it will flash with the ENG ROM without complain.
From now on, you can flash with any other ENG ROM, WM5 or WM6!!!
Good Luck!
HI,
i have 8525 WM5 and i wanna update it to WM6 but,i can't find anything sample i have read a lot about updating but,i can't find anything sample,
I know there is some unlocking stuff involved do I start with that or what?
here is this web site http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=65&act=sd it has the update too but,i don't know if it's good or not ??i don't wanna loss my phone please help??
Thanks.
OK, step by step...
1). first install Hard SPL ver7... read about and get apps needed here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296722
My advice, load this via the pc with activesync(takes about 2 seconds...) or if you need to, use sd card method found in post #1160 on page 116.
2).find the os you like.. Now you have Hard SPL installed, use the sd card method to install the rom (especially if it has a radio rom in it)....
Easy, huh?
Good Luck flashing & welcome...
So you want to try some ROM other than the shipped ROM for your Athena!
What Do you need to know?
Backup
You should also know that doing this will usually wipe all the info off your phone(except the microdrive and SD card)
So it is important that you learn to backup any info that you want to keep.
I suggest using pimbackup and I usually back up MyDocuments by syncing with your computer or even copying it to your SD card.
I do this as a routine everytime I fiddle with my ROM so I can return to the previous state.
I also use Sprite Backup as well.
Remove Sim/Sd card
Next , make sure you remove your SD card and simcard before proceeding to apply Olipros unlocker
Unlock
Well you have to unlock your ppc to accept a new ROM.
I haven't done this for a while , but fortunately the process has been made easy by Olipro in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315831
and in german in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=378216
Check Bootloader Screen
Throughout this forum you will be referred to your SPL.
This is the Secondary Program Language and on your unadulterated ppc it will be 1.1
Olipro's original unlocker upgraded this to 1.1x but the unlocker above will change it to SPL 1.2
You can see if this has already been done by putting your phone into the Bootloader screen.
This is done by holding the camera button completely in and then pressing the reset button.
You will now see a red/green/blue and white striped screen telling you the device id and SPL version.
If you see SPL 1.2 , you are good to go to load any SPL 1.2 Rom.
Activsync/Windows mobile device centre.
You need this program to apply updates to your ROM
There used to be a problem with earlier versions of these programs not recognising WM6 ROMS.
This problem is easily solved by updating these programs
Upgrading Radio
No there is no FM radio on the Athena, this refers to the operating System radio that operates the phone/wifi/gps etc
This is important to know as AP4 needs at least radio 1.50 (and maybe WM6.1roms)
Upgrading the radio proceeds the same way as a rom upgrade
version1.58 is here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409271
version1.57 is here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372904
Where to find a ROM
Fortunately Sergiopi has collected and sorted them here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397518
Walk me through the Process
1.backup data
2.remove sim and SD card,apply hard reset and wait till full initialization complete before connecting to pc.
3.establish Activsync connection
4.ensure no background program running, antivirus, firewall and etc. before executing flash command.
5 start the unlocker and follow the instructions.
6.reboot phone and make sure you still have activesync
7.**Update the ROM to an SPL appropriate rom according to what appears on your bootloader screen**
following the above protocol
Great!
Now you should have a new ROM to play with!
And play with it you should !
But I want to try an SPL3.5 ROM!
OK if you got this far You should be able to do this.
**First step is to install AP4**
At the moment there is only 1 foolproof way to do this and this is to use the Athena Updater
But first read the upgrade Guide Please Here http://www.htc-hackers.com/uploads/AP4_How_To_1.8.pdf
It is very detailed and I recommend following it exactly !!
This is the link to the athena Updater
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387409
Now I want to go back to SPL 1.2
Ok. this is possible
see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=405604
Need to know more or Stuffed the Flash?
Don't worry , nearly everyone here has made a mistake but been able to recover.
Read the wiki and/ or search the forum
If you have any suggestions to change What I have written ,post a reply.
Advanced:SD Card Flashing
Rather than using Activesync/WMDC it is possible to flash using the SD Card
from the athena Wiki (a good source of info)
"Rename the .NBH file to ATHEIMG.nbh and copy it to your miniSD card. Press camera+soft reset to bootloader and wait for reading ATHEIMG.nbh from SD. Remember, the miniSD card must be formatted with a FAT32 filesystem before copying the file ATHEIMG.nbh to your miniSD. After finished, do a soft reset."
this doesn't work with SDHC cards .
reserved 2
Thank you very much,
Because the knowledge in this community is so high, sometimes pleople like me are afraid of writing some type of questions.
This way it will be easy.
"Sticky" please.
fantastic, a thread like this should be made part of the sticky topics!
cheers
Beautiful guide
Yes, is special for a noobs like me and others nice guide thanks.
bump
may help stop a few questions
thanks 1000000 times
now i won't be afraid of upgrading my athena
This really should be made a sticky.
I know when I first visited this forum, it was overwhelming. So many bits of pieces of info everywhere. Very hard for a new person to come in and make sense of it all.
Great guide lakeman.
Unlock Advantage x7501
Hey. I bought an unlock advantage X7501 windows 6.0 professional to HTC company last year. I can not watch videos on internet and you tube. What should I do? Please help me. Thank you
Maencaru said:
Hey. I bought an unlock advantage X7501 windows 6.0 professional to HTC company last year. I can not watch videos on internet and you tube. What should I do? Please help me. Thank you
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you need to learn a few skills like reading the wiki and then doing a search of the forum.
also this question has nothing to do with the title of this thread.
The problem you talk about is not confined to the X7501 and i refer you to a sticky in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387986
At the top of the forum is a new section called question and answers and I suggest you look there as well
I had unlocked my device and upgraded radio version to 1.58. Different Roms tested , last was Michy 5.1.
For variuos reason I had to reinstall the Original HTC Rom and again everything was working succefully.
Now I would like to reinstall Michy Rom 6.1 and once I enter the bootloader the screen is showing:
ATHENE 100 IPL-v1.00 ( standard)
as well as one line below
ATHENE 100-SPL-v1.20 Olipro
In order to avoid to brick my device my question is:
I can flash the Michy Rom straight or I still have to repeat the unlock procedure since the beginning again?
Thanks and regards
chevyc5ls1
chevyc5ls1 said:
Now I would like to reinstall Michy Rom 6.1 and once I enter the bootloader the screen is showing:
ATHENE 100 IPL-v1.00 ( standard)
as well as one line below
ATHENE 100-SPL-v1.20 Olipro
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You can only flash SPL 1.2 ROMs and last time I looked Michy 6.1 was only SPL3.5.
You would need to upgrade to AP4 first as outlined in my first post
lakeman said:
You can only flash SPL 1.2 ROMs and last time I looked Michy 6.1 was only SPL3.5.
You would need to upgrade to AP4 first as outlined in my first post
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Indeed for the time being Michy 6.1 is for Spl 3.5.
Thanks a lot for Your support
ciao
chevyc5ls1
lakeman said:
Rather than using Activesync/WMDC it is possible to flash using the SD Card
from the athena Wiki (a good source of info)
"Rename the .NBH file to ATHEIMG.nbh and copy it to your miniSD card. Press camera+soft reset to bootloader and wait for reading ATHEIMG.nbh from SD. Remember, the miniSD card must be formatted with a FAT32 filesystem before copying the file ATHEIMG.nbh to your miniSD. After finished, do a soft reset."
this doesn't work with SDHC cards .
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Can you do the same thing from the microdrive?
kramerica2 said:
Can you do the same thing from the microdrive?
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not that I am aware of
update rom and radio
Can someone help me? I have updated my dell axim rom many times but in the case of athena (u1000) i am afraid to do it because it is also a phone. I am not sure whether the radio 1.58 is applicable world wide mobile phone network or is it just in the united states. I live in Malaysia and we have several mobile phone network providers like digi, celcom and maxis.
Also should the radio be updated first or the rom first? Thanks
cphilip said:
Can someone help me? I have updated my dell axim rom many times but in the case of athena (u1000) i am afraid to do it because it is also a phone. I am not sure whether the radio 1.58 is applicable world wide mobile phone network or is it just in the united states. I live in Malaysia and we have several mobile phone network providers like digi, celcom and maxis.
Also should the radio be updated first or the rom first? Thanks
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Radio 1.58 works everywhere as far as I know and is not carrier specific.
I could not get mms to work.
You need to upgrade to radio 1.5 at least to load AP4 and I think people had troubles if they used an earlier radio with WM6.1 roms.
So I guess it would be best to upgrade the radio first.
Thanks
Thanks lakeman,
Thanks for your clear clarifications about the radio updates and the AP4 Roms.
i am beginning to feel confident again about updating my u1000. I have read so much about michy's rom and a few others. The official rom in my device is stable but might be a bit slow if i were to compare to my axim x51 using the latest L11 rom from Lenny.
The joy of having responsive roms made me reluctant to sell of my dell axim even though I am using my u1000 most of the time now. I wonder if anyone had sold off their previous axim after using u1000 (athena x7500) and regretted.
But if i must use my u1000 which has features that no other ppc has namely the large screen, i would like to have better roms than the official roms.
Thanks to all here who have contributed so much to improve the athena!
lakeman
your instruction seems the most easy to follow (at least for me)
So i am itching to try upgrading my dopod u1000 here in malaysia.
So if i just want to upgrade the radio 1.57/58
I have to
1. do the unlocking using olipro (3 steps)
2. remove sd card and sim
3. connect to pc using activesync
4. install the radio and
5. hard reset (will be done automatically)
CORRECT?
If i want to upgrade to a say michy rom
1. do the unlocking (3 steps)
2. remove sd and sim
3. connect to my notebook (activesync)
4. install radio
5. hard reset
6. connect to notebook (activesync)
7. click on the say michy new rom installer on notebook
8. follow til the end
9. hard reset (automatically will be done)
10. NEW UPGRADED ROM!
Am i correct?
Thanks!!!
(Any recommendations regarding ROMS for a start if a newbie like me wants a the fast u1000 but as plain as possible so that i can choose what to install later?)