Hi,
This is just a sum up of my last two day's experience flashing my Athena.
When I got it from eBay, it hat the german WM5 installed. Though I speak German, I did not want a german Firmware, so I installed Michy's WM6.1.
I was quite happy with it, but one thing annoyed me: on the original WM5, I could scroll in IE by tilting the device and Opera worked quite well, too.
On Michy's firmware, that functionality lacked somehow.
What I never got used to, was the huge size of icon's and menu's, so I started to use RealVGA. Unfortunatly the phone dialer doesn't like it, so I had to install an alternative software for it.
Over all, the phone worked pretty OK.
Because I got the swine flue, I had some extra time on my own, specially inbetween the fevers and so I decided to try out AP40, specially in order to get the SPL35 done for future WM6.5 releases.
1) AP40
The install went through fine and I had no problems.
First thing I checked was WIFI, because of the dreaded MAC-loss, but WIFI worked straight ahead.
I finished syncing, rebuilding all links in Start Menu and was happy about the new firmware...
...until I tried to switch on WIFI again. It could see my AP's, but Athena would not connect to any.
2) WM6.5
Because I did not find any fix for that, but found a few posts of others complaining about the same problem with AP40, I moved on and installed avengerpenguin's WM6.5.
While the ROM is great and the only bug I noticed was the wrong mapping of the FUNCTION key, I discovered something else:
WM6.5 sucks!
Huge icons, in a kind of honeycomb arrangement, making you have to scroll forever until the required icon is found.
Everything slow like hell (and Athena's CPU is fast enough, I would say).
Also, the menu structure is ridiculous. Makes no sense at all.
3) Back to Michy WM6.1
At then end, I went back to the ROM I had in the beginning of this journey. Now I need to rebuild all the Start Menu links (stupid me, I deleted the backup). It's about 30-40 programs I have installed on my SD - what the heck.
Conclusions:
1) AP40 has indeed a WIFI problem besides the missing MAC. This renders AP40 pretty useless to me.
2) WM6.5 sucks big time. I hate it.
3) Not sure if I should try an official WM6.0 ROM, before restoring all links. Curious about IE supporting the tilting to scroll.
4) My next phone will be an iPhone. Yes, I said it. Here is why:
- best browser around
- has some great applications
- best touch screen around
- just works
Perhaps I am getting old, but I do feel frustrated of having to flash all these firmware and none is giving all I need. Each firmware has something great but lacks something else.
Of course it's not the cookers fault - they are doing a great job.
It rather seems that Microsoft and the Provider (not even HTC's fault), just don't seem to give a F*** to their customer's satisfaction.
Example: How can it be possible that a device as the Athena, with such a big screen, has to be put up with the same menu's like a QVGA device? It almost hurts the eye to have such big menu's and icons.
Of course, you can install RealVGA, but then half of the programs don't work properly...
I just hope the company switches provider soon and gives me the option to pay the price difference for the iPhone.
Cheers,
vma
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vma said:
Hi,
This is just a sum up of my last two day's experience flashing my Athena.
When I got it from eBay, it hat the german WM5 installed. Though I speak German, I did not want a german Firmware, so I installed Michy's WM6.1.
I was quite happy with it, but one thing annoyed me: on the original WM5, I could scroll in IE by tilting the device and Opera worked quite well, too.
On Michy's firmware, that functionality lacked somehow.
What I never got used to, was the huge size of icon's and menu's, so I started to use RealVGA. Unfortunatly the phone dialer doesn't like it, so I had to install an alternative software for it.
Over all, the phone worked pretty OK.
Because I got the swine flue, I had some extra time on my own, specially inbetween the fevers and so I decided to try out AP40, specially in order to get the SPL35 done for future WM6.5 releases.
1) AP40
The install went through fine and I had no problems.
First thing I checked was WIFI, because of the dreaded MAC-loss, but WIFI worked straight ahead.
I finished syncing, rebuilding all links in Start Menu and was happy about the new firmware...
...until I tried to switch on WIFI again. It could see my AP's, but Athena would not connect to any.
2) WM6.5
Because I did not find any fix for that, but found a few posts of others complaining about the same problem with AP40, I moved on and installed avengerpenguin's WM6.5.
While the ROM is great and the only bug I noticed was the wrong mapping of the FUNCTION key, I discovered something else:
WM6.5 sucks!
Huge icons, in a kind of honeycomb arrangement, making you have to scroll forever until the required icon is found.
Everything slow like hell (and Athena's CPU is fast enough, I would say).
Also, the menu structure is ridiculous. Makes no sense at all.
3) Back to Michy WM6.1
At then end, I went back to the ROM I had in the beginning of this journey. Now I need to rebuild all the Start Menu links (stupid me, I deleted the backup). It's about 30-40 programs I have installed on my SD - what the heck.
Conclusions:
1) AP40 has indeed a WIFI problem besides the missing MAC. This renders AP40 pretty useless to me.
2) WM6.5 sucks big time. I hate it.
3) Not sure if I should try an official WM6.0 ROM, before restoring all links. Curious about IE supporting the tilting to scroll.
4) My next phone will be an iPhone. Yes, I said it. Here is why:
- best browser around
- has some great applications
- best touch screen around
- just works
Perhaps I am getting old, but I do feel frustrated of having to flash all these firmware and none is giving all I need. Each firmware has something great but lacks something else.
Of course it's not the cookers fault - they are doing a great job.
It rather seems that Microsoft and the Provider (not even HTC's fault), just don't seem to give a F*** to their customer's satisfaction.
Example: How can it be possible that a device as the Athena, with such a big screen, has to be put up with the same menu's like a QVGA device? It almost hurts the eye to have such big menu's and icons.
Of course, you can install RealVGA, but then half of the programs don't work properly...
I just hope the company switches provider soon and gives me the option to pay the price difference for the iPhone.
Cheers,
vma
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HI vma
I must say frankly, you've just expressed the conclusion I have been slowly coming to myself. I have also tried all possible roms and actually never been happy as there's always sth that doesn't work.
Perhaps it's windows mobile. I still hesitate as I'm waiting for a new athena from HTC. But perhaps Iphone is not such a bad idea.
Hi,
When I saw a first reply, I though it was to flame me for my unkind word to WM devices...
I have to admit I was a bit pissed. Afterall it took me two days of flashing, backing up, restoring backups, only to realize that the firmware I had (Michy's WM6.1) wasn't that bad.
During all that I thought I had fried my Athena - it stopped responding and it took me hald an hour to realize that the trick is to hold BOTH the camera and the communications buttons, while doing the reset.
I then reinstalled Michy's ROM again and somehow it has a bug, which must be the reason I had problems in the past: it will produce errors syncronizing.
At the end I thought that after so much efforts and me being in bed anyway, I might as well give the official WM6 from T-Mobile a try.
Well, I just finished shaping it to my desires. Took quite some time, but: tilting works, Youtube works (not inside the browser, but still it works), Opera and IE have nice renderings, allowing to zoom in and out (somehow on Michy's ROM the zoomlevel was always to big).
I think the ROM is now pretty OK. If I knew how to cook ROM's, I would cook it exactly like this.
Does this give me inner peace to take back what I said before?
No.
I am totally disappointed by WM6.5. It just sucks and is a waste of space on any screen with more than 320x200 resolution.
It is a waste on resources (our devices have faster and faster processors, yet WM seems to get less and less responsive).
The most important applications are the internet applications: wtf has IE such a big menu bar on top and bottom?
The list goes on and on and I won't even bother.
To all the cooks: I truly respect and appreciate your work. Please don't get annoyed by my postings. It is not your fault that Microsoft has been producing such a bad OS.
To all of you, who did not yet try it: pick an iPhone from someone (not the ones in the shops, specially the ones not connected to the internet) and play with it for 10 minutes... You will understand what I mean:
- you swipe the finger to scroll a page and it like flies under your finger. No resistance or lag whatsoever
- you open a webpage and it loads FAST. You can scroll it, zoom in and out and it just is so responsive
Ok. Enough crying...
Truth is: look at my signature and see that I always liked WinCE devices a lot... Shame the evolution seemed to have gone the wrong way.
Cheers,
vma
vma said:
Because I did not find any fix for that, but found a few posts of others complaining about the same problem with AP40, I moved on and installed avengerpenguin's WM6.5.
While the ROM is great and the only bug I noticed was the wrong mapping of the FUNCTION key, I discovered something else:
WM6.5 sucks!
Huge icons, in a kind of honeycomb arrangement, making you have to scroll forever until the required icon is found.
Everything slow like hell (and Athena's CPU is fast enough, I would say).
Also, the menu structure is ridiculous. Makes no sense at all.
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Maybe I can answer some of your issues with 6.5, the function key, is close to being fixed just needs some work on the keyboard map posted by xtep in the x7510 section.
The icons/menu can be fixed to an extent, not sure how though, it is possible to get smaller icons etc 4 or 5 across but I havent had time to research it fully as yet, also I have used some 6.5 roms for my blackstone that manage to use the old 6.1 menu system.
Now the biggest possibly hardest issue is the speed, I believe that most of the issues come from the fact that we do not have a native 6.5 memory kernel for the athena, which gives an additional 2 32mb memory slots to the OS, I am no expert but I think it is possible to port a memory kernel to the athena but this exceeds my capabilities and I am yet to find someone who can do it.
This would give us the greatest increase in speed etc, whilst my roms are optimized as far as I am capable there is still a long way to go.
However with this said I do agree with you winmo 6.5 is not that fast, not as fast as it should be with a 624mhz processor. When you compare it to something like android or Iphone it really seems to show its age/limitations
for me the R0 6.1 ROM has given me the most speed of ANY ROM out yet. It also has no bugs that I can see. Mem after a reset is 70MB and I think this goes a long way to giving the most speed.
I also want to make sure I'm not misunderstood, I think all the cooks on here have done incredible things given the constraints this OS gives them and my hats off to all of you that put so much time into developing new ROMs.
One other issue I think has hampered overall speed and usefullnes is the lack of a good driver for the graphics chip in the athena. I don't think we have ever had full access to it so rendering could be greatly improved thus making the speed that much better.
mietulok said:
HI vma
I must say frankly, you've just expressed the conclusion I have been slowly coming to myself. I have also tried all possible roms and actually never been happy as there's always sth that doesn't work.
Perhaps it's windows mobile. I still hesitate as I'm waiting for a new athena from HTC. But perhaps Iphone is not such a bad idea.
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I'm with you there. I have actually purchased a MacBook Pro to replace my old Toshiba Satellite 5105 s702 recently. Even though I installed XP (dual boot) on the MacBook Pro, I found myself using OS X on it more than XP. I plan to do the same (buy an iPhone) when my Athena dies. Micro$oft has lost control of their hardware vendors who have no interest in long term support/loyalty building and only interested in taking customers' money and run.
our dear athenas
"I am no expert but I think it is possible to port a memory kernel to the athena but this exceeds my capabilities and I am yet to find someone who can do it."
avengerpenguin,
Like sb else has written here, I also don't want to be misundersood as I have a lot of respect for all the cooks here, and especially for you as I have been following your work on win 6.5 ROM. If there were more guys here with so much enthusiasm, perhaps we wouldn't be moaning about windows mobile.
Anyway I still use a cooked rom so even with some minor bugs we can at least partly enjoy our athenas. I guess HTC has just forgotten about probably the most loyal user group - athena owners. I have had mine for almost 3 years and got used to it so much that it's a pain for me to think that there may come the time when I'll have to replace it.
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Hello, I'm kinda new to the forum, although I've been reading a lot, as well as downloading and flashing a few roms onto my phone.
I'm writing this thread with a pretty basic but complicated question (sorry for the oxymoron). Let me begin by saying, I'm what you'd call a heavy electronics user. That means I get something and then I use the stuffing out of it, testing to see it's limits. That also means I spend a lot of time trying new software to see what my devices can do.
The Athena has been one hell of a cool device from day one, and the day I actually figured out how to install new ROMs onto it, was the day it really opened up for me. My problem now is, I need a rom which supports such behavior. I'm finding that the roms I've tried so far, all have a problem of their own. Some sort of bug or glitch which kinda dampens the experience.
In AP4, it was good, but I noticed some incompatibilities with programs I used on the original rom. I then tried AP5 beta. This rom is MUCH quicker, however it's very proned to freezing during video playback using coreplayer and now my mediaplayer won't play anything, it just likes to freeze and force a hard reset.
I am about to try Michy's 6.1 SPL3.5. I'm curious to know whether this one is more stable than the 1.2 version or not. Compatibility is a big issue with me. As I said before, I use a lot of different apps and games on my phone, I find it fun to experiment a lot and push the phone for a (look what it can do) feeling of pride.
I suppose one of the problems I'm facing is that my expectations of smoothness are a bit high (I had two iphones before this) so I tend to notice lag and choppiness as well as incompatibility. I'm not saying I'd like to get an iphone again, because frankly, I'm tired of that trendy piece of junk. I like the community here on XDA and the amount of options available for this phone thanks to all the people on these forums.
I would really appreciate some feedback from the other users (and even developers if they'd care to share) as to which ROM would be best suited to a user the likes of which I've just described to you.
Many many thanks in return, and also, happy new year to all of you.
Caid.
Welcome
Hello and welcome to the forum
The first thing I will say to you about cooked roms is they are in a constant state of trial. I doubt there is a cooked rom out there that doesn't have a bug or two, but when you put them beside a stock rom then you start to see how advanced they are. we tend to take a stock rom as perfect but they are far from it. I tend to think of roms like a piece of art, they are never finished, they just get to a point that is just about right. I never fails to amaze me the time and trouble the cooks of our forums go to, to make these roms for others to use. never be shy to use the donate button, just think what you would need to pay to get this servce in a retail world and always be ready to give constructive feedback.
Michy has turned out some superb work and I for one keep going back to his R4.1 rom as it seems to have the most stable features. having said that there is little to choose between any of them in terms of reliability. He has not long ago brought out a clean rom HERE that may suit you to try out software on.
In the end my own advice would be keep trying different roms and you will soon find a favourite cook and rom to use. SPL 3.5 just means you get more space to put things on a rom, I cant say that either 3.5 or 1.2 is more stable than the other.
Good luck
Regards
Jay
responderman said:
Hello and welcome to the forum
The first thing I will say to you about cooked roms is they are in a constant state of trial. I doubt there is a cooked rom out there that doesn't have a bug or two, but when you put them beside a stock rom then you start to see how advanced they are. we tend to take a stock rom as perfect but they are far from it. I tend to think of roms like a piece of art, they are never finished, they just get to a point that is just about right. I never fails to amaze me the time and trouble the cooks of our forums go to, to make these roms for others to use. never be shy to use the donate button, just think what you would need to pay to get this servce in a retail world and always be ready to give constructive feedback.
Michy has turned out some superb work and I for one keep going back to his R4.1 rom as it seems to have the most stable features. having said that there is little to choose between any of them in terms of reliability. He has not long ago brought out a clean rom HERE that may suit you to try out software on.
In the end my own advice would be keep trying different roms and you will soon find a favourite cook and rom to use. SPL 3.5 just means you get more space to put things on a rom, I cant say that either 3.5 or 1.2 is more stable than the other.
Good luck
Regards
Jay
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hehe thanks. I think that my clean is good for your need: it has not any add-in that can disturb other software. No additionals dlls too (only WMP HTC's codecs). This bring to his users a fast bootup time, and a fast response. (+ a lot of free ram!)
Michy's rom
Of all the roms I've tried so far (5 cooked roms to date) Michy's was the most stable, however, my gprs internet doesn't work with that rom. It's the same situation with the official English rom, whereas the official Chinese rom worked for gprs. I'm in China, and I have ChinaUnicom, so for some reason, with certain roms, I'm unable to use the gprs internet.
If I could get around this problem, I'd be going through all of Michy's roms, looking for the most suitable one for me. I just signed up with a very high priced mobile internet monthly package, so I must take advantage of it.
I guess I could always ask, is there any fix for this problem other than completely changing the rom? AP roms allow me to use the gprs, but michy's and official English ones do not.
Caid.
BTW, All the roms on here really are like art, and I absolutely love my phone if only for all the work that the developers on here are doing. You guys rock!
Hello again
GPRS and such like are ALWAYS FINE with all of Michy's roms. Out of interest, you are using the Network wizard app to set up your country and provider in connections settings??? 3g and high speed data are no problem either if your country supplies them
Regards
Jay
response to all gprs works.
The situation is as follows. When I have AP anything on here (3-5beta) the gprs automatically detects as soon as the rom is finished setting up and the sim card is installed, it just brings up a notification saying it's there.
For Michy's 6.1 rom, all the fields were empty as far as provider and settings are concerned. Granted, my phone seems to think I'm with another company (as the name of the ISP on my cellphone is the wrong one) but I can still get on the network.
I've set the settings on Michy's ROM to no avail, I just can't get on.
Caid.
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Did it work before with official roms ? Have you tried their GPRS network with another device ?
I'm asking this because from what I remember China Unicom historically had a CDMA network and is late compared to China Mobile on the GPRS/EDGE deployment. So areyou sure that GPRS by Unicom is available in your area ?
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hello again
Ok, I wrote my last reply at 4 in the morning my time, so perhaps it was a bit confusing.
I have a China Unicom account, NOT a China Mobile one. When I bought the phone, it was all in Chinese. I paid the seller to put an English rom on it (I didn't know how at the time). When the OS was Chinese, it brought up a notification as soon as I put in my sim card, that said, setting up gprs network. Continue? I clicked yes, and there it was, gprs network (edge in fact).
The phone called it ChinaMobile, although I don't imagine it's possible for a Unicom user to use China Mobile's gprs. The card is not CDMA, and therefore I would be unable to use CDMA network regardless (even the phone can't use CDMA.)
After installing the English ROM at the store, the guy who did it told me I wouldn't be able to use cellphone internet. Of course, he told me in Chinese, and I don't understand enough Chinese to really know why.
After I installed AP4 on it, it suddenly found the network again, same with AP network 5 beta. However, when I installed Michy's clean 6.1 (beautifully stable ROM btw) I wasn't able to get on again. No auto detect, and even after putting in the information from China Unicom, it still wouldn't connect.
There, in a very large nutshell, is my problem.
Caid.
OK I understand your problem now, I just checked my michy rom and youre right, it only has china one on it. the best thing you can do is contact Pawel062 or irus and ask them for THEIR network cab to install, as they know AP 4.0 inside out. pawel062 made AP 4.0 so if anyone has it then he does.
The other answer is load a rom that sets up your phone company and make a note of all the settings in the settings/connections/connections/manage existing connections, the only thing it will not say is the password . Then load them into michy's rom manually. OR ge onto your phone company(google it?) and get them to tell you them, but it has to be down to the last full stop!!!
Hope this helps
Regards
Jay
EDIT: Ok after looking on google, it seems there are so few settings it is more hastle to get a cab than just put them in yourself. experimnt a bit, just get GPRS working before you set up the ROM. then if you need to hard reset, no problems.
Thanks for the help.
I will try to contact the people you mentioned for a cab file.
I just want to ask, where should I try to contact them, and what exactly should I ask for? I'm worried that I'll waste the little time that they may help me by putting their help to work in the wrong method, or for the wrong thing.
I am REALLY excited to use Michy's ROM, because the AP5 beta rom that I am using freezes about 5 times a day (more if I try to do too much).
Thanks again for the help so far, and any help you offer in the future.
Caid.
Thanks.
Jay, thank you for your help. After reading what you wrote, it broke down a mental barrier I had about being able to connect. After being told that I could not connect by the people who installed my first ROM, I guess I complicated things more than I should have and wasn't able to see what to do.
Your suggestions have led me to be able to connect to the network using Michy's ROM. It has also given me more questions I will need to find answers to on my own, mainly, why does the network require settings from the opposing company. I am only able to access the net if I use the settings (including the address "cmnet") from the competition. I am now wondering if my phone is accessing their internet, and if so, how much money this will end up costing me if things aren't in sync.
I didn't think it would be possible to get on the net through the other company, but now I am wondering if that is so. I guess I have some work to do.
Anyway, regardless, you've helped me answer some major questions, and you've also helped me open my phone to more roms. My main thing here is stability and use, and now I can have both of those.
Again (third time?) Thank you greatly, and thank you Michy for an amazingly solid rom.
Caid.
Caid444 said:
Jay, thank you for your help. After reading what you wrote, it broke down a mental barrier I had about being able to connect. After being told that I could not connect by the people who installed my first ROM, I guess I complicated things more than I should have and wasn't able to see what to do.
Your suggestions have led me to be able to connect to the network using Michy's ROM. It has also given me more questions I will need to find answers to on my own, mainly, why does the network require settings from the opposing company. I am only able to access the net if I use the settings (including the address "cmnet") from the competition. I am now wondering if my phone is accessing their Internet, and if so, how much money this will end up costing me if things aren't in sync.
I didn't think it would be possible to get on the net through the other company, but now I am wondering if that is so. I guess I have some work to do.
Anyway, regardless, you've helped me answer some major questions, and you've also helped me open my phone to more roms. My main thing here is stability and use, and now I can have both of those.
Again (third time?) Thank you greatly, and thank you Michy for an amazingly solid rom.
Caid.
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Hi caid
You are very welcome, i've been there, got the t-shirt, read the book. so I know how frustrating it can be to struggle on something, but its great to get there. Could it be the that the two companies share Internet?? I cant see how they could charge you if it was another company, and I don't see how you could connect to it if it was not from your own phone company. As for Michy roms, I've tried them all and for a straight forward rom with everything working I would recommend 4.1 a Vista type. An XP type one is 1.88, and his latest 6.1 is very flash!
Have fun
Jay
Thanks for the advice.
I've been using Michy's 6.1 clean for about a week. I have noticed it isn't very compatible with the htc task manager, and tends to do some weird glitch where the task manager becomes unresponsive and instead reroutes me to the time and date. I think I'll uninstall that app and try another. Any suggestions on what I should use to manage running programs?
Aside from that, I'm interested in finding a rom that makes the phone look quite different. I think what I'm most interested in is seeing my phone surprise me. I love Michy's ROM so far, it's fast and very efficient, but I still want to see some flashiness on this 628mhz beast I call a phone. Any suggestions would be great.
Again, thanks for all the support so far from all of you (namely Jay and Michy). If it weren't for you, this phone would be a whole lot more vanilla.
Caid.
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To be more specific about what I'm trying to do, I really want to make my friend's iphone look functionless and linear compared to my phone I feel that because this phone is so hacked, there must be a ROM out there that really changes it's looks from a wm6 device to a more custom interface.
You can use spb shell or maybe other programs that I'm not aware of. That's the beauty of winmo, you can install your programs of choice !
Caid444 said:
I've been using Michy's 6.1 clean for about a week. I have noticed it isn't very compatible with the htc task manager, and tends to do some weird glitch where the task manager becomes unresponsive and instead reroutes me to the time and date. I think I'll uninstall that app and try another. Any suggestions on what I should use to manage running programs?
Aside from that, I'm interested in finding a rom that makes the phone look quite different. I think what I'm most interested in is seeing my phone surprise me. I love Michy's ROM so far, it's fast and very efficient, but I still want to see some flashiness on this 628mhz beast I call a phone. Any suggestions would be great.
Again, thanks for all the support so far from all of you (namely Jay and Michy). If it weren't for you, this phone would be a whole lot more vanilla.
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To be more specific about what I'm trying to do, I really want to make my friend's iphone look functionless and linear compared to my phone I feel that because this phone is so hacked, there must be a ROM out there that really changes it's looks from a wm6 device to a more custom interface.
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Thanks for the big up, but its all about helping one another.
Have you tried THIS one that goes with mobile shell, its very good and its freeware. Dont forget to donate if you like it though. You can even make it look like an I-phone if thats your thing. It has clocks, icons, skins wallpapers, and all touchflo. LOL
Have fun
Jay
Honestly, I've searched all day looking for solutions. Apologies if this has been covered, but I really can't find it.
What I want: My Touch Pro to look and work like a native WM 6.1 device. Consistent UI working exactly as MS intended, and I've become used to for the past few phones.
I bought the phone out of contract, ie, it's an HTC branded touch pro, running with a Vodafone UK SIM.
I've tried the bloat-free install, resetting before all the cabs install. This allows me to get 90% WM6.1, but the menu in portrait mode is still HTC-black, crazy-large-scale, without recently accessed programs added at the bottom. Yet the menu in landscape mode is exactly right!?
Also, clicking eg the speaker on the title-bar goes to an HTC branded form-over-function intermediate screen that just irritates me.
I've re-done this install about 5 times today, so I'm pretty sure that there's no way I can stop this piece of HTC customising from installing itself.
I know I may be a bit of a freak, *not* wanting all the fancy skins, but I hate form over function designs. Not a microsoft fan, but even less of an ipod fan ;-)
Many thanks in advance for any non-barbeque replies.
Need to look harder. Read the first post on some roms. You might try Da_G's roms as i know he releases them pretty stripped down.
I spent all evening yesterday and all day today and I have still yet to get a satisfactory ROM cooked up. I'm using the ppckitchen.org one. It's pretty straightforward, but I can't get free memory to save my life. I think I managed about 8-9 megs free on a WM 6.1 build and around 6 on a 6.5 build. Not real good. Every ROM gives me a "Low Mem (Camera Enabled)" error on the initial splash screen pretty much every single build I've done. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here. Even through free memory has been low, storage space has been more than adequate, I have barely dipped below 100 MB free storage.
So, yeah, props to all you wonderful ROM chefs out there for doing such a great job and sharing the love with the rest of us.
Now could someone please help me figure out what the bleep I'm doing wrong here? I would, ideally, like a ROM with lots of toys and goodies. Here is what I would like to include (some of these I initially tried loading as OEMs but have managed to track down CAB installers for them so will just do them all afterwards since I can't find a way to put stuff in the extended ROM with this kitchen). My main goal is to make this build as stylus free as possible. To that end, here is my want/need list for it. Please feel free to critique it. I've been out of the loop on this stuff for quite awhile so I'm not sure what programs are currently being recommended and there are way too many for me to try them all out personally so I'm open to suggestions.
WM 6.5
Weather on today screen (using Titanium Weather V3 currently)
Voice Command (have been using 1.6.21040 version in the kitchen but I took it out of the most recent attempt to free up RAM. It isn't critical right now but if I get another BT headset I will definitely want it.)
Sprint Navigation (we're paying for it, might as well have it unless someone knows of a better free app)
Sprint TV (not necessary but would be a plus)
Manila dialer
Finger Friendly KB of some sort (was going to install fingerkb post install)
good selection of ringones (these don't eat up program RAM do they?)
HTC Audio Manager or equivalent finger friendly music player (can the Chrome be made to use this instead of WMP) (This one is not a requirement, I don't do music much on here since I carry a Zune with me but, again, would be a plus)
Newer camera (not the version that comes on the Titan but the newer one that takes better pictures. I saw it in a ROM, not sure which one)
MusicID (post install is fine, have not seen a CAB for it though)
Java (Do I really need this, I don't really run midlets or whatever they're called?)
.net 2.0
Finger friendly browser (Opera? Firefox? are these better than the IE in WM6.5)
Streaming video player (for youtube and all the others)
Office (Excel and Word at the least)
Comm manager (is one better than the others?)
Flashlight (vjcandela or nuelight)
Selection of games (can install those from cabs too)
the new windows live stuff like the voice activated navigation. May not be any count but I want to try it.
any other useful and recommend utilities
WM 6.1
Pretty much the same as above except replace the 6.5 specific chrome stuff with Manila2D and it's configurator and the new browser is more necessary.
Like I said, though, if anyone has any advice I am all ears on this one. If I can get a properly working and stable ROM I will try to upload it for anyone else that wants it as a thank you for the help.
Hey don't quit keep going... I'm sure that the more times you try it eventually you'll get a working rom.
Thanks. I finally got up to about 11 MB with WM 6.5 by leaving Voice Command out. It's not ideal but it is a start. Need to get something to have it close programs instead of leaving them running.
Avatar28 said:
Thanks. I finally got up to about 11 MB with WM 6.5 by leaving Voice Command out. It's not ideal but it is a start. Need to get something to have it close programs instead of leaving them running.
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6.5 has nuekernel
If in low memory mode so that camera will work you loose 5-7mb.
In high memory mode you gain mb but cannot use camera.
My time to cook is coming... I can feel it...
Seems like a lot of work, but well worth it if you pull it off... Keep up your efforts!
2nd those props!
2nd those props!
So far I haven't had a lot of luck with 6.5. It seems that these phones just simply don't have enough RAM to handle it properly and give me everything I want. I guess I will have to go back to 6.1. Although, really, it probably isn't worth my time. A lot of people here at work have been complaining about their Moguls. They want their precious crackberries back (ugh!). So they're getting rid of these and swapping them out now. I'm going to wait as long as possible before I swap mine though. There's sure to be a line and, honestly, I'd just as soon keep my Mogul if I can get it stable. Otherwise I'm gonna have to come up with $350 to buy a new personal phone to feed my WiMo addiction. I can't believe AT&T has jacked up the Fuze to $350 though. Yeesh. I'm tempted to just wait until their next one comes along at this point, hopefully one that will support 6.5 officially.
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So far I haven't had a lot of luck with 6.5. It seems that these phones just simply don't have enough RAM to handle it properly and give me everything I want. I guess I will have to go back to 6.1. Although, really, it probably isn't worth my time. A lot of people here at work have been complaining about their Moguls. They want their precious crackberries back (ugh!). So they're getting rid of these and swapping them out now. I'm going to wait as long as possible before I swap mine though. There's sure to be a line and, honestly, I'd just as soon keep my Mogul if I can get it stable. Otherwise I'm gonna have to come up with $350 to buy a new personal phone to feed my WiMo addiction. I can't believe AT&T has jacked up the Fuze to $350 though. Yeesh. I'm tempted to just wait until their next one comes along at this point, hopefully one that will support 6.5 officially.
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If I read your posts correctly you have found some of the cabs for the programs you want for your build, but I saw no mention of a memory card. Have you tried building your rom and then installing the cabs to the programs you like on the memory card? Not all programs can be installed on the memory card but alot of the ones you have listed can be. I recommend at least a 2 gig. (I have a 4 gig on my phone). Just make sure its not the HC memory cards as they are not compatible with this device. Like I said Im not sure if you have already gone this route but its just a suggestion. Hope this helps.
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If I read your posts correctly you have found some of the cabs for the programs you want for your build, but I saw no mention of a memory card. Have you tried building your rom and then installing the cabs to the programs you like on the memory card? Not all programs can be installed on the memory card but alot of the ones you have listed can be. I recommend at least a 2 gig. (I have a 4 gig on my phone). Just make sure its not the HC memory cards as they are not compatible with this device. Like I said Im not sure if you have already gone this route but its just a suggestion. Hope this helps.
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I have a couple of apps that I have done that with. But, really, the problem isn't storage so much as operational RAM. I finally decided that I could either use WM 6.5 or the camera and that I would rather have 6.5. Putting the phone into high memory mode helped a lot with it, but it still quickly memory leaks down to about 12 megs free. I'm working with the chef of my current ROM over at ppckitchen trying to figure it out. I'm starting to wonder if some of these devices don't have a hardware issue that causes some people to have memory leaks or if it is possibly related to the bootloader (2.40 vs 2.47) because some people seem to have no problem with them while almost every custom ROM I have tried running seems to have a memory leak.
I always want newer and better. Last week I upgraded from dcd's 3.2.6 to 4.1.2. Much faster, better memory, speedy gps locks, and no crashes yet.
I run a few commercial medical reference programs that are a major hassle to load and activate, so it is a pain to keep flashing my phone.
Can anyone comment between how well the 6.5's work vs. dcd 4.1.2
It's a very different animal.
First and foremost, the Today Screen has been completely redone in the default Titanium screen. I'm sure you've seen it around. You can still revert back to the old Today screen with a simple setting adjustment in the Settings Menu.
Secondly, nearly everything features finger friendly scrolling. It's built in with no real need for additional items such as FTouchFLO.
Third, the start menu has been redone to make it look more contemporary. Some people like it, some don't. You can adjust it to your liking by replacing various files.
Fourth, a programmer/PPC junkie going by no2chem introduced something in his 6.1 ROMs called nueKernel which is being implemented into nearly every 6.5 ROM. It allows you to enable or disable the camera temporarily to add more available RAM. Because of this, it's possible to have more free available RAM than you've most likely seen before on the Titan. For example, my ROM (and Ryan's, and most other current 6.5 ROMs) will boot with 25+ meg free.
Fifth, please note that those are most superficial UI adjustments. They are improving things under the hood, too, to make the OS better.
Your best way to compare is by flashing. If you like 6.5, stick with it. If you don't, there are plenty of fantastic 6.1 ROMs to choose from.
if its speed what you want then stay with dcd. no 6.5 has been able to come close to dcd.
on the other hand like btonetbone said a different animal and slower no matter the tweaking.
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if its speed what you want then stay with dcd. no 6.5 has been able to come close to dcd.
on the other hand like btonetbone said a different animal and slower no matter the tweaking.
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I won't argue with this because I don't have benchmarks. DCD's ROMs are extremely fast; I used them all the up through 3.3.something and loved them.
But 6.5 isn't a hog, either. It runs very fast and snappy on my phone, and I have very little complaints regarding speed. Please don't take the above comments as saying the 6.5 ROMs are slow.
compared to dcd 6.5 is slower. i didnt say 6.5 is slow
I'll give you my opinion......... since I played with them all.
I had been running DCD 3.3.4 for 6-8 months until about a month ago when the "tinker bug" kicked in again and I had to flash and play with new ROM's.
I first went to 6.5 ROM's by RyanMogul and a few others both here and on PPCGeeks. All of them are visually stunning, but, all of them ARE slower than ROM's running 6.1
Also, for me, free memory was an issue. 6.5 simply needs more memory than 6.1 and there isn't nothing you can do about it. 6.5 ideally should be run on phones with 128MB RAM or more.
I loved 6.5 for its looks, but, I run programs like SPB Phone Suite, Pocket Weather, Palringo, and others, often simultaneously, and that just wasnt realistic with 6.5 due to low RAM availability.
So I went back to 6.1, and to good old DCD. 4.1.2 is amazing in my opinion. It has major performance and memory management improvements over his previous ROM's. It's incredibly stable, and it IS faster than any other ROM (6.1 or 6.5) I've personally tried out.
It's given my xv6800 some more life. Until the Tour comes out and I jump onto the evil Blackberry bandwagon, 4.1.2 is it for me.
I highly recommend.
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I'll give you my opinion......... since I played with them all.
I had been running DCD 3.3.4 for 6-8 months until about a month ago when the "tinker bug" kicked in again and I had to flash and play with new ROM's.
I first went to 6.5 ROM's by RyanMogul and a few others both here and on PPCGeeks. All of them are visually stunning, but, all of them ARE slower than ROM's running 6.1
Also, for me, free memory was an issue. 6.5 simply needs more memory than 6.1 and there isn't nothing you can do about it. 6.5 ideally should be run on phones with 128MB RAM or more.
I loved 6.5 for its looks, but, I run programs like SPB Phone Suite, Pocket Weather, Palringo, and others, often simultaneously, and that just wasnt realistic with 6.5 due to low RAM availability.
So I went back to 6.1, and to good old DCD. 4.1.2 is amazing in my opinion. It has major performance and memory management improvements over his previous ROM's. It's incredibly stable, and it IS faster than any other ROM (6.1 or 6.5) I've personally tried out.
It's given my xv6800 some more life. Until the Tour comes out and I jump onto the evil Blackberry bandwagon, 4.1.2 is it for me.
I highly recommend.
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Thank you for explaining that so eloquently. I think you've just convinced me to go back to 6.1 after running 6.5 for roughly a month. 6.5 is amazing and very finger friendly, but not the OS for the Titan. Just uses too much memory, no matter what. I've tried different programs to free up RAM and keep me from soft resetting 2 or 3 times a day, but none of them really work. On 6.5 I can almost never run 2 apps at once, unless they are very small. So back to good ol DCD for me. At least until I get a new device! (touch pro maybe )
Just my 2 cents
Currently I am running Mattsm 6.5 23003b and this morning I was running 4 apps and switching between them with enough memory for all of them. I was on a website, Biblegateway, had a java application open, Go Bible by Jolon Faichney, Word 6.1 and Windows Mobile 6.5 Titanium Today (this skin allows both vertical scrolling and on some panes, horizontal movement) which I was using as the switching point to jump back and forth. I have run DCD ROMs in the past and they are great ROMs but if you want to see what is possible with your Titan follow the different developers.
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Thank you for explaining that so eloquently. I think you've just convinced me to go back to 6.1 after running 6.5 for roughly a month. 6.5 is amazing and very finger friendly, but not the OS for the Titan. Just uses too much memory, no matter what. I've tried different programs to free up RAM and keep me from soft resetting 2 or 3 times a day, but none of them really work. On 6.5 I can almost never run 2 apps at once, unless they are very small. So back to good ol DCD for me. At least until I get a new device! (touch pro maybe )
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One thing that DCD kept on repeating with the release of 4.1.2 was that the amount of free memory was determined by what was in the ROM. So you stripped EVERYTHING out and added it later with cabs and you suddenly start with a higher amount of memory from the outset.
I'd love to see Ryan prove this by releasing his "light" rom with a required cab. I bet if the rom didn't have all the the extra ring tones and addons he includes, we'd boot to more than 17.5mb I've available in his wm7 rom.
I'm glad you mentioned you can turn off the new today screen. I'm not impressed so far. But the big thing is that my GPS is working again which it never did with DCD's last release.
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One thing that DCD kept on repeating with the release of 4.1.2 was that the amount of free memory was determined by what was in the ROM. So you stripped EVERYTHING out and added it later with cabs and you suddenly start with a higher amount of memory from the outset.
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash.
free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in. however, this is the reason that most htc-written applications run from /windows, and those applications would thus would require the same storage memory whether in ROM or not.
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash.
free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in. however, this is the reason that most htc-written applications run from /windows, and those applications would thus would require the same storage memory whether in ROM or not.
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I was just thinking, DCD should change his name to Optimus Prime
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One thing that DCD kept on repeating with the release of 4.1.2 was that the amount of free memory was determined by what was in the ROM. So you stripped EVERYTHING out and added it later with cabs and you suddenly start with a higher amount of memory from the outset.
I'd love to see Ryan prove this by releasing his "light" rom with a required cab. I bet if the CAB didn't have all the the extra ring tones and addons he includes, we'd boot to more than 17.5mb I've available in his wm7 rom.
I'm glad you mentioned you can turn off the new today screen. I'm not impressed so far. But the big thing is that my GPS is working again which it never did with DCD's last release.
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Please don't mumble about me incoherently. My ROMs do not use any CABs besides 1.1 Heavy and thats 1 out of 7 ROMs. Version 1.1 Heavy installs Google maps using a cab and M2D via Auto Customization.. Otherwise there is not a single CAB involved in the any other of my ROMs flashing and booting the first time..
The ringtones are not a CAB.. They are added ingredients used while cooking a ROM in a kitchen..
Release my ROM without the required cab...??? wtf.. lol
I know I should include less ringtones but I do the best I can. I don't appreciate my work being examined with a fine tooth comb pointing out any imperfection you can find to take away from its luster..
I release several versions so if you want pretty and loaded, you get that. If you want ugly and slim, you get that too. And a few things in between. Like I said I try.
I will remove some of the ringtones next time I cook and relocate several installs to make sure they stay only in the windows directory because I know what you guys mean.
Some ppl are just dicks. I'm currently running ryans 6.5 the heavy one. He did a great job since I want 6.5 on my mogul till the TP2 comes out. I turned off most of the things I don't need like the new today screen and the camera which I hardly ever use, I'm consistently at over 25mb but I mostly use my phone to get e-mails and txt.
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash.
free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in. however, this is the reason that most htc-written applications run from /windows, and those applications would thus would require the same storage memory whether in ROM or not.
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Hey who's this guy?? Glad to see your alive and well dcd.... Just another thanks for all you've done for the community....
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i think you misunderstood me, or i misspoke. free program memory should be the same whether an application is in rom, or installed post-flash. Free storage memory may be slightly higher when applications are installed via cab after flashing, because any files outside of /windows are duplicated when cooked in.
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Ah, that could fit with what you were saying. Man, now I wish I could find the exact quote. I'd like to better understand what you were saying with this added bit of info. I've searched for about 20 minutes with no luck.
You were responding for the 20th time to someone asking why you'd only released a ROM and one that didn't have games or something in it. I read it to say that if the ROM was smaller and people installed their req software via cabs, in general, everyone would have more free program memory. Which seemed to make sense... I just carried it a little further than you meant, and assumed then that items installed to the device later didn't affect the amount of "ram" available. sigh... I miss the days the memory slider on my old e750 that allowed me to override balance between storage memory and program memory. Anyway, thanks for the additional info.
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Please don't mumble about me incoherently. My ROMs do not use any CABs besides 1.1 Heavy and thats 1 out of 7 ROMs. Version 1.1 Heavy installs Google maps using a cab and M2D via Auto Customization.. Otherwise there is not a single CAB involved in the any other of my ROMs flashing and booting the first time..
The ringtones are not a CAB.. They are added ingredients used while cooking a ROM in a kitchen..
Release my ROM without the required cab...??? wtf.. lol
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Ryan, dude, slow down a minute and read what I actually typed.
I never said anything about your current ROMS requiring CABs nor did I say that you'd released a ROM that was a missing required CAB.
I was talking about doing an experiment, making a test build, to prove a theory about memory usage. Sometimes that's what we do, we try an idea, see if it improves the situation and drop it when it doesn't pan out. Heck, I didn't even expect you to be reading this thread. So, I certainly wouldn't have been criticizing you or your work here.
What worries me more is the "Please don't mumble about me". No one said anything against you. Even if people do say stuff about your works, don't take it as a criticism about you, personally. If you keep doing that, you'll lead a miserable life as a developer.
I know releasing no-cost software on which everyone has an opinion is difficult. But if you are so uptight, so quickly, you really should step back from reading threads for a bit. This place WILL drive you nuts if you let it, but it will happen much faster if you take everything as a judgment of your worth.
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I know I should include less ringtones but I do the best I can. I don't appreciate my work being examined with a fine tooth comb pointing out any imperfection you can find to take away from its luster..
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As explained above, I've never criticized a single feature of your ROM. I mentioned 17.5 free on your heavy ROM with the wm7 extras, but I consider that darn good for your heaviest ROM. I've booted under other roms to 15 something.
And as far as "I don't appreciate my work being examined with a fine tooth comb", well... you should.
Take all the input and critiques you can. After 20 years as a programmer I know bugs happen. I'm not perfect. Making good stuff makes me proud, but I'll tell you now that I won't ever create a perfect piece of complex software on the 1st or 10th go around. If someone points out a problem, then that is a chance for my stuff to be even better, if I decide I want to fix it.
I am now running your 6.1 light version, which I think is incredible. Your roms have resolved several issues I've had with this refurb phone I am now using. And while I am extremely impressed with the level of detail you've gone to(like the fact that you've included the right codecs/dlls for tcpmp to play wma files on 6.1), you should not be surprised that I have found a nit-picky mistake and have some suggestions for you to consider.
I'd not share them here in any case, as it is off topic to this thread, and if it will hurt your feelings or honor for me to post it anywhere, I'll keep the information to myself. At least the one suggestion, will add a missing feature to your ROM, but I'll leave it up to you.
Ok, I've tried out quite a few roms to find that 'dream' rom and been flashing like mad, but one thing I've noticed is that there seems to be something majorly buggy with each one I've tried.
I've gone back to the Cap's Special with Sense 2.1 and WM 6.5 and have finally decided on the 'look' I want, but the virtual keyboard doesn't work properly in phone keypad or compact qwerty, which I really need when typing short, one handed messages on my touch pro. Also in my people tab, the call mobile button doesn't work to instantly call someone, I have to go into more information and call from the WM contact card. Yes it's kind of minor, but really annoying! And I can't find any cabs, fixes or anything that will solve my problem/s..
So I'm just wondering if anyone knows of a STABLE, more or less BUG-FREE and as close to stock-like rom that perhaps meets the following requirements, because I'm about ready to give up the search.. :\
- WM 6.5 (not 6.5.x) with the stock all black top and bottom and all white softkey buttons and icons.
- HTC Sense 2.1
- Start menu with original icons, nothing too fancy and messed with
- ALL virtual keyboards working properly, in both normal AND landscape mode
- Call mobile button in People tab that WORKS
Basically, I just want a stock rom with WM 6.5 and Sense 2.1 that doesn't have any major problems and can be used in landscape mode. How hard is that???
I'm kinda new to the TP ROM scene, so please forgive my ignorance and impatience. But I just want a WORKING rom, that's all. There doesn't seem to be as many out there as I thought there'd be, and so far have been very disappointed with what I've tried. Any advice or fingers pointed in the right direction would be most appreciated. Thanks!
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Ok, I've tried out quite a few roms to find that 'dream' rom and been flashing like mad, but one thing I've noticed is that there seems to be something majorly buggy with each one I've tried.
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Well sorry to disappoint you but this is windows we are talking about and these forums are created for one reason, to try and make the mobile software better, wich obvious isn't working out that good.
Will never buy a phone with windows mobile os again.
Hopefully Linux or Android will work good with this phone some day.
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So I'm just wondering if anyone knows of a STABLE, more or less BUG-FREE and as close to stock-like rom that perhaps meets the following requirements, because I'm about ready to give up the search.. :\
- WM 6.5 (not 6.5.x) with the stock all black top and bottom and all white softkey buttons and icons.
- HTC Sense 2.1
- Start menu with original icons, nothing too fancy and messed with
- ALL virtual keyboards working properly, in both normal AND landscape mode
- Call mobile button in People tab that WORKS
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Lookie here mate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=561158
Now download the "v4.21898 LD : [DOWNLOAD] - Leo Dialer"
and you will pretty much have what you need.
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Well sorry to disappoint you but this is windows we are talking about and these forums are created for one reason, to try and make the mobile software better, wich obvious isn't working out that good.
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these forums have made the mobile software much much better. i have only thanks and appreciation for the hard working chefs here. please take the negativity elsewhere.
k.electron said:
Lookie here mate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=561158
Now download the "v4.21898 LD : [DOWNLOAD] - Leo Dialer"
and you will pretty much have what you need.
these forums have made the mobile software much much better. i have only thanks and appreciation for the hard working chefs here. please take the negativity elsewhere.
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I have attempted to use the Tael ROMS in the past myself, I can attest to their brokenness. I tried the new ones last night. While they are the 2nd or 3rd best "Sense" ROMS I have tried, they suck on the Fuze. In short, the Fuze was not meant to run 6.5, or Sense, or...much anything other than 6.1 and the phone application. Running much else, takes too much CPU power.
So far, the "perfect" ROM I have found for the Fuze is a base, OEM-like 6.5.x, and loading on my own customizations. Trying to run Sense/Manila is pointless on these devices. Unless you just like to look at the pictures and soft reset after every application you use.
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Here's the ROM I use: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=580429
It's 6.5.X, no Sense/Manila, very stable, fast, and my only complaints (with older versions) was to get GPS working with Google Maps, and Sync (which is a WinMo/Vista/7 compatibility issue and unrelated to the ROM). I am partial to speed, functionality, and reliability. This ROM does that. I then install the apps I want on top of it. haven't tried out the Kitchen version yet to build my own.
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if you want stability, use NRG rom 21898 version with cookie home tab, literally NO bugs (after you instal a cab for the volume ctrl cause the one cooked in is messed up). I highly recommend you make the switch to 2.5 sense, I thought that is was less stable, but I was very wrong. The sense 2.5 builds are more stable then the 2.1 ones, also, with cookie hometab you get INSANE customization of your homescreen as well as fluid graphics. Overall, i cannot find a single bug in the latest nrg roms. Hope this helped
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I have attempted to use the Tael ROMS in the past myself, I can attest to their brokenness. I tried the new ones last night. While they are the 2nd or 3rd best "Sense" ROMS I have tried, they suck on the Fuze. In short, the Fuze was not meant to run 6.5, or Sense, or...much anything other than 6.1 and the phone application. Running much else, takes too much CPU power.
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I actually then the 6.5.5 roms with sense 2.5 and my phone works flawlessly. never crashes, and its quite zippy. sure the battery life isnt more than 2 days but i have 5 email boxes syncing on 3g all day.
energy roms are good, but i dont like the fact that they keep changing the basics between every rom, sometimes its opera 9.7, sometimes 10, sometimes beejive, sometimes palringo. tael has a much slimmer base and just the apps that work well. and u get to have the swype keyboard.
i vote him hands down. and u can get the 21898 version which has the start on top.
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Well sorry to disappoint you but this is windows we are talking about and these forums are created for one reason, to try and make the mobile software better, wich obvious isn't working out that good.
Will never buy a phone with windows mobile os again.
Hopefully Linux or Android will work good with this phone some day.
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Works fine for me. I vote user error in your case. I probably won't buy a phone with win mobile again either, but that has more to do with the movement of application support towards android and iphoneOS, than to do with win mo.
Thanks for the advice guys. Much appreciated!
Yeah I'm sticking with Cap's Special still I think.. wish I had the skill, time and the patience to cook my own ROM, but I think it'd end up just as buggy if not more so than others I've tried. Eh..
I probably won't buy another WinMo phone again either, unless WM7 lives up to my expectations, which knowing M$, most likely won't.. I am NOT however going to join the iPhone cult, I simply refuse!
But my old Nokia 3600 slide is looking more and more appealing again.. lol.
Keep up the good work though!
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I can at the very least solve your one handed typing issues....get Swype! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604949 It is awesome, as previously mentioned. And I am a fan of Energy ROMs myself, but if you want everything perfect, you might wanna try a little home cooking...
jiwas78 said:
Thanks for the advice guys. Much appreciated!
Yeah I'm sticking with Cap's Special still I think.. wish I had the skill, time and the patience to cook my own ROM, but I think it'd end up just as buggy if not more so than others I've tried. Eh..
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Good choice sticking with Cap's Special ROM.
His 21898 Build is by-far the fastest & most stable ROM I've used... And I've been through the GenY, Energy, and TAEL ROMS... none of them compare.
JoeUsername said:
I have attempted to use the Tael ROMS in the past myself, I can attest to their brokenness. I tried the new ones last night. While they are the 2nd or 3rd best "Sense" ROMS I have tried, they suck on the Fuze. In short, the Fuze was not meant to run 6.5, or Sense, or...much anything other than 6.1 and the phone application. Running much else, takes too much CPU power.
So far, the "perfect" ROM I have found for the Fuze is a base, OEM-like 6.5.x, and loading on my own customizations. Trying to run Sense/Manila is pointless on these devices. Unless you just like to look at the pictures and soft reset after every application you use.
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Here's the ROM I use: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=580429
It's 6.5.X, no Sense/Manila, very stable, fast, and my only complaints (with older versions) was to get GPS working with Google Maps, and Sync (which is a WinMo/Vista/7 compatibility issue and unrelated to the ROM). I am partial to speed, functionality, and reliability. This ROM does that. I then install the apps I want on top of it. haven't tried out the Kitchen version yet to build my own.
Stephen
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As previously said here try an Energy Rom with 2.5 an Cookie. And speak latter.
I'm have been using Energy Roms months and never has do a soft reset due a hang or memory problem.
btw last version (2nd May) is completly perfect. No one isue.