Has anyone tried changing there phone online using a different esn to a previous phone, then dropping the pda package? Im curious as this may be a cheap way for me to get a spare "Free" 9/month Droid Eris to test on.
Won't Work.
FireSokar said:
Has anyone tried changing there phone online using a different esn to a previous phone, then dropping the pda package? Im curious as this may be a cheap way for me to get a spare "Free" 9/month Droid Eris to test on.
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No it will not work because Verizon automatically adds either the 29.99 Data package or the 44.99 data plan. My wife works at Verizon and she can't even change the feature because it overrides it.
What the $45 data plan? I thought the $30 one was the unlimited one? No?
Im talking about a non pda phone, im simply wanting to register it to a basic phone then drop that package from that phone only. If its not a pda phone on there I dont see how verizon can force it to have the package.
Just for clarification im wanting to start off with two eris phones, change swap ESN's to a non pda phone. Then use my Eris no longer with service as wifi only / dismantle for testing purps.
FireSokar said:
Im talking about a non pda phone, im simply wanting to register it to a basic phone then drop that package from that phone only. If its not a pda phone on there I dont see how verizon can force it to have the package.
Just for clarification im wanting to start off with two eris phones, change swap ESN's to a non pda phone. Then use my Eris no longer with service as wifi only / dismantle for testing purps.
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yes you can do that and it will drop the email and web package not a problem
laxattack said:
yes you can do that and it will drop the email and web package not a problem
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From what I recall however, there was a stipulation I read on one of the boards, that you could be subject to a cancelation fee. I don't know how correct it is, or if it is acctually enforced. I seem to remember them instituting this to prevent this exact thing from happening, people get the Buy one Get one then sell the phone.
Like I said I am only realying information I read a few days ago, not sure what it was.
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What the $45 data plan? I thought the $30 one was the unlimited one? No?
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I've talked to a rep about this and the way I understand it, if you have a personal account, unlimited is $30, if you're on a corporate account, the same plan is $45.
$29.99 plan is unlimited ON the device. $45 plan also allows tethering of the device to your computer.
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$29.99 plan is unlimited ON the device. $45 plan also allows tethering of the device to your computer.
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wrong!
$29.99 email and web is unlimited email and web for basic access.
$44.99 is for unlimted email and web with access to corporate email (ie. exchange server, or blackberry enterprise server for blackberrys)
tethering for $29.99 plan is $30.00
and tethering for $44.99 plan is $15.00
Trying to get around the system is not a good idea. It can be quite costly.
FireSokar said:
Has anyone tried changing there phone online using a different esn to a previous phone, then dropping the pda package? Im curious as this may be a cheap way for me to get a spare "Free" 9/month Droid Eris to test on.
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It'll work, I work for Verizon and have done this for many people that just want to get the free Eris on an add a line. Activate your old phone on the line the Eris is on and the data plan will fall off automatically. The system will not allow a 30 dollar web and email plan to attach to a non smart phone. You may have trouble doing this online due to the feature change, but I suggest that you try online first due to stores and customer service frowning on this action as it results in a revenue loss to the company. They also just gave you a free phone for nothing so they will give you a hard time.
If you don't have your old phone PM me and there is another way it can be done.
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wrong!
$29.99 email and web is unlimited email and web for basic access.
$44.99 is for unlimted email and web with access to corporate email (ie. exchange server, or blackberry enterprise server for blackberrys)
tethering for $29.99 plan is $30.00
and tethering for $44.99 plan is $15.00
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Almost right:
$29.99 email and web is unlimited email and web. Exchange and BIS (on Blackberry - Blackberry Internet (Consumer Mail) Server) is available on phones that are natively capable -Android, Palm OS, Web OS Window Mobile and Blackberry for consumer email.
$44.99 is for unlimited email and web with access to BES (Blackberry Enterprise Server) and/or Verizon's Wireless Sync program (If available for your device; WinMobile, not android). VzW's sync program is a bit useless and/or unavailable for most devices though. And the 44.99 plan is USELESS for an Android device.
For more information about wireless Sync: http://www.wsync.com/
Tethering for $29.99 plan is an additional $30.00 and not currently possible for Android
and tethering for $44.99 plan is $15.00 and not currently possible for Android
So, in closing the 44.99 plan is useless unless you have to connect to BES or NEED the Wireless Sync for Smartphones... which 99% of the population will not.
It really depends on the location you get the phone at. For example, I worked for an indirect agent that required an "equipment agreement", basically stating that if you either cancelled service, or stopped using the handset you bought within the first 6 months of service, you were required to return it, but the store I worked at after that did nothing like that. Pretty much, people can get whatever phone they want and do whatever they want with it, but like I said, that is store specific. I would recommend asking your local store what their policies are on it before you actually purchase anything.
Orrrr you could just use an eris on page plus celluar, which leases verizon service. Not against either companies rules and web sites like kitty wireless will take care of the all the activation and setup and b$ like that. This is what i did, i mainly use the data on wifi, and only turn it on for navigation or a quick web search, as i get 50 mb with my 30 dollar 1200 talk/1200 text prepaid plan.
FireSokar said:
Has anyone tried changing there phone online using a different esn to a previous phone, then dropping the pda package? Im curious as this may be a cheap way for me to get a spare "Free" 9/month Droid Eris to test on.
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That would be a silly felony. I prefer to save my felonies for something far more worthwhile.
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That would be a silly felony. I prefer to save my felonies for something far more worthwhile.
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WHy is that a felony? He wants to take the eris off a line, put a non smartphone on the line and drop the data package. I did essentially the same thing when I added a line to get my eris. Took the eris off the new line, put it on my existing line, and put a non smartphone on the new line. Dropped the data off the new line. VZW customer service helped me do this.
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WHy is that a felony? He wants to take the eris off a line, put a non smartphone on the line and drop the data package. I did essentially the same thing when I added a line to get my eris. Took the eris off the new line, put it on my existing line, and put a non smartphone on the new line. Dropped the data off the new line. VZW customer service helped me do this.
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I read it the same way jcase did, not sure if thats what the op meant but it sounded like he wanted to flash an esn to his eris that belongs to a dumbphone. Cloning cell phones is illegal in the U.S.
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FireSokar said:
Just for clarification im wanting to start off with two eris phones, change swap ESN's to a non pda phone. Then use my Eris no longer with service as wifi only / dismantle for testing purps.
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He only wants an Eris to test on... so he's not swapping esn's... he's downgrading one plan in a sense so one Eris can be used to test, USING WIFI only and not 3G
It's sort of what I do, using a G1 and a pre-paid SIM card from t-mobile for testing.. I only use WiFi connected to my home network on this device.
I have a question regarding this topic, i have verizon and im going to be filling BK chp7 in the next month or so, i have 2 droid eris phones and i think i want to sell them. Since i am going to be putting my verizon bill on my BK i dont think they will release my ESN, should i go to Pageplus now or can i too get the service going with them as im going to do a pay as you go type of service. I also found a service online that says they can unlock my phone would this allow me to take the droids else where or even sell them without the new owners having issues getting them up and running?
Heres the link i found for the unlock code, does this stuff work and will it get my phone to be able to sell it or use it without verizon releasing the esn. Forgive me as im new to this whole esn thing.
Its htc unlocker is the website.
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Im talking about a non pda phone, im simply wanting to register it to a basic phone then drop that package from that phone only. If its not a pda phone on there I dont see how verizon can force it to have the package.
Just for clarification im wanting to start off with two eris phones, change swap ESN's to a non pda phone. Then use my Eris no longer with service as wifi only / dismantle for testing purps.
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So basically you want to commit a felony?
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Hey all,
I need some help getting my Eris on the PagePlus network.
http://www.pagepluscellular.com/
I bought my Eris used and with no contract. Clean ESN as well.
I called my local PagePlus office, but they won't have anyone that can program the Eris for another month or so. I can't wait that long.
Does anyone here know what I need to do to get it setup correctly?
The rep mentioned it has something to do with "opera mini" and not actually flashing the phone. Just setting up the info.
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
Even if I have to go through a different office. I just need this setup ASAP!
Also... I am going for the 1,200 Minutes / 1,200 SMS/MMS / 50 MB Data = $29.95 plan. This seems to be their best data plan. Anyone using this service able to use it with the Eris well? I will ONLY download apps and big stuff on my wifi network. I am not a data hog and would only check emails while away from wifi.
Thnx in advance!
~Syn
synaptyc said:
Hey all,
I need some help getting my Eris on the PagePlus network.
http://www.pagepluscellular.com/
I bought my Eris used and with no contract. Clean ESN as well.
I called my local PagePlus office, but they won't have anyone that can program the Eris for another month or so. I can't wait that long.
Does anyone here know what I need to do to get it setup correctly?
The rep mentioned it has something to do with "opera mini" and not actually flashing the phone. Just setting up the info.
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
Even if I have to go through a different office. I just need this setup ASAP!
Also... I am going for the 1,200 Minutes / 1,200 SMS/MMS / 50 MB Data = $29.95 plan. This seems to be their best data plan. Anyone using this service able to use it with the Eris well? I will ONLY download apps and big stuff on my wifi network. I am not a data hog and would only check emails while away from wifi.
Thnx in advance!
~Syn
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Just go on ebay and look for "page plus activation" pay the 1.00 and give the ESN. I have the eris on pp but i cant get mms to work (most likely its me... )
Thnx Joey =) Doing this now =)
WOW! This couldn't have been easier!
I bought an eBay auction for $1.99 because the $1.00 auctions were for new activation with a new number. I ported my number over from Sprint. The auction led me to: www.KittyWireless.com
INCREDIBLE SERVICE!!! She is a one person operation. I know this because she has a LIVE chat thing on her site for answering questions. She handled all the calls and setup between Sprint & PagePlus. All I had to do was supply basic info. Uber easy.
On top of that, she offers a little discount on the normal monthly service! Normal price for the "Talk N Text 1200" is $29.95. My cost was $26.00 ... awesome.
That auction was the BEST $1.99 I ever spent =)
As for the setup of my Eris in the PagePlus network? Simple. From the time I bought the eBay auction and filled out my info on Kitty's website... I was making calls in under 2 hours. All I had to do was wait for her email, put the battery back in the Eris, and dial *22890. Everything works perfectly. Voice, Data, SMS, MMS. No problems at all.
Because of only getting 50MB with the plan, I will use it sparingly. I have access to WiFi 95% of my day. No biggie.
I am really liking this service so far and I HIGHLY recommend www.KittyWireless.com to ANYONE who doesn't want a contract. but DOES want excellent service!!!
(i know... i sound like a commercial... but she is THAT good)
~Syn
synaptyc said:
WOW! This couldn't have been easier!
I bought an eBay auction for $1.99 because the $1.00 auctions were for new activation with a new number. I ported my number over from Sprint. The auction led me to: www.KittyWireless.com
INCREDIBLE SERVICE!!! She is a one person operation. I know this because she has a LIVE chat thing on her site for answering questions. She handled all the calls and setup between Sprint & PagePlus. All I had to do was supply basic info. Uber easy.
On top of that, she offers a little discount on the normal monthly service! Normal price for the "Talk N Text 1200" is $29.95. My cost was $26.00 ... awesome.
That auction was the BEST $1.99 I ever spent =)
As for the setup of my Eris in the PagePlus network? Simple. From the time I bought the eBay auction and filled out my info on Kitty's website... I was making calls in under 2 hours. All I had to do was wait for her email, put the battery back in the Eris, and dial *22890. Everything works perfectly. Voice, Data, SMS, MMS. No problems at all.
Because of only getting 50MB with the plan, I will use it sparingly. I have access to WiFi 95% of my day. No biggie.
I am really liking this service so far and I HIGHLY recommend www.KittyWireless.com to ANYONE who doesn't want a contract. but DOES want excellent service!!!
(i know... i sound like a commercial... but she is THAT good)
~Syn
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So you got mms without doing anything other than activating? I have been unable to get mms working at all... I really think I need my account reset with page plus then.
Just call Page Plus and tell them to activate data / mms on your phone. Usually it's not automatically activated unless you call in and tell them. Likely they will tell you that it is active, or it can't be activated on your phone, just politely insist that they activate it. The CSR's aren't too bright.
I went to kitty and did an ESN reset. That fixed my mms issue.
Just trying to help next time
just pm and ill activate at no charge
I was wondering i have 2 droid eris phones and im going to be leaving verizon but i know they wont clear my esn, since i will be putting my verizon bill in my bankruptcy will i be able to go to Pages plus and use their service, also ive seen companies that UNLOCK your phone will i be able to do that with my eris droids. Im new to all this stuff and trying to figure it out.
tnat1 said:
I was wondering i have 2 droid eris phones and im going to be leaving verizon but i know they wont clear my esn, since i will be putting my verizon bill in my bankruptcy will i be able to go to Pages plus and use their service
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If your phones don't have a clean ESN with Verizon, then they won't have a clean ESN with PagePlus. PagePlus is a Verizon MVNO. You would have to flash your devices to another carrier such as Cricket.
I transferred over my 2 droids to Pages plus from verizon, i took 2 old phones i had and activated them in the place of the droids and kept the data plan. the ESN #s came back clean with Pages plus so i transfered them and activated them and bought airtime they now work on Pages plus.
Now could Verizon come back and block those ESN #s in say a month and could i get kicked off of Pages plus?
Since i now have them active with Pages plus can verizon do anything to those phones or are they untouchable?
tnat1 said:
I transferred over my 2 droids to Pages plus from verizon, i took 2 old phones i had and activated them in the place of the droids and kept the data plan. the ESN #s came back clean with Pages plus so i transfered them and activated them and bought airtime they now work on Pages plus.
Now could Verizon come back and block those ESN #s in say a month and could i get kicked off of Pages plus?
Since i now have them active with Pages plus can verizon do anything to those phones or are they untouchable?
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I don't know if they'll still be able to ban the ESN or not, but if they are able to do this and do it, then you will not be automatically kicked off; you will still be able to use your phone. However, if you ever have to deactivate and reactivate your phone on the network (for an issue or something), you won't be able to get it reactivated.
Rooted?
i have a rooted eris. i called the page plus and they said my esn showed an unknown device. Can i still activate it?
You can activate it. It is unknown because its not officially supported.
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I put an eris on PP when they first came out, worked great. I looking at buying another soon. Now the down side, Verizon changes the access at will regarding what PP can put on their net. If you already have it paid and making calls on PP, they are still allowing this. and the dealer is right, it is as simple as configuring the device to find PP when you go to log on. I have the 1200/1200 on my HTC Ozone and it works perfect. soooo, stay in touch and if i get this eris tonight I will try to get it configured and let you know the steps.
Parrot Bob
There are several great threads on Howardforums regarding how best to set up an Android phone to stay within the 50mb, for those looking for that info. I'm actually here now researching and looking to buy an Eris to activate like this for a friend. Which Rom are most of you using with pageplus and why?
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I don't think any rom really changes anything with page plus. I use celb froyo personally I download launcher pro I like that better than adw which comes with the rom. Just get 3g watchdog and you're good to go!
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I do not mind the pricing of the phone. The only pricing I cannot seem to comprehend is the $45 dollar data plan that is required.
The plan is 2GB, same as AT&T's $25 dollar plan... Even the iPhone gets this same plan.
Why jack up the price on the ATRIX?
Pretty sure that's only if you pick up tethering.
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Is it possible to buy this phone off-contract?
If you're just getting the phone and nothing else (no tethering), does it still require you to change stuff on your account? (would I have to give up my unlimited data for some retarded ATT reason?)
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If you're just getting the phone and nothing else (no tethering), does it still require you to change stuff on your account? (would I have to give up my unlimited data for some retarded ATT reason?)
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I don't know for sure but I would think so.
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Pretty sure that's only if you pick up tethering.
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This.
If you are getting the $45 data plan price from a certain article on theandroidblog.com - it is either a typo, or the writer just didn't know what he/she was talking about.
The official press release/article with the ATT exec stated in the applicable terms that a minimum data plan of $15 is required.
Think about it. I don't know anyone that would pay $45 for 2gb of data.
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Is it possible to buy this phone off-contract?
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A couple of places already are advertising $599 without contract, so apparently it will be available just like every other phone.
eatkabab said:
If you're just getting the phone and nothing else (no tethering), does it still require you to change stuff on your account? (would I have to give up my unlimited data for some retarded ATT reason?)
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AT&T is coding the Webtop app to require a tethering plan to use it on the AT&T network.
If you are ignoring the docks / Webtop use, you can ignore the tethering and keep your current plan.
Rastor said:
AT&T is coding the Webtop app to require a tethering plan to use it on the AT&T network.
If you are ignoring the docks / Webtop use, you can ignore the tethering and keep your current plan.
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This is all conjecture. I haven't seen anything that claims this on any news/blog/rumor site anywhere except people making weird claims on the forums.
The $45 tethering plan will get you an additional 2GB of data come February 13th for a total of 4GB.
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Ok, so the article on The Android Blog was mistyped. That is a relief. a 45 dollar plan would deter anyone from the phone. $25 is better... if only I could keep my nonsmartphone Unlimited plan for $10. :/
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This is all conjecture. I haven't seen anything that claims this on any news/blog/rumor site anywhere except people making weird claims on the forums.
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You need to search a little harder. There are a lot of news sites reporting the pricing. Click HERE for one of them.
Under the section titled "Motorola ATRIX™ 4G" you find this sentence in the third paragraph "The first combines ATRIX 4G and the Motorola Laptop Dock for a promotional price of $499.99 after a two-year service contract and $100 mail-in-rebate after subscription to Data Pro smartphone data plan and tethering add on.". This indicates that to get the package deal you have to sign up for the Data Pro plan which is $25 and the tethering add on which is an additional $20.
If you go down to the quotes section under #3 you see this "Laptop Dock - Firefox browser use with AT&T Mobile Broadband requires Tethering Plan.
". #4 of the same section is indicating that tethered devices require the DataPro Tethering Plan (which at&t could also call using the HD dock tethering).
So all in all, if you're buying the phone by itself, you don't need to change your data plan if you currently have a smartphone data plan. If you are buying one of the docks, be cautious, as they will more than likely require you to change it.
Now here is my speculation on why at&t stated this pricing to news groups and not on their website. They are hoping that the pricing of the atrix will convince a large majority of the people that were excited about it to change their mind and purchase the inspire 4g that comes out next week. They will then release a statement on their website with "revised pricing". Again, my speculation.
Mike, that's still your interpretation of it all. I hear where you're coming from, but it isn't final yet.
ATT told me, both on their Facebook page and from a PR contact, that the HD dock doesn't require the tethering plan. I'm awaiting more detail before I do a more thorough write up on it.
Your last argument about changing pricing purposefully doesn't make much business sense. No one likes to operate in a manner in which they appear to be inept. Do they do it? Sure. Purposefully? I highly doubt it.
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It doesn't require the tethering plan if you stay in Wifi mode when you're docked. Firefox browser use with AT&T Mobile Broadband requires Tethering Plan.
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It doesn't require the tethering plan if you stay in Wifi mode when you're docked. Firefox browser use with AT&T Mobile Broadband requires Tethering Plan.
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Again, that comment is preceded by "3 - Laptop Dock". When asked specifically about tethering and the HD dock (that also uses webtop and firefox), AT&T has said tethering is not required. I have inquired as to the reasoning behind this, and what it all really means. They have yet to respond with anything more than "we'll get back to you as soon as we can".
I have a 5-6 year old media net unlimited plan $20 from AT&T which I got when I was using a Motorola MPX220. After that phone I used unlocked smartphones (tilt - UK version and tilt2 - Australian version).
Is there any way to keep this plan after buying this phone? Can I be grandfathered in or is that only possible with the $30 data plans?
no more media net
you WILL get switched to a $25 plan
fincan said:
I have a 5-6 year old media net unlimited plan $20 from AT&T which I got when I was using a Motorola MPX220. After that phone I used unlocked smartphones (tilt - UK version and tilt2 - Australian version).
Is there any way to keep this plan after buying this phone? Can I be grandfathered in or is that only possible with the $30 data plans?
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Buy the phone with no commitment and you can use it.
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no more media net
you WILL get switched to a $25 plan
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What plan is the $25 plan?
harolds said:
Buy the phone with no commitment and you can use it.
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That is what I did. I have the same plan, if I get a contract I lose my unlimited plan.
No its possible. ATT will recognize your imei number and bump you to a data plan. You have to buy a phone that is not in ATT system such as bell version of atrix. Other wise no chance.
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okay so between James62370 and sl8125, one of you is spreading FUD.
it seems like for one person it works but according to another, it wouldnt. whats up with that?
i have a $10 unlimited data plan for messaging phones that i am currently using with a no commitment TILT2 and the phone prior to that was an iphone 2g.
so James62370, it works? if you buy the phone no commitment?
You wil get switched to a smartphone data plan if you use a smartphone they recognise the imei number of.
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You wil get switched to a smartphone data plan if you use a smartphone they recognise the imei number of.
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That's what I said. Anyways even some n1 user have been switched over. I am just one of those lucky one.
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Ok ... here is how you can see if you can keep your old plan:
Check the features you have on your line ... If you have a feature called "Smartphone Exclusion" then no matter what ... AT&T wont be able to put the required data plans on you line automatically (the $15 or $25 / month)
If you have unlimited texting for the family as well ... then by providing a non-smartphone IMEI for your line you can get unlimited internet for $10/month.
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Ok ... here is how you can see if you can keep your old plan:
Check the features you have on your line ... If you have a feature called "Smartphone Exclusion" then no matter what ... AT&T wont be able to put the required data plans on you line automatically (the $15 or $25 / month)
If you have unlimited texting for the family as well ... then by providing a non-smartphone IMEI for your line you can get unlimited internet for $10/month.
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I can confirm this as well. I spoke to an AT&T rep last night and he explained to me that all of my phones have "Data Exclusion", and that even if I bought the Atrix at the 2-year contract price from AT&T's website, it would not be able to apply a smartphone data plan to my account. I have the Media Net plan on one number with the Tilt 2, and no data on line 2, and I bought the Aria for line 2 and they did not apply any data to it.
He did warn me that if I made any changes to the data features on any phone I MIGHT lose the data exclusion, and that if I bought a phone from an AT&T store the rep might screw up and add the data, since Data Exclusion is such a rare feature, but that if I bought online the system would just leave me alone.
Now I just need to know if "4G" data works on the old Media Net plans.
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Now I just need to know if "4G" data works on the old Media Net plans.
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Theres no real 4g anyways
just use the standard APN that was posted here for "unlimited tethering"
Since I have been on the phone with ATT for the last 3 days it has been one thing after another..first data issues coming from the iPhone they switched me over to a 2GB cap called them up they "fixed it" (basically added the smartphone pack. Yesterday got a few calls at work I let them go to VM...so i thought. Somehow my VM got messed up had to call about that. This morning I didn't get one text from anyone found a bit odd since me and the wife text a lot during work when we can. Checked online I had no text plan??? WTF!?? Called them up and guess what I had an older 1500 text plan they don't offer that so i cant get it...really?? come on ATT I just bought a phone no contract nothing should have changed.
So as of now everything seems ok, still working have a case open for my text plan and have gotten some credit back for the data stuff. But really i should have never gone through this whole mess when all I did was buy a phone out right and put my old sim in it.
sl8125 said:
No its possible. ATT will recognize your imei number and bump you to a data plan. You have to buy a phone that is not in ATT system such as bell version of atrix. Other wise no chance.
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AT&T recognizes the IMEI on all of their iphones. When I put my sim into my friends iphone, it asked me to update my data plan. Obviously, I did not...
It works on the Atrix, though I don't doubt if AT&T knew which phone I had, they would probably want me to upgrade. I asked a rep many years ago, they said I have some sort of legacy feature grandfathered in, but if I make any type of changes to my plan, I would lose it. I cannot remember what they call it. Thus I cannot purchase a phone with an AT&T contract. Pretty lame, but that has been my experience and what I have been told. Not all reps know what they are talking about.
I'm not here to argue with anyone. I know which plan I have, and I know I have an Atrix. All I did was take my sim from my old phone out and put it into my new Atrix and it works without complaining for me to upgrade my data plan.
However, I am not impress with the HSUPA speeds, and it seems everyone has the same issue whether they are on a $30 unlimited plan, or $20 medianet bundle.
I hope this helps, good luck guys!
Well, I don't see anything called "Smartphone Exclusion" in either of my lines (this is a 2 line family plan, only my phone has the medianet unlimited).
I guess I'll need to wait and buy a Bell Canada version of the phone?
If you are checking it online, it doesn't show as a regular feature. There is a link that shows "other features" ... or just call them up and ask if you have it.
I did upgrade one of my lines, they added $15 in the store. I just called them and got that off of the line, luckily the smart phone exclusion did not go away!
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The smartphone exclusion feature only covers you for your current device. If you put your SIM into a phone that Att recognizes as a valid smartphone that is different than the one you currently have on file, your grandfather status is gone and you get a smartphone data plan. Happened to a few people I know. No commitment pricing has nothing to do with it, since its in the Att terms of service, I think. If you are getting grandfather status back, the sales people are likely making exceptions.
i dont know but Mine too is media net plan since touch pro 2, nexus one, captivate and atrix.
My co-worker complained to AT&T and they grandfathered him into the unlimed data plan.
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My co-worker complained to AT&T and they grandfathered him into the unlimed data plan.
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Did he buy the phone subsidized or off the contract? And can you learn if he complained after he got the phone and AT&T automatically switched him to the limited plan?
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I'm on a legacy Alltel Friends and Family Smartpack plan, and even managed to keep it when upgrading to the Tbolt and it's soon-to-be dead unlimited 4g plan. I've recently heard that because I have this plan I may actually be provisioned for unlimited tethering. However, coming across information about it has proven difficult. I don't have a copy of my contract, (my father did, but misplaced it, apparently) nor is it listed with my other receipts on our My Verizon Account.
Anybody in a similar situation, or knowledgeble about past Alltel contracts have any info, or know where I can find more info? Even Alltel's drab website is of no help, seeing as They only operate in six states now, none of which are mine, and don't have information on this service plan listed anywhere as far as I saw.
what is the exact name of the plan you are on? Ill look into it tomorrow at work.
Friends & Family20 S/P 2000
S/P = Smart Pack
I'm inclined to think it might be the lack of forbidding of tethering in the contract that would enable me to do so (whereas VZW contracts do specifically forbid it) rather than some specifically stated provision. According to my account we've had this plan since 2005, which was still a time well before the present in which tethering wasn't yet an issue
for carriers.
Anyway, I appreciate your looking into this.
Oh I see. While I cant answer 100%, heres my take on it being a verizon rep and rather familure with the way verizon hamdles grandfathering and ect.
If you where on an Alltell plan that included free tethering, you would be good to go. But thats not the case. There is no verizon or alltell plan that includes free tethering, it is a feature that can be added for an additional fee. Unless u own a palm pre 1 or pixi that is.
So I would have to say that ur S.O.L. To have free tethering after june 16th. without using a third party app.
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If you signed up for a $30 unlimited 4G data plan, that would be a Verizon feature since Alltel never had a 4G network. So even though Verizon grandfathered your voice plan rate, the data plan would be governed by Verizon's terms and conditions, including its non-tethering provision.
Actually, your whole plan is probably governed by Verizon's terms and conditions. They just put you on a rate plan that matched the prices/features of your old Alltel rate plan.
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Oh I see. While I cant answer 100%, heres my take on it being a verizon rep and rather familure with the way verizon hamdles grandfathering and ect.
If you where on an Alltell plan that included free tethering, you would be good to go. But thats not the case. There is no verizon or alltell plan that includes free tethering, it is a feature that can be added for an additional fee. Unless u own a palm pre 1 or pixi that is.
So I would have to say that ur S.O.L. To have free tethering after june 16th. without using a third party app.
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I'm on the FRIENDS & FAMILY10 S/P 500. I did have unlimited data and tethering with Alltel. They used to offer it years ago, and when they started charging for it I was grandfathered in. I have been round and round with different Verizon employees and ultimately I have won 70% of the battles. What's funny is if I go into a couple different local stores that still have some of the old Alltel employees they actually remember me and have told me that Verizon is doing everything they can to squash any old Alltel plan and or promised features. I have even had some Verizon employees tell me just to keep doing it and not worry about it.
Same as when I go to get a new phone and they want to sign me up on a new Verizon contract. I tell them that I was told that I wouldn't have to when I was with Alltel and that none of my features would change. I specifically asked about my tethering and I was told that yes everything would stay the exact same.
Same as when I go to get a new phone and they want to sign me up on a new Verizon contract. I tell them that I was told that I wouldn't have to when I was with Alltel and that none of my features would change. I specifically asked about my tethering and I was told that yes everything would stay the exact same.
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if you still have your corporate takeover "we'll honor you current plan" letter, then just take it with you into the store.
Ok here's my scenario...I have the grandfathered unlimited data plan from At&t and I made a point of them making a note in my account before I purchased the SGS2. I rooted my phone and installed Cognition soon after. I attempted to tether before I rooted etc because the option was present while on stock, but of course a pop up appeared saying that I need to change my plan blah blah blah. Once rooted, I didn't tether because I really haven't had the need to yet...because I have wifi in my home. I will admit that I do consume a lot of data...particularly streaming and downloading content (such as roms etc directly to my device)...but that's the point of 4G unlimited data, correct? And even then a lot of the time I'm connected to wifi at home. The only thing I did differently was tried some APN settings that I seen on Android Central which were supposedly giving other SGSII users better download and upload speeds by connecting to the "backhaul". It was actually worse. So I receive an email saying that if they catch me tethering again, they will change my data plan on their own. So my question is, since I haven't actually tethered, could my actual data usage triggered the message...or since I attempted to tether...or or the APN changing...and how could I prevent them from changing it?
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Ill tell you what, if you edit this into at least 3 readable paragraphs, I promise to give you a decent response.
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I think a phone call to att should solve your issue. If they did put you on a tethering plan, they can undo it. But, you may need to get a supervisor if the unlimited plan has been removed.
From what I understand you get warned at least once before they make any changes.
Also, story perfectly understandable to me as is.
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I think a phone call to att should solve your issue. If they did put you on a tethering plan, they can undo it. But, you may need to get a supervisor if the unlimited plan has been removed.
From what I understand you get warned at least once before they make any changes.
Also, story perfectly understandable to me as is.
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See how your post had 3 easily readable paragraphs and sentences? That's what I was referring to. His wall of text hurts my brain. Maybe its because I'm reading from the app.
But then again I wouldn't expect you to understand much of anything judging by the majority of your posts on this site.
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See how your post had 3 easily readable paragraphs and sentences? That's what I was referring to. His wall of text hurts my brain. Maybe its because I'm reading from the app.
But then again I wouldn't expect you to understand much of anything judging by the majority of your posts on this site.
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Wow ... you really are living up to the nickname you had in the Atrix forum. What was it again, "third rate troll"?
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Wow ... you really are living up to the nickname you had in the Atrix forum. What was it again, "third rate troll"?
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I'm not hijacking this guys thread anymore than we already have. If you want to argue with me (and be destroyed in every imaginable way) then go ahead and shoot me a pm.
To answer the original posters questions. Att can only send you warnings about tethering if they catch on. You can do things that wont raise any flags on their end such as using less data for less lengths of time.
A better alternanative would be to mask your device id. I'm not aware of any apps that can do it on Android but PDA net can do it for Apple. Maybe someone else can Chime in on an app.
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If you do tether, it was claimed in the Captivate forum that att sniff out the browser agent for Internet Explorer, so to avoid detection to use Google Chrome, or another browser.
But, if you haven't actually tethered I would start with a call to att customer service. If they flagged your account, you should be able to sort it out over the phone.
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If tethering, either by device or plan feature, was specifically included in the plan you were grandfathered from you should be fine. If it wasn't specifically called out as included they'll charge you for the add-on. You can't grandfather something that didn't exist. In other words, if "unlimited data" didn't specifically apply to tethering and tethering as a feature was introduced afterward you'll have to pay for it.
OP, are you using the stock GSII browser? If not, that could be the culprit. As stated above, they're basing it off the browser agent. Call and say you're using a market browser with Mozilla as browser agent. That should help your case later if they end up jerking you around.
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As stated above, they're basing it off the browser agent.
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They use heuristics to sniff packet data for suspect traffic. While it's not 100%accurate, they hold the cards and it's up to you to prove your innocence.
No one knows what the new heuristics are - but something in your post-root non-tethering data usage probably set off a false positive.
Apparently a few others have had false positives and no one knows the true triggers. Good chance that mangling your browser useragent is one of them.
Call them and complain that you received a nastygram despite not attempting to tether after the app blocked it.
I have been using unlimited data for a few years. I tethered with my iphone. Used MyWi, and then PDAnet. I was contacted by them concerning my 'illegal' use of tethering.
A few weeks ago, I switched from the Iphone to the GSII. Rooted it, and almost IMMEDIATELY got a text message saying that tethering has been added to my contract and that I lost my unlimited data.
Am I screwed here? I don't think tethering existed when I signed my original contract with unlimited data.... Can I get this back?
I do apologize if anyone felt my OP was lengthy, but I was at work and I just wanted to cover all sides of the situation just in case I couldn't respond at the time.
I use the stock browser on Cognition to surf and stream to my video player, and Opera Mobile when downloading from Filesonic, etc.
I was mainly trying to get and idea of what might becausing the flag so I would know which route to go when I do call into ATT. I don't want to receive a bill in a month or so and have to battle them then. The tethering plan wasn't included in the grandfathered Unlimited data plan, but I actually did "abuse" it for a while with my Captivate before I got my DSL installed in my new apartment.
I was just thinking that this could have possibly been some sort of scare tactic on behalf of AT&T because of my current data usage, and it was a preemptive action to contain the abuse of their already spotty 4G network.
Also, I wanted myself and any others who have had this experience to control and prevent future occurrences.
I have a friend that works for Verizon wireless and he told me that he received information from a tech that when you call into the tech support, they can get some of the details of your current rom...and conclude whether or not you are rooted, etc...how true this is idk...
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Dear xxx xxx,
We've noticed your service plan may need updating.
Many AT&T customers use their smartphones as a broadband connection for other devices, like laptops, netbooks or other smartphones– a practice commonly known as tethering. Tethering can be an efficient way for our customers to enjoy the benefits of AT&T's mobile broadband network and use more than one device to stay in touch with important people and information. To take advantage of this feature, we require that in addition to a data plan, you also have a tethering plan.
Our records show that you use this capability, but are not subscribed to our tethering plan. If you would like to continue tethering, please log into your account online at www.wireless.att.com , or call us at 866-975-0005, Monday -Friday, 7 a.m. - 9 p.m. CT, or Saturday, 8 a.m. - 7 p.m. CT, to sign up for the DataPro 4GB for Smartphone Tethering plan or the DataPro Enterprise 4GB for Smartphone Tethering plan.
If we don't hear from you, we'll plan to automatically enroll you into one of the above DataPro 4GB plans in an upcoming bill cycle. The specific plan selected for you will depend on your current smartphone data plan; if you are currently subscribed to another Enterprise data plan, you will automatically be enrolled in the DataPro Enterprise 4GB for Smartphone Tethering Plan so that you can continue to access corporate email and applications. Your new DataPro 4GB plan – whether you sign up on your own or we automatically enroll you – will replace your current smartphone data plan, including if you are on an unlimited data plan.
If you discontinue tethering by the end of this month, no changes to your current plan will be required.
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Wow. Is tethering only available as part of a specific DataPro package? If it's not available as a stand-alone option this is a really nasty and back-handed way to get people off grandfathered unlimited packages. That or to greatly reduce the network burden of tethering.
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Wow. Is tethering only available as part of a specific DataPro package? If it's not available as a stand-alone option this is a really nasty and back-handed way to get people off grandfathered unlimited packages. That or to greatly reduce the network burden of tethering.
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I would say: both.
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Wow. Is tethering only available as part of a specific DataPro package? If it's not available as a stand-alone option this is a really nasty and back-handed way to get people off grandfathered unlimited packages. That or to greatly reduce the network burden of tethering.
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Exactly my point...the phone only came on the 2nd...there's no way I could've hit a data cap like that on my own to raise a flag in a mere 2 weeks...I don't have that kind of porn habit lol...not sure if it was something in the software...quite possible that it is something in the useragent of the browser...
But it feels like I'm getting bullied here...just want something concrete to fire back with.
EDIT: Came home from work and loaded up my laptop...remembered that in a drunken stupor I was up debating between a Slingbox adapter or a Logictech Revue...and I remember that I said eff it so I downloaded the Gmote and Unified Remote apps to connect to the server in my house via wifi and use my phone to control my media and browser through my TV. Could that have triggered the email? That was at approx 12-1am last night and I recieved the email on my way to work at 9:20 this morn
I just got that same email from them this morning.
I'm a little confused as to what their plan of action is. Do they plan to add a tethering plan at the end of the month w/out our consent if we don't contact them, or will everything stay the same if we stop tethering?
"If we don't hear from you, we'll plan to automatically enroll you into one of the above DataPro 4GB plans in an upcoming bill cycle."
but then towards the end of the email, they state:
"If you discontinue tethering by the end of this month, no changes to your current plan will be required."
Should i contact them or will i be fine if i stop tethering?
Sounds to me if you don't contact them you going to get enrolled
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I've seen a lot of these threads around different forums with plenty of people stating that they got the email, but not many of them following up whether or not their plans actually got changed or not.
Wondering how many people actually got their data plans changed or if the email is more of a warning/scare tactic.