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Has anyone tried changing there phone online using a different esn to a previous phone, then dropping the pda package? Im curious as this may be a cheap way for me to get a spare "Free" 9/month Droid Eris to test on.
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FireSokar said:
Has anyone tried changing there phone online using a different esn to a previous phone, then dropping the pda package? Im curious as this may be a cheap way for me to get a spare "Free" 9/month Droid Eris to test on.
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No it will not work because Verizon automatically adds either the 29.99 Data package or the 44.99 data plan. My wife works at Verizon and she can't even change the feature because it overrides it.
What the $45 data plan? I thought the $30 one was the unlimited one? No?
Im talking about a non pda phone, im simply wanting to register it to a basic phone then drop that package from that phone only. If its not a pda phone on there I dont see how verizon can force it to have the package.
Just for clarification im wanting to start off with two eris phones, change swap ESN's to a non pda phone. Then use my Eris no longer with service as wifi only / dismantle for testing purps.
FireSokar said:
Im talking about a non pda phone, im simply wanting to register it to a basic phone then drop that package from that phone only. If its not a pda phone on there I dont see how verizon can force it to have the package.
Just for clarification im wanting to start off with two eris phones, change swap ESN's to a non pda phone. Then use my Eris no longer with service as wifi only / dismantle for testing purps.
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yes you can do that and it will drop the email and web package not a problem
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yes you can do that and it will drop the email and web package not a problem
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From what I recall however, there was a stipulation I read on one of the boards, that you could be subject to a cancelation fee. I don't know how correct it is, or if it is acctually enforced. I seem to remember them instituting this to prevent this exact thing from happening, people get the Buy one Get one then sell the phone.
Like I said I am only realying information I read a few days ago, not sure what it was.
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What the $45 data plan? I thought the $30 one was the unlimited one? No?
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I've talked to a rep about this and the way I understand it, if you have a personal account, unlimited is $30, if you're on a corporate account, the same plan is $45.
$29.99 plan is unlimited ON the device. $45 plan also allows tethering of the device to your computer.
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$29.99 plan is unlimited ON the device. $45 plan also allows tethering of the device to your computer.
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wrong!
$29.99 email and web is unlimited email and web for basic access.
$44.99 is for unlimted email and web with access to corporate email (ie. exchange server, or blackberry enterprise server for blackberrys)
tethering for $29.99 plan is $30.00
and tethering for $44.99 plan is $15.00
Trying to get around the system is not a good idea. It can be quite costly.
FireSokar said:
Has anyone tried changing there phone online using a different esn to a previous phone, then dropping the pda package? Im curious as this may be a cheap way for me to get a spare "Free" 9/month Droid Eris to test on.
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It'll work, I work for Verizon and have done this for many people that just want to get the free Eris on an add a line. Activate your old phone on the line the Eris is on and the data plan will fall off automatically. The system will not allow a 30 dollar web and email plan to attach to a non smart phone. You may have trouble doing this online due to the feature change, but I suggest that you try online first due to stores and customer service frowning on this action as it results in a revenue loss to the company. They also just gave you a free phone for nothing so they will give you a hard time.
If you don't have your old phone PM me and there is another way it can be done.
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wrong!
$29.99 email and web is unlimited email and web for basic access.
$44.99 is for unlimted email and web with access to corporate email (ie. exchange server, or blackberry enterprise server for blackberrys)
tethering for $29.99 plan is $30.00
and tethering for $44.99 plan is $15.00
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Almost right:
$29.99 email and web is unlimited email and web. Exchange and BIS (on Blackberry - Blackberry Internet (Consumer Mail) Server) is available on phones that are natively capable -Android, Palm OS, Web OS Window Mobile and Blackberry for consumer email.
$44.99 is for unlimited email and web with access to BES (Blackberry Enterprise Server) and/or Verizon's Wireless Sync program (If available for your device; WinMobile, not android). VzW's sync program is a bit useless and/or unavailable for most devices though. And the 44.99 plan is USELESS for an Android device.
For more information about wireless Sync: http://www.wsync.com/
Tethering for $29.99 plan is an additional $30.00 and not currently possible for Android
and tethering for $44.99 plan is $15.00 and not currently possible for Android
So, in closing the 44.99 plan is useless unless you have to connect to BES or NEED the Wireless Sync for Smartphones... which 99% of the population will not.
It really depends on the location you get the phone at. For example, I worked for an indirect agent that required an "equipment agreement", basically stating that if you either cancelled service, or stopped using the handset you bought within the first 6 months of service, you were required to return it, but the store I worked at after that did nothing like that. Pretty much, people can get whatever phone they want and do whatever they want with it, but like I said, that is store specific. I would recommend asking your local store what their policies are on it before you actually purchase anything.
Orrrr you could just use an eris on page plus celluar, which leases verizon service. Not against either companies rules and web sites like kitty wireless will take care of the all the activation and setup and b$ like that. This is what i did, i mainly use the data on wifi, and only turn it on for navigation or a quick web search, as i get 50 mb with my 30 dollar 1200 talk/1200 text prepaid plan.
FireSokar said:
Has anyone tried changing there phone online using a different esn to a previous phone, then dropping the pda package? Im curious as this may be a cheap way for me to get a spare "Free" 9/month Droid Eris to test on.
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That would be a silly felony. I prefer to save my felonies for something far more worthwhile.
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That would be a silly felony. I prefer to save my felonies for something far more worthwhile.
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WHy is that a felony? He wants to take the eris off a line, put a non smartphone on the line and drop the data package. I did essentially the same thing when I added a line to get my eris. Took the eris off the new line, put it on my existing line, and put a non smartphone on the new line. Dropped the data off the new line. VZW customer service helped me do this.
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WHy is that a felony? He wants to take the eris off a line, put a non smartphone on the line and drop the data package. I did essentially the same thing when I added a line to get my eris. Took the eris off the new line, put it on my existing line, and put a non smartphone on the new line. Dropped the data off the new line. VZW customer service helped me do this.
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I read it the same way jcase did, not sure if thats what the op meant but it sounded like he wanted to flash an esn to his eris that belongs to a dumbphone. Cloning cell phones is illegal in the U.S.
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FireSokar said:
Just for clarification im wanting to start off with two eris phones, change swap ESN's to a non pda phone. Then use my Eris no longer with service as wifi only / dismantle for testing purps.
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He only wants an Eris to test on... so he's not swapping esn's... he's downgrading one plan in a sense so one Eris can be used to test, USING WIFI only and not 3G
It's sort of what I do, using a G1 and a pre-paid SIM card from t-mobile for testing.. I only use WiFi connected to my home network on this device.
I have a question regarding this topic, i have verizon and im going to be filling BK chp7 in the next month or so, i have 2 droid eris phones and i think i want to sell them. Since i am going to be putting my verizon bill on my BK i dont think they will release my ESN, should i go to Pageplus now or can i too get the service going with them as im going to do a pay as you go type of service. I also found a service online that says they can unlock my phone would this allow me to take the droids else where or even sell them without the new owners having issues getting them up and running?
Heres the link i found for the unlock code, does this stuff work and will it get my phone to be able to sell it or use it without verizon releasing the esn. Forgive me as im new to this whole esn thing.
Its htc unlocker is the website.
FireSokar said:
Im talking about a non pda phone, im simply wanting to register it to a basic phone then drop that package from that phone only. If its not a pda phone on there I dont see how verizon can force it to have the package.
Just for clarification im wanting to start off with two eris phones, change swap ESN's to a non pda phone. Then use my Eris no longer with service as wifi only / dismantle for testing purps.
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So basically you want to commit a felony?
I have a 5-6 year old media net unlimited plan $20 from AT&T which I got when I was using a Motorola MPX220. After that phone I used unlocked smartphones (tilt - UK version and tilt2 - Australian version).
Is there any way to keep this plan after buying this phone? Can I be grandfathered in or is that only possible with the $30 data plans?
no more media net
you WILL get switched to a $25 plan
fincan said:
I have a 5-6 year old media net unlimited plan $20 from AT&T which I got when I was using a Motorola MPX220. After that phone I used unlocked smartphones (tilt - UK version and tilt2 - Australian version).
Is there any way to keep this plan after buying this phone? Can I be grandfathered in or is that only possible with the $30 data plans?
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Buy the phone with no commitment and you can use it.
lsxrx7 said:
no more media net
you WILL get switched to a $25 plan
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What plan is the $25 plan?
harolds said:
Buy the phone with no commitment and you can use it.
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That is what I did. I have the same plan, if I get a contract I lose my unlimited plan.
No its possible. ATT will recognize your imei number and bump you to a data plan. You have to buy a phone that is not in ATT system such as bell version of atrix. Other wise no chance.
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okay so between James62370 and sl8125, one of you is spreading FUD.
it seems like for one person it works but according to another, it wouldnt. whats up with that?
i have a $10 unlimited data plan for messaging phones that i am currently using with a no commitment TILT2 and the phone prior to that was an iphone 2g.
so James62370, it works? if you buy the phone no commitment?
You wil get switched to a smartphone data plan if you use a smartphone they recognise the imei number of.
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You wil get switched to a smartphone data plan if you use a smartphone they recognise the imei number of.
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That's what I said. Anyways even some n1 user have been switched over. I am just one of those lucky one.
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Ok ... here is how you can see if you can keep your old plan:
Check the features you have on your line ... If you have a feature called "Smartphone Exclusion" then no matter what ... AT&T wont be able to put the required data plans on you line automatically (the $15 or $25 / month)
If you have unlimited texting for the family as well ... then by providing a non-smartphone IMEI for your line you can get unlimited internet for $10/month.
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Ok ... here is how you can see if you can keep your old plan:
Check the features you have on your line ... If you have a feature called "Smartphone Exclusion" then no matter what ... AT&T wont be able to put the required data plans on you line automatically (the $15 or $25 / month)
If you have unlimited texting for the family as well ... then by providing a non-smartphone IMEI for your line you can get unlimited internet for $10/month.
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I can confirm this as well. I spoke to an AT&T rep last night and he explained to me that all of my phones have "Data Exclusion", and that even if I bought the Atrix at the 2-year contract price from AT&T's website, it would not be able to apply a smartphone data plan to my account. I have the Media Net plan on one number with the Tilt 2, and no data on line 2, and I bought the Aria for line 2 and they did not apply any data to it.
He did warn me that if I made any changes to the data features on any phone I MIGHT lose the data exclusion, and that if I bought a phone from an AT&T store the rep might screw up and add the data, since Data Exclusion is such a rare feature, but that if I bought online the system would just leave me alone.
Now I just need to know if "4G" data works on the old Media Net plans.
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Now I just need to know if "4G" data works on the old Media Net plans.
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Theres no real 4g anyways
just use the standard APN that was posted here for "unlimited tethering"
Since I have been on the phone with ATT for the last 3 days it has been one thing after another..first data issues coming from the iPhone they switched me over to a 2GB cap called them up they "fixed it" (basically added the smartphone pack. Yesterday got a few calls at work I let them go to VM...so i thought. Somehow my VM got messed up had to call about that. This morning I didn't get one text from anyone found a bit odd since me and the wife text a lot during work when we can. Checked online I had no text plan??? WTF!?? Called them up and guess what I had an older 1500 text plan they don't offer that so i cant get it...really?? come on ATT I just bought a phone no contract nothing should have changed.
So as of now everything seems ok, still working have a case open for my text plan and have gotten some credit back for the data stuff. But really i should have never gone through this whole mess when all I did was buy a phone out right and put my old sim in it.
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No its possible. ATT will recognize your imei number and bump you to a data plan. You have to buy a phone that is not in ATT system such as bell version of atrix. Other wise no chance.
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AT&T recognizes the IMEI on all of their iphones. When I put my sim into my friends iphone, it asked me to update my data plan. Obviously, I did not...
It works on the Atrix, though I don't doubt if AT&T knew which phone I had, they would probably want me to upgrade. I asked a rep many years ago, they said I have some sort of legacy feature grandfathered in, but if I make any type of changes to my plan, I would lose it. I cannot remember what they call it. Thus I cannot purchase a phone with an AT&T contract. Pretty lame, but that has been my experience and what I have been told. Not all reps know what they are talking about.
I'm not here to argue with anyone. I know which plan I have, and I know I have an Atrix. All I did was take my sim from my old phone out and put it into my new Atrix and it works without complaining for me to upgrade my data plan.
However, I am not impress with the HSUPA speeds, and it seems everyone has the same issue whether they are on a $30 unlimited plan, or $20 medianet bundle.
I hope this helps, good luck guys!
Well, I don't see anything called "Smartphone Exclusion" in either of my lines (this is a 2 line family plan, only my phone has the medianet unlimited).
I guess I'll need to wait and buy a Bell Canada version of the phone?
If you are checking it online, it doesn't show as a regular feature. There is a link that shows "other features" ... or just call them up and ask if you have it.
I did upgrade one of my lines, they added $15 in the store. I just called them and got that off of the line, luckily the smart phone exclusion did not go away!
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The smartphone exclusion feature only covers you for your current device. If you put your SIM into a phone that Att recognizes as a valid smartphone that is different than the one you currently have on file, your grandfather status is gone and you get a smartphone data plan. Happened to a few people I know. No commitment pricing has nothing to do with it, since its in the Att terms of service, I think. If you are getting grandfather status back, the sales people are likely making exceptions.
i dont know but Mine too is media net plan since touch pro 2, nexus one, captivate and atrix.
My co-worker complained to AT&T and they grandfathered him into the unlimed data plan.
Gervin said:
My co-worker complained to AT&T and they grandfathered him into the unlimed data plan.
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Did he buy the phone subsidized or off the contract? And can you learn if he complained after he got the phone and AT&T automatically switched him to the limited plan?
Thanks in advance
I seems like Sprint will now limit both 3G and 4G data plans with no grandfathering. I am wondering if this implies a change of contract? Has anyone contacted Sprint to cancel their service with no ETF?
The limiting is only for mobile broadband plans (mobile hotspot), not phone plans.
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The limiting is only for mobile broadband plans (mobile hotspot), not phone plans.
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Sprint, "If you have a mobile broadband device such as a tablet, netbook, notebook, USB card, connection card or Mobile Hotspot device, effective beginning with your next bill following notification, your on-network monthly data allowance will no longer include unlimited 4G."
source ... http://support.sprint.com/support/a...25-20110927-142416/?ECID=vanity:servicechange
Exactly, mobile hotspot was in parenthesis as an example not limiting to.
Well don't that put a dent in my shiny new paper weight. Glad I cancelled Netflix.........
Bet they won't lower my monthly rate, though
I just called to see about this and whether I could cancel; the rep I spoke with said all signs point to my being grandfathered into unlimited data. My guess is they are just gonna use this to cut the cord with data hogs and grandfather in people like me who don't use all that much data anyways.
I use between 2-3 GB, but if I ever streamed a bunch extra, could bust through that so I definitely want the unlimited option.
Yeah, good luck on that grandfather thing. I bet they will rebate you for all the data bytes of advertising they mix in with web pages you look at too.... you know how fair and honest those mobile carriers are.
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Yeah, good luck on that grandfather thing. I bet they will rebate you for all the data bytes of advertising they mix in with web pages you look at too.... you know how fair and honest those mobile carriers are.
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Not too worried; tbh I'd almost rather they not grandfather me because I'm sure that would mean I could cancel with no ETF.
this might be a stupid question but if I cancel my contract does that mean I would lose my service all together?
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OK. On try number 1 I spoke with just a regular Sprint rep. She stated that the plan change did not constitute a material change. If this change is not material I don't know what is. I will try the next level.
Just spoke to retentions and account services and they let me out without a etf for a second time. It does work you just have to be fair and firm and state that you signed up for so many gb's of 3g and unlimited 4g and by them doing this is changing the contract.
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On my second try I spoke to someone in Account services, it took a manager to approve but they let me out of my contract and let me continue month to month with no ETF. The only exception is that I am not eligible for a discounted upgraded until the end of my original contract period - which seemed fair to me. Overall I am happy with the service that Sprint provided me. I was polite to all that I spoke to and explained that the reason I went with Sprint was the unlimited 4G data and that by changing the plan and not offering grandfathering constituted a material change in the contract. Act quickly if you want to do this as you only have 30 days from being notified in your bill. Good luck.
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I wonder if all the people who signed a new contract when the View came out got together and sued Sprint for breach of contract and whatever laws regarding contracts that they broke by invoking this change how it would effect them. I spent a big chunk of change for this device with a 2 year contract for the plan I am on. Had I of known they were going to make this change this soon after I bought the Tablet, I would NOT have bought it, in fact I would have bought one from AT&T as they had an unlimited data plan at the time that they grandfathered in when they placed limits on their plans. I love my tablet but without 3g and 4g service it really is a useless device for me as I use it primarily as a means to communicate with the outside world when I am on the road.
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I wonder if all the people who signed a new contract when the View came out got together and sued Sprint for breach of contract and whatever laws regarding contracts that they broke by invoking this change how it would effect them. I spent a big chunk of change for this device with a 2 year contract for the plan I am on. Had I of known they were going to make this change this soon after I bought the Tablet, I would NOT have bought it, in fact I would have bought one from AT&T as they had an unlimited data plan at the time that they grandfathered in when they placed limits on their plans. I love my tablet but without 3g and 4g service it really is a useless device for me as I use it primarily as a means to communicate with the outside world when I am on the road.
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Naw they aren't in breach as long as they let you out of your contract.
Actually contracts work both ways, saying they let me out of the contract ignores the cost of the view or the fact you cannot use it with another carrier. Contracts work two ways and just letting me out benefits them not me. No one sues so they continue this behavior.
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When I bought my Rezound online almost a month ago, VZW decided to pull more of their tricks. I was on VZW's website and my old Touch Pro 2's contract had been expired. I wanted an upgrade. VZW obviously wasn't promoting this one which cost me a whopping $250. That's not my gripe tho. My gripe is , when I proceeded to go forth with the sale, a window pops up saying my current messaging plan is not valid with this device. It then forced me to have to buy a 1000 msg/mo. plan or pay per msg. How was my messaging plan NOT valid with this phone?? I have had that messaging plan since 2005 and have used it with a Motorola Q9M and an Htc Touch Pro 2. The TP2 I bought online same as this one. The messaging plan in question.... I had unlimited IN Network messaging and paid $5 a month for 50 msg per month. That was for those people I msgd to not on VZW, and I DONT text a lot. Yet I was forced to pay twice as much for that plan in order to proceed...
Then..... After that it jacks my $15 a mo. tethering option ... ,forcefully removes it because it says it's "Not valid" wtf? I try to get it back because I need that as its my only means to go on the internet with my computer (for the last 4 years)..but when I try, they now say I must use the Mobile Hotspot feature. Which apparently is a tiered data plan. I used about 1 - 3gb of data normally every month on the computer. But yayy now since VZ jacked my plan I now have to pay twice as much for the same amount of data usage. I havent activated it. I cant afford the extra charges. I've already been paying $45 a mo. for that unlimited data plan I activated in 2007. $75 a month for internet thats really only 5gb.. I dont think so.. Im sure some of you would flame me for this, but Im just getting fed up with Verizons bullsh**. I neede to blow some steam about this for awhile..
Yeah I'm getting tired of Verizon's crap too, but for different reasons. the Rezound being locked down is the biggest right now. Also when I go into their stores the employees know absolutely nothing about the products they are selling, and I wish I was exaggerating about that, but it's true. Even their "tech" people have no clue. It seems like if I'm paying $180/month on my bill and $300 for my phones and been with them for over four years now, they could be a little more helpful and accommodating to us.... Take the shackles off my phone!!!!!!
The data plan is not valid because with a 4G phone you need a 4G data plan for the hotspot feature. They should have grandfathered you in on the price though. You may need to call and speak with someone.
About the texting, I don't know the exact reason why you couldn't keep it, but did your minutes/etc change by chance? And since you were out of contract and did not renew prior this may be why you were not grandfathered.
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When I bought my Rezound online almost a month ago, VZW decided to pull more of their tricks. I was on VZW's website and my old Touch Pro 2's contract had been expired. I wanted an upgrade. VZW obviously wasn't promoting this one which cost me a whopping $250. That's not my gripe tho. My gripe is , when I proceeded to go forth with the sale, a window pops up saying my current messaging plan is not valid with this device. It then forced me to have to buy a 1000 msg/mo. plan or pay per msg. How was my messaging plan NOT valid with this phone?? I have had that messaging plan since 2005 and have used it with a Motorola Q9M and an Htc Touch Pro 2. The TP2 I bought online same as this one. The messaging plan in question.... I had unlimited IN Network messaging and paid $5 a month for 50 msg per month. That was for those people I msgd to not on VZW, and I DONT text a lot. Yet I was forced to pay twice as much for that plan in order to proceed...
Then..... After that it jacks my $15 a mo. tethering option ... ,forcefully removes it because it says it's "Not valid" wtf? I try to get it back because I need that as its my only means to go on the internet with my computer (for the last 4 years)..but when I try, they now say I must use the Mobile Hotspot feature. Which apparently is a tiered data plan. I used about 1 - 3gb of data normally every month on the computer. But yayy now since VZ jacked my plan I now have to pay twice as much for the same amount of data usage. I havent activated it. I cant afford the extra charges. I've already been paying $45 a mo. for that unlimited data plan I activated in 2007. $75 a month for internet thats really only 5gb.. I dont think so.. Im sure some of you would flame me for this, but Im just getting fed up with Verizons bullsh**. I neede to blow some steam about this for awhile..
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I had the same issue using their online upgrade method. It wouldn't allow me to keep my 250 txt plan and tried to force me to get the 1000 plan for an extra $5 a month. I ended up going directly to the store to upgrade. They didn't say a word and carried the 250 plan right over.
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The data plan is not valid because with a 4G phone you need a 4G data plan for the hotspot feature. They should have grandfathered you in on the price though. You may need to call and speak with someone.
About the texting, I don't know the exact reason why you couldn't keep it, but did your minutes/etc change by chance? And since you were out of contract and did not renew prior this may be why you were not grandfathered.
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That's not it. I was not out of contract, but was required to choose a per sms fee or the 1000/mo. when I upgraded to a Rezound, in contract.
For me, $10 a month is not a big deal and I'd probably pay more over time with the per message deal. My younger daughter with her AT&T iPhone, only communicates with me via text ;-)
So I do not think this is a result of contract expiration. Probably VZW is just making things worse for unlimited plans until we "have to" choose another plan.
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You just said you were not under contract. When you are not under contract they don't have to let you keep your current plan options. They can change them on you on a wimb.
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I was on VZW's website and my old Touch Pro 2's contract had been expired. I wanted an upgrade. VZW obviously wasn't promoting this one which cost me a whopping $250.
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THE-COPS said:
When I bought my Rezound online almost a month ago, VZW decided to pull more of their tricks. I was on VZW's website and my old Touch Pro 2's contract had been expired. I wanted an upgrade. VZW obviously wasn't promoting this one which cost me a whopping $250. That's not my gripe tho. My gripe is , when I proceeded to go forth with the sale, a window pops up saying my current messaging plan is not valid with this device. It then forced me to have to buy a 1000 msg/mo. plan or pay per msg. How was my messaging plan NOT valid with this phone?? I have had that messaging plan since 2005 and have used it with a Motorola Q9M and an Htc Touch Pro 2. The TP2 I bought online same as this one. The messaging plan in question.... I had unlimited IN Network messaging and paid $5 a month for 50 msg per month. That was for those people I msgd to not on VZW, and I DONT text a lot. Yet I was forced to pay twice as much for that plan in order to proceed...
Then..... After that it jacks my $15 a mo. tethering option ... ,forcefully removes it because it says it's "Not valid" wtf? I try to get it back because I need that as its my only means to go on the internet with my computer (for the last 4 years)..but when I try, they now say I must use the Mobile Hotspot feature. Which apparently is a tiered data plan. I used about 1 - 3gb of data normally every month on the computer. But yayy now since VZ jacked my plan I now have to pay twice as much for the same amount of data usage. I havent activated it. I cant afford the extra charges. I've already been paying $45 a mo. for that unlimited data plan I activated in 2007. $75 a month for internet thats really only 5gb.. I dont think so.. Im sure some of you would flame me for this, but Im just getting fed up with Verizons bullsh**. I neede to blow some steam about this for awhile..
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i had ordered my phone via the website as well. I got the same message but just clicked continue through it and didn't have to change my plan. I still have my unlimited plan.
if could use pdanet for tether....so u dont have to get a tether plan...but it uses ur alotted data from ur phone, abd would need the full app to visit https sites..i thinl, cant remember..but ive had the app over 2 years n nothin happened yet....just a suggestion tho for internet issue...
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Did you do the research first on prices? I can see your point on why you wanted to vent about it but if you had taken the time out to research first by speaking to a VZ rep over the phone they would've helped you and if you were grandfathered in whichever plan(data, talk, text etc...) then you would still be on it. You don't have to convert to whatever new plan they are offering. When I had tried to upgrade my DroidX to a Thunderbolt over the website the same pop up box came up saying that my current plan was not available for the TB. For for the hell of it I exited out and started from the beginning upgrading the DroidX to a Dinc2 and the same pop up box did not pop up so I figured it was because of a 4g phone. I called and asked about that pop up box and CS walked me through saying that its just an automatic pop up box that will come up and if you continue to the next window it would allow you to select the same plan as before.
I just got home with my brand spankin' new Rezound...loving it, as a matter of fact.
I went to the store because every time I went online, it wanted to change me to the tiered data plan.
I am still grandfathered in on the same unlimited data plan I bought in 2007. Its some combined data / phone plan. Something like ''Americas Choice 450 + Email/unlimited data" and cost me $79.99 a month. Then I tacked on the msg plan for $5 and then the tethering for $15 . But for this phone, I did keep my original plan. Just that it would not let me keep a lot of the other stuff. When I first got that popup window, I backed out. I DID do 611 and talk to someone about that. I spoke to 2 different reps. One of them seemed dumbfounded and couldn't understand why it was doing that. He said it "Shouldn't" ....hmmm . I asked him to talk to another rep. Another guy came on the line and then said that msg plan was well out of date and hasnt been available for over 4 years. I called BS on that because I had that plan TWICE since. He said it's "locked" in the system and theres nothing he can do about it. So if its "locked in" ..... How is it I keep it for the last 4 years? He didnt know...... FOUL! oh well. Im not going to keep making a fuss over some msging plan.
As for 4G... It doesnt even stay on and I get 3G 99% of the timr. Even in super strong signal areas. My 3G here is really good. But 4G seems useless ....and im supposedly paying for that...hmmm
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I am still grandfathered in on the same unlimited data plan I bought in 2007. Its some combined data / phone plan. Something like ''Americas Choice 450 + Email/unlimited data" and cost me $79.99 a month. Then I tacked on the msg plan for $5 and then the tethering for $15 . But for this phone, I did keep my original plan. Just that it would not let me keep a lot of the other stuff. When I first got that popup window, I backed out. I DID do 611 and talk to someone about that. I spoke to 2 different reps. One of them seemed dumbfounded and couldn't understand why it was doing that. He said it "Shouldn't" ....hmmm . I asked him to talk to another rep. Another guy came on the line and then said that msg plan was well out of date and hasnt been available for over 4 years. I called BS on that because I had that plan TWICE since. He said it's "locked" in the system and theres nothing he can do about it. So if its "locked in" ..... How is it I keep it for the last 4 years? He didnt know...... FOUL! oh well. Im not going to keep making a fuss over some msging plan.
As for 4G... It doesnt even stay on and I get 3G 99% of the timr. Even in super strong signal areas. My 3G here is really good. But 4G seems useless ....and im supposedly paying for that...hmmm
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There are people here who have been member far longer than you or I and don't have the issues you have in regards to your plans. You must have gotten some very limited promotion.
As for 4G. You are not paying for 4G, you are paying for Verizon Service, and whatever phone you have the connects to their service. Verizon isn't going to pop up a tower everywhere as you drive down the road for your convenience. People buy 4G phones all the time that don't even have 4G in their area. The network is barely a year old, you need to chill out and let them roll it out and fix the bugs. Or, you can changer service providers and complain that they don't have **** for 4G anywhere in the country and get a "4G" phone just because it sounds cool.
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I am still grandfathered in on the same unlimited data plan I bought in 2007. Its some combined data / phone plan. Something like ''Americas Choice 450 + Email/unlimited data" and cost me $79.99 a month. Then I tacked on the msg plan for $5 and then the tethering for $15 . But for this phone, I did keep my original plan. Just that it would not let me keep a lot of the other stuff. When I first got that popup window, I backed out. I DID do 611 and talk to someone about that. I spoke to 2 different reps. One of them seemed dumbfounded and couldn't understand why it was doing that. He said it "Shouldn't" ....hmmm . I asked him to talk to another rep. Another guy came on the line and then said that msg plan was well out of date and hasnt been available for over 4 years. I called BS on that because I had that plan TWICE since. He said it's "locked" in the system and theres nothing he can do about it. So if its "locked in" ..... How is it I keep it for the last 4 years? He didnt know...... FOUL! oh well. Im not going to keep making a fuss over some msging plan.
As for 4G... It doesnt even stay on and I get 3G 99% of the timr. Even in super strong signal areas. My 3G here is really good. But 4G seems useless ....and im supposedly paying for that...hmmm
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I just checked in to the verizonwireless.com website...I've still got the 450 minute America's Choice plan I've had for well on ten years...I've still got $5 for 250 texts, and still have unlimited data.
I may have saved $30 or so on Wirefly or similar, but I've got the peace of mind that I didn't have to go to war to protect that unlimited data plan.
Im not complaining about the availability of 4g service. I know not everyone has 4g in their area and its spotty at best. What Im saying is that I run a signal check for LTE and the signal can be strong but most of the time it does not turn on. Im NOT expecting it to follow me wherever I go. But Id expect it to work where there is strong LTE signal. See what I'm saying now? As for paying for 4g service... Whats that Wifi Hotspot thing then and why wont plain ol tethering plan work? Because tethering is for 3G phones , not 4g. And Hotspot cost twice as much as tether for the same data amount. Even though I am technically NOT using Hotspot because I refuse to payvtwice as much for the same thing, I had lost the tethering option and onlyvhave the more expensive option now due to 4g....But the 4g dont seem to be working.
And again, I have not lost my original service plan. Just those reps were dummies.. and I dont feel like making a huge hassle. I just wrote this post to gripe about Verizons BS. I had to vent.. that is all.
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Im not complaining about the availability of 4g service. I know not everyone has 4g in their area and its spotty at best. What Im saying is that I run a signal check for LTE and the signal can be strong but most of the time it does not turn on. Im NOT expecting it to follow me wherever I go. But Id expect it to work where there is strong LTE signal. See what I'm saying now? As for paying for 4g service... Whats that Wifi Hotspot thing then and why wont plain ol tethering plan work? Because tethering is for 3G phones , not 4g. And Hotspot cost twice as much as tether for the same data amount. Even though I am technically NOT using Hotspot because I refuse to payvtwice as much for the same thing, I had lost the tethering option and onlyvhave the more expensive option now due to 4g....But the 4g dont seem to be working.
And again, I have not lost my original service plan. Just those reps were dummies.. and I dont feel like making a huge hassle. I just wrote this post to gripe about Verizons BS. I had to vent.. that is all.
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Have you tried talking to retentions? At worst, I would ask for the unlimited data and a credit every month to cover the messaging. Seems only right for a long time customer.
Verizon has always nickeled and dimed its customers with extra charges for this or that, they've always been one of the two most expensive of the major four providers (AT&T being the other), and they've always tried to control what the customer could and couldn't do (i.e. no way to get rid of the bloatware, locked bootloaders, etc.). The company has invested a lot of money in its network, and it steadfastly refuses to outsource its customer service. It has to recover the money somewhere. In short, you get what you pay for (unless you're with AT&T, in which case you don't).
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Have you tried talking to retentions? At worst, I would ask for the unlimited data and a credit every month to cover the messaging. Seems only right for a long time customer.
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Retentions?hmm I guess I haven't. Already have the unlimited. Is this on the 611 as well? I don't like going up to the main..err what used to be the HQ store in Ft Myers. Ever since they changed the stores all around, the guys working up there seem like tightwads now. Idk what they did to their stores, but I totally want to avoid that place since the change. Not helpful at all. Totally miss how the stores used to be. Must be some corporate bs going on.
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When I bought my Rezound online almost a month ago, VZW decided to pull more of their tricks. I was on VZW's website and my old Touch Pro 2's contract had been expired. I wanted an upgrade. VZW obviously wasn't promoting this one which cost me a whopping $250. That's not my gripe tho. My gripe is , when I proceeded to go forth with the sale, a window pops up saying my current messaging plan is not valid with this device. It then forced me to have to buy a 1000 msg/mo. plan or pay per msg. How was my messaging plan NOT valid with this phone?? I have had that messaging plan since 2005 and have used it with a Motorola Q9M and an Htc Touch Pro 2. The TP2 I bought online same as this one. The messaging plan in question.... I had unlimited IN Network messaging and paid $5 a month for 50 msg per month. That was for those people I msgd to not on VZW, and I DONT text a lot. Yet I was forced to pay twice as much for that plan in order to proceed...
Then..... After that it jacks my $15 a mo. tethering option ... ,forcefully removes it because it says it's "Not valid" wtf? I try to get it back because I need that as its my only means to go on the internet with my computer (for the last 4 years)..but when I try, they now say I must use the Mobile Hotspot feature. Which apparently is a tiered data plan. I used about 1 - 3gb of data normally every month on the computer. But yayy now since VZ jacked my plan I now have to pay twice as much for the same amount of data usage. I havent activated it. I cant afford the extra charges. I've already been paying $45 a mo. for that unlimited data plan I activated in 2007. $75 a month for internet thats really only 5gb.. I dont think so.. Im sure some of you would flame me for this, but Im just getting fed up with Verizons bullsh**. I neede to blow some steam about this for awhile..
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At what point in the process do you say STOP..WOW...
I currently have a rooted HTC Evo 4G LTE with Sprint, the contract is over and Sprint no longer wants to offer unlimited data. So it is time for me to find a new provider, a new phone.
Which provider has the best 4G LTE signal, which would be the best phone.
My requirements are that the phone be able to be rooted, and that I have control of the bootloader.
As far as I know HTC is the only bootloader that you can have control.
I think I want to go with T-Mobile, since they have a sensible unlimited plan...which would be the best phone for this project.
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I currently have a rooted HTC Evo 4G LTE with Sprint, the contract is over and Sprint no longer wants to offer unlimited data. So it is time for me to find a new provider, a new phone.
Which provider has the best 4G LTE signal, which would be the best phone.
My requirements are that the phone be able to be rooted, and that I have control of the bootloader.
As far as I know HTC is the only bootloader that you can have control.
I think I want to go with T-Mobile, since they have a sensible unlimited plan...which would be the best phone for this project.
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I switched over to T-Mobile and a n5. Fabulous coverage and insane speeds. Although of course T-Mobile coverage isn't as great as Verizon and AT&T. Check sensorly for your area. But I do highly recommend T-Mobile. Also, Nexus boot loader isn't controllable. But the amount of development for the device is through the roof. If you're a flashaholic like me, then the n5 is the phone for you.
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I currently have a rooted HTC Evo 4G LTE with Sprint, the contract is over and Sprint no longer wants to offer unlimited data. So it is time for me to find a new provider, a new phone.
Which provider has the best 4G LTE signal, which would be the best phone.
My requirements are that the phone be able to be rooted, and that I have control of the bootloader.
As far as I know HTC is the only bootloader that you can have control.
I think I want to go with T-Mobile, since they have a sensible unlimited plan...which would be the best phone for this project.
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Why is sprint making you change your plan? Did you go to the store? Because upgrading doesn't always entail a new plan, if you went to the store they may be trying to sell you more than the phone. Just my 2 cents.
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Maybe they were promoting their new Easy Pay plans.
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Maybe they were promoting their new Easy Pay plans.
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Sounds like it.
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Maybe they were promoting their new Easy Pay plans.
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That's exactly what they're doing. However, contact Sprint before you purchase a new phone and inform them that you would like to be grandfathered into your old plan. From what I was told, this can be done, but only BEFORE you purchase a new phone.
Given, you'll still deal with the Easy Pay, but same plan. You could also possibly just get your phone from Best Buy Mobile and still get a phone under the normal discounted rates for a two year plan.
I've heard that the Easy Pay is the new plan for everyone, and Sprint with no longer issue contracts, but month-to-month service. Payments for your phone will be divided over a course of 2yrs, I think, but it is not the same as an actual plan. You will have to pay the remaining balance for you phone as opposed to a termination fee.
I'm not sure how I feel about that...they told me that I can upgrade through Easy Pay, but I need to speak to them in person to find out the actual details and the benefits.
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I've heard that the Easy Pay is the new plan for everyone, and Sprint with no longer issue contracts, but month-to-month service. Payments for your phone will be divided over a course of 2yrs, I think, but it is not the same as an actual plan. You will have to pay the remaining balance for you phone as opposed to a termination fee.
I'm not sure how I feel about that...they told me that I can upgrade through Easy Pay, but I need to speak to them in person to find out the actual details and the benefits.
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From what I've just experienced, you don't have to do easy pay. I changed my plan to the new "my way" plan and I can get my upgraded device anyway I want. I could use easy pay or purchase it outright at the discounted rate. I also have the option to use a third party vendor, like wirefly or on Amazon, which is what I'm doing. With easy pay, as it was explained to me by sprint rep, you pay a small amount up front. Then they bill you monthly, over 24 months and you end up paying full (non discounted) price for the device you choose. But I didn't have to change my plan, I chose to.
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From what I've just experienced, you don't have to do easy pay. I changed my plan to the new "my way" plan and I can get my upgraded device anyway I want. I could use easy pay or purchase it outright at the discounted rate. I also have the option to use a third party vendor, like wirefly or on Amazon, which is what I'm doing. With easy pay, as it was explained to me by sprint rep, you pay a small amount up front. Then they bill you monthly, over 24 months and you end up paying full (non discounted) price for the device you choose. But I didn't have to change my plan, I chose to.
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Easy Pay sounds similar to the now-defunct "One-Up" plan. I believe you had to pay the taxes on the full, non-discounted price up front when upgrading, and then paying for the phone over the next two years, as I recall. Any remaining balance at the end of the two year period had to be paid in full.
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I'm kind of hesitant to switch to another carrier mainly because of what is going on with a merger between them and T-mobile. T-mobile recently bought all of Verizon's 700MHz bandwidth, meaning better LTE coverage for Sprint as soon as the merger goes through, if it goes through at all.
I am skeptical about the success of the merger. Sprint will finally be a powerhouse, and I don't think that the regulators want that to happen.
I'm curious about what all the last 2 posters are privy to. I'm about to upgrade my device, and when I look on sprint site, it would be only 100$ for n5 or HTC One. But I went to sprint store and it was 50$ + 16/no and get 12/mo upgrade, but will also F up all other lines on my family plan. I don't wanna pay monthly for device, I wanna pay up front and forget about it, but I do want 12moupgrades.
All that said,on a 25mi trip, I just compared my LTE speed tests with my girls tmo speed tests, and hers were consistently higher than mine. And her device is a 4yr old pyramid that doesn't even have radios to accept tmo LTE. But hers kicked my ass. I wanna hear from anyone who has ideas on how to test them, or any secret info about why they think sprint may be about to be awesome. Again, while my LTE service speed tested about 3mbps on avg, her old tmo (no LTE) consistently got way better than my LTE in same places.
Word love tohearsome thoughts,cuz I'm ready to jump ship.
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I'm curious about what all the last 2 posters are privy to. I'm about to upgrade my device, and when I look on sprint site, it would be only 100$ for n5 or HTC One. But I went to sprint store and it was 50$ + 16/no and get 12/mo upgrade, but will also F up all other lines on my family plan. I don't wanna pay monthly for device, I wanna pay up front and forget about it, but I do want 12moupgrades.
All that said,on a 25mi trip, I just compared my LTE speed tests with my girls tmo speed tests, and hers were consistently higher than mine. And her device is a 4yr old pyramid that doesn't even have radios to accept tmo LTE. But hers kicked my ass. I wanna hear from anyone who has ideas on how to test them, or any secret info about why they think sprint may be about to be awesome. Again, while my LTE service speed tested about 3mbps on avg, her old tmo (no LTE) consistently got way better than my LTE in same places.
Word love tohearsome thoughts,cuz I'm ready to jump ship.
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My thoughts on this: if the merge was ever to come to pass, then you would technically be starting over as a new customer with Sprint. While I don't think that the merge will be successful, just keep that in the back of your mind.
More importantly, how is voice service with Tmo compared to Sprint? Which had more dead/low signal zones? And which device gives you better service at home? Yes, data is vital, but these are still phones, primarily. You have no idea how much you need good voice service until it starts to mess up, then you'll wish that you didn't make the jump.
Try using different apps, like SignalCheck Lite from the play store to compare the signal difference in various locations. Use both phones to leave voicemails on a third phone (land line or cell phone, doesn't matter), and replay both to see which is clearer. This last test will be a little skewed, of course, since you are using two different devices, and your LTE has newer tech inside it.
Lastly, if you want to make the jump, just take the time to test the Tmo network (or any other network) before you decide. This is not the type of mistake that you will want to regret. On another note, if the money being saved is worth the potential aggravation, then go for it. I'm not bashing Tmo in any way whatsoever, for I have been considering making the jump as well, but I'm quite comfortable with my Sprint service, and the repair center that I go to tends not to ask too much questions. Just don't bring them a rooted phone, and all is well.
Appreciate the lengthy feedback. My nearest sprint repair center loves seeing the cool sh1t on the ROMs I bring in, lol. Lucky me. That said, tmo looks like it'd be a little cheaper, not much. But their data speeds, even on 3g are 20x faster than the LTE I get from sprint. So many pros, so many Con's. Actually, they'll pay my etf, and there aren't many Con's. Prob be switching soo. And yearly upgrades, which I like. That said, I like that sprint leans on OEMZs t9 get the hardware they know customers want.
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Appreciate the lengthy feedback. My nearest sprint repair center loves seeing the cool sh1t on the ROMs I bring in, lol. Lucky me. That said, tmo looks like it'd be a little cheaper, not much. But their data speeds, even on 3g are 20x faster than the LTE I get from sprint. So many pros, so many Con's. Actually, they'll pay my etf, and there aren't many Con's. Prob be switching soo. And yearly upgrades, which I like. That said, I like that sprint leans on OEMZs t9 get the hardware they know customers want.
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You've sparked my interest. How does T-Mobile do data? Is it truly unlimited? Or do they cap your speed after a certain usage?