Hello Guys!
I'm currently trying to have my hero in sleep mode most of the time. the big problem seems: when the screen is turned off (its like partial wake or something, i'm sorry i have the german version "teilwachzustand") my phone is actually 70-80% active of the time.
I determine this with the program spareparts. sadly it's not a specific app, it's just "android system" i reckon that this includes processes running and widgets etc. i haven't found a programm that watches which processes drain the energy.
A friend of mine has a stock samsung android also with spareparts, and his has a 10 percent active time when the phone screen is turned off.
So is the Hero (MODACO 3.1) just the way it is of do i have a bad widget or program running causing this permanent use of the phone?
(i have beautiful widgets (only the vibrate button and clock), astrid list, and mostly apps)
i tried one night loading an empty scene no widgets at all. and still phoneusage 70% .....
i am aware that processes are running, but not apps....
it seems that the "fring" process is running even if the autostart is deactivated and no inscance of the app is actually running.
also "saymyname" which i use to recieve calls.
if it helps i can list all of the running processes here. maybe there is a programm that is know for such issues.
thanks for your help in advance!
Yes. That sounds like partial wake-lock. (Teilwachzustand)
I didn't like Fring since it seemed to run constantly. Try uninstalling it temporarily and see if that helps. I don't know about saymyname, but why not give it a try with it uninstalled and see. If it helps, my partial wakelock usage is probably nearer 5%/10% on Android System, and that was with some pretty heavy usage and running stuff in the background. Normally it's a bit less for me.
HTH
Thanks for the Reply!
i've uninstalled taskpanel and removed my taskkiller app from the desktop and it seemes that the problem is solved 5-10% usage. (i use the taskkiller part from astro filemanager now)
I'm happy that the problem is solved.... (a pity though, because taskpanel really did make the handling very smoothly...)
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I have read that taskkiller is not necessary on Android as the OS will kill off running apps when it needs memory - what are people's thoughts on this?
Hmmm...I read somewhere (maybe on here) heard if the App is coded properly that when not in use it will be background so not take up memory.
Not too knowledgable, but in that case would imagine they are acting like a windows service so will be taking up memory somewhere....so perhaps what I read was nonsense
Well, I have stopped killing tasks and guess what - I notice no difference at all! Hero is just as speedy (or slow depending on how you wanna look at it!).
Interesting!
Killing truly idle applications wont have significant effect. There are however many applications which appear idle, but still drains resources. An example is Peep, the twitter client, which starts automatically even if there's no twitter account configured. It has some frequent checks that put load on the CPU and thus helps drain power. Killing it adds many hours of standby time.
i'm not using any task manager/killer, did try them for a couple of days, can't really tell the difference, except i was wasting time constantly killing apps :/
suisen said:
i'm not using any task manager/killer, did try them for a couple of days, can't really tell the difference, except i was wasting time constantly killing apps :/
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Ditto... surely there is no need as the OS will kill a unused app if it needs the memory ??? I don't have any problem running any apps one after the other... they just load.
The only lag I get is while the handset starts a widget update, once they are started everything runs slickly.
I found it a little slicker without taskiller. Especially in the use of big apps like copilot or documents2go. It seems to be managing itself pretty well.
Yep. I can report that the phone is working very well without Taskkiller. I have uninstalled it now.
If you are reading this, give it a try for a few days and tell us what you think. You may be pleasantly surprised...
Ditto - I've removed taskiller so I don't get tempted. Surprise surprise, no problems, no lag, etc. Now mostly this is due to removing the clock and people widget, but memory management seems fine after playing many different games and browsing the internet.
I think a benefit to doing this is that you aren't going to get and bizarre problems caused by killing system processes by accident - ie you won't miss alarms or stop receiving email alerts.
Any one else notice their Hero slowing down?
Mine's gotten to the point where it takes a few attempts at even unlocking the home screen....
Yeah, started to put some apps on the phone the first night I had it ( Friday) and when I started 'Sky map' to see what it was like the poor old phone had a major moment and wouldn't do much at all.
I had read up on this so installed taskiller and just killed the app -it was fine after that-
I believe it will be sorted soon, there is a firmware update just about to be released (hopefully) that addresses this issue.
I bought TasKiller Pro, since it lets you have unlimited amounts of Ignored apps. Then I just:
* Go into TasKiller and Ignore TouchFlo, Touch Input, com.htc.dcs (whatever that is, it's always on) and all other apps you don't want to kill when you clean up (Babbler, ConnectBot etc... whatever you fancy)
* Put the TasKiller widget on the desktop next to the TasKiller app icon.
* Whenever I notice a slowdown I just press the widget button and it kills all processes / programs except the ones I've ignored. It immediately speeds up the phone
This isn't an iPhone, this actually lets you start multiple programs at the same time and since the cpu isn't event capable of playing smooth MP4 videos (unless they are 480x360), there isn't a lot to spare.
When I woke up this morning, i made a ConnectBot connection to screen to open irc, surfed a couple of webpages, wrote a couple of mails, started babbler for facebook and eBuddy for MSN and the slowdown on the desktop was visible. When I was done I clicked the TasKiller "Kill all" button and the phone was smooth as butter again.
The moral of the story: If you start a lot of programs at the same time, it WILL slow down the phone. Nothing you can do about it. The iPhone "never" slows down, because it's the equivalent (almost) of a Hero with only one app running at any one time. Given those conditions, the Hero would be just as smooth as the iPhone too!
Still, I hope sincerely for some optimization with the forthcoming update.
You need to look into how the Android OS works.
there are two types of running apps.
Applications and services.
With applications, when you press the home button the application is suspended and can no longer use memory or cpu, Android can reclaim this memory when it needs to.
Second is services, these run in the background. These do use cpu and memory while you are doing other things. So if you have a lot of apps that uses services running then it may slow down.
I have found that usually the slowdown is because when you click home and then suspend the widgets that update are suspended and so when you unsuspend they wake up and start to refresh and that causes the slow down. Tip #1 when clicking home to put the phone into standby dont click standby for about 5 secs and see if it helps.
Hi
I'm currently having problem with apps they are auto opening themselves.
Sometimes at startup when I open my open and use Helix/ADW all launcher manu apps are open automatically. It eats like 50MB of memory and battery.
And even while my screen turns off it opens app. I was sleeping and my screen is turn off/sleep and I check task panel it got apps open even the screen is lock.
Got No Idea on this. Why my apps are auto opening.
And do I need to debrand?
I just got a unit Unlocked
X10i
Baseband 1.0.14
Build Number R1FA014
Kernel 2.6.29-rel [email protected]#2
Do I really need to debrand?
Does it reset my phone and my settings/apps will be deleted?
TIA
It's not the X10, it's an Android thing.
Then how to get rid of this auto opening app? I never exp. this on 1.5 and 2.1 on my HTC Hero just on this 1.6
Get Automatic Task Killer or something similar, and set it to kill apps on open...if you find the apps opening affects your performance.
Also, if they're apps that sync with a service, make sure all syncing is off, or they'll keep coming up anyway, to try to sync with the cloud.
as a personal anecdote, once I stopped using task killers, the phone started running more stable and quicker.
So Task killers are not good?
I check my Task Panel once i boot my phone tons of APPS are open
Like Bluetooth file transfer
SMS Backup and Restore
Email
Alarm Clock
Calender
Settings Voice Dialer
It opens on startup.
seriously I just boot up my phone and use ADW Launcher and those open up automatically? what does those do? for startup? there are tons more like 25 apps on startup. This thing is not good since I'll do task killing always even the phone is screen off. My phone is opening Voice Dialer Handsent SMS even though i dont have message or calls received.
It's like every min or hour I'll do task killing it kills battery
Well, Alarm Clock has to be on, so it knows when to go off... If you don't have any alarms set, delete all the alarms that are in it.
Email is on by default, since it's a smart phone. If you don't have an account set up, email won't sync, and thus, isn't really doing anything. Calendar will attempt to sync with google if you set it up, but if not, again, shouldn't be doing anything. SMS will start to monitor for incoming SMSes. A lot of services start so they're there when you try to start them up. Basically, anything that has to sync to the internet to update will start automatically.
If things like Photoshop Mobile or a game or something start up, those should be killed.
Stand alone apps that don't access the internet should have no business starting up on their own.
Some people on here claim task killers are great and help a lot... some claim they do nothing. I'm torn, because the phone feels a bit faster than when I used the task killer everytime I unlocked the phone. If your phone is new, cycle the battery a few times, and let it 'break in' and, eventually, the battery life should improve.
Thanks. I'm just a little bit worried that I'm not aware that there are many task opening with me noticing or knowing it and use much battery as I do.
Some apps open automatically
I know that apps auto close ok , here's its invers..
Any how use some task killers frequently to kill them....
Or just unistall them
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Can somebody help me? I am running my xperia x8 and as i know since i rooted and got myself new rom i was wondering why my games work slow but after a little research i found out that official Facebook app is working in background so i unninstaled but now my question is is there someone who has some facebook app non-official which i can run without the problems?
PS: Sorry if spam on this thread but i cant make new threads on this app (or i can but i cannot figure it out)
Sent from my X8 using xda app-developers app
gr3yh0und said:
Thanks. I'm just a little bit worried that I'm not aware that there are many task opening with me noticing or knowing it and use much battery as I do.
Some apps open automatically
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Android works by loading EVERYTHING it can into memory, up to a threshold and then removes apps from memory if they're not being used and memory is required for newly initiated applications.
Some apps have a terminate and stay resident approach and are seen as 'services' and they just stay active no matter what. Email, Calendars and status bar and etc never leave memory cause they're all waiting for there big moment, an email, an appointment, a finger touch etc.
Using a task killer doesn't really do anything, cause as soon as you 'kill' the process and the moment there is available memory again the process will just return to active/inactive memory because that's the way Android memory processing works.
If you have root access you can delete/freeze system apps you don't require.
A 'slim' Android v2.3 ROM shouldn't have more than approx 110 system apps. Less that 95 if you're good.
gr3yh0und said:
I check my Task Panel once i boot my phone tons of APPS are open
Like Bluetooth file transfer
SMS Backup and Restore
Email
Alarm Clock
Calender
Settings Voice Dialer
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Most of the apps you listed are system apps and will, by their nature find there way into memory all the time. That's just how it is.
After a few hours of use many of the non-used apps will drop out of memory and others will take their place.
Loading applications into memory has a time and processing cost and so if it's already in memory, it's quicker to access.
However the Android system doesn't know your usage traits at start-up and that's why some less used system applications may be seem in memory until they're weeded out by those you do use. Again, nothing to worry about,
Using an XPERIA X10i with ~384MB of memory leaves little room for bloatware and thus a lean running machine is the order of the day for the XPERIA X10i.
Hi,
first, i have to tell you that I'm really surprised about the battery life. I've never experienced more battery life on any firmware before (when I'm not using the wifi connection).
But I've also got some questions, e.g. about the wakeup. It feels strange, the phone wakes up, but it was in idle, no wifi connected or display on...
Another questions is, on KD3, using Juice Defender the battery drain over night (approx. 8h) was only 1-2%, but now around 7-8%. And I also use the Juice Defender with same settings!?!?
Is it correct or what could be the problem and how to fix it?
I'm on stock OXAKH3, CF-Rooted and just removed the usual apps listed in the thread "apps secure to remove" in this forum, with root explorer...
thanks for any suggestions, your help is much appreciated.
Something is going on background. To see what is going on in background install Better Battery Stats and see under 'Partial Wakelocks'. Then you could uninstall it/freeze/modify it as per your need.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809
Regards.
thanks for your quick response and the link. it seems to be the solution for my wake-up problem...
I've installed this app, but maybe i'm stupid – For me this app isn't very intuitive.
I'm staring at the whole bunch of entries, but couldn't find any mysterious tasks?
I don't know how to use this app. Are there any alternatives?
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thanks for your quick response and the link. it seems to be the solution for my wake-up problem...
I've installed this app, but maybe i'm stupid – For me this app isn't very intuitive.
I'm staring at the whole bunch of entries, but couldn't find any mysterious tasks?
I don't know how to use this app. Are there any alternatives?
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Keep checking the Partial Wakelocks option, if anything is going on background you should see it there.
the one on the top of the list consumed the most cpu time, so one of them may be your battery drainer. Open the app, select "wake locks" and look at the top of the list.
yepp, that's what I meant... the top entries are
*network-location* Android-System with 27m 5s – 0,4%
*network-location* Google Services with 26m 16s – 0,4%
JuiceDefender.Service with 15m 57s – 0,3%
hmm, it's curious - this seems not to be the wake-up problem posted before. also how to change those system entries? this could not be the problem, or?
just to inform you, after deinstalling the app getjar, everything works fine again...
and this process or app wasn't listed within betterbatterystats, i think.
thanks anyway.
Hi,
I've recently installed CM10 and for the most part have been happy with the battery performance, however, if I don't remember to switch to airplane mode overnight, the battery drops by almost half by the time I get into work again.
I've noticed that Android OS, System Standby and Maps are all using a lot of battery, which is weird because I haven't used maps, nor have I (to the best of my knowledge) used any apps that would require my location (other than the camera, to take two photos)
http://i.imgur.com/5sWn58I.png
Greenify also backs this up, with maps waking up my device a ridiculous number of times, and Facebook Messenger (which I'm now tempted to uninstall) along with BBC Weather which I have no idea why it's running so frequently that I'm also tempted to uninstall.
http://i.imgur.com/uZQ45Gh.png
Any suggestions on how to optimise things a little here please? I hate the idea of things running in the background and it's something I'm really struggling with since moving from iOS.
Thanks
blizeH said:
Hi,
I've recently installed CM10 and for the most part have been happy with the battery performance, however, if I don't remember to switch to airplane mode overnight, the battery drops by almost half by the time I get into work again.
I've noticed that Android OS, System Standby and Maps are all using a lot of battery, which is weird because I haven't used maps, nor have I (to the best of my knowledge) used any apps that would require my location (other than the camera, to take two photos)
http://i.imgur.com/5sWn58I.png
Greenify also backs this up, with maps waking up my device a ridiculous number of times, and Facebook Messenger (which I'm now tempted to uninstall) along with BBC Weather which I have no idea why it's running so frequently that I'm also tempted to uninstall.
http://i.imgur.com/uZQ45Gh.png
Any suggestions on how to optimise things a little here please? I hate the idea of things running in the background and it's something I'm really struggling with since moving from iOS.
Thanks
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with es task manager you can enable and disable start up apps or running apps. this helped me from time to time. good luck
Use Greenify and Autostarts
Thanks both! Will get ES Task Manager now and mess with the startup apps... Autostarts looks fantastic, but since ES is free it edges it for me
blizeH said:
Thanks both! Will get ES Task Manager now and mess with the startup apps... Autostarts looks fantastic, but since ES is free it edges it for me
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Free does not mean best but try it .
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