This was originally posted on the PPCGeeks.com forums, but they seem to be having hosting troubles lately, and I've received requests to repost this somewhere else, so here we go...
Check back on this thread every once in a while, as I'll be updating this post when I can with new information.
Setup
To use the Titan's internal GPS you must be running a ROM version of at least 3.16.651.0 with a radio ROM version of at least 3.27.00 (to find your ROM version go to the "Device Information" application found in Start->Settings->"System" tab).
Make sure that in the "External GPS" app (found in Start->Settings->"System" tab) matches the following settings:
Under the "Programs" tab, the "GPS program port:" is set to "COM4".
Under the "Hardware" tab, the "GPS hardware port:" is set to "None", and the "Baud rate:" is set to "4800".
Under the "Access" tab, the "Manage GPS automatically (recommended)" option is checked.
Make sure that your phone's location setting is set to "ON". You can do this by launching the "Phone" app (found in Start->Settings->"Personal" tab), then:
Under the "Services" tab, choose the "Location Setting" item in the listbox, and press the "Get Settings..." button.
Make sure the "Phone: Location Setting" is set to "ON"
OK everything, and soft reset your phone
My ROM version is older than the one listed as required above, where do I get the new ROM?
If your ROM versions are lower than the ones specified above, you have to load the new leaked test ROM first.
If you're on Sprint, and want the stock ROM, and you're running Windows XP, then look here:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=16806
If you're on Sprint, and want the stock ROM, and you're running Windows Vista, then look here:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=16886
If want dcd's custom Titan ROM, or if you're on Verizon, Alltel, or Telus, then look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362566
NOTE: After the update some are experiencing loss of phone functions (dial in-out). To recover from this, before updating, make sure you record your MDN and MSID. First go to your dialer and dial ##MSL# (where MSL is your unique MSL code for your phone). The MSL unlock code is used for programming your phone yourself, and is unique for every phone. You can retrieve the MSL for your phone by using the GetSPC application. It's essentially a keygen that calculates what the MSL should be from the hexadecimal ESN (case-sensitive). You can get your hexadecimal ESN from several places including the back of your device if you remove the battery. You can download GetSPC from HERE. Otherwise you can call Sprint technical support, tell them you're a developer, and you need the MSL number for your phone. The MDN should be your phone number. Finally, go to your dialer again, and dial ##3282#, your MSL is the unlock code, then make sure you record the settings there. The important things are your username and AAA password (HA password should be 'secret').
Which GPS enabled applications work with the Titan's built-in GPS?
Pretty much any GPS application that supports the NMEA 0183 protocol (almost everything). You may have to set your GPS application to connect to COM 4 with a baud rate of 4800. I have personally successfully tested the internal GPS with the following software:
Sprint Navigation v1.0.21 (Telenav) (Video) (free 2 day trial, downloads maps from an active Internet connection, $10 a month, not included as part of SERO)
Google Maps Mobile (Video) (free, highly recommended, downloads map/navigation data from an active Internet connection)
Microsoft Live Search (Video) (free, highly recommended, downloads map/navigation from an active Internet connection)
iNav iGuidance 4 (Video) (My preferred program for USA navigation, has text to speech for street names, needs workaround to work with the internal GPS, see "known software issues and workarounds for GPS navigation software" FAQ section below).
TomTom 6.030 (Video) (My preferred program for European navigation)
iGO My way 2006 Plus (Video) (Has maps available for some areas that no other navigation software has, such as Egypt).
MGMaps (Video) (Free, Java based, see "known software issues and workarounds for GPS navigation software" FAQ section below)
Holux GPS Viewer (free, starts communication with GPS module, gives GPS satellite status)
Software that others have reported success with include:
Garmin Mobile XT (Video) (requires hacks, see "known software issues and workarounds for GPS navigation software" FAQ section below)
Mapopolis (no longer sold)
Route 66 Navigate 7 (Video of SmartPhone Version)
Pharos Ostia
How much will I be charged for using the GPS?
Accessing the GPS satellite data is completely free. However, some GPS applications (such as TomTom Navigator or Sprint Navigator) are commercial and are not free. Also, be aware that some applications (such as Google Maps Mobile and Sprint Navigator) get their mapping data on-line from the Internet. If you wish to use these "online" applications make sure your service plan includes an appropriate data option to prevent unwanted Internet access charges. All Sprint SERO plans automatically include unlimited data for no extra charge.
Why does my application never find (or find slowly) my built-in GPS?
It seems that the way the gpsOne chipset is implemented, through Microsoft's Intermediate GPS driver, requires it to be primed/started in way not all GPS applications support. Some people have been using Google Maps Mobile to prime the GPS so it can be used with another application, such as TomTom. I've found a much better way to prime the GPS application, using the freely available Holux GPS Viewer v1.5, which you can get HERE. Once you run the application, make sure, under the Setup tab, that the Com Port: is set to COM4:, then just press the "Open GPS" button. You should start recieving a scrolling list of NMEA protocol messages in the listbox below.
You can check the satellite status by going to the "GPS Status" tab. For an accurate fix you must have a signal to at least 4 satellites (at least 4 blue bars).
Once you have a lock you can start the application you wish to use the GPS with, such as TomTom. Once your application is working with the GPS you can exit the GPS Viewer application if you wish. The GPS may stop working if the GPS Viewer application isn't running, and your device goes into standby mode. You can leave GPS Viewer running the background, so that the GPS restarts on wakeup, but this sucks up around 5% CPU power and uses about 1MB of program memory. Hopefully someone can find/program an application that runs as a service in the background taking minimal CPU power that does the same thing that GPS Viewer does (GPSGate does not work).
I was a little annoyed that I had to reselect COM4: every time I started GPS Viewer, so I created a hacked version that preselects COM4 for you, which you can get HERE.
UPDATE 1 ( 1-27-08 ) - Baffles and tekmaven are working on a background service which will keep the GPS running on demand. It should have support for either keeping it going all the time, when you tell it to, or by detecting when GPS-using apps are running.
UPDATE 2 ( 1-27-08 ) - Some have also reported having good luck with VisualGPSce, which uses around 320KB program memory, and around 15% of the CPU when running in the background.
UPDATE 3 ( 1-27-08 ) - Baffles has just released BAF's GPS Launcher v0.1-test. Mirror HERE (post by yacko). The launcher, will set up/connect to the internal GPS, then launch a specified GPS app (TomTom,iGo, etc.). It's pretty basic in functionality, but it gets the job done for now. The next revision of this will end up being a background service on the phone that automatically enables GPS as needed, but for now, this is a better solution than running Google Maps Mobile/Holux GPS Viewer/etc in the background.
UPDATE 4 ( 1-29-08 ) - Shadowmite has just released GPS Launcher. It's a universal GPS proxy launcher. It works in a similar manner to Baf's launcher, but it's written in native code so it should run a lot faster, and take up less memory.
UPDATE 5 ( 1-30-08 ) - AstronusX has just released AstroGPSLauncher. As with the above launchers it opens the GPS port and launches your specified GPS application. It will close itself when you close the GPS application. It's also written in native code, the program is only 10k and uses a minuscule 2k of RAM. Since it keeps running in background until you exit your GPS software will allow your GPS software to reacquire the GPS signal when your Titan comes back from standby (power button) mode.
How can I keep my GPS alive in the background?
I have found no way of keeping the GPS alive while in standby mode. So your best bet, if you want the GPS always running, is to make sure you don't turn off the Titan (which puts it into standby mode). Instead, just turn off turn off the display back light (to maximize battery power). To keep the GPS alive, run the Holux GPS viewer, or better yet just use the AstroGPSLauncher (referenced above). These programs, while running, restart GPS communication when the phone comes back from standby mode. Be careful though, this can be a big battery drain if you're in a weak GPS signal area.
It takes too long to get an initial lock on the GPS satellites (cold boot), is there a way to make it faster?
Our HTC cousin, the Kaiser/Tilt/TyTn II, also with a gpsOne based GPS, included an application called QuickGPS. QuickGPS downloads current orbital satellite locations from the Internet, helping the GPS get its initial (cold) lock faster. It requires an Internet connection to download the orbital data, it does not initiate an Internet Connection for you (so you may have to connect to the Internet yourself first).
You can get QuickGPS (ripped from the Kaiser ROM) : HERE. Make sure you install this into main memory.
After tapping the Download button in QuickGPS, the status bar would reach 100%, and then gave me a "Connection failed" error. It seems the ephemeris orbital data (xtra.bin) is downloaded to the "\Temp" folder, but never copied to the "\Windows" folder. I was able to fix this by, first making sure my QuickGPS registry settings matched the settings shown HERE, and hacking the QuickGPS.exe as described HERE
I have included a patched version of QuickGPS, along with a Resco Regedit export of my QuickGPS registry settings for download HERE (copy the "QuickGPS.exe" into your mobile device's "\Windows" folder).
I have no idea if QuickGPS actually helps/works, since I haven't really had to opportunity to test it yet.
I've tried everything in this FAQ, but can't get the GPS to respond, what else can I try?
Some things that others have had tried that they claimed helped include:
Toggling your phone's location setting is set to "OFF", OKing it, and toggling it back "ON".
As with any GPS unit, you the clearer view of the sky you have, the more likely you'll catch a GPS signal. Also, if you're moving often (such as driving a Car) the GPS will have a harder time getting an initial lock. Ideally try standing outside 5-20 minutes with a program that can start the GPS running, such as "Holux GPS Viewer", and see if that helps.
Hard reseting.
How can I find GPS radio status information?
In your dialer (Green handset button), dial the Debug code ##33284# (this just runs "\Windows\FieldTrial.exe").
In the application that opens, press the "Debug Info" button (left Soft-Key). In the menu that pops up, choose "GPS".
What kind of GPS device is inside the Titan?
The chipset the Titan uses is the Qualcomm MSM7500. As part of this chipset there's an embedded gpsOne GPS module.
The gpsOne can operate in 4 modes:
Standalone - Your handset has no connection to the network, and uses only the GPS satellite signals it can currently receive to try and establish a location.
MS Based - Your handset is connected to the network, and uses the GPS signals + a location signal from the network.
MS Assisted - Your handset is connected to the network, uses GPS signals + a location signal then relays its 'fix' to the server, which then uses the signal strength from your phone to the network towers to further plot your position. You can still maintain voice communication in this scenario, but not 'Internet/Network service' ie Web Browser, IM, streaming TV etc..
MS Assisted/Hybrid - Same as above, but network functionality remains. Normally only in areas with exceptional coverage.
I'm guessing (not verified) that ours runs in "Standalone" mode since the GPS stays on and keeps getting data if the phone is off (to turn off just the phone part of the Mogul, go to the Today Screen, hold down the red hang-up button for 3-4 seconds, and then let go).
When is the GPS active, how do I turn it off?
The GPS isn't active once you exit all applications that may be accessing it. Trying putting your Titan into standby (press the power button), wait 20 seconds, and turn it back on. If the GPS is still active then that means you most likely have some program running in the background keeping the GPS alive.
To disable the GPS, set your phone's location setting to "OFF". You can do this by launching the "Phone" app (found in Start->Settings->"Personal" tab), then:
Under the "Services" tab, choose the "Location Setting" item in the listbox, and press the "Get Settings..." button.
Make sure the "Phone: Location Setting" is set to "OFF"
OK everything, and soft reset your phone
How do I enable GPS Camera Mode?
Our HTC cousin the Tilt/Kaiser/TyTn II has a feature that lets you populate a camera phone's photo EXIF data with GPS location information. It looks like the Titan has registry entries concerning this feature, but no one has been able to make it work yet. Information on an attempt to enable this feature can be found HERE.
Can I use the internal GPS on my Titan as Bluetooth or USB GPS device for use with my PC?
Yes. though I haven't tested this myself, you should be able to do this through the free application GPS2Blue. To use your GPS via USB cable, check out the section titled "How to use with TCP/IP over USB?".
A commercial alternative to GPS2Blue is Franson GpsGate.
Observations:
The GPS turns off when the mobile device goes into standby mode (would be nice if there was a way to keep the GPS alive even in standby mode).
If you put the Titan into standby (power off) while it's attempting to initialize the GPS the system will respond very slowly. It will take a long time to turn back on, and may even appear hard locked. Once the GPS is initialized the system responds normally again. This behavior can also be seen if your terminate an application while it's attempting to initialize the GPS.
What's the best GPS navigation software?
This is one of the most often, and trickiest question to answer. It's tricky because the feature-set and selection of available navigation software changes quickly, and some of what's considered "best" is based on opinion. One person may consider a certain feature crucial, while another wouldn't care about it at all. There are tons of articles, forum posts, and reviews you can find on-line comparing navigation software. I will try to do a quick and dirty rundown of available software. To read discussions concerning Windows Mobile navigation software I recommend visiting the GpsPasSion forums (specifically the PDA Navigation subforum. To see what a particular piece of navigation software looks like when running, I recommend visiting YouTube.
Also be sure to read the "software notes" FAQ below for any gotchyas concerning software you may be considering.
Some feature terms to learn:
Voice Navigation = The software will direct you with voice prompts (eg. "in 500 yards turn left")
Text-To-Speech for road names = The software will direct you with voice prompts that include road name (eg. "in 500 yards turn left at Main street")
Offline Navigation = You don't need an active data (Internet) connection to get map/navigation data.
Online Navigation = You need an active data (Internet) connection to get map/navigation data. Map data is typically stored on your storage (SD) card. For instance iGuidance requires 1.3GB for its North American mapping data, and TomTom request 896MB for its North American mapping data. iGo has state by state maps available, which are smaller in size (California is about 140MB).
The software that is:
Most popular for US/Canadian areas:
iGuidance (no current European maps), TomTom
Most popular for European (and other countries) areas:
TomTom and iGO
Free (currently no free navigation software supports voice navigation, and all are online):
Google Maps Mobile and Microsoft Live Search
Online:
Google Maps Mobile, Microsoft Live Search, Sprint Navigation
Offline (All support voice navigation):
iGuidance, TomTom, iGO, Garmin Mobile XT, Route 66, Destinator. Mapopolis
Supports Text-To-Speech for road names:
iGuidance, Mapopolis, and Sprint Navigation
What are the known issues and workarounds for GPS navigation software?
TomTom Navigator:
Requires software such as "Holux GPS Viewer" to start the GPS.
Set the GPS to "Other NMEA GPS receiver", with a "GPS baud rate" of 4800, and set to "COM4:".
Requires 896MB of storage space for North American mapping data.
When starting TomTom, the sound is muted, and you have to choose the "Change preferences"->"Turn on sound" menu item twice to turn the sound on. This is a known behavior for TomTom if you start the application with an active data connection. If you start TomTom without an active data connection the sound will start out muted.
iNav iGuidance:
Requires software such as "Holux GPS Viewer" to start the GPS.
Requires 1.3GB of storage space for North American mapping data.
GPS seems to be detected (icon turns green), but will rarely refresh the screen with updated location data. This issue is discussed HERE, HERE, and in this thread. I remember having problems with iGuidance before, when targeting it to the Microsoft GPS redirector port with my Bluetooth GPS. I had to point iGuidance directly to the Bluetooth COM port. This seems to be a problem with iNav's inability to work properly with the Microsoft GPS redirector driver. Customers should shoot off an email to INav, so that hopefully they can fix this issue.
A workaround is to install a different redirector, such as Franson GpsGate. Once installed GpsGate installs a tray icon in your Today screen (red or green icon in lower right hand corner of the Today screen).
Tap the tray icon, and choose the "Settings" menu item.
On the "Input" tab set it to "COM4".
On the "Output" tab, choose "Virtual COM Port" under the "Add output" section, and press the "Add" button.
Set the "Virtual port" to an available COM port, such as "COM2".
Press the "OK" button.
On the "Input" tab press the "Open" button.
In iGuidance:
Go to the "Tools" menu, and choose the "GPS Options" submenu, then choose the "COM Port" submenu item. Set it to the same port you used for your "Virtual Port" (COM2 in the example above).
Go to the "Tools" menu, and choose the "GPS Options" submenu, then choose the "Baud Rate" submenu item. Set it to "4800".
A freeware alternative to GpsGate, named GPSProxy, is available HERE. (untested)
I created an iGuidance one tap autolauncher. If GpsGate is not running, it starts it. The script then stores your device's current power timeout, and backlight timeout and brightness settings. Then sets your device for no timeouts for power and backlight, and sets your backlight to maximum brightness. It then sets iGuidance to skip the startup warning dialog, before launching iGuidance through AstroGPSLauncher. Once you exit iGuidance the script will restore your previous backlight/power settings. The only thing not working in the script right now is that it doesn't terminate GpsGate on exit if the script started GpsGate. I have not found a reliable way to close GpsGate. All current methods I've tried of closing/terminating GpsGate leave an unresponsive icon in the tray of the Today screen.
For those who are interested, I've made a copy of this script available for download HERE. Instructions on how to install/use the script are in the included "iGuidanceInternalGPSLauncher.mscr" Mortscript file.
Garmin Mobile XT:
The current version of Mobile XT is tied to the Bluetooth GPS they sell it with. At the recent CES show a rep from Garmin indicated that they will soon be selling a new version that can be used with any GPS device. Until then, our Kaiser/Tilt cousins have created some hacks that make Mobile XT work their internal GPS, that should also work on the Titan. Information on this is HERE.
iGO:
Also sold under the Navigon MobileNavigator and MioMap names.
Mapopolis:
No longer sold
Sprint Navigation
Included as part of the extended ROM installation after a hard reset. If you skipped the extended ROM installation, or are running a custom ROM, you can find the CAB install HERE.
Costs $9.99 a month or $2.99 a day. Includes a free 2-day trial.
Not included with SERO plans (part of the "Sprint Power Vision Navigation Pack" and "Sprint Power Vision Ultimate Pack").
More info HERE.
Route 66 Navigate 7:
Requires software such as "Holux GPS Viewer" to start the GPS.
MGMaps:
Java Based, works with included Java Midlet Manager (Jeodek). Does not work with JBed (doesn't support serial communication).
Get the generic full version, Sprint version doesn't work.
What are the GPS related registry entries and their default values?
These are all the registry settings I could find relating to the GPS and their default values. This is from a virgin Sprint v3.16.651.0, with extended ROM apps skipped, and only Resco Explorer/Regedit installed.
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\SUPL AGPS]
"EnableGPSSmartMode"=dword:00000001
"ServerPort"=dword:00001E6C
"ServerIP"="195.207.101.126"
"QosPerformance"=dword:00000059
"QoSAccuracy"=dword:00000032
"TimeBetweenFixes"=dword:00000001
"NumberFixes"=dword:3B9AC9FF
"GPSMode"=dword:00000002
"EnableAGPS"=dword:00000001
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\OEM\PhoneSetting\LocationSetting]
"ServiceDescExt"="but will not hide your general location based on the cell site serving your call. No application or service may use your location without your request or permission. GPS enhanced 911 is not available in all areas."
"ServiceDesc"="Turning location on will allow the network to detect your position using GPS technology, making some Sprint PCS applications and services easier to use. Turning location off will disable the GPS location function for all purposes except 911,"
"ItemMessageDesc2"=""
"ItemValue2"=dword:00000003
"ItemName2"="OFF"
"ItemMessageDesc1"=""
"ItemValue1"=dword:00000000
"ItemName1"="ON"
"ItemCount"=dword:00000002
"ServiceTitle"="Phone: Location Setting"
"ServiceName"="Location Setting"
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\Camera\General]
"MaximalGPSInitialTime"=dword:00000708
"PositionMaximalAge"=dword:00000002
"MeteringMode"=dword:00000000
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\Camera\Image]
"GpsSaveFolder_0409"="My POI"
"GpsPrefixString"="GPS"
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Services\GPSDaemonService]
"Index"=dword:00000001
"Prefix"="GPC"
"Keep"=dword:00000001
"Order"=dword:00000009
"Description"="Services PPP events on behalf of GPS"
"DisplayName"="GPS Daemon Service"
"Dll"="GpsDaemonService.dll"
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver]
"OldLogFile"="\\windows\\GPSLogFileBack.txt"
"CurrentLogFile"="\\windows\\GPSLogFile.txt"
"IsEnabled"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer]
"DriverInterface"="COM4:"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer\ActiveDevice]
"Index"=dword:00000004
"Prefix"="COM"
"Dll"="GPSID_QCT.dll"
"Context"=dword:12344160
"Flags"=dword:00000002
"Keep"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers]
"SleepOnNoData"=dword:000003E8
"RetryWaitOnError"=dword:00000003
"OutputBufferSize"=dword:00001000
"InputBufferSize"=dword:00001000
"CurrentDriver"="GPSOneDevice"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneDevice]
"Version"=dword:00000001
"PollInterval"=dword:000001F4
"DriverName"="TAI"
"FriendlyName"="QualComm GpsOne Card, version 0.0"
"InterfaceType"="POLL"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneEmulate]
"Filex"="\\windows\\GPSOneFileSimulation.txt"
"FriendlyName"="QualComm GpsOne File, version 0.0"
"InterfaceType"="File"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOnePort]
"CommPort"="COM1:"
"FriendlyName"="QualComm GpsOne Card, version 0.0"
"InterfaceType"="COMM"
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer]
"DriverInterface"="COM4:"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer\ActiveDevice]
"Index"=dword:00000004
"Prefix"="COM"
"Dll"="GPSID_QCT.dll"
"Context"=dword:12344160
"Flags"=dword:00000002
"Keep"=dword:00000001
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\Active\36]
"Hnd"=dword:0005AFF0
"Name"="GPS1:"
"Key"="Drivers\\BuiltIn\\VirtCOM_GPS1"
"BusParent"=dword:000322E0
"InterfaceType"=dword:00000000
"BusName"="BuiltInPhase1_0_8_0"
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\Active\59]
"Hnd"=dword:00AFBAB0
"Name"="GPD0:"
"Key"="Drivers\\BuiltIn\\GPSID"
"BusParent"=dword:000322E0
"InterfaceType"=dword:00000000
"BusName"="BuiltInPhase1_0_53_0"
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\Active\60]
"Hnd"=dword:00AFCB60
"Name"="COM4:"
"Key"="SYSTEM\\CurrentControlSet\\GPS Intermediate Driver\\Multiplexer\\ActiveDevice"
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID]
"IClass"="{A32942B7-920C-486b-B0E6-92A702A99B35}"
"Dll"="GPSID_QCT.dll"
"Flags"=dword:00000002
"Context"=dword:00000000
"Index"=dword:00000000
"Prefix"="GPD"
"Keep"=dword:00000001
"Order"=dword:00000010
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\VirtCOM_GPS1]
"DevConfig"=hex:20,00,00,00,05,00,00,00,10,01,00,00,00,4B,00,00,00,00,08,00,00,00,00,\
00,00
"FriendlyName"="Virtual GPS1"
"DeviceType"=dword:00000000
"Order"=dword:00000003
"DeviceArrayIndex"=dword:00000000
"Index"=dword:00000001
"Prefix"="GPS"
"Dll"="VIRSER_GPS.dll"
Other reading:
Jake's GPS 101 Tutorial on Aximsite
Detailed article on AGPS
Wikipedia Article on AGPS
Wikipedia Article on gpsOne chipset
General GPS Info
How Quick GPS Works
More info on how Quick GPS Works
Other Apps:
MMeteo (AccuWeather.com + Wetter.com in HTC today and GPS Ephemeris synchronization (same as QuickGPS), haven't tried it)
VisualGPSce (does what GPSViewer does, only 320KB running program memory, around 15% CPU usage when running minimized)
Globalsat GPSInfo (does what GPSViewer does, haven't tried it)
HTCGPSTool.exe (preproduction tool, download link at the bottom, doesn't work too well, but might be of interest to some).
Credits:
duttythroy for providing the QuickGPS cab from the Kaiser.
McHale for his QuickGPS registry discoveries.
Ruptor for his QuickGPS.exe hack.
vetvito for his rip of 3.16.651.0's EXtROM (included CAB install for Sprint Navigation).
Baffles for BAF's GPS Launcher
Shadowmite for his GPS Launcher
AstronusX for AstroGPSLauncher
Reserved for future use 4.
Great post. Thanks.
wow seems very useful. is i guidance free? or is it possible to hack?
idenkilla said:
wow seems very useful. is i guidance free? or is it possible to hack?
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IGuidance is commercial software. It doesn't require an active Internet connection because all the map data is stored locally on your SD Card. Version 4 is about $100, and requires you to have 1.3GB free on a storage card to fit the US map it comes with (version 3 came with state maps, but version 4 only comes with one big "USA" map). Every piece of software I've listed links to either a download location or a information page describing the software. Check out youtube if you want to see what a particular piece of software looks like when running.
thanks very useful info!
Do you know how to enable AGPS on this device? I'd like to be able to get GPS signal from cellular triangulation so I can use location services indoors.
I go into debug mode, and under GPS, everything is NA. Is this mean my mogul don't have a chip inside?
I launched GPS from Google maps, and it stuck in the "Seeking GPS satellites" screen. A blue screen with no maps.
Any help?
I've noticed some people saying they're having trouble with their gps, when really it isn't the gps giving them a problem. After a lot of testing, I've found that if you do not have an active EVDO data connection, the gps will not function correctly with google maps or live search. This is not because the gps is malfunctioning, it's because the program can't connect to load the maps...and this will make it seem like the GPS is not working. My recommendation is, don't give up on your gps unless you know you have a solid data connection when you try it (it also helps to have a clear line of the sky, though not required). That is, unless you use software that doesn't require an internet connection.
I'd like to point out that the wonderful app Mapopolis (which unfortunately is no longer being supported) works wonderfully with the built in GPS, reads street names (like iguidance), can be loaded by county instead of one big "US" map, and apparently does NOT need to be primed/inited!!
That last part came as a surprise to me since the software predates google maps and many of the later editions of Tom Tom, etc.
I happen to have acquired a license for all of their US maps a few years ago (before there were even so many options) and it continues to surprise me as far as just how well it works!
I'd like to point out that the wonderful app Mapopolis (which unfortunately is no longer being supported) works wonderfully with the built in GPS, reads street names (like iguidance), can be loaded by county instead of one big "US" map, and apparently does NOT need to be primed/inited!!
That last part came as a surprise to me since the software predates google maps and many of the later editions of Tom Tom, etc.
I happen to have acquired a license for all of their US maps a few years ago (before there were even so many options) and it continues to surprise me as far as just how well it works!
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Is this a single license that only works on one device....or can it be used on multiple devices
Hiking/Geocaching SW?
I have Nav in both of my cars, so I'm not that needy for street-type navigation software. On the other hand, I use a Magellan explorist 400 for hiking and so forth. Any recommendations for PPC nav software that can replace this device now that GPS is activated?
Trouble in GPS Paradise with iNavigator
I have iGuidance and have been using it with an external BlueTooth GPS receiver. Have been blown away with how iGuidance performed and did with a signal that was sent from this external source. Keeps up well when traveling at any speed.
That being said. I am having an HORRIBLE time with iGuidance performance with the internal GPS at Com4 that is in this new ROM. It sticks for extended periods of time (4, 5, 6, infinity minutes) and therefore ends up being useless for navigation. I've played with the Baud rate settings and what is running in the background, i.e. googlemaps, or GPSViewer, or Live, and nothing gets IGuidance to perform even remotely close to the way it does with my external receiver.
I feel I'm pretty experienced with the GPS concept on the Mogul and really don't understand first of all why my external Baud rate is at 38,400 and this internal is at 4800?
In watching GPSViewer while traveling (that's right... stay off the road if I'm on it) it shows that the Lat and Long are updating continuously so it isn't that the GPS system isn't getting the signal... there's just some kind of problem that I'm having with getting the signal from there to iNav.
Any ideas would be helpful. I start out prior to cranking up INav with ~15MB of program memory and iNav is somewhat of a Program memory hog. It states that you should have ~20MB but then again... it works fine when I'm getting the signal from the external receiver so I still don't see this as the actual problem.
Anyone else have a chance in the last 4 days to really test the GPS on the road... as opposed to just getting excited about standing in the snow and getting GPS.
It's all good that we've got this faster (Rev A is off the hook with speed for me here in Atlanta) machine with GPS but if my only option is to throw $10 a month at Sprint them I'm going to just end up using my external to get my GPS signal.... Really silly if it is built in...
Hope you're reading this Sprint! ;-P
Anyone else have a chance in the last 4 days to really test the GPS on the road... as opposed to just getting excited about standing in the snow and getting GPS.
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I've successfully tested the GPS both on the road AND on foot walking around the city lol. I am able to get between 7 and 8 satellites successfully and it's accurate to within 5-10 feet. I'm not sure about your problems with iGuidance as I've never used the software, but with both Google Maps and Live Search, it performs very well and accurate (on the road). lol
Yup! No problem with Google Maps and Live Search. They keep up as well while on the road. The only problem is they really aren't designed like TRUE GPS software... They don't prompt turns, they don't reroute if you get off route, not in 3D view, etc.
Wish GoogleMaps had an upgrade to it that made it TRUE GPS software. I'd pay $100 for it!
It's just somewhat bizarre to me that Sprint created their own Nav software, that has to download maps on the fly (as GM and LS do) and that it keeps up with the location no problem (I tried Sprint's Nav software over the weekend), BUT, iNav that has all of the Maps right there on the SD card can't keep up... Maybe it's iNav's problem and I'll contact them about it but then again... maybe it's a conspiracy by Sprint to get $9.95 out of us every month to use their software by making other software packages have problems! HEHE. Just kidding... Sortof...
I'll be updating the FAQ later today with software notes.
Concerning IGuidance, I haven't tested it on the road yet. I Just tested to see if it recognized the internal GPS. I remember having problems with IGudiance before when targeting it to the Microsoft GPS redirector when using my Bluetooth GPS. I had to point IGuidance directly to it. This seems to be a problem with INav inability to work properly with the Microsoft GPS redirector driver. Customers should shoot off an email to INav, so hopefully they can fix this issue. One thing to try (I haven't yet), is to install different redirector such as Franson GPSGate and point the source port at com4, and create a target virtual COM port at COM8 or COM9, then point IGuidance at the virtual port, and see if that works better with IGuidance.
i have all the right roms installed and im sure all i need now is the appropriate software....... i live in canada......and i want to use the cell towers instead of satellites.
thx all
phew i just spent all day trying to figure this stuff out and i still am in the dark......ack!
Google Maps with My Location
Microsoft Live Search
windows maps dont work for canada and does google maps need a constant internet connection? telus wont give my htc unlimited net service at all.
dieseldennis said:
windows maps dont work for canada and does google maps need a constant internet connection? telus wont give my htc unlimited net service at all.
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I believe it does. Because if you start the program with out any data connection it will exit out. And if you are trying to go on a trip and need directions or are trying to follow the map it wont update unless you have a constant data connection.
dieseldennis said:
windows maps dont work for canada and does google maps need a constant internet connection? telus wont give my htc unlimited net service at all.
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Yes it does need internet connection , it downloads maps as you go!
NotLutzik said:
Google Maps with My Location
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I've never been able to pull a location with GMM on the Mogul using just towers
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I've never been able to pull a location with GMM on the Mogul using just towers
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Maybe in canada it doesnt work...I tried in NYC and it worked. Not really accurate but good for emergencies i guess
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I've never been able to pull a location with GMM on the Mogul using just towers
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Are you using a Custom ROM?
Because I hear that some Custom ROMS have the AGPS feauture disabled. This is what is used for cellular traingulation ( using the towers )
i think i figures it out for now guys....... i didnt know that i had satellite gps on my phone already . i loaded all the appropriate roms from this awsome site!....... so now im just looking fo an easily hackable gps navigator i think ill try tomtom for now but i gotta figure out how to load and register the iso to my pda........ if i like it ill definetly buy it but i want to sure and safe this stuff isnt cheap
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I've never been able to pull a location with GMM on the Mogul using just towers
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It's my understanding that Sprint doesn't use towers to locate position, so you can't use the Mogul to report your location with towers...you would have to use the GPS.
TomTom is working great
Works great with or without cell signal and easy to install and fix.
Is there any GPS program that doesnt require a data connection? Some that have a local Maps database. I have GPS receiver but i dont have a data plan so can't use google maps. Any suggestion? PathAway is one of them but that thing so complicated to use..and expensive
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Is there any GPS program that doesnt require a data connection? Some that have a local Maps database. I have GPS receiver but i dont have a data plan so can't use google maps. Any suggestion? PathAway is one of them but that thing so complicated to use..and expensive
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Yes there is. I personally use Tom Tom Navigator 6. This is ONLY the GPS software. I believe the other versions of Tom Tom have the software and a bluetooth GPS receiver in the package ( more expensive ).
You can also use the GARMIN GPS software. I believe it is a little bit cheaper on the price then Tom Tom, but It might lack some features.
I'm sure there are others but those two I believe these are the most known / used.
You can also use the GARMIN GPS software. I believe it is a little bit cheaper on the price then Tom Tom, but It might lack some features.
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Actually I find the Garmin has more features than the Tom Tom.
and the latest version of XT has a much better addressing system as far as finding addresses.
I live in a Rural area where roads sometimes have two names because two routes join together....
Tom Tom doesn't recognize one or the other route and will sometimes only take the lesser known route as input instead of the major roadways designation.
Both are great navigators though...I just prefer the garmin.
do you guys know how I set up the GPS after the ROM upgrades? I have tomtom, but it doesn't recognize the internal gps
It was my understanding the location from cell towers doesn't work on 6800 in google maps???
Am I reading this thread correctly that there IS a way to get this to work?
Zenoran said:
It was my understanding the location from cell towers doesn't work on 6800 in google maps???
Am I reading this thread correctly that there IS a way to get this to work?
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The original version of google maps doesnt use cellular triangulation (towers / agps) the NEW Beta Version does. Also if you don't like Google Maps you can also use Microsoft Live Search.
To get the New Google Maps Beta w/ Cellular Triangulation go here:
http://www.google.com/gmm/mylocation.html?hl=en
If you want Microsoft Live Search Mobile visit:
ls.windowsmobile.com on your cell phone via your designated browser.
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do you guys know how I set up the GPS after the ROM upgrades? I have tomtom, but it doesn't recognize the internal gps
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Enable Location On instead of 911 on your cell phone first.
You can go to the dialer and press the menu button -- options -- services -- location setting and press GET SETTINGS and enable Location on.
The go to start -- settings -- system -- external gps : make sure that on the programs tap that COM4 is set on the GPS program port menu. On the hardware tab chose NONE as the GPS hardware port menu and for the baud rate choose 4800. Finally on the access tap check the Manage GPS automatically box
All that is to set the GPS to work on GPS software (tom tom, google maps, microsoft live search ......)
Now to the Tom Tom part.
Once Tom Tom is installed and still doesn't get a GPS signal you must then configure the GPS to work with Tom Tom.
Initialize Tom Tom. Go to the Change Preferences Tab ( menu tab that looks like a wrench)
Look for the Show GPS Status Icon ( it is a Satellite ) then click on it.
Once in click on the Configure Tab on the lower left side.
Select the Other NMEA GPS Receiver when you try to select a GPS Receiver : then once selected you will be prompted to change the baud rate ( make sure it is 4800 ). Once you click done you will have a menu stating " GPS is Connected to" and you must choose COM 4:
Now your done.
The bad thing about the GPS in our TITANS / 6800's is that it is not always running and it needs to warm up / initialize first in order to get a signal in any application.
You can either wait until it picks up a signal or download a program to help you initiate the GPS receiver when you want to use Tom Tom.
I'll provide you a program that helps initialize the GPS and then launches Tom Tom for you. ( This saves time trying to warm up the GPS and then looking for the Tom Tom app and running it)
Dont get irritated if Tom Tom doesn't recognize the GPS right away it might take less then a minute when you are in your car or are in sight of the clear sky. Tom Tom doesn't seem to work well in doors.
I hope this helped you out abit.
If you rather choose another GPS warm up / initializing software you can research on your own. Im just supplying you with something that works only with Tom Tom.
Once you download the software extracted in your computer....and copy the software to your device not the SD card - \windows\start menu\programs
This is not a CAB it is an executable.
dieseldennis said:
i have all the right roms installed and im sure all i need now is the appropriate software....... i live in canada......and i want to use the cell towers instead of satellites.
thx all
phew i just spent all day trying to figure this stuff out and i still am in the dark......ack!
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So if I read this right, you want to use a GPS-like function that doesn't use GPS satellites. You want to use cell towers to do triangulation. Navizon makes a product:
http://www.navizon.com/navizon_v-gps.asp
It can provide GPS data output but it does triangulation via cell towers and wifi access points.
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Hi folks! I have a question. My friend has htc hero with latest official rom (dunno what it is). He is a traveler and wants gps to work without using data connection, bcs it's extremely expensive on his operator. He said, that in android 1.6 there was pure gps and it needn't to use data connection to receive location. If he uses any app like gps status or nav app without data connection, gps doesn't receive location. I have samsung device and there is an app, called AngryGPS, there i can change everything about gps settings, including SUPL server and how gps will work (MSBASED or STANDALONE). How can i change settings on his hero? Maybe by porting this app on hero? Rooting is not a problem, i can make it, if it's necessary.
added: if i turn off receiving location from wireless networks in android settings, it not helps
P.S.: Sorry for my poor english
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Hi folks! I have a question. My friend has htc hero with latest official rom (dunno what it is). He is a traveler and wants gps to work without using data connection, bcs it's extremely expensive on his operator. He said, that in android 1.6 there was pure gps and it needn't to use data connection to receive location. If he uses any app like gps status or nav app without data connection, gps doesn't receive location. I have samsung device and there is an app, called AngryGPS, there i can change everything about gps settings, including SUPL server and how gps will work (MSBASED or STANDALONE). How can i change settings on his hero? Maybe by porting this app on hero? Rooting is not a problem, i can make it, if it's necessary.
added: if i turn off receiving location from wireless networks in android settings, it not helps
P.S.: Sorry for my poor english
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Use iGo for android...it's easy to use and only gps is req...no data connection, i used it a time ago and was very pleased with it...the menu is a little laggy put don't worry because it works well on the phone, without having any problems.
Keep me updated if you got the problem solved
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he said, that he uses Maverick and don't want to change it, he wants to change system settings to use gps in standalone mode
zy-el said:
he said, that he uses Maverick and don't want to change it, he wants to change system settings to use gps in standalone mode
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well he has to close the data connection and that's all
Stefan
zy-el said:
... If he uses any app like gps status or nav app without data connection, gps doesn't receive location....
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that's the problem
zy-el said:
that's the problem
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there are data & gps apps...so if you don't use a data connection you can't download content...that's why i recommend iGO for android
Stefan
he needs not to download content, he needs to connect to GPS without enabling data connection. Anyway, problem solved by installing patched version of angrygps and editing operation mode of gps module
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he needs not to download content, he needs to connect to GPS without enabling data connection. Anyway, problem solved by installing patched version of angrygps and editing operation mode of gps module
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that why i recommended iGO, it uses the maps preloaded on the sd card...
you completely ignore my messages? or my english is SO bad?
HIS GPS WON'T CONNECT WITHOUT DATA CONNECTION IS UP! Not the freaking nav application! Maverick uses preloaded maps too, GPS Status&Toolbox doesn't use maps at all, Turbo GPS doesn't use maps, every program that uses GPS to receive location or establishing connection with sattelites DOESN'T receive location or establish connection without data connection!
Now the problem is clear?
As i told, problem is solved
And iGO is total ****
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you completely ignore my messages? or my english is SO bad?
HIS GPS WON'T CONNECT WITHOUT DATA CONNECTION IS UP! Not the freaking nav application! Maverick uses preloaded maps too, GPS Status&Toolbox doesn't use maps at all, Turbo GPS doesn't use maps, every program that uses GPS to receive location or establishing connection with sattelites DOESN'T receive location or establish connection without data connection!
Now the problem is clear?
As i told, problem is solved
And iGO is total ****
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Damn tell me that "HIS GPS WON'T CONNECT WITHOUT DATA CONNECTION IS UP" from the first time... btw this is a rom related problem...