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Hey there, since yesterday I'm a proud owner of this nice phone with android and as I'm crazy about tweaking and stuff I want to get the best out of my phone.
Question 1.
What can I achieve by getting Android 2.1 on my phone?
Question 2.
Is it possible to make a decent backup/flash backup of the branded stuff that comes with my phone? If yes how could I achieve this?
Question 3.
If it's possible to safely backup (to be able to keep waranty intact somewhat) can I get the upgrade for 2.1 NOW? Because I still don't have it (slow ass T-Mobile doing it by serial number or something)
Question 4.
Rooting, is it a good idea? What can I achieve with rooting my device (I know it gives me root access but what can I do further if I have root access?)
Question 5.
If I ever brick my device, is it still possible to get the original firmware on it?
Those are my questions for now :0 Hope you people can help!
jeffroiscool said:
Hey there, since yesterday I'm a proud owner of this nice phone with android and as I'm crazy about tweaking and stuff I want to get the best out of my phone.
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Question 1.
What can I achieve by getting Android 2.1 on my phone?
Better performance, A little better theme than 1.6, better touch response, better battery life, access to Android 2.x only apps, somewhat improved bluetooth, live wallpaper and few more..
Question 2.
Is it possible to make a decent backup/flash backup of the branded stuff that comes with my phone? If yes how could I achieve this?
Root your phone and use titanium backup..
Question 3.
If it's possible to safely backup (to be able to keep waranty intact somewhat) can I get the upgrade for 2.1 NOW? Because I still don't have it (slow ass T-Mobile doing it by serial number or something)
You can back up normal data (and also apps from market in android 2.1) like contacts, messages, settings etc through Se back and restore utility.
For backing up system apps, or upgrading to 2.1 out of turn, you need to root your phone, that will theoretically void your warranty.
Question 4.
Rooting, is it a good idea? What can I achieve with rooting my device (I know it gives me root access but what can I do further if I have root access?)
Wonderful idea, only if you are familiar with system tweaking and somewhat familiar with linux. And you are willing to take risks.
for example -
a) You can simply install some very useful root only apps like titanium backup, root explorer, app2sd etc to manage your phone contents.
risk associated: very low to moderate
b) you can even change basic framework and theme of your phone, remove bloatware that comes with phone and use terminal emulator to have (almost) full fledged linux console. etc
risk associated: Moderate to High
c) When it comes out, you can even get custom roms on your phone
risk associated: Very high to Fatal
Question 5.
If I ever brick my device, is it still possible to get the original firmware on it?
Depends on how bad the phone is messed up, at the end all depends on your knowledge of using the right methods and right tools.
If you can get the phone to recognized by SEUS/PC Companian/Flash tool you can (hopefully) repair/reflash it with firmware.
Hope it helps..
Yeah it helps, I'm not afraid to toy with my new phone and I do have linux experience. The only thing I want to be sure of is if I can reset everything in case of a brick or something if I ever need to send the phone back to Sony
So if I use the sony ericsson updater my phone gets fully restored to their stuff? (Well not if I edit my serial-number to get 2.1 quickly so theoraticly they can always find out I fiddled with it I guess.
So what I'm actually planning to do is:
1. Have a backup ready for the thing above
2. Get Android 2.1
3. Root Android 2.1
4. Remove safe to remove Bloatware
5. Get a custom theme going. As I'm seeing so far the HTC Theme was ported somewhat? I definiatly want a good homescreen. How 1.6 is now sucks.
6. Have a method of EASILY organizing all my applications I'm going to install after doing the above.
7. Install apps
8. Customize to taste.
So to get 2.1 now I would need to edit that serial which I can do if I get rooted first which probably requires Exploid because SuperOneClick was 2.0+?
Rooting 2.1 is SuperOneClick thingy.
Removing safe stuff with Titanium Backup.
Get that theme and start tweaking.
Finding good homescreen/launcher tools.
Get my apps again (Appbrain ftw)
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So to get 2.1 now I would need to edit that serial which I can do if I get rooted first which probably requires Exploid because SuperOneClick was 2.0+?
Rooting 2.1 is SuperOneClick thingy.
Removing safe stuff with Titanium Backup.
Get that theme and start tweaking.
Finding good homescreen/launcher tools.
Get my apps again (Appbrain ftw)
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Yeah, you can use generic product code, or generic build.prop you can even find generic FW with flashtool on this forum.
PS: for 1.6 rooting Exploid works wonders..
I'm currently on a rooted stock 2.1...06.
i can't seem to find the Google Maps in the market.
my maps' version is at 4.4, but it says on appbrain that the latest is 5.3.1 for all android versions...
http://www.appbrain.com/app/google-maps/com.google.android.apps.maps
how can i update this?
i already tried searching for it, but found nothing.
also could not find gtalk and gmail...
any ideas?
try different os
Hey,
you can use different os like froyo final by owian or gingerbread 13, as your phone is already rooted. Try froyo u will really enjoy it, as i did ;-)
I have a Gtablet enroute right now and have been doing a lot of reading the last few days. When first released all the talk was that it was a nice peice of hardware but to be any good you had to use a custom ROM with it. Is this still the case with the latest 4xxx update?
Pexcer,
It all depends on what you want. That's what the choices XDA offers here are all
about.
When we started with G-Tablets back last fall, the software was so bad it was
almost unfunctional. It has improved with each update. With 4349 installed you
can put your apps on it and have a functional tablet -- but whether it is good enough
for you is your call.
There are a number of alternate ROMs and each has it assets and liabilities.
The only way I know to approach it is to read the threads related to each rom and
see what those advantages and disadvantages are. You can eliminate some that way.
And whatever you have left, you will just have to try and see what you like.
I know this is not the "Go use the _______________ rom" that a lot of people will
give you -- but I'm not pandering for anybody's rom. I believe everyone should
research, try and make their own choice.
Rev
Pexcer said:
I have a Gtablet enroute right now and have been doing a lot of reading the last few days. When first released all the talk was that it was a nice peice of hardware but to be any good you had to use a custom ROM with it. Is this still the case with the latest 4xxx update?
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I'm more inclined to go with the fastest rom I can get my hands on. I don't care about looks. And stock rom will never be able to fun as fast as custom rom.
That said, you should make this decision on your own. Depends on what you want. If you are like my brother in law who wants everything to be official and fully officially supported, then I suggest you stay with the stock upgraded rom. If you're like me who doesn't care that it's the official release and would rather have a super fast tablet, then custom rom is definitely the way to go.
In another thread, I was endorsing the new calk/clems combo v3, which my quadrant test resulted in 4081. I've posted a picture in this post. Right now, the only thing that seems to be faster than this is the modded xoom, which is only about 80 more. I highly doubt the stock rom will ever be able to give us this much power.
Thanks for the response. I may try the stock UI for a few days when I get it. I have been having difficulty in really seeing the differences between the different ROMs out there though. One thing I plan to do a lot is watch TV shows I've downloaded from TVtorrents, these are 720p x264 in an MKV, is there one mod that can handle Video like that or is that a non issue. I can also grab non HD formats which would have a higher chance of working, but would rather not.
I've also read that hulu can be made to work, at least on one ROM, can't recall which now. If one does Hulu and another doesn't that would be an issue as well. I only download shows that Hulu or Netflix doesn't have.
Any guidance from people familiar with the different options would be appreciated, might save me from some trial and error in the next couple weeks.
Pexcer said:
I've also read that hulu can be made to work, at least on one ROM, can't recall which now. If one does Hulu and another doesn't that would be an issue as well. I only download shows that Hulu or Netflix doesn't have.
Any guidance from people familiar with the different options would be appreciated, might save me from some trial and error in the next couple weeks.
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Torrents blows goats. their download speeds are as fast as my original G Tab os. File Hosting is the way to roll.
Off my soapbox, I agree with goodintentions. Speed and stability is the key. after that, ADW, 3D Launcher, VTLauncher and a few other Home screen launchers can customize your experience. let us know how yours runs. I won't go that route until the ROM's for it (1.2) are out and stable.
I don't have the newest update that just came out, so I can't comment on that. But I can mention why I went back to the stock ROM. I got my g tablet when woot was selling them. I left the stock rom on for a week and it worked pretty well as a shared device between me and my wife. The stock apps let you keep separate accounts. I put on clockwork and formatted the drive as recommended, then I tried TNT lite, g harmony, and cyanogen. They make your tablet like a big phone. When you sign in to the google apps, all you contacts, calendar, and emails are imported. This didn't work so well as a shared tablet. I decided to leave clockwork mod and the recommended formatting but put the original ROM back on. With the proper formatting, the thing isn't too bad. Probably not as fast as some of the folks here would like, but it serves our purpose as a shared device.
Half the fun (and half the aggravation) is trying different roms. Which is best? That is hard to say. Here is what I suggest. Don't get the latest update with the locked bootloader because then there is nothing you can play with. Get Titanium Backup so you can back up your apps. Learn how to connect t o your pc with usb so you can copy your stuff safely away while you play. Install clockworkmod so you can fix things and install different roms. NVflash is also a good thing to set up and learn but you don't have to right away unless you got the latest update. Now do this.
1. Use clockwork mod to make a backup of your original rom and copy it to your pc.
2. Download and install a new rom calkulin/clemsyn is nice. Use clockwork mod again to make a backup of that installation.
3. download another rom and install. Use clockworkmod to make a backup of that one.
4. When you've tried enough of them you can decide which one you like and restore it using clockwork mod.
5. Changed you mind? Restore one of the others!
6. Rinse and repeat as needed.
Remember Titanium Backup will backup your apps and data - so, if you install a new rom you can restore your apps and data. That means you don't have to go fetch them all in the market and you don't have to restart angry birds at level one.
There are lots of tutorials on how to do this stuff - read the stickys.
Good luck
Try a bunch of ROMs
I agree with enigma. I got my Gtablet last week and immediately updated hoping that the new stock ROM was good enough. It isn't. It's slow and "chunky" plus doesn't have access to the Android market.
I've heard good stuff about the calkulin/clemsyn and Vegan. Being that Vegan is Honeycomb I just went with that though I really should have tried calkulin/clemsyn too as so many must like it for a reason.
I'm new to Android as well so don't get too hung up on the difficulty of installing ROMs. There are very clear, step by step instructions to be found here. Each install takes maybe 15 minutes. So in an afternoon you could easily install and play with half a dozen ROMs before deciding on which you like better.
enigma0456 said:
Half the fun (and half the aggravation) is trying different roms. Which is best? That is hard to say. Here is what I suggest. Don't get the latest update with the locked bootloader because then there is nothing you can play with. Get Titanium Backup so you can back up your apps. Learn how to connect t o your pc with usb so you can copy your stuff safely away while you play. Install clockworkmod so you can fix things and install different roms. NVflash is also a good thing to set up and learn but you don't have to right away unless you got the latest update. Now do this.
1. Use clockwork mod to make a backup of your original rom and copy it to your pc.
2. Download and install a new rom calkulin/clemsyn is nice. Use clockwork mod again to make a backup of that installation.
3. download another rom and install. Use clockworkmod to make a backup of that one.
4. When you've tried enough of them you can decide which one you like and restore it using clockwork mod.
5. Changed you mind? Restore one of the others!
6. Rinse and repeat as needed.
Remember Titanium Backup will backup your apps and data - so, if you install a new rom you can restore your apps and data. That means you don't have to go fetch them all in the market and you don't have to restart angry birds at level one.
There are lots of tutorials on how to do this stuff - read the stickys.
Good luck
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if you need vpn, cifs then you need a custom ROM
It depends on what capabilities you want. I need VPN and COFS so I use TNTL 4.4. Also, you can install alternate keybaords. The custom ROMs also tend to fix a lot of issues.
Shame on Viewsonic for locking bootloader in the 1.2 branch.
ConfuciusTse said:
. Being that Vegan is Honeycomb I just went with that though I really should have tried calkulin/clemsyn too as so many must like it for a reason.
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I know somebody is gonna see this and say something, so I figure I'll be the first to point out its gingerbread not honeycomb.
muerteman said:
I know somebody is gonna see this and say something, so I figure I'll be the first to point out its gingerbread not honeycomb.
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haha, GB is good almost HC good so far.
I Have a few questions. first off. How do I know if I have voodoo. When I first got the phone and I was installing CWM and freezing bloat and all that, I swear I put voodoo on this. I even heard the robotic lady when I was doing it.
Right now I am still stuck on di01 and really want to get updated. To me, this has become too much work for what its worth. I kinda want to just go back to stock, have root and launcher pro and freeze the bloatware and just rely on Verizon for updates. I have tried for a few WEEKS now to update my phone on here and I always get stuck and run out of time. My life is too busy right now to be doing this.
So i guess my options are, first of all need to get voodoo disabled before I do anything, but I was told since I have a disappearing CWM(I installed it, but I cant get into it when I hold volume/pwer) that I should just get an "all in one package" from here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1048380
Then my second option is to just return to stock. Really all i care about is getting rid of touchwiz, getting rid of bloat, and having full control over my phone. By going back to stock, just having root and launcherpro, wouldnt this be accomplished? then when ever I want to update I just update through verizon and go get root again, right?
Maybe someone might want to list the pro's and cons of both options for me? thank you!
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If you want to disable voodoo,
"Create a file or folder named “disable lagfix” in a a directory named “Voodoo” in your internal SD card.
Reboot"
More detailed information can be found here:
http://project-voodoo.org/documentation
Honestly, if the launcher is the only part of the "touchwiz experience" that you really notice as being annoying and you don't mind having a lot of bing on your phone, then the way you mentioned in your initial post is the way for you to go. If you want to be more thorough in getting rid of Touchwiz and changing the overall experience of the phone, then check out the roms here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1013312
Johnny Bass said:
If you want to disable voodoo,
"Create a file or folder named “disable lagfix” in a a directory named “Voodoo” in your internal SD card.
Reboot"
More detailed information can be found here:
http://project-voodoo.org/documentation
Honestly, if the launcher is the only part of the "touchwiz experience" that you really notice as being annoying and you don't mind having a lot of bing on your phone, then the way you mentioned in your initial post is the way for you to go. If you want to be more thorough in getting rid of Touchwiz and changing the overall experience of the phone, then check out the roms here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1013312
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Hm. My phone is de-binged right now. i forgot about that. that would also be something that I would like to remove.
I am just not seeing all the hype for the roms compared to stock with root. all I care about is that things run smoothly and I control everything. Maybe I missing something though
I suggest u backup data with mybackup root, then flash di01 package using Odin, then update officially and restore data
Voodoo can be disabled by what the previous post said or by cwm
Also, if freezed the bloatware updates don't work. And to check voodoo, just run quadrant standard app and if score is 1500-2000 then u have voodoo, below 1000 then u don't
thanks for the clear instructions
Hello, I'm a new member here. Been reading for the past few days on this forum and I have a few questions.
First of all I have my phone for a month now and I got fed up with the little internal space, so about 4 days ago I decided to Root my phone with the "upd_1.zip" file. After that I flashed the CWM4 on it and whiped my battery data.
I meanwhile bought titanium backup also and moved few not so essential apps to the sd card via titanium backup (im not sure if this creates the needed partition on the SD card or not though? do i need to do it proprerly or is it good as is?)
To get to the point:
My main problem is that the phone since it got rooted started to "forget" it's settings... mainly what bugs me is the Contacts get unlinked every time i reboot the phone, accounts get unlinked, my adw launcher forgets it's theme (this also happens without reboot), my yahoo email doesn't notify me properly, and apps in general don't seem to work properly anymore... (i also thought it might be from the app move to sd card, but i left the launcher for example on the phone, also haven't touched the contacts app...so i don't know)
How can I fix this? Will a new ROM help me fix these problems?
If yes, can you recommend me any good roms? I was looking a lot at cyanogen mod and ice cream sunday, but i cannot decide which one to get because i'm not sure which one is the most stable one of them?
What matters most for me in a rom is probably to be stable without too many bugs, to run flash if possible and to be more responsive than my current stock 2.3.3 rom. I don't really use the stock apps/gps stuff either, except maybe the youtube app, camera and the market app
My other request is please someone write down how to install a damn rom for noobs without any abreviations because the developers' install description is really vague and abstract in many cases (for the Cyanogen mod or ICSunday please)
My phone runs:
S5840XWKP6
kernel
2.6.35.7-perf-CL313173
[email protected]#1
GB.XWKPJ
Thanks, Joker
Hello Mate
Whatever custom ROM you flash to will have a bug or two but they aren't anything serious thats just the thing with custom Rom's.
Installing Rom's is very easy as long as your phone is rooted (as you have already done) and you have CWM (clockwork mod recovery tool 5.xx not 4.xx) as you have said. There is a problem with CWM 4.xx with the Galaxy Ace it tends not to work properly.
All Rom's are downloaded from links on this website, copied to your SD card as a zip file (which it's downloaded as) then applied by using the CWM tool which appears in your apps after you have installed it.
There are lots of step by step instructions of how to do this just google "how to root galaxy ace" or "how to install CWM 5" or "how to install custom ROM" do you get my drift?
I'm using custom Ice cream sunday CM7.2 from the development section of this forum. It's fast got only what you need in a Rom and has hardly any bugs.
Do some reading my friend i've flashed my phone about 50 in the 2 months i've had it just testing ROM's but i like the one i have now.
Cool, thanks for the reply mate, do u have any idea about the problem i'm having lately by losing my settings?
I was asking for the how to flash guide because of statements like these:
"then install zip
after install, go through set up then set oc if you use and any other settings then reboot."
which makes no sense to me, go through what set up and what's an OC... and what other settings?.... get my drift?
And i'm currently downloading "theMyth" rom to test out... hope it turns out, it'll be my first custom rom
If your using clock work mod 4, it's not saving anything because it doesn't work with the galaxy ace i only found out after it messed up my phone and of course the back up of my settings didn't work!
OC means over clocked cpu application, yes you can over clock the cpu just the same as a pc or laptop make it run faster etc but it's not advised unless you know what your doing or you could fry it.
You definately need CWM 5 installed before you go flashing any new roms. Also have a good read of the reviews for a ROM before you try it etc that gives you all the info you need to know if you will get on with it or not.
uhm yeah... just flashed themyth on my phone and redownloaded titanium backup and it doesn't show up on my apps list, wtf
Make sure your installing apps to your phone and not your SD card??
Also check CWM has changed to version 5xx etc.
still if i would be installing to my sd card shouldn't it show up on my app draws or whatever it's called? on market i don't have "open" option only "uninstall"
Ahh yes i had this problem. Some custom roms need google apps (gapps) installed for your phone to receive stuff from the market.
Do you see the Andriod Market App? Can you sign in?
this is what i was telling you earlier depending on whos Rom you are installing depends what things they've taken out or left in. If it's taken out you have to download some or the apps again to get other things to work.
yup... i redownloaded it from the market, but "open" wouldn't show up, luckily i had the app on my dropbox too and i managed to start the restore apps on it now, im curious what happens when restore will finish
it worked afterall, im happy atm
cool mate you will learn alot by trying different roms but the basic process for flashing is always the same.
Hi guys!
I've been reading your comments on this thread and now i have a lot of questions!:
1) I have installed 4.0.0.9 but according to cooltt it's better CWM 5.x.x, how i can install it now?
2) I thought like jokerman170 to install TheMythICS but now i seeing that he has had problems, how you solved it? Which version you downloaded?
thanks in advanced!!
u can flash it just like the 4, i don't really like this rom, looks like a stupid theme and i got 256 rating on quadrant :| wtf
i downlaoded the TheMyth beta 2 full
icsunday2 here i come
icsunday2 it's difficult to install for a newbie like me and some people have had problems with this rom.
Why TheMyth is bad?
sorry for my english
it wasn't too fast and was kinda buggy and low quality imo, ICSunday is cool, but can't really log onto my wi-fi yet, working on it now
EDIT: worked with second try, really impressed with ICS2 atm
Okay mate
Ok guys thing is installing icsunday is not tough but u didn't understand what to do.mmmmm use cwm 5 for icsunday and icsunday2 is best rom ever.
sent from my phone
plzzzz hit thanks if I helped you in any means .......
i did use the 5, cause the Myth rom upgrades it for you
Btw could you check out my other thread that i just started.... im kind of a retard...
I'm still waiting for my SI number to come up, and I'm starting to get a little impatient. I'm considering going ahead and using flashtool, but if I go to that much trouble, why not just go ahead and root?
Here is the reason for my question: I rooted my x10mp to upgrade to 2.2 since there weren't going to be any more official updates. That gave me some capabilities (like apps2sd) that weren't available on 2.1.
So, what can I gain by rooting my 2011 xmp?
dave
bigdfmartin said:
I'm still waiting for my SI number to come up, and I'm starting to get a little impatient. I'm considering going ahead and using flashtool, but if I go to that much trouble, why not just go ahead and root?
Here is the reason for my question: I rooted my x10mp to upgrade to 2.2 since there weren't going to be any more official updates. That gave me some capabilities (like apps2sd) that weren't available on 2.1.
So, what can I gain by rooting my xmp?
dave
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are your phone x10 mini pro or xperia mini pro?
xmp is the one that getting ics not x10mp :silly:
btw to answer your root question. nothing really.
i only root just to use v6supercharger, market enabler to install some apps that cant be installed "this item cannot be installed in your country" (because i live outside US), titanium backup, and link2sd for moving apps/data/cache to sd. thats about it.
My old phone is the x10 minipro. My current phone is the 2011 minipro. Edited my first post for clarity, thanks.
dave
probably not
of course, this depends what you want to do with your phone... imho, if you have not decided to root your device for other reasons then it is not worth to root it for getting ICS: If you use stock ROM + a small amount of other apps and feel happy about it you probably don"t need root. ICS would give you a little icing on that gingerbread
IMO, definitely YES!
Definitely, it's worth!
Just root, no other mods, to just install some useful apps and achieve control over which you bought: your connections (droidwall...), your CPU and battery (cputuner...), backup (titanium...), adblocking (adaway...), autostart (autorun manager...), or just VIEW how is your system made (root explorer...).
I played with all of that stuff on my x10mp, but I don't really play with this phone as much. I forgot about adblock, though. That's a good enough reason to root for me. Thanks!
dave
Well
Well
You will be able to do a lot of things
u can remove unwanted system apps (i use AntTek app manager)
u can modify system files
u can use apps that needs root (like root browser ,market enablers ,etc)
if you find yourself in need to do any of the above
then root
otherwise don't
it doesn't make a lot of difference
specially if you are on ICS
Got my XMP rooted and flashed to ICS. Took me a couple of hours to do it, but part of that time was spent figuring out my antivirus software on the computer. Ran a repair with PCC and lost root, so I had to do it over again, which took me about 45 minutes. Thought I'd try to run a repair on SUS, but I was afraid I'd wipe out root again, so I skipped that step.
Got some root-only apps, reinstalled most of my old apps, did some housecleaning. Everything looks good and it seems to run just fine. Now I just need to do the same for my girlfriend's XMP.
Just a couple of things: I lost my calendar info with the upgrade, though I tried to back up everything. Also, I'm wondering about skipping the repair with SUS or PCC.
dave
If you like to tinker with stuff then go for it.