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has anyone tried it?
Might be good but how about the keyboard? the description doesn't explain how you might access it?
I think it can not use with tytn
I ordered something similar off of eBay for my 8525... http://search.stores.ebay.com/The-B...sopZ1QQfsubZ17QQftsZ2QQsaselZ50744590QQsofpZ0
For $5 you don't expect great quality, but it was made well enough, snaps into place, and protects the 8525 nicely. I bought the optional belt clip, but probably won't use it much, I fear it won't hold up.
Because they are 2 pieces, and makes it very easy to access the keyboard.
things is, i'm not sure it will fit the tytn, given that the button order on the tytn is wider than the 8525. i'm afraid i wont have access to the dial/end buttons...
Yes
You should read the 'Case Recommendation' thread, this is where this question belongs.
This is a knock off of the merit-line case. Has free shipping same case, but has a 'nub' for a belt holster that isnt very good. I left a lengthy review of my expirience with the case. Its cheap and I wouldnt bother getting it to protect your $500 or so phone! Others had simular expiriences as mine. This case is good if your a 'pocket' type of guy and only put ur fone in ur pocket. For belt and outside holsters. DONT GET IT.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=273546&page=26
Id recommend b4 you buy anything off ebay to check your device and capability of things. Alot of these cases made in Asia and what not alot of the times NEVER fit your device. Id spend the extra money and get a legit case from:
http://www.boxwave.com/products/activecase/active-case-cingular-8525_2110.htm
or meritline..
http://www.meritline.com/trans-smoke-cover-for-htc-8525.html
To sum up, the cases: The tytn ones and the cingular 8525's have a 1mm difference and they wont fit properly even with tweaking. So pay close attention before you buy.
all of those plastic like cases are the same... also dont be fooled into the "carbon fiber" or "rubber hard case" unless you see a good picture or manufacture all they are are the plastic shells with different colors or texture...
the carbon fiber for example is nothing but painted on... you can see the paint marks inside... the rubber one is the same just with a rubber spray or so... i think this one is more useful... the good news is all the back case for these cases are the same... dont by into hte hype of the boxwave or other **** that charge you 30 bucks for... they are the same the only difference they might have there name stamped its still plastic that snaps in you can see the belt clip on the boxwave and the whole to be exactly the same as all those on ebay for 5 bucks.
I would not trust none of those case on the belt... i only wanted them because of the ability to use the keyboard the screen is not protected but the reste is good for pocket or other storage
I am hoping there are some people here who know about what brands/sites are good ones or trustworthy.
Ok, picking up my Evo 3D on Friday..... and surprise surprise, the phone isn't even out yet, yet there are a million different places with brands nobody has ever heard of with supposed cases for this phone, some of them even having dimensions smaller than the phone itself despite being listed as for the 3D.... (Yes I know, no need to tell me many manufacturers will take existing stock and claim it works for the new device just to sell it).
So the thing is, I have no idea what cases might be designed specifically for the HTC Evo 3D, or even any respectable sites to buy such cases from.
But I am also sorta over-complicating the issue by not being sure if I should first over a back cover for the phone or not. See, I am not a fan of the way the camerapod sticks out, I was wondering if there were any GOOD cases that add enough bulk to essentially make the cameras level with the rest of the phone, even if this will add thickness.
Something like this, but I don't know if this really is an official HTC product or not, and if there aren't better ones (or if that is a trustworthy site):
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=28040
And this brings me to my main concern. The main case I want to get is a belt-clip holster, not just a simple little clip that attaches the phone to your belt but basically a whole pouch to hold it, something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Horizontal-Leather-Magnetic-Closing/dp/B0051IGCAI
But on top of the problem I already mentioned of there being a million cases just simply calling themselves a HTC Evo 3D case... there is also the issue of how it will fit. Normally, I don't care if a case is a little too big for a phone since it will hold it anyway, but all of my previous phones didn't have sensitive parts like the camera sticking out so much before, if I were to get a case, id want one designed to hold the pushed-out camera in place too.... but that would only work if I decide not to get a case that ads bulk for the purpose of keeping the cameras flush with the back of the phone.... and if I do decide to go with a back-cover to add bulk, will those pouch-cases then even still hold the phone or will it then be too thick?
Sigh... I'm over-complicating things aren't I? So anyway, any ideas? Its a shame those back-covers that increase the size of the phone can't make use of that size, such as storing a slightly higher capacity battery or something.
That first one's badass. I wonder how much coverage you get on the front. I ordered two slide together ones (like the innocase surface, but a clone), and one super-silicone one. I like buying a bunch of different colored cases to shake things up every now and then.
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That first one's badass. I wonder how much coverage you get on the front. I ordered two slide together ones (like the innocase surface, but a clone), and one super-silicone one. I like buying a bunch of different colored cases to shake things up every now and then.
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post some links so we can see what they look like plz i still need case
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0053NWDO0
This is the silicone one. Cheap and highly rated for other phones.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0052TTMXA
This is the snap together (innocase surface-esque) one. Might be sold out now.
where is the case with the kickstand?
I went yesterday to a sprint store and got me a otterbox commuter case. I love it. They had about 4 different kinds but none with a kickstand. They also had the car dock as well.
TPU case for me. Ordered a few weeks ago from ebay, $4 shipped.
picked up a chase from BB this morning belt clip
case 20
screen protector was free
Are there images of any of these cases?
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Are there images of any of these cases?
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case i have
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...d=1218353393109&viewtype=largeFrontView&h=387
but with out the kickstand
Picked up a Body Glove hard case when I picked my 3vo up this morning. Doesnt add too much bulk
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I got the case that Best Buy sells with a kick stand. It's 2-piece, kickstand, soft-touch, protects well. Very streamline. It costs too much ($40.00) but I had some reward points and ended up getting it for free. Love it!
Hmph, just terrific. To complicate matters, that hardshell case I posted isn't even available until July 13 apparently.... and nobody is showing that it looks like from the front...
I guess I should just at the minimum get a belt-clip pouch for now. Does anyone know of any good horizontal ones that were specifically designed for the Evo 3D instead of just general cases that roughly fit a phone of that shape?
with complete frsutration in no keyboard case looking to ever be made for my purchase of the top tablet at the time the Galaxy Pro i have ended my search and somewhat happy.
my first purchase after exhausting months of hoping and searching led me purchase the M-Edge Stealth which upon setting up was the most impressive 3rd party universal i had ever seen. i see no reason to go into all the details that had me loving this case because very quickly i discovered it had 1 flaw that completely killed it. one of the greatest features was t he magnet safe strap and the base was magnet as well and sadly this caused the Pro to go to sleep every time i would touch it. if you push it up in the holsters it was fine but touching it or moving it and it would slide down just a hair and that hair caused the magnets to put it to sleep. i spent some time since it was such a great case trying to make it work but with much sadness i had to return it.
my next purchase and what i am staying with is the Kensington Keyfolio Pro 2 and at this pricxe i can live with the few things i would change.
quick review:
- keyboard types nice and almost all the keys for Home , Settings, Volume, Web, Music, work and go to the app i desired. it also seems to autoconnect after casing it up and opening it back up again so functionaly it is very nice
- case sadly is not a nice leather feel like the M-Edge and although not bad it feels kinda like it might carck eventually like cheap fake leather can do but only time will tell
- it is in no way as thin as the M-Edge and much bulkier than he 11" laptop i would carry but not ridiculous to me
- it has large and small corners with velcro to allow to place it wherever on the back plate that holds it which is different put nice and allows some positioning to what you like. i will say though that i was going with the small angles anyway but the large were on it and one ripped as i tried to take it off and so i know now how to handle them.
- the Logitech or Zagg of my dreams would not have allowed me to take the keyboard out and place it where i like and i see the value in this now as well
- there is no camera hole on the back put it does state that you can cut it out and they thought of this but since i dont use the back camera for anything i dont mind
anyway hope this helps out another 10.1 like me that has been frustrated with no top of the line model available.
fletch33 said:
with complete frsutration in no keyboard case looking to ever be made for my purchase of the top tablet at the time the Galaxy Pro i have ended my search and somewhat happy.
my first purchase after exhausting months of hoping and searching led me purchase the M-Edge Stealth which upon setting up was the most impressive 3rd party universal i had ever seen. i see no reason to go into all the details that had me loving this case because very quickly i discovered it had 1 flaw that completely killed it. one of the greatest features was t he magnet safe strap and the base was magnet as well and sadly this caused the Pro to go to sleep every time i would touch it. if you push it up in the holsters it was fine but touching it or moving it and it would slide down just a hair and that hair caused the magnets to put it to sleep. i spent some time since it was such a great case trying to make it work but with much sadness i had to return it.
my next purchase and what i am staying with is the Kensington Keyfolio Pro 2 and at this pricxe i can live with the few things i would change.
quick review:
- keyboard types nice and almost all the keys for Home , Settings, Volume, Web, Music, work and go to the app i desired. it also seems to autoconnect after casing it up and opening it back up again so functionaly it is very nice
- case sadly is not a nice leather feel like the M-Edge and although not bad it feels kinda like it might carck eventually like cheap fake leather can do but only time will tell
- it is in no way as thin as the M-Edge and much bulkier than he 11" laptop i would carry but not ridiculous to me
- it has large and small corners with velcro to allow to place it wherever on the back plate that holds it which is different put nice and allows some positioning to what you like. i will say though that i was going with the small angles anyway but the large were on it and one ripped as i tried to take it off and so i know now how to handle them.
- the Logitech or Zagg of my dreams would not have allowed me to take the keyboard out and place it where i like and i see the value in this now as well
- there is no camera hole on the back put it does state that you can cut it out and they thought of this but since i dont use the back camera for anything i dont mind
anyway hope this helps out another 10.1 like me that has been frustrated with no top of the line model available.
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Moko has a keyboard case on Amazon. I bought their book cover case and it is very nice.
Cheers,
Rich
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Moko has a keyboard case on Amazon. I bought their book cover case and it is very nice.
Cheers,
Rich
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yeah i looked at one of those but what i dont like about it:
- the kickstand - this limits position placement where the Kensington allows from straight up with keyboard in case to almost flat and stays in any position between them
- the full edge holster - i like to see the tablet with minimum corners or preferably which only comes with ones made specifically for the tablet that it snaps into place with almost no edge
- the keyboard is large with the big palm area and it does not have all the Android specific keys to launch everything which allows me to rarely touch my screen
i am not saying it isnt nice but it wasnt what i was looking for and i doubt there is an option out there i didnt research. thanks for the info though and maybe its something others might like
Samsung has neglected the Tab Pro 10.1
Its these disappointing products that brought me to just buy a stand alone keyboard option. After almost a year of traveling around the country with my Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1, throwing it in my backpack between classes, and carrying it around to camping trips and etc. I've decided that its a little too late to purchase a case or keyboard folio at this point.
Samsung really did their customers wrong by not producing a suitable keyboard/case for the galaxy tab pro 10.1. At the very list they could have worked with 3rd parties to produce these options.
Got an N6 on the way, looking for a flip case that can easily be removed. I'd like to be able to clip the phone into the case when I'm out and about, but remove it when I'm at home or at the office. Anyone have a case like this? I've done some looking but it seems like most of them are TPU cases attached to the flip cover. For my other phone I found one that clipped around the edges in only a couple of spots. I'm hoping to find something similar or at least one that can stand up to the abuse of many in/out cycles.
Might give this one a shot. It's a bit bigger than some other cases but it feels pretty nice. I will warn you though, while not a huge issue, the edges on the flip cover started to look a little frayed after a few weeks. Probably just wear and tear though.
http://www.case-mate.com/collection...cases/products/black-nexus-6-stand-folio-case
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Might give this one a shot. It's a bit bigger than some other cases but it feels pretty nice. I will warn you though, while not a huge issue, the edges on the flip cover started to look a little frayed after a few weeks. Probably just wear and tear though.
http://www.case-mate.com/collection...cases/products/black-nexus-6-stand-folio-case
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Do you experience any of the button issues that the amazon reviewers had?
http://www.amazon.com/Case-Mate-Google-Nexus-Stand-Folio/dp/B00PIOTZ04
Not particularly, no. I will say they are not the best though. Theres a little bit of play to them. If you can get it cheaper than the 30-some odd dollars they charge, I'd go for it. Personally I usually carry my nexus 6 w/o a case just due to how nice it feels, although if you find a thinner, rubberized flip case let me know.
All in all, I'd give the casemate a shot. Does the job just fine.
I know you might have your reasons for wanting a flip case, but because I wanted to do the same as you (protection when out and about but naked when at home) I went with a really nice larger pouch case instead.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015HD74YO/ref=ya_aw_oh_bia_dp?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Thanks for the help guys. I considered the case-mate, especially since it was originally sold on Google play so it's close to "official"/oem but the multitude of bad reviews scared me off. I like the pouch idea too but I like to have some protection when I'm using the phone on the go since that's the most likely time I'd drop it. I only remove the case when I'm home or at the office since I'll be at the table/couch/desk there's less risk of dropping it and I prefer using the phone naked as much as possible.
I ended up finding one of these in eBay for 25 and it seems to work well, although it isn't as easy to remove as the flip case for my last phone. I haven't used the card slots yet as I'm a little concerned they could scratch the screen and I don't want to use a screen protector.
http://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Motor..._1_2?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1448630683&sr=1-2
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Thanks for the help guys. I considered the case-mate, especially since it was originally sold on Google play so it's close to "official"/oem but the multitude of bad reviews scared me off. I like the pouch idea too but I like to have some protection when I'm using the phone on the go since that's the most likely time I'd drop it. I only remove the case when I'm home or at the office since I'll be at the table/couch/desk there's less risk of dropping it and I prefer using the phone naked as much as possible.
I ended up finding one of these in eBay for 25 and it seems to work well, although it isn't as easy to remove as the flip case for my last phone. I haven't used the card slots yet as I'm a little concerned they could scratch the screen and I don't want to use a screen protector.
http://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Motor..._1_2?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1448630683&sr=1-2
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I've been using this inexpensive but very form-fitting case since I bought the n6. Easy to slip it out of the case, and I've used nillkin book-type cases for multiple phones. They usually last the life the phone (for me, that's about 2 years)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00RJ..._SL500_SR100,100_&refRID=0G25GYGXGH6EY90F8YAQ
bchaney16 said:
Thanks for the help guys. I considered the case-mate, especially since it was originally sold on Google play so it's close to "official"/oem but the multitude of bad reviews scared me off. I like the pouch idea too but I like to have some protection when I'm using the phone on the go since that's the most likely time I'd drop it. I only remove the case when I'm home or at the office since I'll be at the table/couch/desk there's less risk of dropping it and I prefer using the phone naked as much as possible.
I ended up finding one of these in eBay for 25 and it seems to work well, although it isn't as easy to remove as the flip case for my last phone. I haven't used the card slots yet as I'm a little concerned they could scratch the screen and I don't want to use a screen protector.
http://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Motor..._1_2?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1448630683&sr=1-2
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This is the one I use, and definitely have enjoyed it. I haven't had any problem with cards scratching the screen yet.
If you're still looking for a wallet themed case, you can try out this one by VENA, I have had it for 2 months and it's been great.
http://www.amazon.com/Google-Nexus-...8&qid=1449112949&sr=1-4&keywords=vena+nexus+6
I like my phones naked or as close as it comes (ultra thin transparent tpu case), but I also like to have something to put it in when out and about. My Nexus 5 was kept in a Mofi Kangaroo pouch case which was great. Unfortunately, they seemed to have stopped making them and only ever made them just about big enough for the N5. There are similar alternatives but none seem as good as the Mofi.
So, finding a removable pouch type case big enough for this beast is a challenge! I ordered a hand made fabric one from etsy which is well made, but at the size of the device, looks more like a small sleeping bag than the home of a sleek Nexus device .
So I took a bit of a gamble and ordered something not designed for the Nexus 6. Its primary advertising is for the Iphone 6+, but also states is suitable for Note 4. Looking at both devices dimensions, I concluded it was almost big enough. The Nexus being little longer, thicker and wider than both devices, but not much.
It seems to have paid off. Its a very nice luxurious pouch wallet case in genuine brown leather from what I gather is a brand owned by tuffluv. You can't tell from the site, but the phone pouch part on the side, top and bottom is elasticated so happily accommodates the Nexus's superior girth!
I can even squeeze it in with tpu case - just, but its a bit tough to pull out. Might have to seek an ultra thin tpu case - any recommendations? Without the TPU, its next to perfect! Fully loaded with cards in the card slots makes it slightly tighter to close fully, but still very acceptable in my book.
Currently its in the sale on Tuffluv site where its claimed to be a £50 case (and going by the other similar cases going for in excess of £50, I believe them!). With the sale price and discount it came to £17.99 delivered.
Just thought I'd share in case anyone else was looking for something similar but hadn't found anything labelled as suitable for the Nexus 6.
Can't paste a link but go to tuff-luv dot coms site and search for "Alston Craig Vintage Genuine Leather Wallet Case Cover Pouch for Apple iPhone 6 Plus / 6s Plus / Samsung Galaxy Note 4 - Brown"
Alston Craig have their own site, but there is a discount code for a couple of quid off on tuff-luv
Hope this helps someone.
Oh, ps, there is a small slip of paper in the packaging that states you should have a screen protector fitted to protect the screen before use. Its material lined; not the soft microfibre type, but not something I would be concerned about.
pps. Only issue I've found is the elastic straps are centred, so covers headphone and usb port. Shame, not a deal breaker for me.
Put in my pre order but that's a lot of glass with the 2 screens and folded back is my plan if there is no peek feature for notifications...
Hearing its shipping with a bumper in white but has any seen any ideas on cases.
That's an expensive phone and 100% different form size to get used to...seeing dropping it as easy till you get use to it.
I have been thinking about the same thing, I think it kind of depends on how you want to carry your Duo. I think there will be some challenges because many common case options will either mess with the aesthetics of the Duo or Cause problems with the folding action of the device.
Some options may be:
-There are Skins available that will protect it from case scratching.
-There are glass protectors that can be applied to the screens. (Possibly the external panels but I am not certain on that one)
-There is a type of belt clip that reminds me of the old Blackberry holsters (By Kensington)
-There are generic belt holsters that will likely work.
-There are also belt pouches that could be used to carry the Duo with some accessories (that will likely be a bit much for most people tho)
Cheers,
BR
It's definitely going to be difficult to completely protect. I'm curious as to how well the bumper adhesive will hold up to day after day of pulling it out and putting it back in pockets. It looks like the lip of the bumper would be prone to catching or grabbing pocket seams or other rough materials.
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It's definitely going to be difficult to completely protect. I'm curious as to how well the bumper adhesive will hold up to day after day of pulling it out and putting it back in pockets. It looks like the lip of the bumper would be prone to catching or grabbing pocket seams or other rough materials.
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Same here, I have been considering case options, I don't want it too snug so the case does not stress the bumpers and cause them to fall off. I like to have something that protects, allows easy carry with good access. I don't want something too big that will be cumbersome. A fine line between too little and too much
Cheers,
BR
Belt Holster Case for Microsoft Surface Duo https://store.kensington.com/products/belt-holster-for-microsoft-surface-duo
Might get this myself
Looks like Dbrand for now...but the youtubes of people trying the demo models at Best Buy and Att are not looking good. Each one has super sketchy software that is not working!
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Looks like Dbrand for now...but the youtubes of people trying the demo models at Best Buy and Att are not looking good. Each one has super sketchy software that is not working!
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I am pretty sure that is retail demo mode. Because i went to best buy and they let me use it before they put it in demo mode and it was smooth as butter. tested it after demo mode and it was horrible.
Went to an At&t store today and got to spend about a hour with it...the phone was really nice, crazy thin but its just super awkward to text and type.
The the keyboard is wide enough that you have to use 2 hands and just couldn't get comfortable.
I would download swiftkey because lots of mistakes typing with the standard keyboard.
Camara was average quality and even running two apps, youtube and email it just was hard to type and hold the phone in book mode and feel comfortable.
I did put the bumper and zero protection. I see a lot of people dropping this phone.
I think for the cost I'm going to wait it out and see what the reviewers and influencers say...Coming from a 5g phone its going to be hard to take a step backwards.
Interested to see what you all think once you get it in hand.
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Went to an At&t store today and got to spend about a hour with it...the phone was really nice, crazy thin but its just super awkward to text and type.
The the keyboard is wide enough that you have to use 2 hands and just couldn't get comfortable.
I would download swiftkey because lots of mistakes typing with the standard keyboard.
Camara was average quality and even running two apps, youtube and email it just was hard to type and hold the phone in book mode and feel comfortable.
I did but on the bumper and zero protection. I see a lot of people dropping this phone.
I think for the cost I'm going to wait it out and see what the reviewers and influencers say...Coming from a 5g phone its going to be hard to take a step backwards.
Interested to see what you all think once you get it in hand.
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its funny. Microsoft using Swiftkey as a default keyboard
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its funny. Microsoft using Swiftkey as a default keyboard
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Didnt look swiftkey for the stock keyboard and didnt see any adjustment in the keyboard size also and or the number row?
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Didnt look swiftkey for the stock keyboard and didnt see any adjustment in the keyboard size also and or the number row?
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It is Swiftkey, (shows in the specs) that said, If I recall, there is some customization that makes it act certain ways in certain situations.
Cheers,
BR
The bumpers are lint magnets. Not sure how long I will be keeping them on
I don't think they are going to offer any protection anyway...
It will be interesting to see in a few weeks the post of people dropping these and the outcome!
This does not look to offer total protection, bit I dig the folio style and functionality.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/otterb...oft-surface-duo-black/6422085.p?skuId=6422085
https://www.otterbox.com/en-us/surf...aaa—&cjevent=c0134510f5d311ea80ba02690a240612
2 versions here
Try some of the Nintendo DS Carry cases that are still around. It has virtually the same form factor and I can confirm the Duo fits snugly inside of them.
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This does not look to offer total protection, bit I dig the folio style and functionality.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/otterb...oft-surface-duo-black/6422085.p?skuId=6422085
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I got this case for two reasons: 1 ) I drop everything. Repeatedly. 2) I'm not using my Duo as a phone. In fact I turned the ringer off so spam calls don't bother me.
It's a high quality case as you'd expect from Otterbox, but it does work by sticking the Duo to it with adhesive, so you can't remove it. With the case on, you cannot fold the Duo completely around into "phone mode" so if you do plan to use it as a phone, do NOT get this case. The other annoying bit, when I do fold it around most of the way, the duo turns off the right side screen instead of the left that's now buried in the case, so you either have to do the "double tap" to swap screens, or just don't do that.
Also, the pen slot is REALLY tight on this case. Tight enough I put my 2nd gen surface pen in it and it pulled the pen apart trying to get it back out. I bought the slim pen (hate it) and it works much better there because there's not a back cap to pull off. I think over time it'll slide out easier as the elastic stretches.
It reminds me of when I did sales back in the early 90's and carried a dayplanner everywhere. That's essentially what your Duo becomes with this case - a digital dayplanner.
It's hard to play games on it due to the folding issue and how much weight the case adds to the device. All in all, I'm very pleased with the case, but I think a lot of people won't be due to those limitations.