ok Dink artwork has change the face of so many HD2 homepage, but Co0kie is the one that has made HD2 better whether you have DINK or not
so why the favouritism
because you don't have to start a war here!
both of this mods are use full and great!
thank you Co0kie Monster and thank you Dinik!
because cookies are crunchy not sticky. hehe cookie cookie!
probably shoud huh? since he has a team working around the clock pushing out new releases. im sure an admin can throw a sticky up there if it makes you feel any better
Other question: why are "Touch Tools" sticky and BSB not? Why the heck is this "Marketplace"-crap that was first offering warez sticky?
Useless discussion, but DINIK deserves it, others as well btw...
use both of them, both of them are good. Good thing having two HD2s
because cookie does not need to be sticky to always stay in the first page and for dinik...there are so many threads with his works that a sticky with everything is useful for everybody in my opinion
it is not about DINIK or anyone else
so the thread starter could say insted of what he said :
why Co0kie has not yet get a stiky .
Oh god not another thread about dink dinky or whatever his name is
I asked myself that very same question. When people asked for Franwella's CHT clock list thread to be stickied, the mods refused. But for Dinik, anything is possible.
Could it be because Cookie's thread is not in this forum, it's in the Windows Mobile forum? Dink's is in this (HD2) forum.
Because Dinik is a close friend of one of the MOD and Cookie is not
this is not dinik's fault but moderators that really like to see the discussions continue here
does it really matter, just subscribe to the threads you like, so much easier
All existing threads in the Themes and Apps forum have been unstuck and there is now a single reference thread for all stickie worthy posts.
This is to clean up the top of the thread and categorise threads to make things alot easier to find.
[REF] ALL STICKIES | USEFUL INFO | POSTING RULES - Read before posting
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Hello fellow members.
As a mod to this Forum, i have opened this thread to address issues faced by the users related to this sub-forum. No problems related to the device will be entertained in this thread.
all users are requested to put forward their issues in this thread and i shall look into it and do the best to put away with ne such issues.
cheers.
Currently I am going through each and every post of the android development sub-sub-forum..
i think i have to delete many posts and clean up a lot of the threads.
i'll do that as soon as i m over with going through the forum..
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Currently I am going through each and every post of the android development sub-sub-forum..
i think i have to delete many posts and clean up a lot of the threads.
i'll do that as soon as i m over with going through the forum..
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Hi cvchetan,
to my opinion this is a not needed Sisyphean task.
You'd have to clean thousands of useless posts and flame wars.
The main Problem is, that there are lots of users that start threads again and again without using the forums search.
And: Some People cross post in wrong threads so that the threads go off topic very soon.
Also flaming and swearing against some people is a main problem.
(That's why most X10-Root-Devs gone private).
I'd say: from now, keeping the eyes open and moderate here and there, as you began recently, would be enough to keep this Kindergarten under control...
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Hi cvchetan,
to my opinion this is a not needed Sisyphean task.
You'd have to clean thousands of useless posts and flame wars.
The main Problem is, that there are lots of users that start threads again and again without using the forums search.
And: Some People cross post in wrong threads so that the threads go off topic very soon.
Also flaming and swearing against some people is a main problem.
(That's why most X10-Root-Devs gone private).
I'd say: from now, keeping the eyes open and moderate here and there, as you began recently, would be enough to keep this Kindergarten under control...
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wel that is indeed a good idea...
but then we need to remove unwanted posts and threads so tht the threads become useful to any new members or visitors as they do not have to read through all unwanted data..
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wel that is indeed a good idea...
but then we need to remove unwanted posts and threads so tht the threads become useful to any new members or visitors as they do not have to read through all unwanted data..
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What about just making the most useful one sticky, clean the waste out of them and close them?
So this ones would be the reference.
Within first post could a link to a discussion thread.
This behavior works very well over at gsmfreeboard.com .
My Idea: put all good guides into an own sub category "Guides".
These Guides should be closed. If there are any increments, these Posts / Threads could be opened for a short period of time.
They can be edited by the thread starter / poster anyways.
Then there should be a second sub category "Discussion on Guides", where common users can ask everything, regarding the posts.
I have a suggestion for a new sub-forum. Something along the lines of "X10 Café" where the discussions could be informal for more general ramblings about the X10. I hesitate to call it off-topic since the topic would be the X10. Think of it like a free-for-all with general decency rules, no flaming, no personal attacks but an otherwise open place where we can air grievances or just toss around ideas.
That way general can be more about news, events and so on while the speculation and what have you goes on in the Café. It would make keeping up with the forum a lot easier since it should be a place that you don't really "have" to read.
well i like both the ideas..
lemme consult with my fellow mods for futher actions..
Maybe you can stick a link to the Wiki X10 Page and edit this Wiki page to add links to useful posts in the forum ?
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SonyEricssonXperiaX10
imo this forums needs some temp/permanent banning, plain and simple. I read threads here every day since I have the x10, and I have to agree with many people here, some users just don't understand patience, don't understand how to use the search options and then they have to cry out loud for something they want now but they cannot provide any help so they keep posting useless replies in every 'used to be' useful threads.
The 'Café' kind of forum is a nice idea too, to me it sounds a lot like the general discussion forum but still, the mods should do anything to keep the good discussions going.
Going back to the dark lurking around, WAITING for the good stuff without acting like a 12yo, and I'll give some money for the hard work, whatever i can give, until then keep up the good work guys
I started reading on XDA since 2 weeks when I bought my first droid phone (the X10 obviously ). This is my first post though because for every question I had i was able to find the answer in the forums.
The real PITA was when I started reading the rooting and custom rom dev threads where seriously 80% of the posters are either off topic, flaming or simply asking questions that already have been asked AND answered earlier.
As previous poster said I wouldn't mind that mods would apply temp bans to flamers and off topic poster or even perm bans when people continue to do so.
I did read in another x10 subforum that there was a X10 mod appointed (dunno if there are more than one), but unfortunately haven't seen much of that person specifically on those rooting and rom dev threads where they would have been most wanted.
It is nice to see that you are now taking the time to get something constructive going on. Regarding current topics it probably will be too much effort cleaning those up so it might be better to simply close those topics, start new ones and apply some stricter modding on those (including the temp/perm bans).
I sure would love to see the x10 devs coming back to these forums to discuss there progress on the X10 rooting for example, but they won't unless something is really done against these unnecesarry flaming/off topic/unnecesarry questions posts.
Regards,
Stephan
PS as soon as I have something in my paypal account again I will donate something towards this forum for the good work you guys are doing
we are too many, so dont blame anybody... things are like they're
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imo this forums needs some temp/permanent banning, plain and simple. I read threads here every day since I have the x10, and I have to agree with many people here, some users just don't understand patience, don't understand how to use the search options and then they have to cry out loud for something they want now but they cannot provide any help so they keep posting useless replies in every 'used to be' useful threads.
The 'Café' kind of forum is a nice idea too, to me it sounds a lot like the general discussion forum but still, the mods should do anything to keep the good discussions going.
Going back to the dark lurking around, WAITING for the good stuff without acting like a 12yo, and I'll give some money for the hard work, whatever i can give, until then keep up the good work guys
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+1 here also i feel that you are talking about me
guys.. what i see here is that you people are posting suggestions rather than problems.
regarding feelings abt hoss_n2, this is what i analysed.
Hoss_n2 seems to be clean at heart and intentions but the wording he uses are kinda direct and might make sumone feel he is demanding. but guys as long as intentions are not wrong no need to attack him..
more over by pointing out that hoss_n2 is doing this, this and bla bla you people too are flaming and remember these forum rules apply to you aswell..
so please keep your calm and help people rather than critisize them.
on the rooting forum i will be deleting all the posts not related to rooting..
cheers..
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guys.. what i see here is that you people are posting suggestions rather than problems.
regarding feelings abt hoss_n2, this is what i analysed.
Hoss_n2 seems to be clean at heart and intentions but the wording he uses are kinda direct and might make sumone feel he is demanding. but guys as long as intentions are not wrong no need to attack him..
more over by pointing out that hoss_n2 is doing this, this and bla bla you people too are flaming and remember these forum rules apply to you aswell..
so please keep your calm and help people rather than critisize them.
on the rooting forum i will be deleting all the posts not related to rooting..
cheers..
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thanks allot you are the only one here that understands me right . may be i cannot say what i really mean with writing as english is not my main language , but they don't give me any chance . sorry for going out of topic but i wanted to illustrate my point . good luck cleaning
I'm not pointing at anyone in particular as I only read threads and rarely look at who posted. My point wasn't to accuse anyone. But warning to off topics and complainers should be sent, failing to change their behavior should lead to more action.
Yes these are more suggestions than issues we have, but I think most of the people know what are the issues. The main one being 'talking in a thread about anything'. Most of the useful threads have a self-explanatory title, reading the original post usually tells a user where he wants to go with the thread he created.
I know some might 'sound' harsh or rude but personally I don't really mind that as long as it does not become a flaming war/troll feeding discussion. But keeping a discussion on the right direction is probably the most important thing in such a huge forum. Then the search tool comes handy when the discussion is going one way.
Warning/temp/perm banning. Sending public message to people saying 'please stop' is not going to work. A temp ban with a nice message included stating what he did wrong should be effective in most cases. Failing to comply after 'x' warnings/temp ban, bye bye we do not need you (They can still read threads, they'll just stop posting what devs don't need).
I'm not pissed or angry at anyone, I'm just one of those people who thinks that moderation is important. The easier/cleaner it is for everyone, the faster we'll get the good news/progress. This site is one big community, let's make it look good/the best there is.
well.. right now m cleaning up threads and rest assured that all off topic posts, flames wars will be stopped from now on..
lets get ourselves together and make this forum productive..
cheers
Maybe issue warning on some fanatic on this forum, some people are extremely rude for no reason, acting like their keyboard and mouse give them God like power.
Realize lots of people have limited knowledge and are trying to get some information. When you see the reaction of some user…bashing on them saying search first idiot there a post about it .Maybe you should realize some of them just don’t know what they have to search. Why not just point them in the proper direction and help them , it would make this forum way more attractive.
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Maybe issue warning on some fanatic on this forum, some people are extremely rude for no reason, acting like their keyboard and mouse give them God like power.
Realize lots of people have limited knowledge and are trying to get some information. When you see the reaction of some user…bashing on them saying search first idiot there a post about it .Maybe you should realize some of them just don’t know what they have to search. Why not just point them in the proper direction and help them , it would make this forum way more attractive.
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you are right i see this usless replies not only here but on all forums ,why don't he just tell the answer ,new members don't think about search they are still new when i was juinor member i faced allot of these replies . if any body don't want to help just don't reply
Pointing the right direction if you can yes, not answering like an a**hole to a newcomer yes. But there is nothing wrong about telling them politely to search, we might know there is a thread on a subject, but pointing them to the right direction is also searching for them in some/most cases. All forums work pretty much the same, joining one means learning how to use it/navigate it.
Search is the biggest tool there is on the internet. This is how you find what you want, this is how you find answers. Internet is full of it. The faster you start, the more stuff you'll get out of it.
BTW: Answering like a a**hole to a newcomer is also worthy of warnings and ban. It's part of the issue too.
I'm all about common sense.
You can generally class users in 3 categories. The devs, the supporters, and the noobs. The devs are resourceful enough to not care, because they'll always find a way to get things done. The supporters have kinda a clue about what's going on, and are always trying to enforce rules to keep the noobs in order. The noobs almost always assume a hierarchy of power, try to suck up, seek attention, and post ridiculous amounts of crap to get out of trouble/sound smart/kiss ass.
So understanding this dynamics, devs really don't care about flaming and junk, they just want to get product out. Supporters need to learn to refrain, not feed the troll and stop thinking they are better than noobs. Noobs usually just chat amongst themselves if left alone, and are mostly harmless.
The only thing that need to happen here is a set of clear guidelines for noobs to read about when to post, where to post, and when not to post. Also, clean up the place from its state now so people don't get the idea that it's okay to post crap. Maybe a reminder (after submission of a post) for users with low post count to remind them useless junk are indeed useless and bin-worthy.
Thank you Mskip for adding this new sub forum for the HD2, and for taking the time to move and sort out all the Q/A posts from the Themes and apps thread.
It will be OH SO NICE to see a clean themes forum.
Cheers
Wolfee
OMG! I posted this in the themes and apps forum fist by mistake.
erm confused why couldn't these just be moved to the general section seen as its full of crap anyway ?
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erm confused why couldn't these just be moved to the general section seen as its full of crap anyway ?
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I agree! Generally I don't fancy the Q&A sub forums. I think that a question should be posted in the same thread as the related subjects, or in a new thread in one of the sub forums that encompasses the subject.
If I have a question regarding a specific ROM, should i post it in Q&A or in the ROM thread?
If I have a question regarding, say a car holder, should the question go in the Q&A or the accessories sub forum?
What distinguishes General from Q&A?
I don't really see a purpose to this subforum as the questions asked pretty much can be categorized under the general subforum...
I was having a look through just now and i figured out what this board is for but it may require it be renamed. The board seems to be filled with questions already asked atleast 10 times (if not 100) before. So we could rename this board the "I can't be bothered to google anything unless it's porn. Please, please hurt and embarrass me" board and then we would have a place for the senior members to vent their frustrations at the people that cause them.
The only rule would be the OP's have no right of reply unless they really can show respect, willingness and gratitude. In fact i think all new members should be locked into only being able to post to this new board and only allowed to make one new post a day. Every attempt to post after that would present them with a search box and the words "Use this Dumbass"
Hmm seems i got a little carried away there but TBH it's a nice idea considering it started out as a joke and i rambled on it a little bit.
hi
All a request Pls ask all questions in the
gene questions and answers thread which is a sticky.
I will not inform any one in the future if i see a thread opened and if it does not have the relevance to be a new thread ill just close it thats it.
Some one has taken the pains to open a thread and i think all questions should be asked in that thread only.
Remember it also becomes a repository of question and answers for other to use when they need any answer they can search their and get their answer OK
A request to all ur helpful guys help them only if the question is asked in the Q& A thread
the link is given below
Link : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523175
Nice Initiative, Our new mod in Action Congratulations Haree, Good to see you in this position. Keep up the good work!
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Nice Initiative, Our new mod in Action Congratulations Haree, Good to see you in this position. Keep up the good work!
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hi
thanks buddy but then i need helpful guys like u to help in answering questions only if it is ask in the Q & A thread so all ur nice helpful guys kindly do it
thanks
@haree
nice initiative bud, but i think the only reason people seem to open thread to ask solutions for problems, big and small, is that although the q & a thread does do its work, its sometimes easy to get lost in threads that big...
i've been lucky enough to be helped by the senior members here so i ain't cribbing too much but this site is like a labyrinth for noobs...
take Da_g's thread for wm dev for example...it has a wealth of info, bug fixes and solutions...but its a pain to go through 1650 pages of posts...
and the search fails at such attempts too...
what i'm trying to suggest is to not only try and get all the q & a's in one thread but also have an index in its first few posts so people can jump straight to their concerned problem if someone has encountered it before and has been fixed...
something like what's been done here->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=669414
it'll make things easier for noobs, won't make 'em have to wait for someone to answer their questions and keep the forum clean...
just a thought...
anyways keep up the good work!!
peace!!
psychocyst said:
nice initiative bud, but i think the only reason people seem to open thread to ask solutions for problems, big and small, is that although the q & a thread does do its work, its sometimes easy to get lost in threads that big...
i've been lucky enough to be helped by the senior members here so i ain't cribbing too much but this site is like a labyrinth for noobs...
take Da_g's thread for wm dev for example...it has a wealth of info, bug fixes and solutions...but its a pain to go through 1650 pages of posts...
and the search fails at such attempts too...
what i'm trying to suggest is to not only try and get all the q & a's in one thread but also have an index in its first few posts so people can jump straight to their concerned problem if someone has encountered it before and has been fixed...
something like what's been done here->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=669414
it'll make things easier for noobs, won't make 'em have to wait for someone to answer their questions and keep the forum clean...
just a thought...
anyways keep up the good work!!
peace!!
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u cant have everything u want this is a forum it is up to the thread creator to do what u want and boss u need to search what im trying to do is just stop people from opening threads just because they want answers many times the answers are available its just that the person is lazy to search
ok thread closed
Hi,
I would like to propose the creation of a central reference thread for each sub-forum within the X10mini/pro fora.
They would contain rules, how to search, basics, FAQs, links to rooting, tutorials/guides, mods, themes, apps,... with respect to the respective sub-forum.
To get an idea check e.g. Hero CDMA Android Dev.
This will hopefully
-help organizing the fora more clearly
-prevent the same questions coming up all over again
-provide a useful pool of up-to-date information for both new and experienced users
-reduce everyone's need to search for fundamental things
-negate the need to otherwise sticky so many threads that the fora are just becoming unclear and clogged
You would be responsible to propose threads kept for future reference.
Opinions pls.
Thx and Best, DK
i think we have a thread like the CDMA thread made by dettofatto. the only thing is that we have multiple threads on same topic which could be deleted
just checked them briefly and yes, very good and helpful, not stickied though
so referencing them would be a must but imo wouldn't contradict my proposal about the central thread...
still, that's just me and its about you...will therefore patiently wait for further comments on this
Ed. I can add a poll if you think that's more helpful/faster
Sounds good.. and while we are at it.. get people to stick to the threads.. put all Themes in the Themes and Apps thread (not in Development) keep DEV stuff in the Dev Thread etc.. perhaps add a Newbie Thread where newbs can ask for help with issues so they don't fill the other threads...
Why are there Themes in the Dev section?
But yes a reorg is needed.
Kiwi
My concern is create two separate forums for x10 mini and x10 mini pro
kiwiBratwurst said:
Sounds good.. and while we are at it.. get people to stick to the threads.. put all Themes in the Themes and Apps thread (not in Development) keep DEV stuff in the Dev Thread etc.. perhaps add a Newbie Thread where newbs can ask for help with issues so they don't fill the other threads...
Why are there Themes in the Dev section?
But yes a reorg is needed.
Kiwi
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unfortunately happens regularly, excuses are manyfold and it would be naive to think this project will prevent it
still should be well worth the effort
cleanup and heavy thread shifting will be done anyway, already started but due to time restriction only on the dev fora...but will be continued
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My concern is create two separate forums for x10 mini and x10 mini pro
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I assume you mean for all subfora and not only for dev?
are accessories, t&a and so on so different that one cannot be used for/is incompatible to the other device?
then I would talk to admin, so pls enlighten me
I think that is fine and useful to put all important sw,updates and guides in same thread and link discussions only to this thread, of course then each sw has own discussions for help and experiences.
I would like a forum reorg
i also think that there are too many simillar threads, some that are just questions and are very missleading sometimes, also in the wrong place, maybe a structure like
*general
--tutorials/findings/configs/etc
--questions
*developement
--e10i/u20i
---->findings/breakthroughs/tutorials
---->questions
--e10i specific
---->findings/breakthroughs/tutorials
---->questions
--u20i specific
---->findings/breakthroughs/tutorials
---->questions
*themes
--method tutorials
--themes postings
--questions
*requests
or something like that because a reorganization is in need
also i think that there should be a section for both mini and pro because they may be different in hardware, but many methods, apps and ideas frome one work on the other and i feel that sometimes we miss out on developement from one or the other
hi
thx all for the contribution, I waited some time hoping additional ones might be posted, but maybe all are happy with the current suggestions...or waiting for my response...
lets comment:
all devices get as default the layout
xx General
xx Development
xx Accessories
xx Themes & Apps
device specific we have the known two dev fora, one for e10i and one for u20i and I don't think I can convince admin to create another one for shared development
not that I don't see the potential advantage, but I assume "misuse" would dominate so I'm fine as it is
still I also considered it wise to provide a place to collect development results of any kind usable on both devices
so alternately you have to specify dual usage in the thread title and we can also create an additional thread with references on that
reaching certain criteria a separate Q&A can be added, which I personally like very much and will address to admin immediately when a fore mentioned criteria are fulfilled
so as mentioned we are bound to the general forum layout, but what we might achieve could be like this:
*general
---->tutorials/findings/configuration/requests/FAQs/troubleshooting/references/how to/etc
---->e.g. separate thread like "newbies questions here"
---->OT chat thread if you like
*accessories
---->all accessories (batteries, cases, screen protection,...)
*development
--e10i specific
---->development (non app, non theme)/findings/breakthroughs/tutorials/roms/guides/modifications
---->reference thread for everything proven working/usable on both devices
--u20i specific
---->development (non app, non theme)/findings/breakthroughs/tutorials/roms/guides/modifications
*themes and apps
---->method tutorials/themes postings/applications posting/screen shots/miscellaneous (like splash screens,...)
*questions&answers (hopefully soon)
---->for all the rest (when available)
not stating this is finalized but it should give a good idea
comments pls
Cheers, DK
Reorganize! Hellyah!
Reorganize! Hellyah!
I intend to start this weekend, because I won't find the time before, but it's scheduled...
sounds really good!
maybe creating at the theme section a difference for mini and pro, or does the most of them on both models?
I would like to see a Q&A section. It would be nothing but beneficial as a place for people to ask questions without cluttering the general thread.
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I would like to see a Q&A section. It would be nothing but beneficial as a place for people to ask questions without cluttering the general thread.
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I already requested it, it will be available as soon as site admin finds the time
I figured that, just throwing my .02 cents out there.
forum is good!but sometimes slows...
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forum is good!but sometimes slows...
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care to elaborate on that?
it is nice...
we will have a new org?
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we will have a new org?
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there already is as proposed in #1
pls explain in detail what you mean
There is half a page of stickies in this forum. Stickies are great for pinning relivent / good to know / frequently accessed threads so they are easy to referance to, however when you have dozens (ya i know its only 10) of them it kind of defeats the purpose.
This does not mean the threads have useless information, nor does it mean they are not valuable to the community, its just my belief that the forum should have a clean look about it while still being easy to use / navigate the mess of information.
I have noticed other forums on XDA have a master sticky thread that LINKS to the important information that used to be stickied, that may be a viable option here.
Another option might be to condence some of the information? Operation Ironfist and the questions posted in general threads basically go along the same lines: Post stuff where it goes, or else. Why have two threads saying the same thing?
Is the "Updated to ICS and stuffs freezing on me" thread really relivant at this point? Most people have updated their primes by now, or are getting tablets with ICS already loaded on em. Does this need to be stickied?
The Do's and Donts of unlocked primes, shouldnt that go to the dev section since thats where the unlocked prime content is?
The unofficial by official asus thread... the first post hasnt been updated in a while, we basically all know the info thats in there, mostly people go there to ask questions that have been asked (and answered) a dozen times before.
The Serial number not found thread also seems a bit dated. There is a seach button for a reason.
Guides, Mods, and Helpful Posts...
THIS is where links to these threads SHOULD be, one index as it were of good threads people might need to referance to. A mod might add relevant info to this post and remove some stickies and, in my opinion, make the forum a better place.
Agreed? Or am i totally out of line? Discuss. (respectfully)
I read the title of your thread and then had a look and counted all the stickies.
Now I agree that maybe we have too many, but I am certainly not the man for the job when it comes to writing "THE CONDENSED MASTER THREAD"!
There are some of our fellow members here though that I believe are well up to the task.
+1 there are too many stickies imho. Also some of them like unknown serial update fail are somewhat outdated
Please sticky this thread.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
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Please sticky this thread.
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Bah! You beat me to it!
>Guides, Mods, and Helpful Posts...
>THIS is where links to these threads SHOULD be
Thanks to OP for volunteering. Please PM mod when done.
I would have to agree. Seems like we could at least cut the number stickies in half.
I completely agree when half of the first page is stickies it makes stickies useless. I used to admin a forum back in the day when windows "longhorn" or vista beta was in the making. I made sure stickies got limited to 5 max but tried to keep it at 2 or 3. When I had a lot of info that needed to be archived I simply created another section and archived all the info from the stickies and made it no reply. Funny you should post this as this is the very first thing that comes to mind every single time I log on here....TOO MANY STICKIES!
+1
I was just mentioning this yesterday.
*golf clap*