In all the Froyo roms currently out here, I have this same problem:
Any random time I check Advanced Task Killer, I'll see 12-15+ apps in the list that are open, that I didn't even open. Sucking my battery, memory and will to live.
Anyone else have this problem? Why do they keep coming on?
This has been addressed elsewhere I believe, so look for that. If you are rooted, you can download AutoKiller and set it to Optimum or Strict and your system will auto-kill background apps as memory fills up.
Let them run, it is fine. If you uninstall that darn task killer you'll never even know that they're running.
Should be in general or q&a
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listyb01 said:
Let them run, it is fine. If you uninstall that darn task killer you'll never even know that they're running.
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The strange thing is that they don't show up continuously running in something like xtrSense or PlainJain, which is what I find weird.
I have the same problem
when I updated from kaosfroyo 29 to 30, my battery life decreased greatly. And the battery life would remind me that they were running.
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The strange thing is that they don't show up continuously running in something like xtrSense or PlainJain, which is what I find weird.
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As an fyi they would not show up in xtrSENSE as I have set the default min memory free to a level for the ROM as if you are using a strict or higher value in autokiller
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what ive noticed through my experience with 2.2 vs. 2.1 roms, froyo manages these apps in the background a lot better than 2.1 does. i used advanced task killer religiously while on 2.1, but noticed that when i switched over to froyo it ran just as smooth, if not more smooth than before. so now i just dont even bother with ATK, and let froyo/autokiller do their thing. im also noticing, even in the absence of ATK, i am getting much better battery life with 2.2 than i did with 2.1.
just my two cents.
EDIT: should have said i was on kaosfroyo. dont have experience on others.
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Hello all, I'm just wondering, is having a task killer a good practice or not?I use task panelx. I am rooted, w/ xtrsense 4.6 and cfs v6 kernel I also use autokiller. Thanks I advance for any insight.
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Personally, I stopped using task killers months ago. Really didn't see any positive impact.
It's debatable. Some people like them, some people don't. Personally, I use one. I think that it improves the performance of my phone.
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Don't use it for autokilling but it is nice for if you just want to close an errant app that won't close.
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Don't use it for autokilling but it is nice for if you just want to close an errant app that won't close.
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Auto task killers are way more trouble than they are worth.
Here's the thing, no matter how your task killer works it's ALWAYS going to pull your program from your RAM (where it's using little to no battery) to your CPU (where it uses way more batter) and this is going to run your battery dry.
If your automatic task killer happens to kill a task when you're getting a phone call or trying to do something else you will notice serious lag for a moment and that's a pain.
Frankly, I have a task killer but I use it only when my phone is plugged in and usually only right after my phone starts up or after a day.
Hi everybody, as I have updated my phone to 2.1, I find it a bit laggy. I'm asking for your help to improve performances and get it smoothier.
Can anyone tell me which are the best settings for Autokiller to gain speed and improve battery life? I didn't found something obvious and really need to get it smoothier.
Regards.
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Also on this - I use TaskPanel - whenever I do a Kill All - it kills the SIM Card and restarts GSM services.
Anyone else seen this?
Otherwise I have the usual set to AutoKill - ignoring anything to do with Clocks, SetCPU, Widgets & Live Wallpaper.
Seems to kill a good 100+mb every time I press it.
edit: hope thats not a hijack
Maybe should you add stckappservice + datatrafixexcepmms + bluetoothheadsetservice processes to your ignore list. (Backupandrestore too)
OK so with ATK I'm always around 160 mb free Memory and many processes come back wathever I do : useragentprovider + custmizationprovider, etc...
Have someone a list of processes which are safe to uninstall and some settings for Autokiller? I really need to get faster and than it was on 1.6.
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I've not bothered installing one on 2.1 and found no reason to. The battery life has been significantly increased and although it started off a bit laggy it's smoothed it's self out now.
The following tools really help:
System Panel - monitor what drains battery/cpu time and then decide to throw that app out.
SetCPU - Just make sure to not restrain the cpu too much in hopes of saving that last percent of batt-life, it makes the system lag (ie. lowest while screen off makes the lock-screen/call-screen when turning it back on lag)
Autostarts - control what starts up on events (ie. Startup, battery power level change, etc) helps keep a lot of stuff from unnecessarily checking whether they need to do something.
AutoKiller Memory - Set a Ram-Profile in there. It'll kill tasks that aren't visible/high priority in case the ram gets too low/some other app needs the ram.
Good advise would also be: Don't use Task-Killers whenever you can avoid it. If an app drains too much battery: look for an alternative.
Killing all kinds of apps can do one of two things: either they start up automatically again or they start up on demand again. In both cases a well-coded app that doesn't suck batteries dry will use more batt re-starting and loading everything back into ram than it would if it just stayed there idle. And it'll remove lag by a lot.
Ram is getting powered either way. Use the ram you have. Mine's running constantly below 60MiB of free Ram (usually around 50) and it doesn't experience any lag.
What you also might want to look into is removing useless stuff that SE installed that'll just suck cpu-cycles every chance it gets.
Mine is silky smooth, but I have removed all crapware like moxier, quadrapop, all the Asian language keyboards, wisepilot. Etc. Now its very lean and fast
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I think they were more essential in older versions such as 1.6.
Advanced Task Manager.
Kill process every 30 min (differt setting possible)
U can choose task that don't want kill (exclude list)
Works perfectly.
I confirm lag on my 2.1 Xperia. Better some minutes after boot. Why?
Only a Q. Is it just possible to root the 2.1 version?
Tnks
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Silver_77 said:
Only a Q. Is it just possible to root the 2.1 version?
Tnks
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Yes, read the sticky in the development section.
NightSidew1nd3r said:
Mine is silky smooth, but I have removed all crapware like moxier, quadrapop, all the Asian language keyboards, wisepilot. Etc. Now its very lean and fast
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How you do that, is it 2.1 rooted?
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How you do that, is it 2.1 rooted?
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Yes you will need to root to remove some apps.
i have root 2.1 but how do i remove apps?
can i do it on the phone or do i need to use adb on my pc?
I don't know why mine is laggy : I've uninstalled useless apps, I've tried many settings for Autokiller, and I don't kill processes which always come back.
I've noticed that my apps are not laggy, only Homescreen. I use ADW Launcher, anyone else noticed its Homescreen latency?
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i have root 2.1 but how do i remove apps?
can i do it on the phone or do i need to use adb on my pc?
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You need to use titaniumbackup. Ensure you to enable chuck norris mod if you want to remove pre~loaded apps.
Edit : be careful, many apps mustn't be removed.
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thanks for the explination
Edit : all work fine now. I just set setcpu minimum scale to 384 and max to 752.It doesn't lag anymore. I'm gonna analyze battery life with these settings and report them.
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Hi All,
I came across a few articles online that suggest that the task managers/killers actually do more harm than good. As far as I know, the Android OS is pretty good at multitasking and managing apps when it is needed to free RAM/CPU.
Would like to hear input specifically regarding the X10 and how these apps affect the system and/or phone specially after the 2.1 update?
Thanks!
Well aince I got to 2.1 Ive havent found the need to download a task killer. Its been stable with 100-140mb constant no matter how many apps I open. But in 1.6 I was getting 20mb if I didnt use task killer lol im guessing the need for task killer as the os upgrades gets less and less as 2.2 really gets ****ed by it lol
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I've read online about how closing some apps such as mediascape will affect your other media applications cos these services are tied together. But I've always killed all of the ones I don't see myself needing in the next hour or so, and nothing's ever really crashed for me heh.
But I do make it a point to close all apps before running quadrant. Very very pleased with my 730 score
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Well aince I got to 2.1 Ive havent found the need to download a task killer. Its been stable with 100-140mb constant no matter how many apps I open. But in 1.6 I was getting 20mb if I didnt use task killer lol im guessing the need for task killer as the os upgrades gets less and less as 2.2 really gets ****ed by it lol
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Dumb question, how do you check the RAM?
Best get something like autokiller memory optimizer.
You generally don't need much ram free and if you don't use apps that will eat the hell out of your system in the bg then there's no problem at all.
I haven't used a task killer since switching to 2.1 and there's no performance problems.
I still facing ram problem even after upgrade 2.1, hope no need any task killer anymore once we get 2.2
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gaolinde said:
I still facing ram problem even after upgrade 2.1, hope no need any task killer anymore once we get 2.2
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Not sure if the X10 will get 2.2. Looks like 2.1 is the end of the road for us.
By automatism, after I updated to 2.1 I installed advanced task killer, and at one point I noticed that, whean I had killed apps ammount of free RAM decereased ? So at that point, I uninstalled task killer to check will I notice any change in performance, and there was NONE I could notice, together with same battery duration.
So, so far I vote for no task killers.
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Not sure if the X10 will get 2.2. Looks like 2.1 is the end of the road for us.
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come on we have 2.2 custom rom on the way.
and good new is i just tested the custom room it appeared froyo managed ram really well, i launched a ton of software and still having more than 100mb of free ram.
gaolinde said:
come on we have 2.2 custom rom on the way.
and good new is i just tested the custom room it appeared froyo managed ram really well, i launched a ton of software and still having more than 100mb of free ram.
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Yeah I know we have custom ROMs. I was referring to the official update from SE. I know we will get the UXP update sometime in the future but, not sure if they will go as far as releasing a 2.2 update for the X10?
I don't use it anymore since on 2.1, when using it on 2.1 there's a lot of glitches and it DOES do more harm than good. I get better overall performance without it.
I use it, facebook, skype start by themselves and drain my battery
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I use it, facebook, skype start by themselves and drain my battery
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Yes but, according to Android developers, 2.1 automatically closes these idle programs to prevent that. They claim that android is capable of handling this and that any task manger apps are useless.
Read this article http://androinica.com/2010/05/07/go...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
Since upgrade to 2.1, I installed Task Killer. It cleaned my memory to have available mem from 80MB to 150MB. However, it got some weired behaviour such as
- X10 got lag for a moment when the screen is just back on.
- when the screen is just back on, Wifi cannot reconnect. I have to disable and enable it again.
So I read to post of Android multitasking and I try it by disable AutoKill but keep the widget on the sceen to see the available mem.
My mem keep available around 70-80MB and X10 performance is increase. No more lag or have to re-enable wifi after screen is back on.
I already remove Taskkiller but installed Watchdog instead. Because there are some bad coding software out there which comsume the battery and CPU even you've exited. In such a case, I have to kill those apps manually.
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You want the memory to be as full as possible!!! This means that those often used tasks are there, waiting. This is not Windows! Stop forcing Android to reload everything from scratch! No wonder things are lagging for you.
I've done many experiment about it.
Here's few conclusion, everything you guys claims are all true.
Android is nix base, fulfilling ram mean more cache, more speed.
However, more process mean more CPU usage in some service.
Some softwares are not properly coded, it, unfortunately, doesn't release the resource when it exits
And it's also true that force killing it, will eat more battery because without properly closing, it will eventually open up again
I suggest, instead of killing a task using ATK.
try this one.
http://andrs.w3pla.net/autokiller
It teaches android how to deal with the memory, so it's android who do your dirty job.
Hmm.... I take a look at at autokiller. I think it's better to let Android handle the mem for me. What I'm looking for is an apps that monitor backgound processes/apps that consumes CPU and memory which they should not.
Once identify those apps, I need to kill them individually.
Watchdog paid version suits me well on this purpose. I can put those apps in the blacklist. If they consumes more CPU in the background process, Watchdog will kill them automatically.
I may consider autokiller when I have of low memory warning from my X10 which is currently I have not.
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I do without but my phone is seriously laggy at times, it drops under 20mb free ram within seconds after rebooting, extremely annoying! I heard things about jit, but I really have no idea how it works. Also I have a mac, so all those adb needed programs I can't run.
Is there any good application which can make my phone quicker? Now I have some times half screens by sliding through pages in the launcher, that can't be normal!
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I do without but my phone is seriously laggy at times, it drops under 20mb free ram within seconds after rebooting, extremely annoying! I heard things about jit, but I really have no idea how it works. Also I have a mac, so all those adb needed programs I can't run.
Is there any good application which can make my phone quicker? Now I have some times half screens by sliding through pages in the launcher, that can't be normal!
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Try install these app
1. RamDroid
2. Advance Task Killer- set the killing frequency to 'switch screen off'
3. CpuTuner (setcpu)- i prefer use the 'ondemand' frequency cos i wan to conserve battery.
all free app.. and need rooted phones. it quite user friendly. jus play with it awhile, u'll know how to use.
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I do without but my phone is seriously laggy at times, it drops under 20mb free ram within seconds after rebooting, extremely annoying! I heard things about jit, but I really have no idea how it works. Also I have a mac, so all those adb needed programs I can't run.
Is there any good application which can make my phone quicker? Now I have some times half screens by sliding through pages in the launcher, that can't be normal!
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I'm using minfreemanager from market with aggressive option, what gives me ~70MB free RAM by the Android's native taskkiller. It's the best choice as of the 2.1 have a lot services running in backround and nobody should harm them.
Trust me, minfreemanager is your weapon against slowness
I heard it was bad using a task killer. is it true? If it is, what cpu watcher should i use. Is watchdog an option. Let me know thanks. I heard it doesnt work for froyo, the task killers.
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Yes, I heard and read that in this Forum. I visited the other Forum and they write same issue.
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I heard it was bad using a task killer. is it true? If it is, what cpu watcher should i use. Is watchdog an option. Let me know thanks. I heard it doesnt work for froyo, the task killers.
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Then whats the best way to manage cpu?
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let android do that.
linux is different from windows. period
If three processes are killing memory, kill 3 processes! Advanced task killer and Is monitor work fine for me
Sometimes your better off just ignoring arguments. Linux has PS and TOP to view processing. Kill lid is as Unix as there is O hack away
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let android do that.
linux is different from windows. period
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Why? If things are dickies, stop them and remove if persistent as problems.. they are safe to kill all day
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A quick overview for you..
Android, in theory, manages it's memory allocation under the premise that free memory is wasted memory.. so it fills the memory up with apps that you use, to a point, keeping a small amount free for caching etc.. when you launch something that will take your memory allocation over the preset limit then it will drop something out of memory that hasn't been used in a while..
However.. there are occasions where Android 2.1 doesn't seem to manage things perfectly and the x10 slows down.. so to remedy this you can kill a few "user initiated" tasks..
This is where many people get into problems.. They download something like ATK and set it to aggressive autokill and then it kills system apps which the system either needs (and so you get operational problems with the phone) or it restarts them.. ATK kills them again.. the system restarts them... etc.. (using the battery more quickly).
There are also some apps which are badly written and don't sleep when "minimised" wasting battery.
So the solution is to get a task killer of some sort and use it manually when you need it.. make sure you set "persistent" apps and system apps to ignore, then you should just be left with stuff you've installed.. and you can kill those all day long!
im_icemen is right, you need a good task killer. Personally I use ES Task Manager, if you set a good ignore list you can use its widget which makes everything faster
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I use spare parts and set killing to aggressive
I use ATK but with no Auto-Kill at all. Every now and then I find an app move a little slowly and manually kill a couple of tasks then, and I find YX Player doesn't always drop out of memory after playing a video and stops the lockscreen so I kill it too.
But its not often I have to use it.
Some say task killers cause harm to anDroiD. But personally i feel task killers are must.. itsm quickly kills tasks, frees up memories and boosts up system..
HIT THANKS BUTTON IF HELPED IN
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''Autokiller memory optimizer'' does the trick for me. Its not a task killer in the usual sense. It just allows you to adjust memory thresholds. I set it to moderate and i have no problems with speed or anything like that.
Edit: The reason why some say task killers are bad is due to the possibility of battery drain. Depending on how they are configured the rate of task killing can rapidly deplete the battery.
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I have CM7 stable on my NC and a few friends told me to get Advanced Task Killer to help battery. I had read somewhere that you should get task killers on android, can anyone explain why? and should i get it?
No task killer.
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
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No task killer.
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
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does it ruin my battery?
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does it ruin my battery?
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Android has a good memory manager that kills things as you use the device. The API for task killers was removed in froyo, and all versions since then, so while they might seem to work, the apps will just restart every time, which causes excess cpu usage, which equals more battery drain.
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Absolutely get ATK, I've used it for a year on my Droid and it's invaluable, even with Froyo. Sometimes my phone would get so slow from so many apps running that I can barely get ATK started. Then after I kill everything my phone is back to normal. What's funny is that IOS is a much more capable operating system in this regard. I can have tons of stuff open and nothing slows down, not so on Android.
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Absolutely get ATK, I've used it for a year on my Droid and it's invaluable, even with Froyo. Sometimes my phone would get so slow from so many apps running that I can barely get ATK started. Then after I kill everything my phone is back to normal. What's funny is that IOS is a much more capable operating system in this regard. I can have tons of stuff open and nothing slows down, not so on Android.
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Maybe so, but ATK doesn't kill them. They will always restart. If you must clear apps from memory go to settings>applications>manage applications then hit running and close all unwanted apps. Some will restart, but not all.
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Maybe so, but ATK doesn't kill them. They will always restart. If you must clear apps from memory go to settings>applications>manage applications then hit running and close all unwanted apps. Some will restart, but not all.
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What is head. ATK sucks battery and Android has great memory management already.