I'm curious... Do you apply/wanna apply a lag fix because your device is actually lagging or is it just the thing to do nowadays? I ask because I have never found a need for one. The only lag I had on the Vibrant was when I first took it out of the box and even that was kinda tolerable. But as things are right now, I really don't see how my device could get any faster and if it could...why? Quadrant scores? What is the real advantage (if any) to having it? .02¢
Lag fix? Never have, never will!
High quadrant scores. Do you see the first thing most people mention when they install the lag fix?
"My quadrant score went from 200 to 2000!!!!!!!!" as if it was an indicator of actual performance.
No good, controlled tests have been conducted.
I don't use it. The one time I did, when it was included in the kernel with BLN, I had horrible battery life. Most people use it to get higher scores. The N1 would run circles around the Vibrant in terms of scores but when in real world testing, both devices are just as fast.
It's not just scores...
It makes your system a bit faster people nowadays do it without needing to and there's nothing wrong with that.
I run a lagfix and it has improved my speed and response.
Without making me lose any battery
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It's not just scores...
It makes your system a bit faster people nowadays do it without needing to and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Point taken, but looking at most of the threads in the Q&A section...it seems that the LF's do more harm than good, especially if you aren't too sure about what you're doing.
Lag fix? Never have, never will!
The lag fix circumvents RFS in many areas.
Galaxy S phones have terrible I/O performance. Notably Database Read/Writes and apps that work generally hit the storage often.
Run Touchdown on a Galaxy S phone without a lag fix and you'll see how sluggish that application runs due to RFS. The workaround is to move the database to the external SD Card (which results in frequent corruptions) or install a lag fix.
It also causes the phone to take an inordinate amount of time to boot up (Media Scanning... etc.) and lag randomly when applications sync and access the storage to write data. It lags when Installing and Uninstalling applications from the Android market as well.
If you think a Lag Fix is only to boost Quadrant Scores (those scores are bunk, anyways), then perhaps you're using a different phone in a Vibrant casing.
There are several applications littered with "laggy on my Galaxy S" in the market.
Also, there is a bug in the Samsung Android 2.1 kernel that breaks some applications. That's why there are apps popping up saying you need 2.2 on your Galaxy S phone to run them (Skype, Yahoo Messenger, etc.).
My Vibrant, both before and after JI6, was laggy to the point of not being usable - until I applied RyanZA's OCLF (I removed OCLF and tried voodoo but soft-bricked the phone in the process). I've never run the Quadrant score analysis - all I care about is usability of the phone, and after the OCLF was applied my phone became usable.
I tried Axura 2.0.x with no lag fixes and, while my phone was generally faster than JI6 pre-lag fix, it still suffered from lag in many user interactions (opening apps, launching email, reading individual emails, using gallery, etc.) I went back to stock + JI6 via ODIN, reapplied OCLF, and was happy again.
Are there different hardware revisions of the Vibrant that might account for the differences in user experience? I've seen many posts from users who claim they never had any lag or GPS problems, and many more (like me) who have been plagued with them.
Most of those users are fanboys and wouldn't admit it even if they fot one of those 5+ second lockups while making their post.
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I'm curious... Do you apply/wanna apply a lag fix because your device is actually lagging or is it just the thing to do nowadays? I ask because I have never found a need for one. The only lag I had on the Vibrant was when I first took it out of the box and even that was kinda tolerable. But as things are right now, I really don't see how my device could get any faster and if it could...why? Quadrant scores? What is the real advantage (if any) to having it? .02¢
Lag fix? Never have, never will!
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It's cause the phone is laggy. I don't usr lag fixes because I don't lile tampering with phones at the system level, regardless, but I have freezes several times a day and have even had my phone completely lock up on me a couple of times - requiring a battery pull.
The less services you have running, and the less apps that sync data runnimg, the less the lag is. The lag happens mostly when the storagr is used (background syncing can cause it, for example).
Yes, people with no twit/fb/reader apps/accounts setup, among other things may be totally fine depending on their usage.
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Once you go Lag Fix you never go back! Lol
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It has made some apps actually usable.
Before the lag fix, the facebook app was basically unusable for me. Any action would have a 5-10 second pause before seeing a result.
Swipe to scroll, wait, click a picture, wait.
I think the facebook app was the worse for me because I did manual updates so every time I launched the app, it would be d/ling and writing while I was trying to scroll around and read stuff.
But in general, it has made my phone usable. Before I did the lag fix, I basically stopped using my phone because it got so annoying having to wait.
I've never run quadrant on my phone actually. I don't even really use root for anything. I did it primarily for the lag fix and the I changed my battery bar so that it's accurate. Everything else I'm happy with.
So, could this just be an issue that only certain phones have? Or, could some of it be mental? Like, if you hear enough ppl say that this is broken or that isn't working...you start to think that yours is broken also? I've never had an issue with gps...and I use foursquare and navigation on a regular basis. But everybody else seems to have broken gps.
Lag fix? Never have, never will!
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Yes, people with no twit/fb/reader apps/accounts setup, among other things may be totally fine depending on their usage.
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This makes sense. Everything besides my work email account is synced manually. FB, TD, etc. And when I get really busy I even cut my data off. But on the other hand, I text and browse constantly. And switch back and forth between appear running simultaneously. And when im not working...
Lag fix? Never have, never will!
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This makes sense. Everything besides my work email account is synced manually. FB, TD, etc. And when I get really busy I even cut my data off.
Lag fix? Never have, never will!
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hmm... I used a JFS lag fix for awhile, and it still hung slightly when syncing.
it did not seem better or worse really.
and the same thing happens on my mytouch so I think its just something that happens, lag fix running or not.
its really not that bothersome, but I do the same as you, I manually sync most everything.
I mean if I'm not looking at my facebook widget constantly, why should it be auto syncing?
lol it only takes a second to push the refresh button
but thats just me.
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It's cause the phone is laggy. I don't usr lag fixes because I don't lile tampering with phones at the system level, regardless, but I have freezes several times a day and have even had my phone completely lock up on me a couple of times - requiring a battery pull.
The less services you have running, and the less apps that sync data runnimg, the less the lag is. The lag happens mostly when the storagr is used (background syncing can cause it, for example).
Yes, people with no twit/fb/reader apps/accounts setup, among other things may be totally fine depending on their usage.
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I have 2 email account, syncmypix, weather apps & news updating every hour and i have never had any lag problems, even running on JI2 stock, much less ever had phone freezes. The ONLY time I had phone freezing was messing with those OC kernels, which I promptly uninstalled.
Let me ask people that run lag fixes this, when playing with the Vibrant at the t-mobile store, why did you choose buy it if you were experiencing this "lag", especially when it was running stock firmware?
edit: I also ran JFS lag fix for a day, but that drained my battery faster than a fat kid ate cake. It was not even noticeably faster either.
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So, could this just be an issue that only certain phones have? Or, could some of it be mental? Like, if you hear enough ppl say that this is broken or that isn't working...you start to think that yours is broken also? I've never had an issue with gps...and I use foursquare and navigation on a regular basis. But everybody else seems to have broken gps.
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Its not mental its on every phone. Unless lagfixed/hacked u have the same fileaystem as us.
The home switchers and unofficial roms are morw mental due to placebo effect - some lag fixes aren't even that good, but people claim tenfold improvements due to placebo effect...
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I have 2 email account, syncmypix, weather apps & news updating every hour and i have never had any lag problems, even running on JI2 stock, much less ever had phone freezes. The ONLY time I had phone freezing was messing with those OC kernels, which I promptly uninstalled.
Let me ask people that run lag fixes this, when playing with the Vibrant at the t-mobile store, why did you choose buy it if you were experiencing this "lag", especially when it was running stock firmware?
edit: I also ran JFS lag fix for a day, but that drained my battery faster than a fat kid ate cake. It was not even noticeably faster either.
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The phone T the store wasn't syncing a google and corp accoumt, plus facebook, plus twitter, and other apps. It simply wadn't prone to lagging, brcausr no user in their righy mind sets their **** up on a display unit just to test it.
Btw, "why didn't you test it for 10 min before you bought it" is getting old.
Their were no other good phones in t-mo when many of us broughy yhis. Couldn't just swap for a g2, mt4g, or hd7.
Many people thought an update would fix it, like the gps.
We were wrong, obviously.
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hmm... I used a JFS lag fix for awhile, and it still hung slightly when syncing.
it did not seem better or worse really.
and the same thing happens on my mytouch so I think its just something that happens, lag fix running or not.
its really not that bothersome, but I do the same as you, I manually sync most everything.
I mean if I'm not looking at my facebook widget constantly, why should it be auto syncing?
lol it only takes a second to push the refresh button
but thats just me.
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If not syncing, then you can miss direct message notifications on fb and twitter.
Symcing manually is unacceptable to many. Don't have to do that on other phones......
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BlackElvis79 said:
Point taken, but looking at most of the threads in the Q&A section...it seems that the LF's do more harm than good, especially if you aren't too sure about what you're doing.
Lag fix? Never have, never will!
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If you have stock rom then oclf is best and I'm on Axura so my choice is voodoo but I've read it causes too many problems.
People should know what their doing before messing with stuff like that..
They have a forum here to ask all these questions but they do it themselves then when their phones screwed they ask questions...
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If not syncing, then you can miss direct message notifications on fb and twitter.
Symcing manually is unacceptable to many. Don't have to do that on other phones......
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I've done it on pretty much every phone I've owned, but like I said its not really nessicary, if anything its a slight stutter, but either way its not different than other android phones I've used (even my vibrant using a lag fix). its really just my preference to sync manually.
ive noticed that after a day or two of my phone being on the available ram starts to drop no matter how many apps i kill (using advanced task killer). its kind of gradual but im just wondering if that app isnt killing them right or if after being on for so long phone processes i cant see start opening up. this has happened regardless of the rom im using and even on stock. only a restart resets it and i hate doing it cuz a restart drops the battery like 10%. its not a wrong ram reading the phone is noticeably slower
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ive noticed that after a day or two of my phone being on the available ram starts to drop no matter how many apps i kill (using advanced task killer). its kind of gradual but im just wondering if that app isnt killing them right or if after being on for so long phone processes i cant see start opening up. this has happened regardless of the rom im using and even on stock. only a restart resets it and i hate doing it cuz a restart drops the battery like 10%. its not a wrong ram reading the phone is noticeably slower
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App Killers are useless. They are unnecessary on modern UNIX-based operating systems. Save yourself the trouble and uninstall it.
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ive noticed that after a day or two of my phone being on the available ram starts to drop no matter how many apps i kill (using advanced task killer). its kind of gradual but im just wondering if that app isnt killing them right or if after being on for so long phone processes i cant see start opening up. this has happened regardless of the rom im using and even on stock. only a restart resets it and i hate doing it cuz a restart drops the battery like 10%. its not a wrong ram reading the phone is noticeably slower
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Don't use task killers, end of story.
What i do is restart the phone every morning once i get up and let it charge back up
You really shouldn't be having ram issues with a phone with this much ram lol.
Task killers are worse for these and a lot of developers will tell you the same.
Just let the phone kill the apps and unless you are having low ram issues, like rebooting or slowness because of memory, there shouldn't be anything to worry about.
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Building on what everyone has said, it also seems like you may have a rogue app that's causing a memory leak.
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Hi all;
For some reason, within the last couple of weeks, my phone has been freezing like crazy.
I uninstalled Advanced Task Killer and I use the installed Task Manager to monitor my ram usage and it's weird.
At any given time, I only have about 40-50 mb of ram left.
On average, out of 304 it shows that something is using anywhere from 230-260 mb of ram.
I shut everything down (using the task manager...shutting down level 1 and level 2) and still there is no change. I tried to not shut anything down to see if things would work themselves out, but still my ram is being eaten up.
I even went so far as to do a factory reset, hoping that this would fix the problem, but nada!
I've uninstalled every single program that I've installed within the last week or so, but still nothing.
My phone is becoming a brick and I don't know why. Next step is to call Tmobile, but seeing that my warranty is over, I"m sure that they will rape me with a replacement fee.
Any help would be most appreciated.
What rom? I'm experiencing the very same thing. Usually this happens when I've been in a rom for a very long time.
Maybe try wiping the SD card?
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What rom? I'm experiencing the very same thing. Usually this happens when I've been in a rom for a very long time.
Maybe try wiping the SD card?
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This. But only on sense roms, just install cyanogen mod, that rom never bogs down.
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Is there a way to increase my RAM memory? I tried partition SD but it just increases my internal memory..
Thank you in advanced!
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maybe it have a software on market but i dont remember it
Nope. From the factory we have a misleading 512mb. I say that due to the fact that something like 170mb is automatically eaten up by the Android system. Leaving us with a meager 340mb. In the beginning kernel makers were tweaking the amount we had available but it left other things broken. We can never have more ram available without ruining other processes. And adding a new chip of ram like a pc is absolutely out of the question. May I ask why do you need more ram? Are your homescreens widget city? I've needed to compromise which widgets I use but thanks to circle launcher makes it not half bad.
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One of the things that I do when I flash a new ROM is delete all the /system/apps that I do not use. Well, delete isn't really the right word. I move them over to a folder on my external, so just in case I ever want to reinstall them, I can just move them back to /system/app, wipe Dalvik and reboot and viola they are there. Another thing that I also do is if I don't know about a certain app and what it does, I'll use TBPro to freeze it and wait for a few days to see if there are any adverse effect. If not, then I'll uninstall, If so, then I will defrost and make note.
The reason I mention this is, aside from being in widget/homescreen hell, there are system apps that you may not need/use that are running and taking up unneccessary RAM. Example: If you never use Maps, then move it out and that service (locator- I think it is) won't be running in the background.
There are times that I opened a lot of apps,some still runs in background even if i already closed it and it decreases the performance of my phone.. I have a friend who have a Samsung Ace and he was able to add up memory of his ram..I did the same thing and it just adds up on my internal SD... just wondering if that is something to do with tweaking.. by the way I'm on MIUI
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There are times that I opened a lot of apps,some still runs in background even if i already closed it and it decreases the performance of my phone.. I have a friend who have a Samsung Ace and he was able to add up memory of his ram..I did the same thing and it just adds up on my internal SD... just wondering if that is something to do with tweaking.. by the way I'm on MIUI
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Any of the "hacks" to get more memory on this phone will result in either lower performance or breaking something or both. That's why there's not anything around for "increasing" memory.
Any by the way, he probably added a swap partition on his phone, which NONE of the roms for vibrant support/have implemented.
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Well try what I do. Im using startup manager and blocking which apps are allowed to startup without me starting them. Start up cleaner is free and appears to do the same thing. Much better than freezing in titanium because they are still useable. A VERY few apps might start up anyway but who cares you will be in much better shape overall.
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