I read on Engadget that the Droid Eris will not be getting the 2.2 Froyo update. Anybody else hear this? It's a shame, considering it seems that 2.2 runs great on my Eris. I'm sure we will see a little spike in these forums with "zomg how do haxxor Eris I wnt Froyo plz halp". What does everybody think of this news from Verizon? Smart move, or mistake?
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This has been known for some time now. The Eris has been discontinued and therefore Verizon, has no obligation to remain updating our devices. I feel it is a mistake, judging from all of the Eris users, but what're ya gonna do? Haha
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This has been known forever, they just finally told us outright.
Though it's a shame that Verizon will not be giving the eris any more updates it's understandable. You can see in our roms that our phones don't benefit greatly from Froyo. There's a light increase in speed and stability but our phones just weren't meant to deal with these things. Putting newer software on an older device isn't always going to lead to speed increases.
Basically, it sucks, but it makes sense.
after rooting i don't need verizon to push froyo. plenty of froyo roms to choose from here.
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after rooting i don't need verizon to push froyo. plenty of froyo roms to choose from here.
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Very true. And the froyo rom choices we have here probably run better that what verizon would have pushed out.
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Very true. And the froyo rom choices we have here probably run better that what verizon would have pushed out.
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every custom rom (2.1 or 2.2) from XDA are 100000% better than the crap Verizon put out. No comparison.
I'm happy with my phone rooted running Tazz 6.0 vanilla.
It only makes sense because the phone is discontinued, other than that its stupid cause the phone still has not been out for a long enough time to not receive updates seeing how most that bought the phone has not had it long enough to upgrade
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It makes little difference to me what Verizon does. I'll have my Eris till I'm due for an upgrade or it dies or gets lost. When my 2 years are up, I'll shop all the major service providers for the best deal.
Corporations have no customer loyalty, and I have no brand loyalty. Our objectives are the same; nothing personal, its about the bottom line.
Besides, Xda's dev and tech support is better service than I've ever gotten from a cell phone provider. Donate what you can when you can.
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It makes little difference to me what Verizon does. I'll have my Eris till I'm due for an upgrade or it dies or gets lost. When my 2 years are up, I'll shop all the major service providers for the best deal.
Corporations have no customer loyalty, and I have no brand loyalty. Our objectives are the same; nothing personal, its about the bottom line.
Besides, Xda's dev and tech support is better service than I've ever gotten from a cell phone provider. Donate what you can when you can.
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Verizon does have good coverage at least.
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It makes little difference to me what Verizon does. I'll have my Eris till I'm due for an upgrade or it dies or gets lost. When my 2 years are up, I'll shop all the major service providers for the best deal.
Corporations have no customer loyalty, and I have no brand loyalty. Our objectives are the same; nothing personal, its about the bottom line.
Besides, Xda's dev and tech support is better service than I've ever gotten from a cell phone provider. Donate what you can when you can.
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Ill have to fully agree with that.. My phone has been a lot better off with the creation coming from the dev's here.. and as soon as im able to upgrade ill be doing the same and as soon as i recieve that phone ill be rooting and flashing custom roms
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Verizon does have good coverage at least.
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True on a national scale. I happen to live in an area where the big four all have good coverage.
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Ill have to fully agree with that.. My phone has been a lot better off with the creation coming from the dev's here.. and as soon as im able to upgrade ill be doing the same and as soon as i recieve that phone ill be rooting and flashing custom roms
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Absolutely. And Also, more choices and if you're not satisfied with one rom, you can try another till you find the best match for you.
Also, bug reports are acknowledged and addressed as soon as possible. While Verizon tends to publicly deny or ignore or shift blame until months later they might release a patch.
We really have a good thing going here with some great devs. And you can learn alot too and do your own tinkering if you want to.
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Also, bug reports are acknowledged and addressed as soon as possible. While Verizon tends to publicly deny or ignore or shift blame until months later they might release a patch.
We really have a good thing going here with some great devs. And you can learn alot too and do your own tinkering if you want to.
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Very true
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I AGREE.
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every custom rom (2.1 or 2.2) from XDA are 100000% better than the crap Verizon put out. No comparison.
I'm happy with my phone rooted running Tazz 6.0 vanilla.
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I believe it is a mistake since Eris users are still under contract and cannot afford to buy a new phone outright. The service that Verizon has given the Eris has really disgruntled me with them to the point that I am actually considering switching networks over this. I just bought my Eris in March and 6 months into the contract (and 5 Replacements later) the phone is not even supported anymore. So I have a year left before my upgrade date to think about how much Verizon screwed us. I understand they don't sell the phone anymore, but they still have plenty of customers under contract. It is obvious that once they make the initial sale, they no longer care about us until it is time for contract renewal.
That's why I got away from Verizon when my contract ran out. They aren't very customer focused imo. I use a Verizon MVNO, and I have a tiny data budget each month, but it really doesn't matter much as I use WIFI most of the time (home and work). It's much cheaper too, and I still get to use Verizon's network.
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every custom rom (2.1 or 2.2) from XDA are 100000% better than the crap Verizon put out. No comparison.
I'm happy with my phone rooted running Tazz 6.0 vanilla.
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My wife has the Droid incredible and she has the 2.2 update applied to it. Let me be the first to say its no different than 2.1. I've played around with it a fair amount and side by side other than being inherently faster due to the 1.0 ghz its no diff than the stock Eris as far as functionality goes. Our froyo roms that are developed are by far better imo than the stock update
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I believe it is a mistake since Eris users are still under contract and cannot afford to buy a new phone outright. The service that Verizon has given the Eris has really disgruntled me with them to the point that I am actually considering switching networks over this. I just bought my Eris in March and 6 months into the contract (and 5 Replacements later) the phone is not even supported anymore. So I have a year left before my upgrade date to think about how much Verizon screwed us. I understand they don't sell the phone anymore, but they still have plenty of customers under contract. It is obvious that once they make the initial sale, they no longer care about us until it is time for contract renewal.
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You're a bit confused. Verizon has gone beyond what I ever expected when it comes to Eris support. Verizon gave us that most recent July Update with a new radio and bug fix.
What people fail to understand is that froyo on our phone is pretty much wasted on us.
ex: Our phones jump from 250 to 450 (app.) quadrant scores. Our phones get an added 2mflops ~~. That's the jump from 2.1 to 2.2.
That's a tiny jump, not even 2x the quadrant score, and a measly 2mflops.
Look at the incredible, it jumps from mflops of 5.2 to 28. The change is much more significant and clear.
In summation, Verizon spending time and money on updates for our phone would be useless since our phones hardware is so underwhelming.
[soapbox]The news doesn't surprise or upset me. I wish it weren't so, but only because having an official Eris Sense Froyo ROM as a base could only improve Froyo (plus bring Froyo+Sense) ROMs on the Eris. I would guess this is the major reason most people on here don't like that we're not getting the updates.
With the custom ROMs we have already, the Eris is such a great phone, and it wouldn't be much if any return on investment for HTC/Verizon to bother with Froyo on this retired phone. Acting the devil's advocate, what's good for Verizon is good for us (in general, not necessarily always). If they don't spend resources and money on "x", then they don't have to raise our rates or cut other services to help fund some expenditures. It wouldn't happen immediately but it's inevitable that it would eventually. The longer they can put it off, the better for us.
After all, do any of us who run custom ROMs on our Eris think that our phone sucks? If you do, you either are using the wrong ROM or are unrealistic in your expectations.
Sorry for the rant!!![/soapbox]
I think the Eris running KaosFroyo is awesome but that's not going to stop me from jumping over to Sprint for an EVO. The fact that verizon has outright stated that they will be offering tiered Data (with good reason, they're collapsing in the face of the smartphone revolution) in addition to a not insignificant price difference combined with their lack of customer focus adds up to an account loss.
I love the verizon network, but when you can hack a PRL that roams onto it and can do so voice and data for free? Even the network loses a mark. One thing I am doing for sure though when I jump ship is I am going to offer my twice used (I bought it used) eris right here to a developer for cheap before I take it to ebay. As my last act of support for the community.
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Where should I go from here? I'm not finding anything that I'm enjoying about the Eris anymore. It's naturally slow and outdated, and my favorite ROM has been discontinued.
I've researched a few phones on the market (Incredible, Droid 2, etc) but I know there are others out there. Are there any that are just completely phenomenal?
My contract isn't up for quite a while, so I won't be getting an upgrade anytime soon unless someone knows of a contract loophole. Any advice for a (relatively cheap/free) upgrade?
Also, any good way to breathe some new life into my Eris? I've tried every major ROM, not totally enjoying any other than Evil Eris (again, discontinued..). Throw out any ideas short of bricking it
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Where should I go from here? I'm not finding anything that I'm enjoying about the Eris anymore. It's naturally slow and outdated, and my favorite ROM has been discontinued.
I've researched a few phones on the market (Incredible, Droid 2, etc) but I know there are others out there. Are there any that are just completely phenomenal?
My contract isn't up for quite a while, so I won't be getting an upgrade anytime soon unless someone knows of a contract loophole. Any advice for a (relatively cheap/free) upgrade?
Also, any good way to breathe some new life into my Eris? I've tried every major ROM, not totally enjoying any other than Evil Eris (again, discontinued..). Throw out any ideas short of bricking it
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There is a Verizon buyback program thread somewhere here. Do that and see if you can get a little cash for it.
Thanks, I'll look for that.
Any other ideas?
KaosFroyo put new life in my Eris.
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There are also the Samsung galaxy s series of phones. I'm not sure of Verizon has one right now though, but from what I hear they are good phones.
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My girlfriend had an eris, I too flashed every rom I could to speed it up, no luck, so i called customer service and bugged the hell outta them telling then how horrible it was until they agreed to give me an early upgrade. Just bought her an incredible last week for 300 minus 100 mail in rebate. I went onto vzw/trade_in website and they appraised her eris for 132. So it really is only costing me 70 outta pocket for her upgrade. And ps, she says the incredible is everything she always wished her eris could be lol
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I have a question about this too, I bought my eris around the time it just came out, (not quite sure anywhere from Nov-Jan) Is their a way where I can get an early upgrade for 20$ or something? I heard their was an early upgrade you could get.
I'd suggest one of the froyo roms. Evil Eris was my first and favorite ROM for a long time and I wasn't satisfied with any other until Tazz Froyo.
The fact is... our phone is pretty weak. Software tweaks at this point will not really help us all that much unless they're absolutely major. Basically, until Android 3.0 comes out we really won't be seeing much change.
That being said, I don't suggest you upgrade. Smart phones are still in their early stages, especially android phones. In a year they'll have been taken to a whole new level. It'll be like comparing a modern PC to one 5 years ago (like an i7 to a P4) the way that things are going.
I suggest you wait it out because the longer you wait the more incredible your phone will be when you get it.
Wow, I appreciate all of the feedback.
I didn't even consider Hungry Man's idea of toughing it out for a better phone in the long run, that's a good one. High on the priority list.
@jiggaman508 -- I was wondering if complaining would actually do any good. haha.
@Stonent, Hungry man -- I grabbed KaosFroyo and have to say that it is WAY better than any other ROM I've tried. Gonna try Tazz out later tonight probably.
Thanks for the feedback! Keep the ideas rolling
I am on my 4th replacement Eris (trackball issues, and charging port issues). It's mint, and I take good care of it, so it's not that I am abusing it by any means, but my charging/usb port is on its way out. I've had to exchange 2 others because of the well known trackball issues.
So, Verizon has offered me early upgrade pricing on any phone of my choice! Question is, which one is closest to my Eris (size) and feel. When the Eris came out, I admit, I liked the way it looked, and felt compare to the Droid 1.
Of course, I rooted it, since there is no way I could stand being stuck on 2.1, with Sense. I really want the Nexus S, but I'm on Verizon, and not able to move (company phone). I would prefer the most "google" experience, but if it's an HTC phone with Sense, I can live. I'll probably just root it anyway. So, here are my requirements:
* FAST!! (After having an Eris for so long, I yearn for speed!!)
* Most Vanilla Google like
* "smaller" form factor like the Eris
* Good dev community for rooting (like the Eris)
Actually, now that I think of it, my requirement for being Vanilla, is not really a requirement, since I can always root it
Here are some of the phones I have thought about:
* DINC (but, should I go for something even faster, or wait?)
* Samsung Facinate
* Droid 2 Global (don't really like the form factor, but 1.2Ghz is nice!!)
I don't really think there is much choice. Although I am a diehard Mac OS X guy (Mostly because it's Unix), the iPhone just doesn't do it for me anymore. I like Android widgets, and the notifications too much, and the iPhone sucks at those (or doesn't have it)
Any chance of the Nexus S coming to Verizon? I like that the Nexus phones are always on the bleeding edge of Android releases, which is what I really want the most
So, what does everyone recommend? Wait? Get a new phone now? Replace the Eris for the 5th time?
Can you wait out for the vzw Thunderbolt?
Personally I would get another Eris and wait for the new phones to come out. BTW next time, post questions like this in the Q&A or General sections.
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J/K...I'd wait for the new LTE phones to come out before getting one. They just leaked that the LTE pricing will be the same 29.99 for unlimited.
dinc is too old now. almost at the end of its life and so is the droid x. Samsung has horrible support as you can see by kaos having to go over to their forums to help them get froyo and its near the end of its life. Most of the fast phones that verizon has have a EOL in march. The d2g is the same processor as the x and d2 but overclocked. i had a x for 29 days and hated it. and that thing ran all day at 1.35. If you can handle the 4.3" screen wait for the thunderbolt. My experience with the x and looking at the rest of verizons going ons has made me realize i am leaving them. I have determined that its time to move to a mobile carrier that has similar views that i do in how handsets should be ran. That is why i am switching to tmobile and getting the G2. Tmobile is owned by a german company and for some reason the Europeans seem to be more accepting of all things unix. They have a good relationship with google and they have released 4 vanilla pure android phones. no one else has released any that i can think of.
I would get the DINC but only if you can without having to use your upgrade.
Currently on my 7th one, nd verizon has yet to offer me this. Just get the iphone, much more reliable
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I'm still on my first, but I'm saving my upgrade for the Droid Bionic. And how do you go through 4-7 Eris's?!?
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I'm still on my first, but I'm saving my upgrade for the Droid Bionic. And how do you go through 4-7 Eris's?!?
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track ball going out, screen unresponsive, phone restarting randomly... i'm about to be on my third.
The build quality was very uneven on the Eris. Most of the ones people are getting now have already failed in the past and will fail again. If you're on your first one like I am (over 12 months now) count yourself lucky and just ride it out. Unless things change I'll be changing carriers after this contract is up as it is anyway.
Do the verizon trade in credit thing. Eris is worth 132 to verizon. Then buy some used phone online (I recently got a mint droid for 130, I'm pleasantly surprised by how much faster it is over the eris and has a great dev community and super easy to root and is still supported by verizon. For now) and wait till the thunderbolt, bionic, x 2, droid 3, or the Inc 2 comes out and get that and use your promo pricing
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Do the verizon trade in credit thing. Eris is worth 132 to verizon.
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not anymore, they changed it today to 32
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not anymore, they changed it today to 32
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That must be because of the iPhone? $100 drop is steep!
Get the Thunderbolt
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not anymore, they changed it today to 32
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Dangg. Whew I'm glad I did it last week haha.
Replace it with another Eris; then wait for the Thunderbolt (SVDO) or the Droid Bonic - or jump ship like me and just get an iPhone. *shrug* /2c
I only read your first post and haven't read anyone else's answers. IMHO, Either go for the Incredible or wait for the next HTC Android phone on Verizon, the Incredible's successor, whatever it will be. Shouldn't be too much longer, but I understand it's hard to be patient.
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currently on my 7th one, nd verizon has yet to offer me this. Just get the iphone, much more reliable
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boooooooo!!!!!!!!! -8974624
im keeping my eye on the bionic myself. wait it out just a little longer.
I'm in a bad mood, it looks like there won't be an official Gingerbread update for my P509. I'm now reconsidering Android in general. Read my rant here if you're interested:
Android Product Life Cycle, it's potential downfall?
Anyway, so what do you think based on specs and features, is Apple in good hands without Steve Jobs? I say yes.
It'd be cool if you could apply an avatar to Siri
2.3 is out for the Sprint version. It's ready but its t-mobiles decision when to release it. Gingerbread has been out for the international Optimus as well. For us t-mobile users we should just root and install mik's cm7 or any Rom u like. It was painless for me.
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2.3 is out for the Sprint version. It's ready but its t-mobiles decision when to release it. Gingerbread has been out for the international Optimus as well. For us t-mobile users we should just root and install mik's cm7 or any Rom u like. It was painless for me.
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LG forum mods don't believe it will be released for the Optimus T .
T-Mobile has made no promises.
The Optimus S release was so f**ked up that they pulled it on Sept. 28th
It's a mess and it ain't gonna happen.
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LG forum mods don't believe it will be released for the Optimus T .
T-Mobile has made no promises.
The Optimus S release was so f**ked up that they pulled it on Sept. 28th
It's a mess and it ain't gonna happen.
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LG promised all phones will receive a minimum of 1 version upgrade. Whether you will believe that or not idk. I'm running happy with mik's CM7 and I would never go back to stock. You should give it a shot. Stock Rom will not match the performance of this.
EDIT: I headed over to the Optimus S section on another forum and it seems ok. Some quirks and bugs, but seems usable.
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LG promised all phones will receive a minimum of 1 version upgrade. Whether you will believe that or not idk. I'm running happy with mik's CM7 and I would never go back to stock. You should give it a shot. Stock Rom will not match the performance of this.
EDIT: I headed over to the Optimus S section on another forum and it seems ok. Some quirks and bugs, but seems usable.
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As of Sept 8th US T-Mobile had not yet contacted LG to begin the process. I've done a fair bit of digging on this. I hope I'm wrong but I didn't just pull this out of my arse. It's all over the LG and US Tmo forums.
With regards to the Optimus S they wouldn't have pulled it if there weren't some serious issues.
I'm running CM7 and happy with it but I don't recall seeing a disclaimer saying "update it yourself"
P.S. The 3GS released in June of 2009 and was just updated to iOS 5, now that's service
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As of Sept 8th US T-Mobile had not yet contacted LG to begin the process. I've done a fair bit of digging on this. I hope I'm wrong but I didn't just pull this out of my arse. It's all over the LG and US Tmo forums.
With regards to the Optimus S they wouldn't have pulled it if there weren't some serious issues.
I'm running CM7 and happy with it but I don't recall seeing a disclaimer saying "update it yourself"
P.S. The 3GS released in June of 2009 and was just updated to iOS 5, now that's service
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Updates for Android are slow and it's pretty obvious. Comparing android updates to Apple is not the right thing. Apple just has to look after a few devices. Iphone 3/GS/4/4S. While there are hundreds of android devices. Even though devices are split between manufacturers like Samsung/HTC/LG they still have 10-30 devices to look after and high end devices will always be their top priority. It's a bummer, but we will just have to deal with it until Google comes up with something and they have taken this into account. They have said publicly that they know this is a major problem with Android and they are looking for ways to fix this. Lucky almost all high end phones have great developer support so we don't have to wait for the manufacturer.
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Updates for Android are slow and it's pretty obvious. Comparing android updates to Apple is not the right thing. Apple just has to look after a few devices. Iphone 3/GS/4/4S. While there are hundreds of android devices. Even though devices are split between manufacturers like Samsung/HTC/LG they still have 10-30 devices to look after and high end devices will always be their top priority. It's a bummer, but we will just have to deal with it until Google comes up with something and they have taken this into account. They have said publicly that know this is a major problem with Android and they are looking for ways to fix this. Lucky almost all high end phones have great developer support so we don't have to wait for the manufacturer.
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Google claiming ignorance as their defense, that's rich.
High end phones get great treatment, somebody file a lawsuit, please! Google will continue to drag their feet until they're forced to change. That's just how business works these days.
Anyway, here's to hoping............
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Google claiming ignorance as their defense, that's rich.
High end phones get great treatment, somebody file a lawsuit, please! Google will continue to drag their feet until they're forced to change. That's just how business works these days.
Anyway, here's to hoping............
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It's a wise decision to invest into a higher end phone. Don't expect to get the same treatment when you got a lower end device because sadly things don't work that way. Phones like the Optimus/Galaxy Ace/Mini/Gio are pretty much not even budget phones anymore. They are at the bottom of the bottom. The mid-range phones now are the low end phones now. Things are shifting and it would be a waste of time for them to get in the trouble of working on a phone that is obsolete.
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2.3 is out for the Sprint version. It's ready but its t-mobiles decision when to release it. Gingerbread has been out for the international Optimus as well. For us t-mobile users we should just root and install mik's cm7 or any Rom u like. It was painless for me.
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I've install different roms, on my Optimus T and i have the same issues with all of them, the MMS come to small and i refuse to use the GO sms app so i'm stuck on stock! was really hopping on the Gingerbread version!
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Google claiming ignorance as their defense, that's rich.
High end phones get great treatment, somebody file a lawsuit, please! Google will continue to drag their feet until they're forced to change. That's just how business works these days.
Anyway, here's to hoping............
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Anyway, why bother waiting for LG stock ****, LG gingerbread really crap on Optimus One, with so many bugs.
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Anyway, why bother waiting for LG stock ****, LG gingerbread really crap on Optimus One, with so many bugs.
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I agree my point exactly. Where's the QC? Google cashed in by not holding it's partners responsible. They had the power to do it right, and CHOSE not to. This isn't an accident.
Us XDA members will work it out but the other 90% of users are staring at a ****ty phone, saying "I think I'll by an iPhone next time". I've heard way too many times from noob friends of mine. In fact, I don't even recommend Android to friends anymore.
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I agree my point exactly. Where's the QC? Google cashed in by not holding it's partners responsible. They had the power to do it right, and CHOSE not to. This isn't an accident.
Us XDA members will work it out but the other 90% of users are staring at a ****ty phone, saying "I think I'll by an iPhone next time". I've heard way too many times from noob friends of mine. In fact, I don't even recommend Android to friends anymore.
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You don't have to buy LG if your not satisfied with their products and their quality. In the end, if you buy a low end phone you get what you paid for. TBH This phone without the great developers we have would be a POS.
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You don't have to buy LG if your not satisfied with their products and their quality. In the end, if you buy a low end phone you get what you paid for.
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You clearly didn't read the link in my first post did you? It's an OS and updates include security patches. These are necessary not optional! IMO my 2 year contract has been breached by TMO LG or Google (let the lawyers figure it out)
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TBH This phone without the great developers we have would be a POS.
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Amen but it's not just this phone it's ALOT of them.
no, thanks
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Us XDA members will work it out but the other 90% of users are staring at a ****ty phone, saying "I think I'll by an iPhone next time". I've heard way too many times from noob friends of mine. In fact, I don't even recommend Android to friends anymore.
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You're making me laugh.
Let me see, you're comparing Android on a $200 max phone with an iPhone? A low-end phone will never provide the real Android experience.
I was looking at my O1 and I said "I think I'll buy a better droid next time, this one is just offering me a small taste of what Android can do". So I did; I bought a better, dual-core, 4.3" phone. Trust me, daily use of Android on a premium phone can't be compared to daily use on a cheap one.
So don't compare your O1 to an iPhone. Try and compare a GS2, Arc S, Sensation, Droid Bionic, Nexus etc to an iPhone and then see if the iPhone's really worth it.
might get it
or stick to android
off course buy high end android phone
such like not sgs 2, sensation / sensation xe / evo 3d and other
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I don't understand people comparing a $200- old phone to a $700+ fresh-tech phone...
From my point of view iPhone and all other closed phones may rests on the shelves forever, coz are too performance/price unbalanced.
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I don't understand people comparing a $200- old phone to a $700+ fresh-tech phone...
From my point of view iPhone and all other closed phones may rests on the shelves forever, coz are too performance/price unbalanced.
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Hardware and Software are different.
What's so hard to understand about wanting a well defined Product LifeCycle?
Buy a $300 Windows Home Laptop and buy a $2000 Windows Professional despktop. The SOFTWARE Product Lifecycle is the same.
No wonder Google is dragging it's feet with regards to this fragmentation. It's customers have been brainwashed. I thought Android users were supposed to be the smart ones... do yourselves a favor and THINK.
P.S. a iPhone 4S is $99 with contract in the US.
**EDIT**
I went down to the Apple Store this morning and played with one... It's pretty nice. I'm not getting one, I'm just pissed at Google (we all should be).
Hello,
As a former HTC EVO3D Owner from the "First to Buy" opportunity in June before Sprint sold their soul to get the iPhone and before that an EVO 4G, I gotta say I absolutely am blown away by the Photon. I was quite intrigued by it when it was released, but Sprint staggered the release so that it was past 30 Days between when the 2 Phones were released.
I had so many issues with my 3D that I literally had 4 Replacement Handsets sent. I was finally so fed up that I told them either give me a Photon or I am cancelling.
The one thing I did not want to do is give up my last Annual Upgrade which they offered to move up if I paid $55 due to LTE coming and actually having a real chance of Nationwide availability.
Back to the Photon, while it took about 45 minutes to get used to the UI, I am really liking this phone more and more each day. And the Speaker is absurdly better than the one in the 3D. As in I can finally hear Netflix and all the Music on my Phone.
While I hope there is an official ICS Release, there are obviously ways around it. Moreover, with the vastly better Call Quality, Speaker, and just how much better it works in low signal strength areas, I am pretty much positive I will be getting whatever Motorola LTE device that comes out around June. Hopefully, it will be similar to the Razr.
It is weird, I have been with Sprint since 1999 and one of my all time favorite Phones was the StarTac I had around a decade ago. Unfortunately, my ex GF's Dog took it and digged a hole in the Yard. (found years later) Since then, there have been very few Motorola Handsets. I can only hope Sprint maintains at least cordial relations with Moto.
Cheers,
JJ
Welcome dude! You think its fast now, try unlocking and running CM7/CM9(ics) it will blow your mind. I'm pretty sure it's getting an official ICS update but the ics build we have now is phenomenal even at alpha stage.
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Welcome dude! You think its fast now, try unlocking and running CM7/CM9(ics) it will blow your mind. I'm pretty sure it's getting an official ICS update but the ics build we have now is phenomenal even at alpha stage.
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Hello,
Thanx for the welcome. I am planning on Rooting and running CM7 this Weekend.
Cheers,
JJ
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Hello,
Thanx for the welcome. I am planning on Rooting and running CM7 this Weekend.
Cheers,
JJ
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Ive been switching between CM7 and CM9 back and forth but CM7 is my daily driver. ICS is coming along nicely I must say. Don't forget you lose 4G when you unlock your device
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Ive been switching between CM7 and CM9 back and forth but CM7 is my daily driver. ICS is coming along nicely I must say. Don't forget you lose 4G when you unlock your device
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Welcome! Hang out! I'm rooted, but not unlocked. Funny Kenny, I had my Evo for a year, I got Photon August 2nd 2011. I have used 4G EXACTLY 3 times!!!
Hello,
My most sincerest thanks again for the warm welcome. I have been with Sprint since 1999 and must say this is my favorite Handset by a Country Mile. Next comes Rooting and all that fun stuff.
I also love that when using ADW EX that the Motorola Widgets are available whereas the HTC Sense Widgets are not. And the difference with 4G staying connected is amazing. I was in Tampa/St. Pete today and the Photon never dropped Wimax whereas the 3D constantly did.
Cheers,
J
I am also coming from the evo 3d, I've had the photon for about a week now and it is really a great phone there are only a few things o don't like but can deal with it
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I am also coming from the evo 3d, I've had the photon for about a week now and it is really a great phone there are only a few things o don't like but can deal with it
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Out of curiosity, what don't you like about it?
Not to hijack but I'm totally opposite OP. Coming from Evo4g I think the Photon is a POS...I've had 3 replacements (reboot issues) and the 3rd still has trouble...mind you, all my issues are in heavy roam/no signal areas which I believe to be the factor but these probs didn't exist for my evo.
However, I recently flashed jokers cm9/ics and can vouch for Kenny's claims...this rom is sick as hell and so far my phone feels like a new unit. No crashes or issues yet in my roaming state, I can only cross my fingers at this point.
I'll likely jump ship if the Nexus hits anytime soon.
@cclarck, nothing personal, but do you think maybe it's you? you stated you flashed it, maybe your area does not like your radio? You also stated roaming?
Just saying. I have been reading for @ week on the Nexus, not impressed at all. (and if you have problems with Photon, good luck with the Samsung!)
Me specifically? No I don't believe so...now my photon in relation to my area...yes most likely. As you can see I'm a lurker but I have quite a bit of experience trying new roms/kernels on all my phones but the Photon has been nothing but frustrations to this point. That being said, it's not like there was a disclaimer on the Photon when I upgraded saying that it's radio would be complete sh!t compared to my evo while roaming, all while causing shutdowns requiring a battery pull/plugin.
I'd like to reinforce that cm9/ics so far is phenomenal, but 2 days soak is hardly extensive testing yet...
edit: Oh and I am certainly very scared to go to a Sammy, I think their build quality is the worst and I hate the plastic feel. My main reason for jumping aside from my photon history is wanting that huge screen; and I like the nex over the touch. Sprint needs more phones =(
If you want a huge screen skip the galaxy nexus and wait for the galaxy note. Sprint's definitely getting and that screen is even bigger. If you don't know what the galaxy note is check this out....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfMmMrUwRnI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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If you want a huge screen skip the galaxy nexus and wait for the galaxy note. Sprint's definitely getting and that screen is even bigger. If you don't know what the galaxy note is check this out....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfMmMrUwRnI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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I'm not a fan of Samsung, but that will make this brother walk the plank and see ya!!
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I'm not a fan of Samsung, but that will make this brother walk the plank and see ya!!
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Yeah I don't like sammy either but this phone looks cool. I'm not going to get it as my contract expires this Feb. I may move my 2 lines somewhere else don't know yet. Sprints future looks promising with lte and all the hot devices launching but I simply can't wait till 2013 lol. I want to go back to gsm so I can swap sim cards as I please lol. God I hate cdma! I'm thinking att, definitely not t-mobile I worked there previously for almost 4 years. (I hate those bastards)
I've had att and never ever again, I've been through every carrier and they were the most frustrating with dropped calls and such. Unfortunately, my area is predominately Verizon but I missed the grandfathered data so no thanks to that too.
I dunno, every phone has it's fan base that disses on other brands and what-not so I get it. I haven't had Sammy experience since the Incredibad so maybe their build quality is better than I give credit...I def see a love/hate for every brand though, not just sammy.
I was in love with my photon when I first had it, even ignoring all the launch issues and replacements but it all eventually wore me down to never wanting a moto again =(
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Yeah I don't like sammy either but this phone looks cool. I'm not going to get it as my contract expires this Feb. I may move my 2 lines somewhere else don't know yet. Sprints future looks promising with lte and all the hot devices launching but I simply can't wait till 2013 lol. I want to go back to gsm so I can swap sim cards as I please lol. God I hate cdma! I'm thinking att, definitely not t-mobile I worked there previously for almost 4 years. (I hate those bastards)
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Oh I'm gonna get it, day one, full price!!! I just hope they drop it before summer!! And it may be GSM/CDMA, who knows. @ the poster before me, yes all phones have their good and bad and you have individuals that talk negative about other phones, but each phone I look up, EVERYONE has a negative comment on Sammy's radios!! EVERYONE!!
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I've had att and never ever again, I've been through every carrier and they were the most frustrating with dropped calls and such. Unfortunately, my area is predominately Verizon but I missed the grandfathered data so no thanks to that too.
I dunno, every phone has it's fan base that disses on other brands and what-not so I get it. I haven't had Sammy experience since the Incredibad so maybe their build quality is better than I give credit...I def see a love/hate for every brand though, not just sammy.
I was in love with my photon when I first had it, even ignoring all the launch issues and replacements but it all eventually wore me down to never wanting a moto again =(
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Perhaps you may want to look into this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1211157
It's a bit of a pain to set up at first but once you do it's worth it. My calls drop all the time in my apartment with Sprint, but not at all using a Verizon PRL.
There's a danger of roaming too much and getting noticed by Sprint, but for most people it seems to take 3+ months for Sprint to notice, and even then you'll more than likely receive a warning letter first.
I've been using this over over 6 months and I've gotten 1 warning letter but when I inquired about it with a Sprint chat rep, he said I was not in danger of being cut.
So YMVM, but it'd help at least short-term.
Hello,
For some reason, I cannot stand Samsung. This extends to their TV's and other Home Theater Components. I am a Moderator on a Moderator on a AV Forum with close to 100,000 Members and find it hard to recommend them.
For whatever reason, I lump them in with Hyundai (I must say they have made huge strides over the past years since the $3,999 Hyundai Excel) Regardless, I tend to prefer the Japanese and American Companies. I know everything is manufactured in China or Malaysia.
Cheers,
JJ
I am ALSO Rooted but NOT Unlocked. My area is Saturated with 4G and I use it ALOT. I have Unlimited Mobile Hotspot (GrandFathered in since I have been a customer since 1997) and use it on my Samsung Galaxy Player5.0 and HTC EVO View 4G (while out and about). I only use WiFi on the HTC EVO View (Did Not want ANOTHER Data Contract) and just Tether to my Photon.
Hey guys, I currently have the Epic 4G Touch with Sprint but there is a good chance that I might jump ship and come over to AT&T. If I do, the GS2 would most likely be the phone I will get. It's gonna be tough working with such a tiny screen (lol!) but I'm sure I'll get used to it. Don't want the Skyrocket because it doesn't have an Exynos in it and the HSPA+ should be plenty fast for my needs.
Anyway, all Android phones come with their fair share of problems out of the box, what am I going to have to deal with if I get the SGS2? Any radio issues? Battery problems? Screen problems? How does AT&T handle tethering? I heard about them catching people and changing them to a hotspot plan, is that true? Also, does AT&T still block app sideloading?
I plan on rooting but remaining on the stock ROM, assuming it's as good as the Epic Touch's stock ROM. Just gonna debloat the crap out of it and use Autostarts to keep everything under control. Should I go ahead and assume that rooting it is fairly easy?
Also, how is AT&Ts customer service to work with? I have been with Sprint for many years and have gotten manipulating them down to a science. I always get the latest and greatest phones, and never have to pay more than the subsidized price. I'm kinda nervous about switching because I'm worried I won't be able to pull that crap with AT&T.
Thanks in advance for your responses.
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Hey guys, I currently have the Epic 4G Touch with Sprint but there is a good chance that I might jump ship and come over to AT&T. If I do, the GS2 would most likely be the phone I will get. It's gonna be tough working with such a tiny screen (lol!) but I'm sure I'll get used to it. Don't want the Skyrocket because it doesn't have an Exynos in it and the HSPA+ should be plenty fast for my needs.
Anyway, all Android phones come with their fair share of problems out of the box, what am I going to have to deal with if I get the SGS2? Any radio issues? Battery problems? Screen problems? How does AT&T handle tethering? I heard about them catching people and changing them to a hotspot plan, is that true? Also, does AT&T still block app sideloading?
I plan on rooting but remaining on the stock ROM, assuming it's as good as the Epic Touch's stock ROM. Just gonna debloat the crap out of it and use Autostarts to keep everything under control. Should I go ahead and assume that rooting it is fairly easy?
Also, how is AT&Ts customer service to work with? I have been with Sprint for many years and have gotten manipulating them down to a science. I always get the latest and greatest phones, and never have to pay more than the subsidized price. I'm kinda nervous about switching because I'm worried I won't be able to pull that crap with AT&T.
Thanks in advance for your responses.
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We have several threads all new and recently posted in that will answer your questions.
AT&T customer service.
Good threads to read so as not to get problems. 1, 2, 3, 4.
The FAQ in General is always a good place to start reading rather than posting.
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The FAQ in General is always a good place to start reading rather than posting.
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Trust me, I've already read through a whole bunch of crap. I am just looking for some personal experiences here without having to read through page after page of meaningless drivel just to find a few simple answers.
only downside i can think of is if you drop it from the 10th floor the screen will crack... and it doesnt seem to work well in the pool.
It is a great device, only complaint i have is the non HD screen. If you are coming from a phone with high res like a iphone you will notice. If you arent coming from a high res phone you will never notice
You might have more issues with AT&T than the phone. Overall its a great phone with lots of dev support. there's a reason why AT&T is always at the bottom of the Lissy when out comes to customer services.
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Most of the issues can be found by searching.
Hardware issues: Some people have had issues with the USB port breaking. Not common, but it seems that 90% of hardware failures are this.
The AP Mobile widget in UCKH7 will eat your data. If you're here I assume you'll be rooting - so not a problem for you. Kill it with fire and you're good.
The OTA update (UCKK6) sucks infected donkey balls. Lots of battery issues. Again - easy to avoid if you're here.
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Trust me, I've already read through a whole bunch of crap. I am just looking for some personal experiences here without having to read through page after page of meaningless drivel just to find a few simple answers.
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Well, this forum is real big on self-service and not rewarding people for being too lazy to do their own research. Just sayin'.
Love the sgs2
Would buy the international version for more support than att
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Hey guys, I currently have the Epic 4G Touch with Sprint but there is a good chance that I might jump ship and come over to AT&T. If I do, the GS2 would most likely be the phone I will get. It's gonna be tough working with such a tiny screen (lol!) but I'm sure I'll get used to it. Don't want the Skyrocket because it doesn't have an Exynos in it and the HSPA+ should be plenty fast for my needs.
Anyway, all Android phones come with their fair share of problems out of the box, what am I going to have to deal with if I get the SGS2? Any radio issues? Battery problems? Screen problems? How does AT&T handle tethering? I heard about them catching people and changing them to a hotspot plan, is that true? Also, does AT&T still block app sideloading?
I plan on rooting but remaining on the stock ROM, assuming it's as good as the Epic Touch's stock ROM. Just gonna debloat the crap out of it and use Autostarts to keep everything under control. Should I go ahead and assume that rooting it is fairly easy?
Also, how is AT&Ts customer service to work with? I have been with Sprint for many years and have gotten manipulating them down to a science. I always get the latest and greatest phones, and never have to pay more than the subsidized price. I'm kinda nervous about switching because I'm worried I won't be able to pull that crap with AT&T.
Thanks in advance for your responses.
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You wouldn't happen to be a member of the facebook page "android task force" would you? That profile picture looks really familiar
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You wouldn't happen to be a member of the facebook page "android task force" would you? That profile picture looks really familiar
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Ha! I post there from time to time! I was one of the Android Source admins before it merged with Android Task Force. Haven't used this profile pic on FB for a while now so you've got some good memory.
Hardware = USB problems with the connection port. Blotchy screen on dark blacks in a dark room. Not noticeable until then. It's a side-effect of SAMOLED screens. Burn-in most I can figure. These two problems are fairly rare (on this forum, I'd say 1 out of maybe 15 people complain of one or the other hardware issues).
Software: let's face it - 2.3.6 sucks. The update broke bluetooth HID devices, meaning no bluetooth keyboard or mouse. Occasional reports of wifi breaking, but that's due to the retards who never read and flash willy nilly from our sister forum and phone, the international GS2 without using the development tool Hellraiser. So, be educated man. If you don't read, you will end up ****ing your phone over, and then if you whine about it (which inevitably happens every time someone who doesn't read screws their phone up), prepare to be flamed. At that point you piss everyone who's seen your same thread or situation a hundred times from people who didn't search and read.
There are reports of battery drain issues due to 2.3.6 as well. Some of these are from programs, but if you're an Android user already, you know to kill and save RAM. I've had occasional reboots from when I pushed my phone hard, but nothing of diminishing value.
AT&T Service: Customer service sucks, so I hear. But they've always worked with me. I got them to unlock multiple phones in the past, I was grandfathered in to unlimited, and they've let me skirt waiting periods on my next update. I suppose if you're a new customer it might be different. I wouldn't know. Their service as far as phone calls and data? It ain't the best. To be honest, I don't get many dropped calls per week, but I know I get enough to remember that I get dropped calls weekly. Data can be spotty at times, but overall, in Orlando, it's fast.
My Review: moving from any other phone to this one is like being born again. You believe in technology again. Alright, so it ain't that much of a spiritual experience, but lemme tell you - this phone is fast. Yet, if you want the latest and greatest from Android, specifically 4.0.3, I'd pass on this phone. We will probably get it. Maybe. Our devs will work to make it happen, but sadly I doubt it will be an official update.
If you want solid hardware and a reliable phone however and don't mind gingerbread, this is the phone for you. It is fast, well-built, and has good battery life from my experience. I use it heavily for everything, and i get nearly 14-18 hours of heavy use (phone calls, texts, music, videos, downloads, web-surfing).
4.5 out of 5 stars for this phone from me.
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Thanks for taking the time to type all that out autonomous, thats the type of response I was looking for. I am coming from Sprint's SGS2 variant so I'm well aware of how badass these phones are. I could care less about ICS, I had the Galaxy Nexus for a few weeks and returned it because I like the SGS2 + 2.3 + TouchWiz better. I'm probably gonna go to Costco over the weekend and pick it up to try it out and see how AT&Ts service in my are is.
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Thanks for taking the time to type all that out autonomous, thats the type of response I was looking for. I am coming from Sprint's SGS2 variant so I'm well aware of how badass these phones are. I could care less about ICS, I had the Galaxy Nexus for a few weeks and returned it because I like the SGS2 + 2.3 + TouchWiz better. I'm probably gonna go to Costco over the weekend and pick it up to try it out and see how AT&Ts service in my are is.
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Sprint and AT&T are in the same family with their Exynos chipset, which I'm sure you're aware of. The difference is that we are closer in relation to international. No WiMax chipset in ours, so easier porting.
AT&T is a fairly good provider. Service is decent, even out in the country, but it doesn't make you say "Man, Ma Bell is great about their connectivity everywhere."
While I told you we probably won't get an official Ice Cream update we WILL get one in one shape or form. 2.3.6 problems can be avoided by Hellraising a 2.3.4, 2.3.7 or 2.3.5 ROM. So if you want to avoid battery drain issues and use your bluetooth keyboard or mouse, you have your choices.
Bottom line brother, is with this phone you have options. We have devs, and tools that give you many options. If you're asking me if you should make the jump, I'd have to ask why, because WiMax with Exynos seems like a good setup, but if it's for a sensible reason, you could do worse than Ma Bell. If it's assurance you want, yes, this is and will be a good phone for quite a while. Yes, AT&T is decent, and yes, you will be fairly satisfied.
As a disclaimer, every experience is different, so I suggest you either look around this forum and make your mind that way, or bite the bullet and don't look back by moving to AT&T blindly, and go for the shortest contract you can.
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My first I777 overheated while charging. And now my second one has a buzzing in the earpiece. Good specs and I love the TouchWiz UI. Maybe Im just unlucky but it seems the hardware in this phone has issues.
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Ha! I post there from time to time! I was one of the Android Source admins before it merged with Android Task Force. Haven't used this profile pic on FB for a while now so you've got some good memory.
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Lol yeah brad right? Had the evolution, then the 3d which I know you hated
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While I told you we probably won't get an official Ice Cream update we WILL get one in one shape or form. 2.3.6 problems can be avoided by Hellraising a 2.3.4, 2.3.7 or 2.3.5 ROM. So if you want to avoid battery drain issues and use your bluetooth keyboard or mouse, you have your choices.
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Incorrect, it has nothing to do with 2.3.6, there's no 2.3.7 Samsung roms either. It's at&t's UCKK6 build, international 2.3.6 roms aren't plagued by the issues
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Incorrect, it has nothing to do with 2.3.6, there's no 2.3.7 Samsung roms either. It's at&t's UCKK6 build, international 2.3.6 roms aren't plagued by the issues
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I've heard it both ways.
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autonomous-inc said:
I've heard it both ways.
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Well whoever told you it was 2.3.6 was incorrect, I'm running ICScrewD which is based on KL1(2.3.6) and there are no issues with it at all
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Lol yeah brad right? Had the evolution, then the 3d which I know you hated
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Damn, my secret online identity has been blown lol
Nick281051 said:
Well whoever told you it was 2.3.6 was incorrect, I'm running ICScrewD which is based on KL1(2.3.6) and there are no issues with it at all
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Yeah, I'm running 2.3.6 on my Epic Touch and it;s beautiful. Battery lasts forever, no glitches or bugs. Must be the specific AT&T build.
You guys get samfirmware leaks all the time like we do?