Dont mean to be an ass but what in the world is with the 8 different types of mdeejay builds. I honestly think they are cluttering up the forums and just causing confusion for me at least. When I looked through the different types they all seemed to be around the same stage of development. Can all of these get consolidated with better explanations?
Based on different roms, Desire HD, Desire Z etc
Full hogwash!
Krazy_Calvin said:
Dont mean to be an ass but what in the world is with the 8 different types of mdeejay builds. I honestly think they are cluttering up the forums and just causing confusion for me at least. When I looked through the different types they all seemed to be around the same stage of development. Can all of these get consolidated with better explanations?
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Because he is trying to figure out which build is better to continue development with. Which is awesome, and what is NOT awesome is people like you that put there foot in there mouth talking about clogging the forums, at least his threads are useful. Yours is useless.
Somebody please list the differences between them beside the name
Thank you.
They're all android 2.2, they all have essentially the same kernel, they just have slightly differing versions of sense. So yeah, um...
I think the better topic for this thread would have been 'What are some of the primary differences people are seeing between the different builds mdeejay is working on'. Let's not bash the fact that mdeejay is doing something pretty un precedented on any device, developing 5 builds simultaneously!
They are each based on different roms and most have the same things functioning/not functioning (ie. gsensor yes, camera no) but I'll admit I was a little overwhelmed shuffling through the many pages on each thread. I really want to try one of his builds because I've read a lot of great things about them but I can't decide which one to use . I don't like switching back and forth too much because I need a stable build day to day and don't have much time to do a lot of trial and error, so I depend on helpful xda'ers and their reviews.
So, OP, maybe change the tone of your post to poll the pros/cons of each build for those that have been able to try several of them out.
Thanks!
WTF!
Krazy_Calvin said:
Dont mean to be an ass but what in the world is with the 8 different types of mdeejay builds. I honestly think they are cluttering up the forums and just causing confusion for me at least. When I looked through the different types they all seemed to be around the same stage of development. Can all of these get consolidated with better explanations?
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OMG shut your FACE I hate to add to this stupid thread but OP if you read anything other than just looking at the thread that says mdeejay you would know one is evo one is desire hd one is z one is lexicon they are all different builds so shut up and enjoy! Sorry but your question is stupid LOOK and you will see the difference. MDEEJAY keep rolling them out i cant get enough we will find a PERFECT stable build with everything working but we need to work together! I personally like the desire hd builds and the evo they seem to be smoother.
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Because he is trying to figure out which build is better to continue development with. Which is awesome, and what is NOT awesome is people like you that put there foot in there mouth talking about clogging the forums, at least his threads are useful. Yours is useless.
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i agree with u ....
is the same of the same
maybe in last build he changeg kernel... maybe some better than others
An ass! That's exactly what you are!! Mdeejay is doing all of this without even a donate link. I have certainly tested all his builds and currently have 2 running. So u may not, but most find his builds and the options they offer useful. So please STFU if you are not going to contribute anything useful to the forum.
Krazy_Calvin said:
Dont mean to be an ass but what in the world is with the 8 different types of mdeejay builds. I honestly think they are cluttering up the forums and just causing confusion for me at least. When I looked through the different types they all seemed to be around the same stage of development. Can all of these get consolidated with better explanations?
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instead of being a ****, read the posts.
they are each based off of different HTC devices. with slightly different versions of their ROM.
for example the DesireHD and the DesireZ are two new phones coming out.
if you follow android phones, you would know this. since you dont know this i assume you are just here for sport. so sell your HD2 and buy an iFone
Mdeejay is doing an outstanding job
and haters..get the F*** lost.
I only to thank to mr mdeejay for hard work that we can try day by day on our h2d. Is with person like Mdeejay and the other devs that will be as soon a stable and definitive android on hd2. Person that lost their sleep only to give us news builds day by day.... So, i want to thank again this man... And sorry for my english..
STOP.
first off i am not to found of mdeejay but the guy is doing the job no one else is doing , so to OP , i think you can find something else or somewhere else to clutter the forums not here ...so i will give respect where its due and mdeejay gets respect from me so ..back off
Hopefully Captain Mdeejay will ignore this perp... he is probably jealous
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I find it UNBELIEVABLE that some people still find something to complain about.
Mdeejay has given up his spare time to create something for the community, "FOR FREE", so that they can use something they are not entitled to use on their devices and still they are not happy.
Really, it is Unbelievable.
"KRAZY"
Krazy_Calvin said:
Dont mean to be an ass but what in the world is with the 8 different types of mdeejay builds. I honestly think they are cluttering up the forums and just causing confusion for me at least. When I looked through the different types they all seemed to be around the same stage of development. Can all of these get consolidated with better explanations?
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the name explains everything "KRAZY"
what KRAZY things people say....
The OP has a point - Mdeejay's builds are confusing with so many of them and all of them offering the exact same functions. It would be nice to see a spreadsheet or something that higlights what the differences are.
On the other hand Mdeejay does put alot of time into his builds and updates them far more often than any other chef. I think if the OP had just used a nicer tone his post would not have been out of line at all.
Most of them are based off other phones too,like the Z is based off the G2
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I just saw that people are arguing on different rom threads and saying oh yours is better since you made this first but I tweaked it. (I mean no disrepect in that comment.)
Point being here is a interesting thing I thought of just to see what anyone else thought of. We have four main froyo roms Tazz, Kaos, Sheds and Conaps.
If people are fighting over whos to choose I was thinking maybe the four of them should make a combined rom since everything they use to build them is a combined effort anyway. I just personally think it would be interesting to see what they all would contribute and it would be the best rom all around due to it has everyones input. Its nice how they all are unique by themselves but it would be awesome to have them all mashed together if that makes sense. It would be fast, stable, and could probably even be updated more due to whomever had more time would be able to work on it.
I am not posting this to make people mad or to say one rom is better than the other I just think it would be rather neat to have one huge awesome rom to choose from. I know it would probably never happen but its a interesting thought.
I do not mean any disrespect or harm in this post either. I just figured maybe it would cause less arguments.
I just wanted to share an idea I had. What do you all think? Negative or positive.
sounds cool they all do seem to work together enough, lending each other things and being really quite friendly to each other on their posts. to have them together on a test ROM would be cool but i think they all have their individual ideas that keep them just different enough to make everyone happy no matter what their style i'm using Nonsensikal 16.1 now but i'm about to switch to Tazz... i'm not sure Vanilla or Gingerbread... overall though lol yeah i think that would be a great idea!! sorry i rant >< xD!
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I just wanted to share an idea I had. What do you all think? Negative or positive.
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Having things in public view surely makes "who did what first" a non-argument - because one merely needs to look at the commits to find out who did what when.
As a reminder, devs who work on AOSP ROMs are under a GPL obligation to release their sources.
Without a doubt though, asking that cooks/devs publicly document their trickery increases their workload (in addition to build & test, add some "documentation" tasks) - so, the trade off might be better documentation - but fewer ROM updates per developer.
It is possible that having more information available about methods which are Eris hardware specific might encourage more people to participate in ROM "porting" activities, e.g. hacking of backlights, notification delivery, gps/sensor, and "pre-built" library requirements.
It is my impression that devs have shared some of this informally in private communications/IRC, but you would be hard-pressed to find explanations or mini-tutorials on most of these topics here on XDA (Eris) forums. That makes it more challenging for any would-be "ROM porting developer" - because they must re-invent those same wheels from scratch, or go begging to devs that have worked through those issues before. The latter certainly won't happen if they view the devs as combative or secretive.
I would suggest that if you can gain any traction with the devs on this, the baseline ROM should be AOSP - that way the GPL disclosure requirements align well with the benefit of making information readily available. (Perhaps never in the form of tutorials, but at least in the form of public source code).
bftb0
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Its nice how they all are unique by themselves but it would be awesome to have them all mashed together if that makes sense.
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Well a lot of people don't like Sense UI so... But I think it could be a good idea. It's just hard to have to download the latest and greatest version anytime a dev wants to make a change, and two could never change it at the same time unless they were like teamviewing or something.
Yes it is hard having to switch versions everytime they make improvements & I didnt mean the sense ui. I meant i hoped the sentence made sense. Meaning all the newer froyo non sense roms rolled into one. Sorry for any confusion.
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I think Tenzo and Tazz have slowed down some of their development until they can get some common problems worked out.
Well well well....we asked for S-off/root and we got it. Within hours the ROMs flooded the dev page.
I loved this phone from the minute I got it. ROMs are making it better. CM7 and MIUI are coming at which point I will probably run around my neighborhood in my skivvies screaming about it.
I have one gripe though. Why are there SOOOO many ROMs? I know everyone wants to get their hands dirty at doing dev work. It makes you the cool kid on the block, and there's a good chance that if you put one on XDA, CheesyNutz will flash it at least once.
I feel like the ROMs are too hard to choose from because most of them are similar, with some being almost exactly the same with minor differences.
This is what I propose. First of all, maybe someone with more ambition than me (read: anyone) could put together a comparison chart of all the ROMs based on the features they have. Using that data, maybe some of the devs that have similar direction/are trying to achieve the same thing can collaborate.
The way I see it, there will be less confusion on the development page, with better ROMs that have more options.
TL;DR - Devs need to collab. on ROMs to reduce clutter and improve ROMs
Oh God. You're not seriously *****ing about too many choices are you?
there is an insane amount of roms, lol most of them offer alot of the same things..but I say, the more roms...THE BETTER!!!!!
Variety is the spice of life...
So you complain about having to look through the ROMs that people develop for your phone (for free) you want a chart made with all the comparisons of those free ROMs but you want somebody else to do it for you? What's wrong with this picture?
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So you complain about having to look through the ROMs that people develop for your phone (for free) you want a chart made with all the comparisons of those free ROMs but you want somebody else to do it for you? What's wrong with this picture?
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This. +1.
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OP I think you should give your EVO 3D to somebody on XDA and go get yourself an iPhone.
playslikepage71 said:
Well well well....we asked for S-off/root and we got it. Within hours the ROMs flooded the dev page.
I loved this phone from the minute I got it. ROMs are making it better. CM7 and MIUI are coming at which point I will probably run around my neighborhood in my skivvies screaming about it.
I have one gripe though. Why are there SOOOO many ROMs? I know everyone wants to get their hands dirty at doing dev work. It makes you the cool kid on the block, and there's a good chance that if you put one on XDA, CheesyNutz will flash it at least once.
I feel like the ROMs are too hard to choose from because most of them are similar, with some being almost exactly the same with minor differences.
This is what I propose. First of all, maybe someone with more ambition than me (read: anyone) could put together a comparison chart of all the ROMs based on the features they have. Using that data, maybe some of the devs that have similar direction/are trying to achieve the same thing can collaborate.
The way I see it, there will be less confusion on the development page, with better ROMs that have more options.
TL;DR - Devs need to collab. on ROMs to reduce clutter and improve ROMs
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Yeah i dont think people have more ambition than you since no one else is complainin' lol
The more devs on our device the better.
you gotta remember for a lot of the devs what there releasing now is really just a base for what they will be doing as things progress. over time you will start to see every devs individual preferences start to show along with the themes and all the eye candy some devs like.
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The more devs on our device the better.
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right..i just came from the galaxy s 4g on tmobile, and there was literally like 2 roms over there..lol
that's usually what android development is for, to share one another their custom made rom, so no i dont think there are many roms yet, so bring it on!!!
You know what?. people like the OP disgust me. ya Commie..
I bet you think we should all just be happy with 1 ROM to use don'tcha Ruskie?!
Think it's totally ok for us all to just stand in line and wait for our daily allowance of bread, Comrade!?
HUH?!
THIS IS 'MURICA AND WE DON'T TAKE KINDLY TO YOUR TYPE 'ROUND THESE HERE PARTS!!
AAnnyways, I can see your point of view. There are several roms that seem the same right now. it's been barely a week since S-off and it's a very good sign that everyone is wanting to make ROM's, once everyone has their bases done we will see differences pop up, custom themes, ingenious tweaks, etc. Give it some time. The 3D scene is still young.
seriously????....
Im fixin to post my set up soon, so get ready for a phatman ROM. That's one more to the list. Probably the best one ever too.
B l a s p h e m y ! ! !
The more ROMS the Merryer
Theres too many moneys in my wallet gotta be a bad thing
Can't wait phatman it will be the slowest most bloated rom ever
If you don't have an Evo3d well... You ain't got ****e
get bent new guy
I can agree with the OP to an extent. For me, seeing the Dev forum say [ROM] after [ROM] after [ROM] is a bit overwhelming for me. But, it's just like any other free market. You're confronted with 40 brands of hot sauce, and damn, that's a lot, but you try one, see how it is, and choose based on that. The bonus of all of these ROMs is that A), they're available online, so you don't have to drive to the store, and B), they're free.
Just my 2 fiat cents.
I notice a lot of members are quick to jump to conclusions without anything to back it up.
Negative comments like "Dude, never gonna happen" are discouraging to the community and developers. Yes some people like to prove these people wrong, but to say that something will never happen is wrong in my eyes.
Examples of this would be the recent VMWare thread and the nexus app dump in the dev section
Developers work hard daily to make sure our phones are running smoothly with the latest firmware and software. and to say it won't happen is wrong unless you have solid facts to back up your claim...
Rant over
I know what you mean, and to a point agree.
From the other perspective, we've been talking about ICS here for at least a month now. Now you'll find about 10 threads saying are
we getting ICS???
we getting ICS???
we getting ICS???
we getting ICS???
That question has been answered 50 times. But more threads will come up. It's been discussed extensively already. People say search before making a new (repeat) of an existing thread, and anyway, when you post a new thread, it shows you similar ones...so WHY???! That gets my goat.....
Yes, a lot of people are wanting ICS. At the moment i'm not holding my breath for a ICS rom to be release. I have a rough idea of when we may see ICS to older phones such as the x10 & xperia ranges. I don't think we will be seeing ICS roms for at least another 2/3 months.
Developers have lives that come first, but for people to say ICS will never come to our phone is wrong, because even the top end phones like the Galaxy S2 haven't got a ICS rom yet. So why are people so quick to say we won't get it at all?
Well in vmware thread it wasn't a thread to discourage anyone! It was a research I made about trying to support virtualisation over android phones and I wanted to share it and try to progress in it! So please don't judge any incomplete discussion with developers until we reach a yes or no if it could be done or not!
I'm not having a whak at the developers. It's more of a rant to those people who don't offer suggestions, those that just down play everything (eg: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19405449&postcount=2). The VMWare is a great idea and i'm looking forward to seeing if anything comes out of it.
I picked those 2 as an example but throughout this forum, there's a lot of those comments that fit this
Well...
we getting ICS yet???
Yes no maybe
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Well...
we getting ICS yet???
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it's up to you
Anyway, real dual touch in the x10 mini... not gonna happen!!! Nobody should disagree with that...
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You're more in the know than i am. but i'm guessing another 2/3 months before we see ICS roms? :S
I can't believe you asked that question. (with about 15 existing threads on the matter now)
just stick to the topic. it isn't about ICS or any particular mod/rom/os. but comments that surround projects. people just seem to be too quick to jump to conclusions without any proper knowladge about what's involved.
Anyway, got the rant out of my system, i'm not gonna change the behaviour of a whole forum. I know to disregard those sorts of comments.
If some one would sticky them in bold letters on all sections it would be better. or else people will be posting asking about ics.
Looks like the children at xda have run off another dev, Nils is gone. I'll be glad when I can get rid of this phone, I'm so tired of all the rudeness and childishness.
RoyHinkley said:
Looks like the children at xda have run off another dev, Nils is gone. I'll be glad when I can get rid of this phone, I'm so tired of all the rudeness and childishness.
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what the **** are you talking about nils didn't leave because of the community, he left because there was no interest in rooms based off stock sense.
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nils is gone?!?! WHYYYYY
Says you. I am interested in ROMs that work...not hacks. I also apparently am one of the few that like using Sense ROMs. Nils delivered on that one. I was disappointed tonight when I read his post and realized his thread was locked/closed.
just saw it. quite upsetting; nils is the man. his work was always quality stuff. after being away dealing wtih the nexus and s3, and then coming back to the rezound development section, all i can say is holy balls. wtf is going on there? seriously, there's like 238948923 new threads of these noname "developers" releasing stock roms based on the OTA....there's like 50 different versions of the same thing. what the hell? annoying.
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just saw it. quite upsetting; nils is the man. his work was always quality stuff. after being away dealing wtih the nexus and s3, and then coming back to the rezound development section, all i can say is holy balls. wtf is going on there? seriously, there's like 238948923 new threads of these noname "developers" releasing stock roms based on the OTA....there's like 50 different versions of the same thing. what the hell? annoying.
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maybe ill release one too
This is a truly a sad day for the Rezound.
I think Nils mistook a lack of downloads for satisfaction with what he has already achieved.
I have been running his Sense 4 v2.6 for several weeks. It's so good as is, but I think many of us were waiting to download his next update.
Nils, If activity has been down, it's only because we love what you've already done, and we're enjoying your Rom as is.
Many want to try AOSP and CM9 and all that, and that needs to be ok. But many of us LOVE Sense, just like you, Nils. And we love what you have brought to the Rezound.
If you need to go, I get it. But please don't think you are unloved here. This place will be lonely without you. Thank you for everything you've done for this community.
Please keep us posted if you have a change of heart, or move on to a different platform. Take care, sir. And thank you again for all you've done.
Scott
**** this I'm going home!!
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This is sad. I ran several of nilsp Roms. Too bad that he is leaving. His Roms were always as close to bug free as any custom ROM I've ever used. Only changed to try new ones.
He will be missed.
BBEgo said:
This is a truly a sad day for the Rezound.
I think Nils mistook a lack of downloads for satisfaction with what he has already achieved.
I have been running his Sense 4 v2.6 for several weeks. It's so good as is, but I think many of us were waiting to download his next update.
Nils, If activity has been down, it's only because we love what you've already done, and we're enjoying your Rom as is.
Many want to try AOSP and CM9 and all that, and that needs to be ok. But many of us LOVE Sense, just like you, Nils. And we love what you have brought to the Rezound.
If you need to go, I get it. But please don't think you are unloved here. This place will be lonely without you. Thank you for everything you've done for this community.
Please keep us posted if you have a change of heart, or move on to a different platform. Take care, sir. And thank you again for all you've done.
Scott
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Well said.
I, too, was anxiously awaiting an update to an already great ROM. There are only two Sense 4 ROM that work reliably with all the functions that I need to work and that don't feel "dated", Business Sense and OnE XxX. I know many people are charmed by the snake but I've seen bug reports in that thread that I haven't seen or experienced in the other two. In fairness, maybe I should try it before I judge it but since I've been running Nils ROM I've haven't felt compelled to try anything else.
You think he left because of no activity in his threads? Read his posts more closely, I don't think that is the whole story.
As far as no activity, read the other threads. Most posts are because this or that doesn't work. You don't see as much of that here because people just download it and go. Then his thread gets buried because of the sudden proliferation of ROMs on the new leak and the recent developments in ASOP and that makes it worse. There seem to be quite a few dev wannabes in here now who are enjoying a little bit of attention. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that there are new people getting into ROM building and I know all of them have much more experience and expertise than I do. However, some of them need to learn some manners and have some respect for the experienced devs (maybe it's not so much the new devs as it is their fan base).
Just an opinion from some one watching from the sidelines.
BBEgo said:
This is a truly a sad day for the Rezound.
I think Nils mistook a lack of downloads for satisfaction with what he has already achieved.
I have been running his Sense 4 v2.6 for several weeks. It's so good as is, but I think many of us were waiting to download his next update.
Nils, If activity has been down, it's only because we love what you've already done, and we're enjoying your Rom as is.
Many want to try AOSP and CM9 and all that, and that needs to be ok. But many of us LOVE Sense, just like you, Nils. And we love what you have brought to the Rezound.
If you need to go, I get it. But please don't think you are unloved here. This place will be lonely without you. Thank you for everything you've done for this community.
Please keep us posted if you have a change of heart, or move on to a different platform. Take care, sir. And thank you again for all you've done.
Scott
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AGREED!
I ran both of his ROMS and although I'm not running one of them now, I was EAGERLY awaiting his next release for either one of his versions and would have switched back in a heartbeat. His work is always rock solid and he is one of the most responsive developers out here. Nils, as a regular subscriber I wanted to to say THANKS again for your hard work. Hope to see you soon!
He states that there are more than enough developers, and lack of interest in his roms, while also stating that certain devs were not thanking him for his mods. I think your claim of, oh i am so tired of the childishness and rudeness is bogus and you should be flamed for starting a thread like this. If you are gonna be mad at anyone be mad at the devs who did not thank him. If you want to cry publicly you have the right to do so but understand your broad statement should be more focused on those who did not thank him instead of people being childish.
Isn't it funny how just a few months ago the complaint(s) were about a lack of devs, and now you can't go through the 1st page in the dev section without tripping over a new ROM. Not saying it's bad, good, or other; just an observation. I did not run NilsP's roms but I didn't have to, to know they were solid, with a reputation like he had. It sucks when any established dev leaves.
Thanks for all your work, Nils.
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Well said.
I, too, was anxiously awaiting an update to an already great ROM. There are only two Sense 4 ROM that work reliably with all the functions that I need to work and that don't feel "dated", Business Sense and OnE XxX. I know many people are charmed by the snake but I've seen bug reports in that thread that I haven't seen or experienced in the other two. In fairness, maybe I should try it before I judge it but since I've been running Nils ROM I've haven't felt compelled to try anything else.
You think he left because of no activity in his threads? Read his posts more closely, I don't think that is the whole story.
As far as no activity, read the other threads. Most posts are because this or that doesn't work. You don't see as much of that here because people just download it and go. Then his thread gets buried because of the sudden proliferation of ROMs on the new leak and the recent developments in ASOP and that makes it worse. There seem to be quite a few dev wannabes in here now who are enjoying a little bit of attention. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that there are new people getting into ROM building and I know all of them have much more experience and expertise than I do. However, some of them need to learn some manners and have some respect for the experienced devs (maybe it's not so much the new devs as it is their fan base).
Just an opinion from some one watching from the sidelines.
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Let's not trash the "snake" without ever trying it, I've been running it for weeks with ZERO problems, it's an amazing ROM
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He states that there are more than enough developers, and lack of interest in his roms, while also stating that certain devs were not thanking him for his mods. I think your claim of, oh i am so tired of the childishness and rudeness is bogus and you should be flamed for starting a thread like this. If you are gonna be mad at anyone be mad at the devs who did not thank him. If you want to cry publicly you have the right to do so but understand your broad statement should be more focused on those who did not thank him instead of people being childish.
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If I offended you, I apologize. Yes, it is a broad statement based on what I've read in many posts in many threads on xda, especially the Rezound section, not just on Nils leaving. People using his work and not even acknowledging him is a part, and I think a big part, of what I'm talking about. There's not much cordiality left in these forums, people are too quick to dismiss and demean (yes, I think that is childish and rude as is not thanking some one when using their work). Look at what happened to Micromod when he posted his leaked OTA.
Did I just want to rant a little? As some one who reads much but posts very little, yes I did. Am I upset? I wouldn't say I'm upset. In the grand scheme of things this is more of just a mild annoyance.
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Let's not trash the "snake" without ever trying it, I've been running it for weeks with ZERO problems, it's an amazing ROM
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I didn't mean to trash ViperROM, I was just saying I read about bugs that I didn't have in the other two. From what I've read it also has more features than the other two.
And nils was one of the only "cool"] ones. Smh.
Synergized GS3
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If I offended you, I apologize. Yes, it is a broad statement based on what I've read in many posts in many threads on xda, especially the Rezound section, not just on Nils leaving. People using his work and not even acknowledging him is a part, and I think a big part, of what I'm talking about. There's not much cordiality left in these forums, people are too quick to dismiss and demean (yes, I think that is childish and rude as is not thanking some one when using their work). Look at what happened to Micromod when he posted his leaked OTA.
Did I just want to rant a little? As some one who reads much but posts very little, yes I did. Am I upset? I wouldn't say I'm upset. In the grand scheme of things this is more of just a mild annoyance.
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I am not debating that childishness occurs, I am just stating that there is no evidence from what I can find that, that's why he left. He states that devs were not thanking him for his work. I have always admired NILS as he is one of the most amazing devs I have ever come across. I too would be pissed if people couldnt do something as simple as give me credit for my work that I had put hours, days and weeks into it. Am I sad to see him leave, hell yes. I had talked to NILS way back in the day when I first got my Rezound and he is as nice as they come. He will be missed more than he knows.
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Isn't it funny how just a few months ago the complaint(s) were about a lack of devs, and now you can't go through the 1st page in the dev section without tripping over a new ROM. Not saying it's bad, good, or other; just an observation. I did not run NilsP's roms but I didn't have to, to know they were solid, with a reputation like he had. It sucks when any established dev leaves.
Thanks for all your work, Nils.
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I think having new devs is great, it just seems that some of the established devs aren't being treated with the respect they deserve. I may be way off base here - it could just be the natural progression of the developement community. This is just my opinion on what I've observed and I don't see everything and I don't know what goes on in private.
All I should have said is Nils, I wish you the best but I hope you change your mind and come back. There are plenty of people here who appreciate and respect your work.
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I think having new devs is great, it just seems that some of the established devs aren't being treated with the respect they deserve. I may be way off base here - it could just be the natural progression of the developement community. This is just my opinion on what I've observed and I don't see everything and I don't know what goes on in private.
All I should have said is Nils, I wish you the best but I hope you change your mind and come back. There are plenty of people here who appreciate and respect your work.
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Ooc, what respect should they be getting differently? Everyone appreciates and clicks thanks etc. And they became xda rock gods. Then some moved on and became humble and nice to new phones.. Then the cycle repeats. Not starting anything, just genuinely curious.
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what's stopping devs from porting it?
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what's stopping devs from porting it?
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Time, resources, and a large amount of users who are complaining about a lack of 4.4 while doing nothing to try and help. We have very few devs working on this, and they're putting all of their focus into stable 4.3 builds before they take on 4.4.
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Time, resources, and a large amount of users who are complaining about a lack of 4.4 while doing nothing to try and help. We have very few devs working on this, and they're putting all of their focus into stable 4.3 builds before they take on 4.4.
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thanks for the nice response, but what I meant was, will it ever come or are missing drivers or other code that manufacturers won't provide the real problem ?
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thanks for the nice response, but what I meant was, will it ever come or are missing drivers or other code that manufacturers won't provide the real problem ?
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oh god damn it, IT WILL HAPPEN.....or instead of people nagging and constantly asking, how about people HELP...
there are 3 AOSP source dev's for the inter X+ and one for the AT&T X+
so not many dev's.....i'd stop nagging if i were you lot
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oh god damn it, IT WILL HAPPEN.....or instead of people nagging and constantly asking, how about people HELP...
there are 3 AOSP source dev's for the inter X+ and one for the AT&T X+
so not many dev's.....i'd stop nagging if i were you lot
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are you ok?
I'm just ASKING if there is something that is blocking the development like missing drivers, because I read somewhere that it will "NEVER HAPPEN FOR ONE X+ BECAUSE SOME DRIVERS WERE MISSING AND WOULD NEVER BE OPEN SOURCED BY THE MANUFACTURER"
but thanks for going all asshole on me because people ask you about it too much
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are you ok?
but thanks for going all asshole on me because people ask you about it too much
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You do realize that you just called one of the only devs of hox+ for both roms and kernels who has plenty of other things and devices to do, less reason to continue the support for this phone. Maybe try this thing called Google, I hear you can find answers there for various questions... Or as Loir suggested go and build your own environment and try to port 4,4 over and then see what errors you get in the compile. Then collaborate with the others to fix or at least circumvent them.
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You do realize that you just called one of the only devs of hox+ for both roms and kernels who has plenty of other things and devices to do, less reason to continue the support for this phone. Maybe try this thing called Google, I hear you can find answers there for various questions... Or as Loir suggested go and build your own environment and try to port 4,4 over and then see what errors you get in the compile. Then collaborate with the others to fix or at least circumvent them.
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sorry for bowing down to him...
I'm thankful for his work. but he misinterprets my question and tells me to stop nagging
are you really telling me to google that stuff when xda is the only real trustable source? google will give you 50 sites that say 4.4 is ready and another 50 that say it will never happen.
and I've been following his thread on 4.4 but the only thing I ask for is if there is something blocking the development.
I think you guys are really frustrated... if it's such a huge buzzkill for you/him then **** it don't port it.
I was really expecting an answer like :"we're waiting for manufacturer X to release sources for x or y"
or maybe "the chipset doesn't support a core function" or something along those lines
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sorry for bowing down to him...
I'm thankful for his work. but he misinterprets my question and tells me to stop nagging
are you really telling me to google that stuff when xda is the only real trustable source? google will give you 50 sites that say 4.4 is ready and another 50 that say it will never happen.
and I've been following his thread on 4.4 but the only thing I ask for is if there is something blocking the development.
I think you guys are really frustrated... if it's such a huge buzzkill for you/him then **** it don't port it.
I was really expecting an answer like :"we're waiting for manufacturer X to release sources for x or y"
or maybe "the chipset doesn't support a core function" or something along those lines
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You kind of missed the whole point of xda. It's about helping out others, BUT if you don't get the answers you want then you are supposed to find out and then contribute that information! There's nothing stopping you from trying it yourself to see how difficult it can really be.
No I didn't expect you google 4.4 kitkat development, However there are plenty of other threads and forums also irc chats where all the problems get discussed. Those can be found by searching on google. Maybe adjust your criteria.
As for being frustrated, you a damn right, most other platforms either get the help or ability to perform s-off and many other documents/source code for their devices, HTC and nVidia in their infinite wisdom have choosen not to give out much at all to help to development community for the enrc2b . As for you saying its a "buzzkill" for us and that you aren't happy with all the work that people have been putting in for over a year now, all for free and available to everyone to enjoy at their discretion, maybe you should grow up and consider your words more carefully.
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You kind of missed the whole point of xda. It's about helping out others, BUT if you don't get the answers you want then you are supposed to find out and then contribute that information! There's nothing stopping you from trying it yourself to see how difficult it can really be.
No I didn't expect you google 4.4 kitkat development, However there are plenty of other threads and forums also irc chats where all the problems get discussed. Those can be found by searching on google. Maybe adjust your criteria.
As for being frustrated, you a damn right, most other platforms either get the help or ability to perform s-off and many other documents/source code for their devices, HTC and nVidia in their infinite wisdom have choosen not to give out much at all to help to development community for the enrc2b . As for you saying its a "buzzkill" for us and that you aren't happy with all the work that people have been putting in for over a year now, all for free and available to everyone to enjoy at their discretion, maybe you should grow up and consider your words more carefully.
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you do realise that the last paragraphe of your answer is what I've been looking for right?
and why would you think I wasn't happy with the work? why else would I be here...
what my next point was going to be... was that... I think that htc and nvidia think nobody really cares about the devices because as far as searching for answers there are really not many people posting about it and contributing to porting the code(like you said yourself, and I understand it sucks).
it's also a device you don't see often... I have yet to encounter somebody IRL with a one x+
Maybe some sort of petition could help push them to release it? it's not like it's top secret alien stuff their holding back...
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you do realise that the last paragraphe of your answer is what I've been looking for right?
and why would you think I wasn't happy with the work? why else would I be here...
what my next point was going to be... was that... I think that htc and nvidia think nobody really cares about the devices because as far as searching for answers there are really not many people posting about it and contributing to porting the code(like you said yourself, and I understand it sucks).
it's also a device you don't see often... I have yet to encounter somebody IRL with a one x+
Maybe some sort of petition could help push them to release it? it's not like it's top secret alien stuff their holding back...
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petitions are as much use as a chocolate teacup, it won't do squat
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you do realise that the last paragraphe of your answer is what I've been looking for right?
and why would you think I wasn't happy with the work? why else would I be here...
what my next point was going to be... was that... I think that htc and nvidia think nobody really cares about the devices because as far as searching for answers there are really not many people posting about it and contributing to porting the code(like you said yourself, and I understand it sucks).
it's also a device you don't see often... I have yet to encounter somebody IRL with a one x+
Maybe some sort of petition could help push them to release it? it's not like it's top secret alien stuff their holding back...
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Long story short, mass emailing, petitions, phone calls, everything they choose to ignore. Even though its been argued that they are violating the gpl its all been tried and a lot of people and devs have been pissed off enough to switch to a different platform. The guys that are left are basically the best ones we've ever had and have done so much with so little help. The device was sort of shunned by the retail guys, not sure why, it wasn't even officially released in my country. Maybe thats the problem, there weren't enough of them at the start to bother. Either way Loir and the other guys, Tom Briden and lately PippoX3 have been doing a great job.
Hopefully now the source code for 4.4.1 has been released for nexis devices yesterday to the aosp community, we might get some more help on the porting side of things for hox+
as it stands right now, @tombriden is busy moving home, @maxwen has moved on, @PippoX3 has moved on, so it means i'm the only one left for the time being.
I'am trying to bring the AT&T X+ into the fold, while trying to maintain the enrc2b and the HTC First user's wanting my attention. All i ask are more people to step up and help, in little ways if need's be.... i will adjust my tutorial later for building from source.
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as it stands right now, @tombriden is busy moving home, @maxwen has moved on, @PippoX3 has moved on, so it means i'm the only one left for the time being.
I'am trying to bring the AT&T X+ into the fold, while trying to maintain the enrc2b and the HTC First user's wanting my attention. All i ask are more people to step up and help, in little ways if need's be.... i will adjust my tutorial later for building from source.
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Unfortunately the time is very tight... personally I choose hammerhead to have much less works to do.
I'm waiting to sell my HOX+. And without a device to test roms, is much difficult.
As @tombriden says a lot of times: got a life. Family and job has priority...
I believe that developer with much more time to spend on, are teen agers without family commitments.
Anyway if I'm not wrong, the hard-core to overcome is the kernel.
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Unfortunately the time is very tight... personally I choose hammerhead to have much less works to do.
I'm waiting to sell my HOX+. And without a device to test roms, is much difficult.
As @tombriden says a lot of times: got a life. Family and job has priority...
I believe that developer with much more time to spend on, are teen agers without family commitments.
Anyway if I'm not wrong, the hard-core to overcome is the kernel.
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yeap completely agree with you