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Hey MT4G Users
Question I appreciate all you that have givin CLEAR instructions on rooting the phone itself, I followed it step by step and it worked GREAT!! I was a little scared at first because i didnt want to turn my phone into a "brick" but all is well and i've been playing around with roms. I recently dl the Ice Glacier rom (backed up my OEM rom first) and noticed that after i flashed it, all my programs weren't on the phone itself. I did do a layer over from my OEM rom and got all the programs i had back from a previous install.
My question is this though, is there a way to keep the programs without over layering from the previous rom?? I did notice that you can move to the sd card but i think it wont work after flashing a new rom, have any of you had this problem?? Mind the fact that these programs/apps were installed on the OEM rom with the phone which i still have, just in case I have to take my phone in. And i'm not to keen on the iced glacier rom itself do any of you have a site?? Please let me know i'd be grateful!!
You dont need instructions to root your phone because its already rooted if you can flash ROMs, etc. There is a app called Titanium backup you can use to backup all of your apps, just do a batch backup or whatever. there is also a app called reware backup pro i used to use but it doesnt work as great, still good though. if you want a different rom then stock and keep your old apps that is the only way that i know of. i think thats what you are asking? i didnt really get it.. you can also back up apps wiith astro manager but that takes a while.
i use astro manager and it works great for my backups, and as far as the roms go, i wasnt able to flash anything because i needed su permissions on the phone itself. So for me to root my phone today then it worked out nicely. Thanks!
jay4mont78 said:
i use astro manager and it works great for my backups, and as far as the roms go, i wasnt able to flash anything because i needed su permissions on the phone itself. So for me to root my phone today then it worked out nicely. Thanks!
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Have you tried titaniuam backup? its nice because you dont have to do everything one by one when you want to restore them, well i have well over 90 apps so that could be why lol. if you are light on them then it would be fine
Fair warning: I've never rooted a phone before. I've dabbled in ADB with my nook color, but am far from comfortable with it. I installed Honeycomb on the nook color, then decided to just go simple with autonooter.
Now, I'm thinking of rooting my new Thunderbolt. Mostly because I'd like to get rid of all of the bloatware and try to get all of the performance out of my phone as I can get. After having the Droid1 for a couple of years, I do not want to see my phone get laggy like my D1 did.
So here come the beginner questions: once I root the phone, I know I need to get ROM Manager and Titanium Backup. Those apps will let me be able to get back all of my data and preferences, etc once I switch ROMs right?
What else will I need after rooting? Is it a simple process to flash a new ROM?
Can anyone suggest a (mostly) stock ROM that just gets rid of the bloatware and gives the phones performance a boost?
Also, does a rooted phone require a lot of maintenance? For instance, will I have to be updating ROMS often? Also, if an OTA comes out for non-rooted phones, do these updates get worked into the ROMs quickly? I dont want to be without a necessary update, ya know?
Last question: Once I root my phone, should I just cancel the insurance on the phone? Or does "voiding the warranty" only mean that VZW wont fix it for free?
Thanks!
First off, I highly recommend following this rooting method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996616 and not using the easy root method. If you have any problems at all, you can log into http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=951190 and get some help. I also highly recommend reading up a bit on ADB, what it is and how it works http://www.xda-developers.com/android/adb-easy-tutorial/
Then...once you get rooted use ROM Manager to flash the clockworkmod recovery. In ROM Manager there's a little fix that everyone's been doing: open ROM Manager, menu>clear download cache, then settings>erase recovery. Then do your backup before you do anything else like flashing another ROM. Use Titanium to backup all your apps. I recommend the paid versions of both since you will be using them a lot.
Added: What I usually do the first time: Root, backup rom, install debloated rom, set everything up like I want it and then backup again. Each time I flash a new ROM, I create a backup of it all set up and with the name so that I can easily switch back and forth. I like change
The basic debloat rom is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000103
It's easy to flash a new ROM, just download the one you want, put it on your sdcard and then use ROM Manager to 'install from sdcard'
You are going to be flashing ROMs left and right because they come out so fast. Each time an update is out, it'll be put into a ROM and released for all of us here so that you stay current. Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
I would not recommend getting rid of your insurance, it is different than the warranty and you can get your phone replaced if it's ever damaged. I've used it 3 times now all on rooted phones. It indeed will void the warranty.
Happy rooting!
^ +1. I did use the easy root method and had no problems with it but it is truly still hit or miss. I am sure it will get better as more developers start pushing new stuff out.
Good luck
Thanks for the reply!
Why dont you recommend using the easy root method that I've been reading so much about? I realize it has some faults, but I'm planning on waiting until an updated version comes out. I'm a bit afraid to brick my phone while trying to root the phone myself.
Also, after rooting, how can i do a backup of my apps? Doesnt rooting wipe all of the data on my phone?
Learning ADB would be helpful...I must admit, I am an easy root junkie. I just don't have the time to learn ADB. Maybe someday that will change.
Rooting will wipe your phone and I use Titanium Backup to back up my apps. It does make it a lot easier once you start flashing ROMs on a daily basis
Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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Thanks! After watching a video of someone rooting, I think I will be able to do the non-easy method.
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Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
Zalyia38 said:
This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
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Thanks.
So to answer my previous question: When rooting, I'm still going to lose all of my current information including apps, sms, etc. However, its good to backup my phone before installing the debloated rom.
Is that correct?
Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
CorporateGoth said:
Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
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Even better call it the Original Root Method........
pman555 said:
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
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you don't open the files. The exploit one is the one you unpackage to your tools directory. The other you will put on your sdcard when told too. you can join #root and get help if you want.
as far as apps, the market 'should' reload all your apps when you wipe data just give it time. Then use titanium to back them all up.
So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
Capt.D said:
Even better call it the Original Root Method........
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I like that one
jawonder said:
So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
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ADB is learning what you are doing to your phone instead of letting a program do it for you. Copy/paste is just so there are no typos if you don't feel as comfortable typing it all out. I recommend reading up on ADB so that you have a bit of knowledge of what you are doing.
do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
Irish Whiskey said:
do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
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Titanium backup only works after you're rooted.
You can use a program like Mybackup Pro to backup stuff like sms mms, etc.
Sent from my ADR6400L using XDA App
As a first time rooter myself, I ended up doing the original root process. The well written instructions helped me not to feel paranoid and I breezed through the steps. While, I was confident in rooting the phone because of the instructions, I don't feel so confident post root because I don't know how to do many of the elements like flash roms, kernels, apply mods, etc. So my question is, are there any guides for flashing new roms and the steps taken before and after? For instance, let's say I wanted to flash adrynalyne's no bloat rom, and his mod package, how do I go about doing it? Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Zalyia38 said:
Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
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If I root and remove bloatware manually, will OTA updates occur automatically, or do I have the option of blocking them. Would they re-install all of the bloatware I removed?
hello
i just bought this phone a couple hours ago
tell me did i mess up? i can't find any roms, kernels, or recoveries for this phone.
i've spent the last couple hours searching for any info and haven't found even a little.
i have it rooted with superoneclick, i can't adb push any files though, like the UOT kitchen files.
any help would be greatly appreciated
This phone!
Its not bad a phone but its just sluggish and yeah i have been trying to find ROMS and BUILDS for this phone. Someone make something please:
well i found a forum for this phone model, not much info available yet, except confirmed rooting...
http://androidforums.com/samsung-gravity-smart/
Awe man well at least im hoping there is someone who has this device and is willing to make a rom!
Not a bad phone but it needs to be cleaned up badly.
Over clocking it does help it a lot.
I have just rooted my gravity smart, but still can't uninstall telenav and others...did I do something wrong? I watched the video, and followed the steps, it was VERY easy, install, click root, pretty much. Still need to get rid of all the junk apps...
Hi Guys i just wanted to be part of this thread for updates. My lil sister has one of these and I wanted to get more info. Ill be on the look out as well and keep you guys posted.
emailed koush asking to port CWM recovery for us
lightsycle said:
I have just rooted my gravity smart, but still can't uninstall telenav and others...did I do something wrong? I watched the video, and followed the steps, it was VERY easy, install, click root, pretty much. Still need to get rid of all the junk apps...
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did it install superuser and busybox?
does titanium backup ask for superuser permissions?
careful what u uninstall
i removed a few apps that i shouldnt have
I would love some development on this phone.. hopefully someone cares enough. I've rooted with Super One Click, but now trying to overclock.. any thoughts? Can't use SetCPU or others..
jasherpowers said:
I would love some development on this phone.. hopefully someone cares enough. I've rooted with Super One Click, but now trying to overclock.. any thoughts? Can't use SetCPU or others..
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until we get a different kernel developed, we can't overclock the cpu.
the stock kernel doesn't have support for overclocking.
at least from what i'm understanding anyway.
we can raise the floor but not the roof.
yes the superuser and other box thing got installed, and I saw the super user, but when I run it there is no apps in it...do you use the other one to uninstall things?
Yes BusyBox both got installed.
lightsycle said:
yes the superuser and other box thing got installed, and I saw the super user, but when I run it there is no apps in it...do you use the other one to uninstall things?
Yes BusyBox both got installed.
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from what i'm interpreting...
superuser is the administrator or babysitter
busybox is the interpreter or the middle man
to unistall programs, such as system apps, which i wouldnt do until we have a ROM or RECOVERY available, i use titanium backup.
note that when u back up a system app, it only backs up the information file, not the app itself...
so if u uninstall it and want it back, youre screwed basically.. probably not completely, but pretty much. i learned this the hard way.
now, if you backup a user app, it saves the app itself.. unlike system apps.
just use titanium backup and "FREEZE" the system apps you don't want, for now.
please don't uninstall them.
infact, if anyone could get me a copy of the 3d gallery and music app that comes with this phone, i'd be much appreciated.
i hope this helps you.
i've asked around for some help porting a recovery, no replies yet
Recovery
Any responses yet? :l
Im actually happy you are doing something about this
Much oblige
Freeze First..
I used Titanium backup pro to freeze unwanted files first and let that be for a day or so after a couple of reboots. Then I uninstalled what was not needed. Baby steps here is my best recommendation since the first time I did this I bricked my phone. I also had an email into Kousch but to no avail.
Keep Moving Forward,
DragonSeeeker
unrooting?
I'm kind of a noob at this but can I unroot this device so I won't void the warranty?
Also. Anyone have all the apks of all the apps this phone came with?
I would greatly appreciate it!
i wish i had dumped the system folder before i started uninstalling apps myself...
maybe someone who hasnt uninstalled anything yet would post a link to a dump of the /system/app/ folder with the apks for us...
if someone was willing to do this for us, i'd recommend a factory reset prior to dumping the files
Hey guys! I got this phone as a warranty replacement for my Cliq (WORST PHONE EVER). I was excited at first cause it worked much faster and came w/ 2.2. But now it seems like this is the develpment communities step child! Where are all the devs???? Anyway, I'm a totall beginner when it comes to Android development. I have not yet rooted, and would be happy to provide you guys with anything if it means bringing some life to the development of this phone. Let me know what I can do!
P.s. I would be happy to provide a system dump, just need instruction on how to do so.
hey comoc85
welcome to the stepchild thread, lol
easy to root this phone with superoneclick
here is a link to the Samsung Kies Program that has the usb drivers bundled for our phone for rooting, etc.
http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.com/downloadfile/ContentsFile.aspx?CDSite=US&CttFileID=4132035&CDCt[/url] tType=SW&ModelType=C&ModelName=SGH-T589HBBTMB&VPath=SW/201106/20110625042859732/TMO_T589_Kies_20.exe
here is a link for a youtube video for rooting our phone as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMg5LfPW5m4&feature=player_embedded
are you familiar with using adb commands?
if so, easy to grab all the system apps for us or yourself for later
just by entering "adb pull /system/app/" and it will dump your system apps
probably zip them for uploading, be sure to factory reset prior to dumping so that your information isnt included.
remember, don't unistall any system apps once rooted till we get a developer to make a rom for us. some people have bricked this phone doing that. also note this is a "touchwiz" phone and do not remove and apps named "TW....." or it will cause errors..
titanium backup does not backup system apps, i found out after i unistalled them... it acts like it does but only backs up the data, not the app itself...
it would be wise, even for yourself, to dump your /system/app/ folder to your computer incase you need to replace a app you borked somehow... our firmware isnt available on samusngs website yet, or samfirmware.com
i wish i had known to dump my /system/app/ folder prior to uninstalling a few things... but my phone still works... anyway, found some build.prop edits that work on our phone for a lil tweaking..
hopefully someone will pick up development on this phone..
i dont understand how to cook a rom or i'd attempt it, and without a recovery to make a backup, i surely don't want to attempt it..
have a great day
oh to dump your system/apps/ folder you have to be rooted and have sdk + java installed on your computer..
if you're into changing roms etc, you'll need to learn this stuff anyway.
here's a link to a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1SOSXwkc_8
here's a couple more useful links: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502010
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/what-is-adb-and-how-to-install-it-android/
ive done factory reset several times while being rooted and not lost root or had any problems... this is due to having the stock recovery...
dont ever do a factory reset while using a custom recovery... brick brick brick..
like i said though, factory reset while under stock recovery while rooted is fine.
oh i had problems with the newest superoneclick version and tried version 1.9.5 without any hangups or problems.. just fyi
I just rooted my DX2 using the Droid3 one click root method. I don't like being rooted. I have frozen some apps and changed my boot animation and my fonts. All using ROM Manager. My question is, 3 actually,
1. How do I unroot?
2. Can I unroot without having to factory reset my phone?
3. Is there a way to back up my phone(settings, apps, contacts) without being rooted?
What is there not to like? Being rooted just gives u superuser permission you can stay stock and benefit from more apps and control and abilities to add to ur misfit toy
T3CH9ICIAN said:
What is there not to like? Being rooted just gives u superuser permission you can stay stock and benefit from more apps and control and abilities to add to ur misfit toy
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I am a noob at rooting. I was afraid to even take the leap. Now it seems that my phone is slower and laggy. I don't want to brick my phone trying to fix this.
Try using setcpu or ROM toolbox to set the CPU higher. Can also use auto task killer memory optimizer to free up ram on your phone. I'd say try that before unrooting. Not sure if you can unroot. I think you'll have to do a SBF
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arparaspolo said:
I am a noob at rooting. I was afraid to even take the leap. Now it seems that my phone is slower and laggy. I don't want to brick my phone trying to fix this.
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You can just SBF your phone, it's not as scary as it seems. The directions provided here on XDA are detailed and easy to follow.
Still, if it were me in you position, I'd not only keep root, but go ahead and install Recovery and do a backup. That way you don't have to lose your data.
I used to think the same thing. But keeping root has allowed me to load multiple roms and scripts, now I'm a flash addict! Flashing roms and running scripts is very easy when you follow the instructions on this forum. I suggest loading the liberty rom and trying it out before unrooting or sbfing.
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Thank you everyone for your suggestions. I will try out this root thing a bit longer. Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs right? I hope to not break any eggs :/ This is all chinese to me. I will have to research the terms you are all speaking of.
arparaspolo said:
Thank you everyone for your suggestions. I will try out this root thing a bit longer. Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs right? I hope to not break any eggs :/ This is all chinese to me. I will have to research the terms you are all speaking of.
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Take look at all our stickies. Anything u need to know is detailed in them.
feel free to pm me if u have something u can't figure out.
TIP-
FLASH ECLIPSE
U will almost instantly fall in love with how smooth it runs and how clean it is.
Or even try liberty. Both very solid.
And rooting and the mods u described u did(freezing/removing apps )I shouldn't slow ur phone down.
try clearing cache from stock recovery and see if that speeds things up for ya. It should.
U wont lose ANY data if u only clear the cache.
Breaking humpty dumpty is fine, remember to make nandroid so you can put your phone back to how you had it
Quite fun making a nandroid and trying out new ROMs and mods. You can rename nandroids too so you know which one is which, just put a "."But and then what ever you want after everything. So like 2011-12-23.Molten or something, just don't mess with the numbers.
Good luck!
Sent from my DROID X2 using XDA App
This entire thread really made me laugh! Thanks guys, you took this poor soul from a feeling of OH NO WHAT DID I DO and flashed him with suggestions and thoughts and try this and that to the point he's thinking :
arparaspolo said:
I will try out this root thing a bit longer.
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I love it! This root thing!
Never mind
I just installed rom manager and I must have goofed something. There are hardly any roms for the dx2. I dont see eclipse or liberty? Any suggestions?
Yeah...here's a suggestions ...get the downloads for our roms from the development section sticky created by booked ....has every rom we got...can't.miss it...
We don't have "official" rom manager support....I recommend getting rid of it for now b4 u cause problems for urself....just saying.
I am verging off into strange and uncharted waters. I am trying to flash a rom. I have Rom toolbox and Rom manager and have back up everything with TB I have downloaded eclipse for my X2 and when I go to install Rom from memory card I click Eclipse only nothing happens. It just opens the file and that is it. How do I get it to put Eclipse on my phone?
Thanks
arparaspolo said:
I am verging off into strange and uncharted waters. I am trying to flash a rom. I have Rom toolbox and Rom manager and have back up everything with TB I have downloaded eclipse for my X2 and when I go to install Rom from memory card I click Eclipse only nothing happens. It just opens the file and that is it. How do I get it to put Eclipse on my phone?
Thanks
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First step---get rid of rom manager...
u need to use our bootstrap recovery to flash anything
Second step.
check booked's sticky in our development section for the bootstrap recovery app
Third step
Go to general section and read moon shadows sticky about making a nandroid backup.
Read read read read lol...
Rom manager will not work for us...the X2 doesn't have "official" CWM support ...or even official rom manager support...
Please read the couple sticky posts we have in general and development sections for all the info u desire
ashclepdia said:
First step---get rid of rom manager...
u need to use our bootstrap recovery to flash anything
Second step.
check booked's sticky in our development section for the bootstrap recovery app
Third step
Go to general section and read moon shadows sticky about making a nandroid backup.
Read read read read lol...
Rom manager will not work for us...the X2 doesn't have "official" CWM support ...or even official rom manager support...
Please read the couple sticky posts we have in general and development sections for all the info u desire
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Ok, so, I have flashed Eclipse to my phone. I downloaded Titanium backup to restore all of my data and apps but it isn't recognizing any of my backed up files. I don't understand. I even manually downloaded ADW again and went to restore my configuration and settings and it says there is no files. I know they are there I can see them when I connect my phone to the PC. Also when I open Easy Installer it isn't recognizing most of my APK files I have. Can you tell me what is going on please?
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Ok, so, I have flashed Eclipse to my phone. I downloaded Titanium backup to restore all of my data and apps but it isn't recognizing any of my backed up files. I don't understand. I even manually downloaded ADW again and went to restore my configuration and settings and it says there is no files. I know they are there I can see them when I connect my phone to the PC. Also when I open Easy Installer it isn't recognizing most of my APK files I have. Can you tell me what is going on please?
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Try switching the files ur trying to restore to the other sdcard.
I suspect this is ur problem because eclipse comes with sd card flip
So I think that ti is looking in the wrong.place.
Just use a file explorer to move it all to the other sdcard
reboot and them try again
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U don't need "easy installer" I don't think
Just use a file explorer (like root explorer--HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS APP!)
And navigate to the apk u would like to install and tap it. Then use "package installer" to install it.
Although some apps(mostly system apps) u will need to manually "push"(copy&paste) to /system/app using root explorer(mount /system as rw first...little gray button on top in root explorer) then change permission to rw-r--r--. Reboot and app will be there.
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Try switching the files ur trying to restore to the other sdcard.
I suspect this is ur problem because eclipse comes with sd card flip
So I think that ti is looking in the wrong.place.
Just use a file explorer to move it all to the other sdcard
reboot and them try again
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U don't need "easy installer" I don't think
Just use a file explorer (like root explorer--HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS APP!)
And navigate to the apk u would like to install and tap it. Then use "package installer" to install it.
Although some apps(mostly system apps) u will need to manually "push"(copy&paste) to /system/app using root explorer(mount /system as rw first...little gray button on top in root explorer) then change permission to rw-r--r--. Reboot and app will be there.
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Before Eclipse everything was being saved in my internal memory. When you said SD flip I thought maybe if I take what I want from internal and transfer to external it will be recognized. It worked. I am restoring all my data and apps. WOOHOO. Now I just need to find out how to get my music able to be controlled from the lock screen like gingerbread That is a feature I use daily as I use my phone as an MP3.
ashclepdia said:
Try switching the files ur trying to restore to the other sdcard.
I suspect this is ur problem because eclipse comes with sd card flip
So I think that ti is looking in the wrong.place.
Just use a file explorer to move it all to the other sdcard
reboot and them try again
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U don't need "easy installer" I don't think
Just use a file explorer (like root explorer--HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS APP!)
And navigate to the apk u would like to install and tap it. Then use "package installer" to install it.
Although some apps(mostly system apps) u will need to manually "push"(copy&paste) to /system/app using root explorer(mount /system as rw first...little gray button on top in root explorer) then change permission to rw-r--r--. Reboot and app will be there.
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Another problem I am having is I can't get picture messeges. It gives me the option to download them but it never downloads.
Hmmm. I never had a problem wit picture messages...
sorry...
I even just got a pic my friend sent me as I was reading this...
Might want to check the settings inside message app...
u could also try a message app from market...
For lockscreen music controls try something like power amp or another music app that comes with options for lockscreen widget/controls...maybe even try searching for "lockscreen music control"
Also..I am hoping nitro includes those controls in next release kinda like how liberty has it
Is it possible to root the Fascinate without deleting data, or at least a temporary root?
Chase716 said:
Is it possible to root the Fascinate without deleting data, or at least a temporary root?
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Absolutely. You'd have to search/dig through older posts, but the general idea is this:
> Get a recovery .zip file that will install Superuser and put it onto the SDCARD
> Flash a custom recovery (typically ClockworkMod) using ODIN
> Reboot into recovery and install the .zip file
Basically for the Fascinate, all you really need to do is get the proper version of the Superuser application and it's corresponding su binary installed. The Samsung ODIN tool allows you to replace the stock recovery with a custom one, and that custom recovery will allow you to install Superuser/root the device. This only modifies the SYSTEM volume and does not affect any of your data at all. It's obviously more complicated, but essentially behaves as if you could just root by installing something from the Google Play Store.
There should be a TON of resources/threads out here and on other sites with how to actually accomplish this and provide the necessary files for the Fascinate, but as long as you pick a process that generally has the steps listed above, your data *should* be 100% safe.
... so get Googling and root that thing! lol :victory:
djp952 said:
Absolutely. You'd have to search/dig through older posts, but the general idea is this:
> Get a recovery .zip file that will install Superuser and put it onto the SDCARD
> Flash a custom recovery (typically ClockworkMod) using ODIN
> Reboot into recovery and install the .zip file
Basically for the Fascinate, all you really need to do is get the proper version of the Superuser application and it's corresponding su binary installed. The Samsung ODIN tool allows you to replace the stock recovery with a custom one, and that custom recovery will allow you to install Superuser/root the device. This only modifies the SYSTEM volume and does not affect any of your data at all. It's obviously more complicated, but essentially behaves as if you could just root by installing something from the Google Play Store.
There should be a TON of resources/threads out here and on other sites with how to actually accomplish this and provide the necessary files for the Fascinate, but as long as you pick a process that generally has the steps listed above, your data *should* be 100% safe.
... so get Googling and root that thing! lol :victory:
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Well the only thing is, that I'm not supposed to root it, and I only want a temporary root to remove bloatware. Superoneclick's shell root didn't work, and neither did z4root.
Chase716 said:
Well the only thing is, that I'm not supposed to root it, and I only want a temporary root to remove bloatware. Superoneclick's shell root didn't work, and neither did z4root.
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Well if you get more interested I suggest you try a 4.2.2 ROM you won't be disappointed
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bbrad said:
Well if you get more interested I suggest you try a 4.2.2 ROM you won't be disappointed
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Well that does sound really nice, especially since i enjoyed CyanogenMod on my Incredible 2, but I can not flash any ROMs, I cannot completely root, and I cannot even flash a new recovery. And if I did flash a ROM, I think it would have to be manually activated since it does not have a SIM Card, leading him to find out I rooted. I just want a temp root to remove the bloatware I do not use.
Chase716 said:
Well that does sound really nice, especially since i enjoyed CyanogenMod on my Incredible 2, but I can not flash any ROMs, I cannot completely root, and I cannot even flash a new recovery. And if I did flash a ROM, I think it would have to be manually activated since it does not have a SIM Card, leading him to find out I rooted. I just want a temp root to remove the bloatware I do not use.
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I don't think there are any temp-root solutions out there for the Gingerbread Fascinate, as the community was well beyond using exploits by that time Could be wrong, but I looked around and didn't really find anything. It might be worth looking around for a generic Linux 2.6.35-based exploit that somebody has compiled for the ARM processor.
Question ... what would prevent you from temporarily flashing a custom recovery to make the edits you want? If you don't change anything else, it would be overwritten with the stock recovery on the next boot, thus covering your tracks (and we can get the stock recovery back on there for ya if for some reason it doesn't). Many (most?) recoveries will allow ADB access when active, so you can mount system and do what you need to do without actually rooting the stock ROM.
Also, don't worry too much about the CDMA activation status, unless you check a certain box in the Samsung ODIN tool there is almost no way to screw that information up doing what you're looking to do. The CDMA keys are stored in a super double secret location that you ordinarily can't get to. The option is called "EFS Clear", don't go anywhere near it.
If you do find a solution that fits your needs, I also recommend you have a plan to restore the SYSTEM volume back to stock in case you make a mistake, like deleting a critical file. We can help with that as well if you are ultimately willing to use the ODIN tool. I just want to make sure you're prepared for that possibility as it sounds like if you temporarily break this device you'll be in big trouble
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If you do find a solution that fits your needs, I also recommend you have a plan to restore the SYSTEM volume back to stock in case you make a mistake, like deleting a critical file. We can help with that as well if you are ultimately willing to use the ODIN tool. I just want to make sure you're prepared for that possibility as it sounds like if you temporarily break this device you'll be in big trouble
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Yeah, but two more things: first, can someone give me a very detailed tutorial on ODIN for my device, and could someone also give me the files i may need in order to delete the bloatware, no flashing, no data wipes or anything like that? Because the bloatware is what I think slows my phone down. And what if something does not go right?
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You should be able to unroot via SuperOneClick after you've fully rooted and debloated the thing. Whoever's keeping an eye on that Fassy hopefully won't notice!
Chase716 said:
Yeah, but two more things: first, can someone give me a very detailed tutorial on ODIN for my device, and could someone also give me the files i may need in order to delete the bloatware, no flashing, no data wipes or anything like that? Because the bloatware is what I think slows my phone down. And what if something does not go right?
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Does the person you're hiding this from even know the difference between what GB and JB looks like? What's to say if you have an AOSP or CM-based JB rom that they'd even know it's not stock?
Anyway, if you buy Nova Launcher prime I know you can hide apps from your drawer, so if you wanted to say hide TiBu or Superuser you could do that and throw someone off if they're just taking a quick look at your app drawer. Nova doesn't work on GB though I think, so you might have to look for a different launcher to do that if you want to stay on stock.
For a detailed guide on pretty much anything related to rooting/flashing just check droidstyle's guide here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1238070
For freezing or removing bloat I highly recommend buying Titanium Backup, but there are some free apps that will do that sorta stuff. Titanium will give you way more options down the road though...
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Anyway, if you buy Nova Launcher prime I know you can hide apps from your drawer, so if you wanted to say hide TiBu or Superuser you could do that and throw someone off if they're just taking a quick look at your app drawer. Nova doesn't work on GB though I think, so you might have to look for a different launcher to do that if you want to stay on stock.
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I believe he does, since when I rooted my Incredible 2 he noticed it was completely different and not HTC Sense skinned, and I'd explained to him the Android operating system. And I use ADW EX as my default launcher, only because I can't use the TwLauncher due to lag issues. So I've hidden my bloat apps, but things still stay open in the background.
This might be a long shot, but have you ever tried to explain to him that rooting is actually more secure than having an unrooted phone? Try to get him to understand that with a rooted device you can actually make FULL backups of your device in case anything goes wrong, unlike the half-assed backups that non-rooted devices have to use. Also, rooted devices allow you to install the latest (secure) versions of android unlike non-rooted which force you to wait for updates that may never come.
Anyway, if that fails, I would recommend to root and freeze/remove with Titanium
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This might be a long shot, but have you ever tried to explain to him that rooting is actually more secure than having an unrooted phone? Try to get him to understand that with a rooted device you can actually make FULL backups of your device in case anything goes wrong, unlike the half-assed backups that non-rooted devices have to use. Also, rooted devices allow you to install the latest (secure) versions of android unlike non-rooted which force you to wait for updates that may never come.
Anyway, if that fails, I would recommend to root and freeze/remove with Titanium
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I wish. He won't listen, and he'll just say that it's bad, I don't need to root my phone,and that I'll break it, like my old one ( NOT MY FAULT!). That is why I wanted to do it secretly, temporarily, or something like that. I know it's good, and that there are risks. So is there any way I can root (no flashing) and keep it hidden? Also, I went into the bootloader, and saw an option that said update.zip. Would that be useful, to maybe flash the EH09 Fascinate rom?
UPDATE: Thanks for the help everyone, but I'm most likely going to ditch the Fascinate for a Galaxy SIII. So maybe sometime I'll find the time to experiment with ROMS on my Fascinate sometime.