problem reflashing my hero - Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hey guys..
ill start with saying that I have rooted and installed custom roms on Legend, Hero and Nexus one. This thread is about a GSM Hero that isnt rooted and never was rooted.
I cannot boot my hero after updating. When I start it normally I only come to the screen where it says HERO with white text on black background. I cant get any further than that.
When I do a factory default same thing happens. only get to the HERO logo at startup.
The only mode I can get the phone into is fastboot.
So how can I get this Hero to boot up normally again?
My thought was that I probably should be able to install some recovery through fastboot then boot the phone into recovery and install a zipped ROM through there but I get not allowed whe I try with "fastboot flash recovery recovery-RA-hero-v1.7.0.1.img" because it isnt rooted.
Is there anything else I can do via fastboot to get it running again or do you have any other way I can try?
Thanks in advance!

Run a HTC RUU when in fastboot to return back to stock again.
PS.... Things like this need to go in GENERAL or QnA next time. Thanx

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[Q] Unable to boot into recovery

Ok... So a couple of days ago, I was having bootloop issues on Ineffabilis 1.3 using the Anthrax kernel. After doing a battery pull, I booted into the bootloader and then to recovery and found that my roommate, while playing with my phone, had flashed the ClockworkMod Recovery, I suppose through the Rom Manager app.
I figured it would be ok to do a full wipe and re-flash the rom since flashing the stock kernel didn't stop the bootlooping and I would just flash AmonRa back when I was done to do a backup.
Well, after doing a factory reset from CWM and getting errors thereafter trying to flash the superwipe and Ineffabilis, I rebooted the phone and skipped through the setup to get to the restart menu to get into the bootloader again to flash AmonRa. I was able to flash it, but now every time I try to get into the recovery whether from the restart menu, ADB, or through the fastboot menu, it automatically restarts the phone as soon as the recovery is loaded and goes back to the OS.
Has anyone experienced this and is there any way to fix it to get back into it?
Sounds like you have a ph image on your sd card. Just delete it and you should be fine
sent from ics land
I've long since removed all PH files from my phone, internal and external sdcard included, and even if there were that's never stopped my from booting directly into recovery from the restart menu or through ADB.
I've even gone as far as removing the external sdcard with the same result. It just boots into recovery and as soon as it loads for that split second, it automatically reboots to the HTC screen and back to Android.
I still have root and my phone isn't bricked. I just can't flash any roms or kernels in the future when we get our official ics update. WTB my EVO 3D's hboot 1.4 back...
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ojdidit84 said:
I've long since removed all PH files from my phone, internal and external sdcard included, and even if there were that's never stopped my from booting directly into recovery from the restart menu or through ADB.
I've even gone as far as removing the external sdcard with the same result. It just boots into recovery and as soon as it loads for that split second, it automatically reboots to the HTC screen and back to Android.
I still have root and my phone isn't bricked. I just can't flash any roms or kernels in the future when we get our official ics update. WTB my EVO 3D's hboot 1.4 back...
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using XDA
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what happens when you try to go to recovery...
i would just reflash a recoveyr in fastboot. cant hurt.
What it does is as soon as it boots to recovery, I see it load the recovery and then as soon as it loads, it's as if the phone automatically selects the reboot option and goes back through the normal boot no matter which method I use to boot into recovery.
I've done the fastboot method which flashed successfully, tried to re-flash clockwork using rom manager, scott's tool, adb & fastboot, also used scott's flash tool which was also successful and it just seems as if recovery mode is borked somehow and using these methods to go back to AmonRa produce the same result. I'm usually good at figuring these things out myself since I've been rooting and flashing since my first Sprint HTC Hero, EVO 4G, 3D, Epic 4G/Touch and I've never had anything like this happen before. Completely stumped .
Have done a search and haven't found anyone with the same issue so I have nothing prior to go off of. The phone works fine for now so I'm in no hurry since I still have root and thankfully Titanium Backup for my apps. Not sure what to try next at this point.
ojdidit84 said:
What it does is as soon as it boots to recovery, I see it load the recovery and then as soon as it loads, it's as if the phone automatically selects the reboot option and goes back through the normal boot no matter which method I use to boot into recovery.
I've done the fastboot method which flashed successfully, tried to re-flash clockwork, also used scott's flash tool which was also successful and it just seems as if recovery mode is borked somehow. I'm usually good at figuring these things out myself since I've been rooting and flashing since my first Sprint HTC Hero, EVO 4G, 3D, Epic 4G/Touch and I've never had anything like this happen before. Completely stumped .
Have done a search and haven't found anyone with the same issue so I have nothing prior to go off of. The phone works fine for now so I'm in no hurry since I still have root and thankfully Titanium Backup for my apps. Not sure what to try next at this point.
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From hboot, choose factory reset and see if it boots you into recovery. I had a similar issue after running the new RUU, once I chose that it booted into custom recovery and i was able to reboot and then afterwards had no trouble accessing recovery.
mjh68 said:
From hboot, choose factory reset and see if it boots you into recovery. I had a similar issue after running the new RUU, once I chose that it booted into custom recovery and i was able to reboot and then afterwards had no trouble accessing recovery.
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Ok. I'll give that a whirl in the morning and see if it solves the problem.
Bump... I'm stuck with this issue...
Hi,
Spent the last two days trying everything I could think of to get a custom recovery loaded on my rezound with no luck. Have searched everywhere and short of trying to hex edit some code nothing has worked.
I was on a custom ICS rom and applied the 4.03.605.2 RUU (hboot 2.27). Was S-ON with unlocked bootloader. I locked the bootloader, installed RUU successfully, unlocked the bootloader with my token. I tried flashing amon-ra, CWM, TWRP many versions of each by fastboot and hboot (PH98IMG). The custom recovery is successfully written in each case, but i can't successfully boot into the recovery partition either from fastboot or hboot menu option. I can write the recovery.img file from the RUU zip, and all is good. Ultimately, I am just trying to install a custom ROM/root my device.
I tried the above advice about performing a factory reset. No Dice. So for now, I am stuck in Verizon bloatware land, and very unhappy about it.
Suggestions welcome. Thanks everyone.
phaedrus43 said:
Hi,
Spent the last two days trying everything I could think of to get a custom recovery loaded on my rezound with no luck. Have searched everywhere and short of trying to hex edit some code nothing has worked.
I was on a custom ICS rom and applied the 4.03.605.2 RUU (hboot 2.27). Was S-ON with unlocked bootloader. I locked the bootloader, installed RUU successfully, unlocked the bootloader with my token. I tried flashing amon-ra, CWM, TWRP many versions of each by fastboot and hboot (PH98IMG). The custom recovery is successfully written in each case, but i can't successfully boot into the recovery partition either from fastboot or hboot menu option. I can write the recovery.img file from the RUU zip, and all is good. Ultimately, I am just trying to install a custom ROM/root my device.
I tried the above advice about performing a factory reset. No Dice. So for now, I am stuck in Verizon bloatware land, and very unhappy about it.
Suggestions welcome. Thanks everyone.
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Hook up to PC. the phone can actually adb when turned off. or make sure ROM is booted with ADB turned on. It should connect to adb. Does it? Then your command would be "adb reboot recovery" after you have flashed a custom recovery. So what does it do when you try to enter recovery?
Thanks. Did try that, but not with phone off. I'll try both for good measure and let you know. Thank you fly...
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Flyhalf205 said:
Hook up to PC. the phone can actually adb when turned off. or make sure ROM is booted with ADB turned on. It should connect to adb. Does it? Then your command would be "adb reboot recovery" after you have flashed a custom recovery. So what does it do when you try to enter recovery?
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Hi Fly,
I was unable to get adb to see the phone when it was off with either a custom recovery or the stock recovery. When I rebooted to recovery from adb with a custom recovery installed, it attempts to boot to the recovery partition but fails and boots back to the OS (this is true when using adb, fastboot, and hboot to boot to recovery). When i reinstalled the stock recovery, it successfully boots to recovery using all methods.
i have tried other custom recovery versions, TWRP (preferred), AMON-RA, CWM Recovery...
annoyed.
Thanks Fly. Any other ideas?
phaedrus43 said:
Hi Fly,
I was unable to get adb to see the phone when it was off with either a custom recovery or the stock recovery. When I rebooted to recovery from adb with a custom recovery installed, it attempts to boot to the recovery partition but fails and boots back to the OS (this is true when using adb, fastboot, and hboot to boot to recovery). When i reinstalled the stock recovery, it successfully boots to recovery using all methods.
i have tried other custom recovery versions, TWRP (preferred), AMON-RA, CWM Recovery...
annoyed.
Thanks Fly. Any other ideas?
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I'm out of ideas. Since your s-on you can't go down to the OTA RUU and try there. Maybe someone else can spread some light.
Well one more idea. Boot your phone into Fastboot. Plug into computer and download a custom recovery to your computer. The command to use is "fastboot boot recovery.img"
If that does work then download http://downloads.noshufou.netdna-cdn.com/superuser/Superuser-3.1.3-arm-signed.zip and flash it inside of recovery. That will give you root inside your stock rom at least.
Flyhalf205 said:
I'm out of ideas. Since your s-on you can't go down to the OTA RUU and try there. Maybe someone else can spread some light.
Well one more idea. Boot your phone into Fastboot. Plug into computer and download a custom recovery to your computer. The command to use is "fastboot boot recovery.img"
If that does work then download http://downloads.noshufou.netdna-cdn.com/superuser/Superuser-3.1.3-arm-signed.zip and flash it inside of recovery. That will give you root inside your stock rom at least.
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Hi Fly,
Nothing doing. Can't flash the attached in stock recovery, can't boot into any recoveries with stock flashed or with custom recovery flashed. Seems there must be some new security built into the new RUU? I did note one thing. When I first flash the RUU the hboot banner says relocked (as i have to relock to install an RUU). However, as soon as I flash anything to the recovery partition it adds a new white on black banner that says tampered. Now, i have seen that before when I s-off'd my rezound previously (returned to verizon for audio problems). I never did s-off this particular phone. I don't recall my first phone flagging a new recovery or this phone flagging a new recovery on the old firmware (i could be wrong though as i don't spend a lot of time in hboot).
Still hoping to put a custom recovery on this. Any other way to load a custom rom? i really want to run Neo's AOKP, as I had that on here before I RUU'd. In fact, i got into this position because I was going to s-off the phone, but I had a custom rom. I started looking for RUU's to restore to stock because controlbear wouldn't work with custom rom. Instead of installing an early ICS again, i opted to install the latest RUU.
I searched the forums high and low and wasn't really able to find anyone with this problem. I wonder if there is something wrong with the RUU? I checked the MD5sum and it matched. When flashing recovery i checked the mainver too, so it isn't that... I'm stumped.
This phone wasn't real popular and is gettting old now (man, the lifecycle on phones suck, I had my N1 through many roms and AOSP releases! These new phones are gone in 6 months, a year tops). I doubt anyone is going to trouble themselves to crack a new HBOOT on this phone (this is 2.27).
Only other things i can think (and I haven't tried yet) is trying zergRushing it for temp root to at least remove/freeze the bloat like I did with this phone when I first got it. Or if I can just get a rom installed without a custom recovery I don't flash as often as I used to and figure an upgrade isn't long off. Or if i could downgrade the hboot or install jb hboot...
Would love it if someone had something new to try.
Thanks so much again Fly and happy holidays.
Success! (but how?)
Ok Fly,
I don't get it... not at all. I tried, just for the hell of it, a little more tonight and my phone was happy to flashboot boot TWRP 2.2.2.1 SPECIFICALLY. I was unable to get other versions working or other custom recoveries. I have no IDEA why. I can only think that the recovery partition is too small for some recovery.imgs? but 2.2.2.1 is actually bigger than 2.3.3.0 that you compiled for the rezound. Anyway, i have ROOT! now, my first step before I dork with anything is to S-Off this bad boy so i can move around a little more. I will probably still leave the locked bootloader after that, just to keep me from n00bing up. Haven't tried flashing the twrp recovery yet, don't want to goof up my S-off chances or not give you a chance to ask a question.
If you want some forensics to help others out, please let me know. I am gonna leave this phone alone for a day in case you have questions. There HAS to be some lesson in here. Totally random to me. (last thought) i was running 2.2.2.1 before I ran the RUU... wonder if that has something to do with it?
Thanks again Fly.
phaedrus43 said:
Ok Fly,
I don't get it... not at all. I tried, just for the hell of it, a little more tonight and my phone was happy to flashboot boot TWRP 2.2.2.1 SPECIFICALLY. I was unable to get other versions working or other custom recoveries. I have no IDEA why. I can only think that the recovery partition is too small for some recovery.imgs? but 2.2.2.1 is actually bigger than 2.3.3.0 that you compiled for the rezound. Anyway, i have ROOT! now, my first step before I dork with anything is to S-Off this bad boy so i can move around a little more. I will probably still leave the locked bootloader after that, just to keep me from n00bing up. Haven't tried flashing the twrp recovery yet, don't want to goof up my S-off chances or not give you a chance to ask a question.
If you want some forensics to help others out, please let me know. I am gonna leave this phone alone for a day in case you have questions. There HAS to be some lesson in here. Totally random to me. (last thought) i was running 2.2.2.1 before I ran the RUU... wonder if that has something to do with it?
Thanks again Fly.
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Anytime :fingers-crossed:
Crazy how things work like this. But the recovery partition shouldn't be to small to flash a custom recovery. Good luck. Just sounds like one of those rare things that happens.

[Q] Boot loop after flash of ICS rom

Hello all, first poster here and i wish it were under better circumstances...
I found a thread earlier tonight for Cyanogenmod 9 ICS for my Evo 3d and it installed perfectly, rebooted and now it just gets to the HTC screen and reboots itself over and over.
I tried holding down and the power button and i can get to H-Boot, but selecting recovery or factory reset just sends me to fastboot which is just the options to reboot or power down.
Anyone have any ideas for a fix?
please? anyone? i'm desperate!
Are you CDMA or GSM?
Also what Hboot are you ?
What happens when you try your recovery? Does it go back to hboot? Have you read through the thread that you got that rom from? To check to see if the OP has a workaround for it?
hey thanks for replying, currently using:
HBOOT 1.40
CDMA
If i select recovery or factory reset, it shows me the HTC screen, vibrates and sends me to fastboot. Yeah, I read that thread and I didn't see anyone that was having the same problem and I can't post and ask because I'm a new user.
What recovery are you using? I would mount the sdcard to a computer put a update .zip with the recovery on it, boot into bootloader and let it do its thing,
we are android, android is us

HELP with ICS update problems!

Can someone please help me?
So, I allowed my phone to update to ICS overnight, when I woke up, it was stuck on the HTC loading screen. I've tried everything I could think of with the limitations that I can't fastboot flash... I've tried to flash RUU from recovery, the PNG89.zip thing... and even wiping... I can't enter my phone except for recovery, and my computer can't find my phone because the settings are changed on my phone, so I can't change it. I can't do any fastboot flash commands which sucks... can someone please help me?
airhead2015 said:
Can someone please help me?
So, I allowed my phone to update to ICS overnight, when I woke up, it was stuff on the HTC loading screen. I've tried everything I could think of with the limitations that I can't fastboot flash... I've tried to flash RUU from recovery, the PNG89.zip thing... and even wiping... I can't enter my phone except for recovery, and my computer can't find my phone because the settings are changed on my phone, so I can't change it. I can't do any fastboot flash commands which sucks... can someone please help me?
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Unlock using the HTCDev method, flash a new recovery and flash the rom at the link below, it's a rooted version of the ICS update
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1808150
This SHOULD get your phone working again
I'm guessing you were rooted and then took the OTA update, which you should never do.
I wasn't rooted, I just did the HTC bootloader unlock... I still had custom ROM and everything since at the time I did it, no ROMs supported the bootloader... and now i just don't feel like putting ROMs on... so it's stock ROM, but 4ext recovery. I'm sending the phone in for repair... I'm just gonna have to pay a bit because of the recovery...

[Q] Probably bricked onex+

Hi.
Iv messed around a bit too much with my phone and im now at the stage where i am unable to get into recovery or factory reset with clockwork mod. all i can use is fastboot
when i start the phone up i get stuck in the HTC screen... iv previously tried pushing a rom to the phone then flashing the boot.img but iv royally screwed it up.
is there any way i can revive the phone from the position im in or is it game over?
shaw194 said:
Hi.
Iv messed around a bit too much with my phone and im now at the stage where i am unable to get into recovery or factory reset with clockwork mod. all i can use is fastboot
when i start the phone up i get stuck in the HTC screen... iv previously tried pushing a rom to the phone then flashing the boot.img but iv royally screwed it up.
is there any way i can revive the phone from the position im in or is it game over?
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I did basically the same thing a few days ago (I think). Have you seen Hasoon's toolkit? Install and open it and under the links section go for the stock RUU. Download and run it and all should be well.
jrockwell said:
I did basically the same thing a few days ago (I think). Have you seen Hasoon's toolkit? Install and open it and under the links section go for the stock RUU. Download and run it and all should be well.
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do you have a link for it please. all seeming well seems unlikely
shaw194 said:
do you have a link for it please. all seeming well seems unlikely
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Here's a link for the toolkit:
http://d-h.st/users/hasoon2000/?fld_id=7459#files
Download and install it, and then click on the RUU link. I know how you must be feeling man...it sucks to be the proud owner of a new $700 paperweight. From what I gather without S-OFF (which as far as I know isn't possible yet on the One X+) it's incredibly rare to completely brick a phone...so don't lose hope
Personally, I would go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2094118 and download the ruu that is applicable to your phone, then I would use hassons toolkit to relock your bootloader. Then boot phone into fastboot adb, and just run the ruu. I have seen it take two runs to work at times, but I've never seen a true brick. As long as the something lights up when you plug it in, ruu's will save you. then just start all over with unlock bootloader, root, flash recovery, and the rom of your choice.
Since HTC ONE X+ is still S-ON it is barely impossible to brick.
If you can reach bootloader (fastboot mode) then simply flash the correspondant Recovery, clear cache (fasboot erase cache) then unplug your USB cable press on Power button one time, Volume down one time time to select Recovery and validate by Power again, your phone should reboot in Recovery.
Lucky Thirteen said:
Since HTC ONE X+ is still S-ON it is barely impossible to brick.
If you can reach bootloader (fastboot mode) then simply flash the correspondant Recovery, clear cache (fasboot erase cache) then unplug your USB cable press on Power button one time, Volume down one time time to select Recovery and validate by Power again, your phone should reboot in Recovery.
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How do you flash an RUU?
I have the same Problem. An RUU is an .exe file. You only have to run it.
My Problem is that the battery is under 30% and i dont have any idea why its not charging
Did this get resolved, the RUU is an exe not a zip hasoon asks for a zip?
Can someone guide me please?
eskimosound said:
Did this get resolved, the RUU is an exe not a zip hasoon asks for a zip?
Can someone guide me please?
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I too kinda bricked my hox+ evitareul i have cwm installed but my partitions are all formatted and cwm cannot mount system data or cache and adb side load won't work because of the partitions being erased...i unlocked at htc dev then flashed cwm in fast boot but i did it on a mac so i think thats what messed it up...when the recovery flashed it also formatted the partitions...idk why...Hboot can't scan for anything i get "can't mount usb master system" in hoot...recovery works fine but i can't flash anything...going to try a rue to get me back hopefully...Do you guys think it will fix me in my case? if it can fix me it definitely can help you^^^
It's probably not charging because your recovery might not support offline charging...I charged my hox+ by letting it boot into system even though there was no Rom...if you look closely when it boots the screen will dim and so will the red led in the speaker...when it dims it means it's charging and this works no matter what recovery or Rom you have but your screen will display HTC the entire time it's charging...took me about 45 minutes to get above 30% then I flashed the sense 5 rUU and now I'm back lol...hope I helped
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Screen Replacement - Phone won't boot

Replaced the screen on my Rezound and now I cannot get past the HTC white splash screen.
I can get in to BOOTLOADER and I found the VIGOR image on the SDCARD. It attempts to install but still can't get past the HTC splash screen.
Any help would be appreciative.
Is your phone rooted/unlocked? Can you get into fastboot or recovery? What ROM were you running?
acejavelin said:
Is your phone rooted/unlocked? Can you get into fastboot or recovery? What ROM were you running?
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I was running CleanROM Standard. S-ON, with root. If I go in to RECOVERY the screen hits the HTC Flash then goes blank.
Thanks for the quick reply, hope to get back up and running soon.
Something is definitely messed up, so you can't even get into recovery?
Sounds like you lost your flash somehow. Can you "fastboot boot recovery.img" of TWRP or Amon Ra (I assume you were using AR since you were on CleanROM), and browse the partitions and see if the files are there? My best guess is you are gonna have to start clean, flash recovery, flash rom, fastboot flash boot boot.img, and see what happens. If that fails I would look at flashing the corresponding RUU to your Hboot version.
Ok.. I will give it a try. I have the Rezound All-In-One Toolkit, so I should be able to do this without any issues.
If I am wrong in my assumption, please let me know.
AzBrewsky said:
Ok.. I will give it a try. I have the Rezound All-In-One Toolkit, so I should be able to do this without any issues.
If I am wrong in my assumption, please let me know.
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Ok.. This is what happened.. I removed my SDCARD and loaded BOOTLOADER. I went in to FASTBOOT and ran Hasoon's All In One kit for the Rezound and flashed recovery. I attempted to go in to RECOVERY and I get a blank screen. What I did notice is the loading bar on the right side of the screen never showed it was loading anything. The phone went to black screen, then nothing.
Until I can get in to RECOVERY, I can't load a ROM.
I even went to the command prompt and attempted to run it there, with no luck.
Update: OK.. I thought I would start over with the All In One tool. Seems my token key had changed. I got a new TokenID file from HTC and unlocked the bootloader (even though it was already unlocked) and ran the recovery. But I still get the same issue when entering in to recovery...
FML..
Skip the all in one tool kit... it's nice but you need to do this manually. Use the Fastboot commands to BOOT recovery manually, not flash it.
fastboot boot recovery.img (or whatever the name of the recovery image file is)
acejavelin said:
Skip the all in one tool kit... it's nice but you need to do this manually. Use the Fastboot commands to BOOT recovery manually, not flash it.
fastboot boot recovery.img (or whatever the name of the recovery image file is)
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Manually attempted everything.. Lock, Unlock, fastboot boot, fastboot flash recovery, and nada..
AzBrewsky said:
Replaced the screen on my Rezound and now I cannot get past the HTC white splash screen.
I can get in to BOOTLOADER and I found the VIGOR image on the SDCARD. It attempts to install but still can't get past the HTC splash screen.
Any help would be appreciative.
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I replaced my screen and had EXACTLY the same problem. My phone was fine for a couple of days and then this problem started. I have tried fastboot, loading zips from the ext card, everything you have tried except Hasoon's AIO. Nothing worked. I am also S-on & rooted. I was running Infection 8.2.1 and TWERP 2.6.3.0. I haven't flashed anything in many weeks. I didn't install any new apps. When I boot I get the htc flash screen for a few seconds and then a black screen.
geronimo48 said:
I replaced my screen and had EXACTLY the same problem. My phone was fine for a couple of days and then this problem started. I have tried fastboot, loading zips from the ext card, everything you have tried except Hasoon's AIO. Nothing worked. I am also S-on & rooted. I was running Infection 8.2.1 and TWERP 2.6.3.0. I haven't flashed anything in many weeks. I didn't install any new apps. When I boot I get the htc flash screen for a few seconds and then a black screen.
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So you are in the same boat as I.. Nothing has worked..
I bought a used phone from Craigslist and have it running now.. I will be installing a ROM soon and then claiming insurance on the busted phone and pay the extortion fee to get another one.. I will end up with two Rezounds (I love this phone) and rooting them both and either have one for a backup or sell it to a friend for pennies on the dollar (what are friends for?)..
Otherwise I now consider it dead.. I will trash this phone to insure my insurance company can't start it to see that it has been rooted. Screw them..
Best of luck on your phone, but I have spent too much time on this one.. Better luck next time for us both..
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