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While this might not be possible with a Droid Eris, I would like to suggest possibly looking into a MeeGo OS port for Android Phones. http://meego.com/
I have no experience in coding, but am a heavy design fanatic. I know Photoshop like the back of my hand, to sum it all up. If anyone is interested in working on a project like this, MeeGo Day 1 has launched: meaning that the source code for mobile devices is now available. There are pre-compiled binaries available on the meego home page.
It's important to note that MeeGo is meant for Moorestown CPU devices at this time, so it will DEFINITELY not run on a Droid Eris at this time, or any other android devices.
I think that with some tweaks to the source however, it can be compiled into a binary to run off of android phones. I might be wrong in assuming this, but I believe it would be possible; especially on high end phones such as the Droid X, Samsung Galaxy S, the Evo 4G, or Droid 2.
As a owner of an eris though, I would think that maybe, with a lot of community support, and a lot of developers, we could get this to work. MeeGo has been nothing but a dream OS on my netbook; running the mobile version would be fantastic.
I'm posting this in Eris General as opposed to Android General, because I want to see what people think of the idea: users and developers. Vote on the poll if you think it's worth a shot from the development side of things.
ARM-Based Image creation.
Scratch what I said in the post above, there IS an ARM build available. It is important to note that it is meant for the N900, and that the N900 has a processor speed of around 600 MHz. Seeing as the Eris is overclockable to about 806 (stable), I think this would run rather well on an Eris.
Here are instructions for compiling an image for the N900:
http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Creating_ARM_image_using_MeeGo_Image_Creator
So, what do you guys think? I don't think we have to worry about performance as much as usability at this time. MeeGo Mobile still isn't complete, and is still in development stages. Also, allowing another OS to install versus Android would be mighty hard...
I think this is a great idea as MeeGo is looking like it could be great. I do hope that when it is a more mature OS we will see some people porting to devices like the Nexus One or other higher end devices. But since it runs on the N900 I suppose any even mid range device would work. I am surprised nobody has commented on this yet.
I'm surprised too I completely forgot I even posted this! We were discussing in Android Development, someone brought up the possibility of moving Ubuntu or another linux distro onto the Eris.
We discovered that MeeGo is optimized for both ARM and Moorestown devices, specifically the ARM devices are: the N900, and The N8xO devices.
The most important thing here, is that the N8xO devices use almost the exact same processor as the Eris, making optimization something that would be pretty easy. I'm by no means a coder, I've just been watching MeeGo develop for some time, and interest in porting Linux to Android phones has been spiking.
I currently run MeeGo on my sister's netbook, and it's a dream. It's wicked fast on that little netbook.
ForwardTwo said:
I'm surprised too I completely forgot I even posted this! We were discussing in Android Development, someone brought up the possibility of moving Ubuntu or another linux distro onto the Eris.
We discovered that MeeGo is optimized for both ARM and Moorestown devices, specifically the ARM devices are: the N900, and The N8xO devices.
The most important thing here, is that the N8xO devices use almost the exact same processor as the Eris, making optimization something that would be pretty easy. I'm by no means a coder, I've just been watching MeeGo develop for some time, and interest in porting Linux to Android phones has been spiking.
I currently run MeeGo on my sister's netbook, and it's a dream. It's wicked fast on that little netbook.
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I also tried MeeGo out on a netbook, works very well but is almost exactly what Moblin was so really not much has been done to that. But this is very odd and still no other comments and I am no coder either, I wish I was lol.
I have seen Debian and Ubuntu run on the N1 as well.
I know this is an idiot question.
But I want to fire a subject to let people think about!
It would be good if we can experience this marvelous OS on this cheap device
Possible, but considering the fact that WM is a proprietary OS, porting it to something it wasn't meant for is extremely hard, but I think is still possible.
Windows 7 is not an open operating system. So there will never be a port. And even if it would be possible, there would be still missing hardware drivers...
Well, even if they could, why would someone try to port WM7 when we've got Android, which is pretty damn awesome with almost no restrictions...?
reminds me of porting android to the kaiser, but with far more problems...
if there were a wp7 device with similar specs it could be made possible.
but, as the previous post says, what's the point?
android for kaiser was a good-ish idea, as wm6 is... well... wm6.
well. just have a look at HD2
My colleague has just put DarkForceTeam WP7 Rom to HD2, I found it was really wonderful.
If we can do something like this to our P500, that would be marvelous. We have a big chance to enjoy an absolutely new OS on our cheap cellphone.
I still hope and thank to some developers who can do this.
I don't see any reason, why somebody should port this bad os to the optimus one.
Sorry for WP7 bashing
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I don't see any reason, why somebody should port this bad os to the optimus one.
Sorry for WP7 bashing
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What if for some reason there's a WP7 rom for the O1, and that it doesn't have the touchscreen lag bug. Would you switch?
Still don't think i would do that, doubt WP7 will be as successful as Android.
herohut said:
well. just have a look at HD2
My colleague has just put DarkForceTeam WP7 Rom to HD2, I found it was really wonderful.
If we can do something like this to our P500, that would be marvelous. We have a big chance to enjoy an absolutely new OS on our cheap cellphone.
I still hope and thank to some developers who can do this.
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And so.......Exactly WHEN Android became a "non New OS" ??
Someone thinks that Android is the BEST OS for smartphone..............
Other people thinks that iOS is the BEST OS for smartphone............
BUT all thinks that Microsoft Mobile (6.5 - 7) is the WORST OS for smartphone.........
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And so.......Exactly WHEN Android became a "non New OS" ??
BUT all thinks that Microsoft Mobile (6.5 - 7) is the WORST OS for smartphone.........
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Was there anyone who said this idiot thing 3-4 years ago?
If there is a new thing born, idiot people will have a new chance to compare with the previous ones.
If you first look at the home screen of an iOS, an Android, a Bada OS, Windows Mobile menu: ohhhhh, icons, icons and icons, yes they are almost similar, even in more details. From years to years, they are still almost similar. And if you first look at a Windows Phone 7 phone: ohhhhh different, you can realize the difference even if you don't like that style.
If you research more and learn about the technical things, you will find that the collection of these OS are all based on Linux. Windows Phone 7 is absolutely new architecture which is built by user experiences of Microsoft in years.
BUT don't put the idiot words on Windows Phone 7 if you haven't touched it even just once.
My personal idea: use Windows Phone 7: professional OS
@herohut:
I see your profile picture is the XAML logo, which means you are probably a fan of Microsoft. I myself like to use WPF, .NET, C# and Microsoft technologies, and I'll explain why.
It's not about the look of Windows 7 or MSN. Microsoft deserves respect. If you look back into history, or even now in Wikipedia, you will see that there are two families of operating systems - UNIX and Windows. UNIX once included the true UNIX, but now almost all of UNIX operating systems are based on Linux; some on BSD; some on Solaris; and off course Apple's Mac OS and iOS. The core difference between Windows-based and UNIX-like operating systems is that ALMOST all (not all) of the UNIX-like operating systems are open-source.
Off course, it is not bad for a software to be open-source, but the main problem is that almost every developer makes his own variation of the software, resulting in instability. There is no way to proove it, but everybody here should agree with it.
On the other hand, Microsoft is a developer of proprietary software, which is not only stable, but rich-featured and customizable. It is not a secret that most of Windows, Office, Visual Studio and other Microsoft products can be programatically controlled, yet closed-source. Microsoft is the developer of high-end costumer software, which means the software requirments often fulfill the quality of the software.
Linux and most UNIX-like operating systems are intended for use in either weak machines, or on supercomputers. It is also known that Windows 7 can use maximum 192 GB RAM (Which is sad for supercomputers). As a very minimalistic and customizable kernel, Linux can be tweaked to work even on a piece of wood.
So for a customer use OS, I say Windows.
As for base-level modifications, advanced features and supercomputer usage, I say Linux.
EDIT: To be on-topic:
Microsoft says it is good to have a 1GHz processor to run Windows Phone. From personal experience I can tell that it is better to buy a phone with a 1GHz processor than to modify Windows Phone to run on Optimus One. The reason is simple - preformance.
So, if you want Windows on your Optimus One, simply make a Windows Mobile 6.5/6.5.1 firmware.
And if you want to develop with familiar to you techologies, simply visit monodroid.net
Very well spoken ianis.. I will have to agree with this Guy.
And I will say at very least run 1gb for optimistic to run a wp7 port..
But im content with what I have been given for the dollars I paid.
carry on...
Astroturf?
You can off course theme the Optimus One to look like Windows Phone, but I have noticed lately that most "visual themes" are just a piece of ...err...trash.
While I was waiting for Windows 7 to come out, I decided to theme a XP machine to look like 7, just for fun.
When I searched "XP themes", I noticed that more than 95% of the results were: XP theme for ME, Vista theme for XP and 7 theme for Vista. I asked myself "Why?". There wasn't any difference. The same themes from page to page. All people just wanted to make their old OS look newer, probably without even knowing that it is possible to upgrade Windows. I noticed the same thing around here: many newbies requested a Gingerbread theme. Not even the music equalizer. I felt somehow...strange seeing people mad for a new look of their battery/WiFi icon. And not just a new look. The SAME as Gingerbread's.
I don't even believe that these people know what a system process is. And they don't care for it. They are all ready to pay money for a Gingerbread theme!
Sorry, I've gone slightly mad, but I now I feel somehow relaxed after sharing my opinion.
Ianis G. Vasilev said:
@herohut:
I see your profile picture is the XAML logo, which means you are probably a fan of Microsoft. I myself like to use WPF, .NET, C# and Microsoft technologies, and I'll explain why.
It's not about the look of Windows 7 or MSN. Microsoft deserves respect. If you look back into history, or even now in Wikipedia, you will see that there are two families of operating systems - UNIX and Windows. UNIX once included the true UNIX, but now almost all of UNIX operating systems are based on Linux; some on BSD; some on Solaris; and off course Apple's Mac OS and iOS. The core difference between Windows-based and UNIX-like operating systems is that ALMOST all (not all) of the UNIX-like operating systems are open-source.
Off course, it is not bad for a software to be open-source, but the main problem is that almost every developer makes his own variation of the software, resulting in instability. There is no way to proove it, but everybody here should agree with it.
On the other hand, Microsoft is a developer of proprietary software, which is not only stable, but rich-featured and customizable. It is not a secret that most of Windows, Office, Visual Studio and other Microsoft products can be programatically controlled, yet closed-source. Microsoft is the developer of high-end costumer software, which means the software requirments often fulfill the quality of the software.
Linux and most UNIX-like operating systems are intended for use in either weak machines, or on supercomputers. It is also known that Windows 7 can use maximum 192 GB RAM (Which is sad for supercomputers). As a very minimalistic and customizable kernel, Linux can be tweaked to work even on a piece of wood.
So for a customer use OS, I say Windows.
As for base-level modifications, advanced features and supercomputer usage, I say Linux.
EDIT: To be on-topic:
Microsoft says it is good to have a 1GHz processor to run Windows Phone. From personal experience I can tell that it is better to buy a phone with a 1GHz processor than to modify Windows Phone to run on Optimus One. The reason is simple - preformance.
So, if you want Windows on your Optimus One, simply make a Windows Mobile 6.5/6.5.1 firmware.
And if you want to develop with familiar to you techologies, simply visit monodroid.net
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I am absolutely agreed with this guy and thank you for your good idea.
I have certainly known the requirements that Microsoft forced hardware manufactures to follow: these are the standard to obtain 100% performance of WP7
But there's one thing to remark: Windows Phone 7 is not as heavy as it is thought to be. 1GHz CPU mades WP7 running very fast (as in HD2), i feel that if we have WP7 running on OptimusOne at 60% performance of WP7 standard (40% slower) [600MHz/1GHz * 100% = 60%], it will be still fast enough for us to enjoy WP7. Just see how much slower the OptimusOne runs in comparison to other Android smartphones with 1GHz.
And yes, I am a fan of Microsoft software technologies, especially the thing on my avatar, it is extremely faster to write something that runs on WP7 than in other OS
I'm currently trying to MOD HD2's Windows Phone MOD
(It's fun MODing MODs...)
Hey! I'm trying to play with HD2 WP7 DarkForces Team ROM, too. But I am just a beginner in this MOD world, trying to find out if it is possible to run WP7 on my Optimus One.
Invoke me if you need someone to mod together.
WP7 wonderful os? LOL
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Incompatible processor...not only the cycles per second, but the instructions. WP7 requires an ARM7 processor with extentions. To run it on an ARM6 Cortex there are two ways:
Hypervisor virtualization - should be very complex;
Decompile the WP7 binary and recompile it with all stock drivers remastered. Sounds harder but is probably easier.
Any help will be accepted.
This may sound like a totally naive question. I've asked it to myself a few times but with all the wailing and gnashing of teeth today about Nvidia not supporting newer android releases I have to ask. I have two gtabs and I've tried installing a number of different roms with different kernels and while some are definitely zippier than others and some look a little different, they are basically all the same (stock roms excluded of course). I've wondered what having a gingerbread or honeycomb android system would really mean for me on the gtab. I do a lot of work with VM machines - mostly running Windows. Outside of the fact that Microsoft also won't write drivers for some newer hardware for older operating systems, I don't see a lot of difference between say Windows 2000, XP and even W7 (other than W7 makes everything I do harder). I can run most application fine on any of them. I'm sure that under the covers there is some different functionality and even improvements but for the user experience - I'm hard pressed to explain why someone should dump their stable and working fine XP for a W7 machine unless of course there is some device or application that has been specifically coded not to work with XP. For example: Google Chrome and Firefox run on XP and W7 but the new Internet Exploder from MS won't run on XP. That was clearly a deliberate choice by MS because the other guys can all run. Sorry rambling a bit here but that leads to my question. What would I gain by having honeycomb running on my g-tab? The applications would all still be the same I imagine. Perhaps the performance would be a little better? Perhaps I might have a few OS type enhancements? But, at the end of the day, what would I really see as the true benefit of having a honeycomb android system running a dev built rom? I'm not being facetious here - I really would like to understand why this is so important to everyone. Hopefully the answer is something technical and not just "because it is newer so it must be better." What am I missing?
hi enigma,
It is a good question that you have asked and I certainly understand where you are coming from and tbh I am certainly no expert and maybe not best placed to try and give an answer!
I think honeycomb as a version is particularly sought after simply because of the fact that it was built from the bottom up as a tablet OS. You would have to assume that this would increase ease of use, functionality and aesthetics. I reckon this is quite a big deal. I have a couple of android phones and the g tablet and I would prefer for my tablet to look and feel different from my phones.
I think another reason is that people are very keen to be running honeycomb on a relatively cheap tablet – honeycomb tablets are coming out at around double the price of the g tab. The chance to say a big fu*k you to those prices is I guess quite exciting.
Finally, I think as you mentioned, people have a desire to have the newest things. This is just human nature and I am the same – bit pathetic maybe but that is just how it is.
Anyways, these are basically the reasons why I personally would love a bit of honeycomb on my g tab!
Before we start this discussion, i'd just like to say that the devs are doing a brilliant job of bringing android flavours to the Touchpad and this discussion should in no way be a deterrent to them doing their work.
Is it just me or is the touchpad a neglected device in terms of development compared to other tablets? i.e. asus, samsung, htc.
There are a huge number of devs and a wide variety of custom ROMS, themed ROMS, ported ROMS, Mods the list goes on and on.
As far as I'm aware of the problems (feel free to correct me) the source for half the hardware hasn't been released (such as the webcam) etc etc. so it kind of makes it very very difficult if not impossible to experiment with different ROMS.
Yes some out there can say to me "buy a tablet that was meant to run android next time" fair enough. But is it alot to expect the same level of development as usual android tablets?
webOS is very lovely but it doesn't cut it for me in terms of customisation (even with some of the childish looking themes on preware). CM9 has its issues still with regards to not everything working yet, but even when it's complete i still miss simple conveniences like VPN and connect WiFi using WPS automatically to name a few.
So can we expect that kind of development? or is it too much to ask.
I doubt we'll have Samsung level development, but that's true of any non-Samsung device. Have no idea why they're so popular, but usually the size of their dev communities put others to shame.
As you've pointed out, we don't have all our hardware working right now. Between that and the fact that CM9 itself (as a whole, not just the TP Version) is incomplete, its no wonder there's only two or three roms. Many people make their roms using another as a base, be it a stock firmware (of which the TP obviously does not have) or CM. Since CM9 is in a constant state of flux, there's no solid base for the TP yet.
As it is, we have the CM9 alpha, CM9 weeklies, AOPK, Unofficial Cornerstone kangs, MIUI, Classicnerd, Cherrykang... and that's just ICS based stuff. Add in Gingerbread roms and non-Android OSs like Ubuntu and you'll find we have a quite a good selection already.
my gripe with gingerbread ROMS is not as some people say "phone rom on a tablet" its just the fact that the apps recognize it as a phone and ruins the whole thing.
apart from MIUI, alot of the other ROMS look and feel pretty similar to me and there isn't much that sets them apart. granted cm9 is in its infancy (EVERYWHERE including my evo 3D, google definitely not redeeming itself over this update fiasco). I haven't really sampled Ubuntu to make a judgement on it.
I suppose if one was to put together something original a) it would be so hard people wouldn't bother attempting it cuz it's just too time consuming b) it'd be like making a lovely dish from leftovers....kernel's modified and compiled from things like htc jetstream (and rumor has it the GS2 on AT&T), ROMS put together from 7" android tablets most of which have the same resolution as the touchpad so it'll make life easier with respect to resizing.... again too much effort and time consuming to be worthwhile
I feel the TouchPad has great development. Especially when you consider a vast majority of the devices were sold before android was put on the device. When the fire sales happened the people that bought them didn't know android was going to be put on it. So anyone that wanted to play with android or build ROMs probably got an android tablet.
There will never be a full stock optimized android build. With the Samsung devices they have a solid start point, and a manufacturer that is devoted to the success of the device. HP has washed its hands of the TouchPad more or less. Everything done to get android on the TouchPad had been done by volunteers, without the resources really needed.
Samsung just generally makes things easiest for people to hack it. HTC and Asus ship their devices with locked bootloaders. Samsung doesn't, so they have one less hurdle right from the get go. The other side of that is Samsung makes great hardware, and decent software. This is easier to show in the phones. HTC makes good phones, but there is two or three extra hurdles that don't exist on Samsung phones. LG phones also don't have those hurdles, but their hardware isn't as good, and they are notoriously bad at getting android updates out.
Another thing to consider is the quality of android overall on a tablet. There is minimal tablet apps, and little motivation. Apple bet their company on the success of the iPad, Microsoft is doing the same with Windows 8. If either of them fail at their tablet product their entire company is in jeopardy. But Google wouldn't notice if android tablets fail, and flop. The entire thing to them is like a hobby. I think if android tablets were more popular in general we would see a lot more going on here. The fact that the TouchPad has sold more units than any other android tablet (combined I think) is really sad. Android just isn't taking hold in the tablet market, and won't without a lot of work by Google. But, what's their incentive? 98% of their revenue is from advertising. They still make money when an iPad pulls up an ad served by Google. They don't really have a lot of skin in the game, and it shows. I think the only reason Samsung, HTC, Motorola etc sell android tablets at all is because they don't really have a choice. They can't sell iOS tablets. The real test will be Windows 8 on ARM. If these companies can license W8 from Microsoft, its familiar to them. Its like building a Laptop or Ultrabook, they rely on Microsoft's ability to make compelling software, and enterprise friendly systems. That's really what HP was trying to do with the TouchPad. HP said the TouchPad wasn't their last tablet, but I would bet their next one runs W8. I think the tablet race us destined to be a two pony race, and that android isn't going to be the second pony much longer at the rate things are going. </rant>
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ace9988 said:
Before we start this discussion, i'd just like to say that the devs are doing a brilliant job of bringing android flavours to the Touchpad and this discussion should in no way be a deterrent to them doing their work.
Is it just me or is the touchpad a neglected device in terms of development compared to other tablets? i.e. asus, samsung, htc. niggles (or problems; you decide) with cm9 has started to
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I get so tired of people complaining they don't get the same things from a $200 device as others get from their $600 ones. The reason the TPs are selling at the price they are is that the manufacturer stopped development. But, IMNSHO, the TP users are actually benefiting from that. If HP were still in charge, the TP would not have ICS, Ubuntu or Arch running.
this is my first tablet after all.....and when we're used to the development we see on our (assumed) android phones you can't help but compare, but like i said its only a discussion. and whats Arch?
Doesn't the fact that HP released the android kernel help development? How much does it help
Hey guys, didn't know where exactly to put this, but imo it fits best here (if not please tell me)
So i thought about fooling around with software and hardware, basicly: getting iOS or win7.8 or win8 on a android device (and i am not talking about some sh** that just looks like it)
As i have no experience in ROMs or anything programming related i just wanted to know if this would be possible?
It would be really awesome as i am very fond of fooling around with hardware devices where you dont expect the software you have xD
Because i heard of some classmate of my cousin who flashed android on his windows-phone (he had some old 6.x version)
Greets Vauvenal7
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... getting iOS or win7.8 or win8 on a android device (and i am not talking about some sh** that just looks like it)...
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Well, it's impossible. iOS needs specific HW, plus both OSes are closed source. You can run Android on iStuff and on WinMob devices (HTC HD2) because Android is open source, you can change everything in it without problems.
iOS and WP aren't open source and you can't modify it.
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Well, it's impossible. iOS needs specific HW, plus both OSes are closed source. You can run Android on iStuff and on WinMob devices (HTC HD2) because Android is open source, you can change everything in it without problems.
iOS and WP aren't open source and you can't modify it.
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Right.
the iPhone has its own processor -- the "A6" is used in the iPhone 5 which is based on the ARMv7, but I'm confident it is different enough to effectively make "porting" the iOS to another hardware platform essentially impossible (short of repackaging an iPhone's internals into a different case).
Now Windows Mobile 8 runs on "Qualcomm Snapdragon S4" chips (according to Wikipedia) which seems a bit safer on the hardware end...but then you're looking at trying to get a closed-source operating system to run on a different hardware..
I'd say Windows Mobile 8 is pooooossible, but it's a very very long stretch. And then, is it really worth it? Or just to say that you did it?
I think I'd just stick to Android since they are GIVING us the operating system. It's like free money!
Thanks guys
Well, pitty :/
And yeah...nothing goes over android xD
But it would have still been fun though^^
Greets Vauvenal7
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