My wifi hotspot is not working on my mt4g. I am able to tether to my labtop but not able to use the wifi hotspot app. It connects with my laptop but has no internet connection. Does anyone have an answer to this or do I have a phone that needs to be replaced. T-Mobile Customer Care also couldnt help me get it to work.
You have to add the $15 wifi tethering feature... It was free until they fixed things, now it's a feature you must pay for
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Shouldn't the wired tethering be a charged feature as well? I thought the tethering fee was for wired, wifi or otherwise?
It is.... tmo Polly hasn't got all their bugs worked out yet...
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both wireless and wired are working for me.
Working here on wireless- is was wondering if we were grandfathered in for free if we started our service before last Sunday. I'm in the foothills so I only get edge, but I justed tested it- D-.9M U-.7M. Pretty sad since most people that are away from the downtown area use Wild Blue- you pay them $70+ a month for that speed. When did you sign up for your service with T-Mo?
There are threads on this all over. It does not look like you will be charged for using it. So far, they are trying to push everyone over to their $30/month 4G plan. It is $15 more then their limited plan.
They have also posted warnings about overuse of data services, and one poster had his speed reduced to EDGE for a day after getting a specific warning.
it remains to be seen if they will do anything down the road to somehow block this activity.
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I can get around the wifi block using barnicle but the usb sent me to the page telling ne to add service. I am on community rom didn't have issue on Super Clean.
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I use pda net works well
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Wifi tether has always worked for me
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Try wireless teather from the market..has worked for me on every single rom I've ever used on this phone...there is about a 30-45 second lag on initial connection but other then that its flawless
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Doesn't matter what you use, Verizon will still be able to tell that you're tethering. It's just that you won't get re-directed to a Add Service page. It's users such as yourself that are ruining the system for everything by tethering illegally and I hope you get a massive bill for doing so.
I can do wifi tethering but got an older computer with no wifi card its in the mail or would be using landline. USB tethering used to work but stopped on community rom.
As far as it being illegal is debatable because its a phone feature they're hijacking. I pay my monthly bill for unlimited data at a premium price.
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Doesn't matter what you use, Verizon will still be able to tell that you're tethering. It's just that you won't get re-directed to a Add Service page. It's users such as yourself that are ruining the system for everything by tethering illegally and I hope you get a massive bill for doing so.
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It is our right to teather for free.. The phone has the capability.. Paying to teather is like paying to use the built in gps.. And verizon has no right to stop you from using free teather apps.
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Furthermore, at least for 4g so yeah I realize that this isn't totally relevant here, charging additional for tethering may be in violation of the openness requirement on the spectrum that Verizon agreed to. I'm unsure if a similar condition was put on 3g as well.
Edit: Apparently I should RTFA that neh4pres posted. Oops =)
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It is our right to teather for free.. The phone has the capability.. Paying to teather is like paying to use the built in gps.. And verizon has no right to stop you from using free teather apps.
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This is complete drivel.
When you tether you are using resources beyond your phone. You are using Verizon's network in a way which they haven't agreed to and for which you haven't paid. It's no more legal than leeching off your neighbor's wifi without permission.
It's not at all like the built in gps as that uses public services, Verizon's network is private and they have set specific limitations on its use and charged you in accordance with those limitations and your explicit agreement to abide by them.
The mere fact that your phone has an ability does not mean that it is legal to use that ability. For example your phone can be used to hack into your bank's network, that doesn't make it legal. Your phone clearly has the ability to make phone calls on Verizon's network. But you can't just buy a phone and thereby acquire a right to make free calls on that network.
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This is complete drivel.
When you tether you are using resources beyond your phone. You are using Verizon's network in a way which they haven't agreed to and for which you haven't paid. It's no more legal than leeching off your neighbor's wifi without permission.
It's not at all like the built in gps as that uses public services, Verizon's network is private and they have set specific limitations on its use and charged you in accordance with those limitations and your explicit agreement to abide by them.
The mere fact that your phone has an ability does not mean that it is legal to use that ability. For example your phone can be used to hack into your bank's network, that doesn't make it legal. Your phone clearly has the ability to make phone calls on Verizon's network. But you can't just buy a phone and thereby acquire a right to make free calls on that network.
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Hacking is not comparable. Hacking is not a feature. Tethering is a feature.
And no your are not going beyond the phone capabilities if it is capable of doing it. You're using your phones 3g network which your phone is capable of using through a computer. It is comparable to GPS because there are phones that had GPS locked to Verizon's service only. What about deBinging getting around Verizon's agreement with Microsoft? Do you know if you are costing Verizon and Microsoft ad revenue?
Your complaint is date usage going to end unlimited data service. The Iphone, and 4g are more to blame than anything the rare guy using tethering.
I dont find anything wrong in that
the tethering option is there for the tethering its as simple as that
and you are paying for network usage so i dont see anything wrong TBH in this all.
btw i am using the fascinate with some other network and in some diff country , where i have opted for a unlimited data transfer plan ( precisely for this particular scenario ), and as and when the connections at my home or office ( the wireline bband connections ) are down i always connect my PCs with my fascinate and use its network.
I don't agree with blocking the tethering either. I used my droid for months before getting a tethering app and after I had it my data usage didn't go up much at all. Before tethering I would do everything on the phone. With tethering, I do the same exact things, but sometimes on my laptop instead of the phone simply for the added convience of a full keyboard and a bigger screen. I am paying for unlimited data and also using the same amount of data whether accessed on the phone or thru tethering. Why should I have to pay more for it?
IMO it is probably a small percentage of people that use their phone as their constant network connection for a pc and use a significantly higher amount of data than they would without the tethering.
I have no issue with on the fly tethering to check email, twitter, xda, surf around, etc. What I do take issue with are those who essentially use their phone as a wireless router and download torrents and stream Netflix. Eating through 100+ gb per month is pure abuse.
Found some old posts, back in May, where people were discussing whether PDANet could truly hide tethering from AT&T, or other providers. I was tethering with my rooted SGS2 and received the text, email, and snail mail notices from AT&T that I would lose my unlimited data and be forced to by a tethering plan if I continued to tether. I was utilizing the stock rom with the tethering manager frozen.
Has anybody utilizing the 3.02 version of PDANet been contacted by AT&T to c&d? If so, could the c&d be attributed to tethering done before installing PDANet?
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I'd like to know as well.
I don't think pdanet does anything special...i use approx 3-5gigs a month all mostly teathering. I have never received any notices of any kind.
I think as long there isn't any high spikes in data usage, you'll be safe.
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This is just an unproven theory by myself, but don't use internet explorer on the device you are tethering to.
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Personally, I use Firefox with User Agent usually set to Iphone, but obviously if there was a galaxy s 2 user agent I would use it. I din't tether to much- maybe 500 meg a month, but I've never been caught.
I got hit with the top %5 text the other morning...managed to use just under 12gigz this billing cycle..MOSTLY from wifi tether Phone 2 Phone and i maybe used an hr tethering to a laptop..I work for the bastards..doesn't matter what you use...all ill say is the network is alot smarter than people think..trust me..
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Supposedly Barnacle "hides" it and it's a free app. Google it.
I wonder if using an SSH connection would encrypt the connection enough to hide anything they sniff out to detect tethering.
If your rooted and have root explore just delete tehtering manager. Apk in system/app and if your on a custom rom it is more than likely already removed for you. Now if I could just get decent data speeds I would use it
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That's the way I was tethering when I was told by AT&T to c&d. That's why I'm trying to find a way to tether and not get caught.
Hmmm odd you must have had huge data spikes because without that app they can't tell besides seeing you use like a gig a day. Interesting any thoughts guys?
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If somebody knows for sure if PDANet stealth mode works - I'd really, REALLY like to know too! Had AT&T's "Unlimited" plan for a few years now. Been teathering, but for completely trivial amounts of data - during most months my usage didn't go over a gig or two. This month I went over 4 gig for the first time ever, and suddenly all hell broke loose. I get repeated "5%" messages over text and email, warning they will throttle down my 3G speeds (they are already a complete joke here in NY-NJ). So I stopped using all data for about a week now, but the messages never stopped, and now I am getting the tether notices.
I got the letter last May when I had an iPhone that was jailbroken. Now I got the rooted Android and I just don't want to lose unlimited data. I tried once with PDA bored at an airport and wanting to do basic surfing on my laptop. I used it again the other night on my laptop for simple surfing as my main internet went down and so far as I know (/knock on wood/) I'm okay.
Most say TTL is how they find out. My problem is they have intricate logs of every phone call and text you ever sent but can't tell me a MAC addy, time, etc. of when I tethered. Fact is known that only those with unlimited data plans were the ones attacked as it seems they are slowly trying to phase these out.
I just make sure to not have Windows Updates enabled when surfing on my laptop with tethering. It's obvious any mobile phone shouldn't be accessing this site.
I dont know how they can tell but it seems they are always able to. I used my android to tether with an iphone to download Wifi only updates and after about 3 months i got the notice saying I need to not tether or they will remove unlimited.
Apparently they say that the notices aren't always Instant (I was figuring i would get it right after i used tethering). I know for a fact i had not tethered after the last time so it was roughly 3 months behind.
I do not believe sirs (referring to OP)
What is the big deal of a 3g prime I tether at 4 LTE speeds all day.
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What is the big deal of a 3g prime I tether at 4 LTE speeds all day.
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Europe doesn't have LTE And tether sucks battery faster than any game
But I don't need any kind of mobile connectivity anyway on my Prime, HSPA tether is enough
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What is the big deal of a 3g prime I tether at 4 LTE speeds all day.
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anyone who buys a 3G tablet likes wasting money or has so much they don't know what to do with free Wi-Fi/USB/Bluetooth tether from smartphone is the only way to go even my 55 year old father knows as much
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What is the big deal of a 3g prime I tether at 4 LTE speeds all day.
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Yea, I hotspot from my phone now, but if money was no object I'd prefer the setup I previously had with my xoom.
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Yea, I hotspot from my phone now, but if money was no object I'd prefer the setup I previously had with my xoom.
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It would be nice, if money was no object. But given that it is, I'm happy tethering my phone; I don't have cause to use my tablet outside of Wi-Fi enabled areas enough to warrant another data plan.
in maine we will not have 4 lte anytime soon, so up here getting some thing lte is a waste.
Because companies like Verizon and At&t limit you to 2GB a month and there's no way you could share the connection with your phone AND tablet for a whole month and not go over that limit?
3G tablet plans cost too much. I just tether to my Galaxy Note as well.
My area doesn't have LTE support. The service providers only just installed new towers a few months ago, and before that my devices were struggling for a signal. What's the point in an LTE device if the most you'll get is hspa?
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I am with T-Mo so LTE is not an option, though speeds are acceptable. I would be willing to shell out a bit for 3G on the tablet for the convenience factor. Since I already have a wi-fi only TP though I am not going to buy another tablet just for 3G.
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Because companies like Verizon and At&t limit you to 2GB a month and there's no way you could share the connection with your phone AND tablet for a whole month and not go over that limit?
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Prior to my contract with Verizon its unlimited and they offer 10 gigs for $50 now which is more than enough. Downloading avg of 18mb a sec its wonderful. Tethering is a dream with my gaze rooted.
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anyone who buys a 3G tablet likes wasting money or has so much they don't know what to do with free Wi-Fi/USB/Bluetooth tether from smartphone is the only way to go even my 55 year old father knows as much
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It depends on how you use your tablet. If you're home or around places with decent Wi-Fi 80% of the time I agree with you. I travel a lot and anyone who does knows you can't depend on Wi-Fi. At hotels, restaurants, or airports.
So you can either get a 3/4G tablet or tether. Tethering is a pain in the ass. Get out the phone, turn on sharing, connect the tablet, disconnect the tablet, turn off sharing. Forget the latter any your phone's battery is hosed. It's hosed anyway because you can literally watch it run down when Wi-Fi sharing's enabled.
Here's some of the advantages of 3/4G:
- Your tablet's always online and can receive e-mails and messages continually.
- You can just flip it open and use it without having to wait for a gazillion background process to all finish competing for the Wi-Fi signal at the same time.
- Your phone's battery is spared the torture of Wi-Fi (or BT) sharing so it's available for calls when you need it.
- You can split your data across multiple devices. For $20 a month on AT&T (they think it's a non-smartphone) my tablet uses 6ishGB of data. I use 4-6GB on my phone too. I'd get flagged and put on a tiered plan if I didn't have seperate devices so it's actually cheaper to have two data plans.
While it's not for everybody it has its advantages. I wouldn't personally own a non-3/4G tablet.
A dialogue between me and my employer.
Employer: Why didn't you get a tablet with 3G/4G built in?
ME:*holding up phone* Do you want to expense two data plans?
Employer: Point taken.
I can leave my wifi tether on literally all day and do very little harm to the battery. Tmobile G2 (HSPA+ 15down2up)
Also there is no conflict with Tmobile's data and phone services. I can answer a call without interrupting my connection.
The trick is to be reasonable about your expectations.
IE: dont stream HD youtube all day, or you'll kill the phone.
I use a 4G (has 3G support) Hotspot device instead of buying additional data plans for various devices.
While I could tether to my phone which is still 3G, when I am in the field, I normally need my phone while using data at the same time and tether would also reduce the battery of the phone quicker as well.
With the 4G hotspot, I can tether up to 5 devices at the same time which includes not only tables, slates, netbooks, notebooks, regular desktops with a WiFi adapter but also even my phone which still has 3G.
In my field kit, I carry a battery unit which will power the 4G hotspot for more than 14 hours continuously, so I can do data for longer than most of the device I could connect to it without AC power.
I can and have many times provided data access to people who were with me who had only WiFi enabled devices securely as well.
Most of the time, I just turn the hotspot on, and stick it in my pocket and have hi-speed Wifi available where I am walking.
I don't use free Unsecure WiFi hotspots.. only secure WiFi connections
Since most of us who use this forum are aware of AT&T's draconian policies regarding tethering, especially the one whereby they bump you from unlimited to crappy tethering plan policy, I'm going to ask those of us who are successfully tethering their Atrix with an unlimited data plan to help correct some information.
Basically AT&T is changing their plans, and with 3gb HSPA and 5gb LTE throttling the reality for us unlimited data plan users, I and others would like to know what this has wrought for our tethering capabilities.
Previously AT&T was monitoring our accounts to see if we were tethering, seeing if our phones were using ports and protocols for checking windows update for example(used to determine that your phone is tethered to a PC), or user agent strings, or other means of packet inspection. They were hitting people with the 45$ tethering plan left and right 12 months ago, but now, Verizon has just gotten the smackdown on their charge-for-tether practices, and I recall hearing that AT&T doesn't care about tethering anymore because they are putting most people on the unified data package where a whole set of devices use one pool of allotted bandwidth. Which would mean AT&T can ream those people with encouraged tethering.
But that leaves those of us with an unlimited plan......uninformed. Are they still doing the plan bump if they detect an unlimited user tethering? Furthermore, can they even detect the kind of tethering I've tried before, namely Atrix CM7 connected to HP touchpad CM9, I think built in tethering app. Can't they tell from the amount of hops, its one further on the Time to live?
Or do I have to use PDANET for the encryption?
Surely there must be someone out there using their unlimited with tethering who can chime in, maybe you can say what rom and tether app/built in your using/technique.
And if it's safe, this would make my job so much easier to tether with my laptop. And since that work is volunteer search and rescue flying, this could be invaluable information for me and my team.
Thanks, TL ; DR, AT&T sucks. But they have a fat data pipe and large network...
Grandfathered unlimited plan here. I'm running neutrino and tether to my iPad mostly and some pc tethering I used about 2 gigs in 3 days and so far so good. No scary text or anything.
Of course ymmv but that's been my experience with tethering so far.
Btw located in more rural southeast
Interesting
Thanks for the reply, I've tethered roughly 3-4 gb using netflix and some web browsing from Atrix to Touchpad, but that was last Thanksgiving, so I'm sure AT&T's network has changed since then. I guess I'll start off with trying to push 3gb+ using netflix on the touchpad, followed by browsing on the touchpad to see if any warning bells go off at AT&T. Because frankly having freedom to tether is a joy, I used to use my HTC Touch Pro to tether like mad on AT&T going through 5gb with a laptop easily. But that was 2.5 years ago
Anyone else get slammed?
I thought they just throttled you after you used more than 3gb+. Are they guys not getting throttled anymore?
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I thought they just throttled you after you used more than 3gb+. Are they guys not getting throttled anymore?
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I have tethered on my unlimited plan, using my Nintendo 3Ds, and my laptop which is running linux, so they probably wouldn't be able to detect the devices easily.
No text messages yet.
Ok so when I use my hotspot, I get the T-mobile page that comes up and says "T-Mobile Smartphone Hotspot yada, yada" unless I change the UserAgent. However, I was rooting a person's phone (also on T-Mobile), and once I rooted it and installed tethering, his worked flawlessly without any even having to change the UA. So I said "just for the heck of it, let's change SIMs", so we swap SIMs. So I put his SIM in my phone, and guess what, it worked flawlessly with no blocks. I found out he was on the $50 Pre-Paid 4G plan, and I'm a shared unlimited 4G data contract plan with my Girlfriend. So I guessing maybe they are blocking Hotspot on Contract plans, but not Pre-Paid Plans. I don't know if this was discussed before, but I thought it was interesting. What you guys think.
Wait til your friend uses a lot of data. Then they catch on to it and will block him.
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Wait til your friend uses a lot of data. Then they catch on to it and will block him.
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I second this. It worked fine no problems for me without changing anything. Then finally the other day when I had it connected to my laptop and I was doing a ton of things including some downloads it finally popped up. Funny thing was my downloads kept on downloading
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I never had that pop up on my Amaze till I decided to update my PS3 on it since my wifi took a $hit. It still works and lets me tether.
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I had some trouble but a little APN change made it work, maybe that could help, search for it.
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hey i posted this in the other tethering thread but just in case anyone missed it, dont change to the android user agent because you will have to deal with stupid mobile sites on your pc while tethering, instead use the opera user agent to get non mobile sites.
Ive been using IE6 or IE7 UA on mine with no problems
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Wait til your friend uses a lot of data. Then they catch on to it and will block him.
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The $50 Monthly 4G plan throttles your data to EDGE speeds after 100mb.
The $60 Monthly 4G plan does the same at 2.5GB.
So if you 'use alot of data' you just get choked to dialup speed automatically - weather it's with your phone or with tethering...
If they are doing an HTTP-proxy-based tether-block now (eg, if it looks for user-agent strings), just use TOR or CoDEEN to get around that.