+10 char. Barnes and nobles.
http://images.barnesandnoble.com/PResources/download/Nook/source-code/nookcolor-source-code.zip
u forgot link http://images.barnesandnoble.com/PResources/download/Nook/source-code/nookcolor-source-code.zip
that was fast
This is awesome.
Looks like B&N understand that they have something much bigger than an ereader.
I, for one, had not been interested in this device until I saw the posts here about it being rooted and being able to install other programs on it. I went out and bought it last night and will hold on to it until an easier root method is published.
Well of course they understand But since at $250 they're probably not making much, if any profit off the machine, they need to sell content and they have two options:
1) Close the machine off Amazon style and force people to buy content from you, or
2) Open the platform, hope more people buy your device and hope that translates into content sales (book, magazines, etc...) where the money is.
Seems like they're blending #1 and #2 but with a bit more #2... Pretty good for us.
Hopefully, the cooked ROMs will allow to access the stock B&N reading program as well. It's a bit slow at times but it's a pretty good reader with strong book management capabilities (shelves) and the magazines are pretty good too.
Don't mean to sound dumb, but what exactly is this a link for?
Hopefully the link is to the source code used to compile the Android OS on the Nook Color.
Maybe I will even finally compile me some Android.
At the very least it would seem that combining parts of this with AOSP 2.2 might yield one / several usable froyo kernels for the NC. Easy to say, definitely more complicated to actually do.
Ypocaramel said:
Well of course they understand But since at $250 they're probably not making much, if any profit off the machine, they need to sell content and they have two options:
1) Close the machine off Amazon style and force people to buy content from you, or
2) Open the platform, hope more people buy your device and hope that translates into content sales (book, magazines, etc...) where the money is.
Seems like they're blending #1 and #2 but with a bit more #2... Pretty good for us.
Hopefully, the cooked ROMs will allow to access the stock B&N reading program as well. It's a bit slow at times but it's a pretty good reader with strong book management capabilities (shelves) and the magazines are pretty good too.
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I like the device so much, alll I do is talk about how good it is and how it compares for the money.
I highly recommend it to everyone looking for a reader, that's capable of much more.
I'm surprised how many people are interested
I bought one yesterday and already have it rooted. Additionally, I have ADW Launcher, all of my favorite apps/games, DroidX keyboard, etc. I agree that this is easily one of the best values in the tablet segment. I'm really eager to see Android 2.2/2.3 though.
I got my Nook last week and use it quite a bit. I too agree it is the best tablet around, especially when you consider the price point. I'm using it now even with tapatalk. Most of my friends are probably tired if hearing me extol its virtues. Once Froyo or Gingerbread hits, along with bluetooth (if possible) this thing will be even more awesome.
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Got one for my wife last week, rooted it right away and we both think it's great. It's the only tablet in the house and I'm using it more than she and considering buying another NC just for myself.
Perhaps I should just be patient with Honeycomb (supposedly) coming out early 2011, along with new devices designed specifically for a more tablet friendly OS. Does anyone question whether NC will be able to run Honeycomb?
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Got one for my wife last week, rooted it right away and we both think it's great. It's the only tablet in the house and I'm using it more than she and considering buying another NC just for myself.
Perhaps I should just be patient with Honeycomb (supposedly) coming out early 2011, along with new devices designed specifically for a more tablet friendly OS. Does anyone question whether NC will be able to run Honeycomb?
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The answer to honeycomb relies on two things (the way i see it):
1) We must be able to boot custom roms. From what i gather, alot of progress is being made there already, so i doubt that will be too much of an issue. If we can get a recovery option, and be able to do nandroid backups, it would be even safer.
2) The hardware must meet HC's specs. This is the real question mark - what kind of hardware will HC actually need? As it is, our tablets really aren't lacking in the hardware department, and a custom overclocked/undervolted kernel should really help (speed boost to 1.0-1.2). As it is, our A8 CPU and SGX530 GPU are no slouch (though yes, our GPU is weaker than top end gear), and the 512MB ram should really help performance. Again, it comes down to what custom kernels and roms can be cooked up for our hardware..
B&N Clerk Talked About Hacking It
jtreminio said:
Looks like B&N understand that they have something much bigger than an ereader.
I, for one, had not been interested in this device until I saw the posts here about it being rooted and being able to install other programs on it. I went out and bought it last night and will hold on to it until an easier root method is published.
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Hi,
I got one yesterday. Can’t open it until Christmas, since it’s my present from my wife. Anyway, when I bought it the clerk was talking about training. I told ther that the person that was getting it was very tech savvy. She said “They will get it home and hack it in about an hour. You know it can be hacked into a full tablet computer.”
This was from the cashier.
Best sub 300 tablet in the market right now
Its basically a 7 inch droid x
Hope we get aosp rom soon
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what are the specks on the nook?
easy9 said:
what are the specks on the nook?
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Check the specs on the wiki page: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Nook_Color
Smooth...
I have been watching this ColorNook development since they announced it coming to market.
Bought one 5 days ago after autonook was finished. For $250 it beats the market tablets hands down. Tethered it wirelessly to my Droid and I was in business.
Glad I made the leap. Rotting took less than an hour. Great job guys.
Thanks
The nook color is an awesome little device! I chose it over the galaxy tab, (it was way too expensive, & i didn't want another two year contract with sprint). It's crazy how much people on craigslist are charging for a tab, they get up to $600!, no thank you, i'm happy with my autonootered/rooted nook, & it didn't cost me an arm and a leg I recommend you guys pick one up, it's only gonna' get better.
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Of course I'm speaking with the processor and what.
Basically I have this idea of buying a lower priced tablet from China and then root it. Now I'm not just look for a 10", a 8" would be even perfect but I'm just saying
Do you guys think this would go over? Only problem is I'd have to find a tablet that has decent amount support and work on it.
Lend me your thoughts as I've thought about this today while fooling with the GTab at Sears.
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Of course I'm speaking with the processor and what.
Basically I have this idea of buying a lower priced tablet from China and then root it. Now I'm not just look for a 10", a 8" would be even perfect but I'm just saying
Do you guys think this would go over? Only problem is I'd have to find a tablet that has decent amount support and work on it.
Lend me your thoughts as I've thought about this today while fooling with the GTab at Sears.
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At the moment, anything that's cheaper than the GTab is not comparable in terms of hardware specs. The Notion Ink Adam is the one exception, but availability is a significant issue, as is (potentially) build quality.
The general consensus on most of the sub $250 tablets from China, from almost every review site, is "You shouldn't buy this tablet at any price point."
The main issues you need to look for are a) capacitive touch screen rather than resistive, b) reasonable battery life, and c) any hint that someone has brought the OS up to a more current version. Many of the Chinese tablets a) ship with a resistive touch screen, b) have battery life on the order of 3 hours, and c) are still running 2.1, with absolutely no modding community - not to mention they're all running much slower processors in general.
All of that being said, there are about 2 million tablets that are going to be released in the next couple of months that will feature similar hardware, and I'm sure some of them will be at the GTab price point, or possibly below. If you're unsure, my advice would be to be patient.
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I figure I'd rather go with a name brand I'm familar with and that has a big support group for modding.
I'm torn between this and NookColor but the success rate of root and rate of not failing is on the side of NC compared to the GTab.
Also I hear Spring will be a time for a bunch of new tabs to drop, besides the Xoom what are others?
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I'm torn between this and NookColor but the success rate of root and rate of not failing is on the side of NC compared to the GTab.
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Really? I wasn't aware that is was possible to fail to successfully root the G-tab. The instructions are so simple.
jerichoholic said:
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I figure I'd rather go with a name brand I'm familar with and that has a big support group for modding.
I'm torn between this and NookColor but the success rate of root and rate of not failing is on the side of NC compared to the GTab.
Also I hear Spring will be a time for a bunch of new tabs to drop, besides the Xoom what are others?
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Rooting is easy on the nook color and gtablet but installing custom roms...the gtablet is way easier. IMO, the roms available for the nook color are not as stable as the ones available for the gtablet. The nook color is still a work in progress when it comes to loading a stable 2.2.
I have both devices and I'm stuck on 2.1 on the nook because the 2.2 roms seem to be hit and miss. With the gtablet, I'm waiting on a stable 2.3 rom but I'm not in a rush because I'm happy with the rom I have now on the gtablet.
The G-Tablet is a pretty unique product right now, but as others have said above that will all change very soon. Tegra 2 tablets will really hit the matket hard this year, so if you have any reservations I'd say wait and see what is available in the next 6 months.
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Really? I wasn't aware that is was possible to fail to successfully root the G-tab. The instructions are so simple.
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When I say failing I mean after root, the problems you run into regarding FC's, certain apps not working or opening at all. Certain coding failures I see riddled in the Dev forum. Of course Im still looking but it just seem a lot of people had problems with certain things not working or getting unsual errors.
I know you run into this will any root but it just seems a bit more than I'm use to.
EDIT: XMR has given a bit more substance to my arguement since he owns both. I do see a lot of people having problems with the newest Dec. rom on the Nook.
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Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I figure I'd rather go with a name brand I'm familar with and that has a big support group for modding.
I'm torn between this and NookColor but the success rate of root and rate of not failing is on the side of NC compared to the GTab.
Also I hear Spring will be a time for a bunch of new tabs to drop, besides the Xoom what are others?
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Toshiba and Asus both have tablets coming out, as does almost every other manufacturer. Search for CES coverage and you'll see no shortage of info on them.
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Toshiba and Asus both have tablets coming out, as does almost every other manufacturer. Search for CES coverage and you'll see no shortage of info on them.
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This post was in Jun, At this point I have had 2 gtabs, the second has had hardware problems since I got it. I am sending back to woot for a refund.
Any updates on simular tablets that are compareable?
Thank you Jaye
Just ordered one although i was a bit hesitant after reading a lot of negative feedback on them. After further investigation it seemed as though most of the complaints were related to the factory software ?? ive done a bunch of reading and plan on modding it from day one. From what ive gathered you first load clockworkmod, then do a backup, then load your rom and lastly root if necessary (if the rom isnt already) only thing i havnt decided on is which rom. I see there are quite a few available here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=874258 but honestly i wouldnt mind some up to date opinions on which is working best.
And as the title asks, Do You Like Your Gtablet ??
Make sure you know what bootloader is on your G Tablet BEFORE you start flashing a new ROM! In the reading I have done to date, there are two different bootloader versions out there; 1.1 and 1.2. I thought I was good to go and started to install ClockWorkMod and Cyanogenmod 7 shortly after unboxing. Big mistake. It took a long, long time and tons of research before I was finally able to get it back to a working state.
The links below are a great place to start reading. The 4th link is a guide detailing the steps I went through to restore the G Tablet.
Viewsonic GTablet For Dummies
A New User's Guide to modding your GTablet device
[FAQ] Viewsonic G-Tablet ROMs Frequently Asked Questions (READ THIS FIRST)
Viewsonic G-Tablet 1.1 ROM Development
Viewsonic G-Tablet 1.2 ROM Development
Guide - Restore G Tablet after a Failed Recovery Mode "update.zip"
Personally I like the G Tablet. Sure, it might not have the polish of some of the "high end" tablets, but for the price I think it is a good deal. Of course the stock ROM leaves much to be desired.
Shortly after getting the G Tablet restored, I have been running roebeet's Brilliant Corners ROM with VTL.launcher. I like both alot.
Hope this helps. Have fun!
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Well thats good to know about the bootloader, i hadnt noticed anything on that. Sounds like you just saved me a major headache.
I'll read all the links supplied, thanks for that. i dont mind doing my homework i just got to a point before there where i felt like i was going around and round in circles lol
I bought one of the flytouch 3's first and was kinda disappointed, it had decent functionality with the tim5a rom but the resistive screens are junk. The gtablet is the cheapest capacative touch 10" tablet i could find and paired with the tegra 2 gpu, 512mb ram and 16gb internal, not even mentioning the other options, it seemed like a steal at $269 with free shipping from tigerdirect.
Ill look into the roebeet's Brilliant Corners ROM with VTL.launcher and give that one a try, is that one of the most recently developed roms for this tab ?
Thanks again...
I agree, it is a good deal for the features included. I really don't have any medium or major complaints with a custom ROM installed. There are some minor things I would like to see improved, but those probably would have pushed the price up.
Brilliant Corners is fairly recent, the last build was on 5/20. It is froyo based, so it isn't the latest and greatest out there, but I find it highly useable and stable. There are newer honeycomb based ROMs available here on xda and at the links I sent in the last post. I tried a couple honeycomb versions, but at the time they didn't seem stable enough (the G Tablet was a birthday gift for my wife, so I could not afford periodic crashing/reboots).
To clarify; Brilliant Corners does not come with the VTL.launcher. I downloaded VTL.launcher here on xda (link below).
I would guess that your G Tablet will come with bootloader 1.2, but if it does come with 1.1 the list below has a link to another guide on upgrading from 1.1 to 1.2.
[APP][LAUNCHER] VTL.Launcher 1.6.5 (Tablet Oriented Launcher) [updated 05.19.11]
[GUIDE] Fool proof install for stock 4349 (1.1 to 1.2 upgrade path)
djab67
I love it. I've gone around to different stores to tryout several of the popular new tablets. I wasn't impressed by any of them. My modded gtab seemed faster than most of them, and I only paid $259.
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I have had my gtab for a few months and I enjoy it. have fun and try the different ROM's just be sure to learn how to use NVflash it will be your freind. and there are many helpful people here with alot of knowlage always do a search in the forum many questions have an answer already
I like mine, but dislike the display intensely.
It it what it is, a now somewhat dated (yes, 9 months is forever in the tech world) first generation tegra-2 android tablet with NO manufacturer support.
For $200 or so, it's a not a bad way to PLAY with android tablets, and if you like hacking/modding its a good platform for that.
If you could get a well-supported Honeycomb-based tablet with similar specs and a real display, for $100 more, you'd be nuts not to do so.
I'm running gtabcomb (Honeycomb) on mine. And I really do like it, and use it daily. I guess I didn't really expect to use it as much as I am, because if I did, I would have paid the extra $100 or so and gotten something with a better display.
I like mine as well. I'm running Flashback at the moment. I had gotten mine used off from eBay with Bottle of Smoke on it. I flashed it back to stock and immediately found out why everyone complained about it.
I've tried the ASOP gHarmony GB and really like that one as well, though I've been unable to get the latest loaded.
For me the tablet is great because I like to tinker with it. Last weekend I told my wife, "I'm going to load a new ROM onto my tablet." She asked, "Why?" I didn't have a good answer for her as it seemed seemed self-explanatory.
If someone doesn't want to fiddle with the thing I wouldn't recommend it (thought it is years ahead of the ZT-180 that I had before this! )
ByteWrencher
I am currently in love with GtabComb.
I have used several ROMs since over the past 6 months. To me GtabComb feels like a much smoother experience, more responsive to touch scrolling on the home screen and within apps. Really, now that I have my hands on Honeycomb, I just can't go back to Froyo-based ROMs.
While it currently lacks hardware acceleration, which some say would provide better video playback (and gaming, not important to me), I have found the video on GtabComb more than acceptable.
I have only had a few problems with apps loading or installing, but no showstoppers. I don't even remember which apps were issues.
The camera does not work, but since Skype video is not available for any ROM, and other other video chatting solutions do not provide a usable experience for me, this is also not a showstopper.
Have fun!
I like mine.
Mine is great!
Played with a display model at office depot and immediately ordered one (store was out of stock). Been happy with it ever since. The stock software is really bad. I tried out several ROMS and eventually settled with gtabcomb3.2. Once you try Honeycomb, it's hard to go back. My 2cents worth.
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I like mine, but dislike the display intensely.
It it what it is, a now somewhat dated (yes, 9 months is forever in the tech world) first generation tegra-2 android tablet with NO manufacturer support.
For $200 or so, it's a not a bad way to PLAY with android tablets, and if you like hacking/modding its a good platform for that.
If you could get a well-supported Honeycomb-based tablet with similar specs and a real display, for $100 more, you'd be nuts not to do so.
I'm running gtabcomb (Honeycomb) on mine. And I really do like it, and use it daily. I guess I didn't really expect to use it as much as I am, because if I did, I would have paid the extra $100 or so and gotten something with a better display.
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What options are available for $100 more that are better hardware wise ? I looked around quite a bit and saw nothing in the $350 area that rivaled the gtab ? thx
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I am currently in love with GtabComb.
I have used several ROMs since over the past 6 months. To me GtabComb feels like a much smoother experience, more responsive to touch scrolling on the home screen and within apps. Really, now that I have my hands on Honeycomb, I just can't go back to Froyo-based ROMs.
While it currently lacks hardware acceleration, which some say would provide better video playback (and gaming, not important to me), I have found the video on GtabComb more than acceptable.
I have only had a few problems with apps loading or installing, but no showstoppers. I don't even remember which apps were issues.
The camera does not work, but since Skype video is not available for any ROM, and other other video chatting solutions do not provide a usable experience for me, this is also not a showstopper.
Have fun!
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The latest version of skype ran perfectly on my froyo flytouch tab. To bad to hear the camera doesnt work with gtacomb.
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What options are available for $100 more that are better hardware wise ? I looked around quite a bit and saw nothing in the $350 area that rivaled the gtab ? thx
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i said IF... staples recently had a $100 off any tablet deal that put several of the mid-$400 tablets right in that pricepoint.
Edit: for example, http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...440-with-free-shipping-from-ebay-daily-deals/
Current deal on a new 32GB wifi xoom: $440. Shipped Free. That's within spitting distance of $100 more than the $280 I spent on my gtab. $160 more, might still be worth it. Likely most of these "late first gen/early 2nd gen" tablets with full Honeycomb support will be heading to the $300-$400 pricepoint in the next few months.
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i said IF... staples recently had a $100 off any tablet deal that put several of the mid-$400 tablets right in that pricepoint.
Edit: for example, http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...440-with-free-shipping-from-ebay-daily-deals/
Current deal on a new 32GB wifi xoom: $440. Shipped Free. That's within spitting distance of $100 more than the $280 I spent on my gtab. $160 more, might still be worth it. Likely most of these "late first gen/early 2nd gen" tablets with full Honeycomb support will be heading to the $300-$400 pricepoint in the next few months.
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I got ya, i would love to see the xoom's and galaxy tabs come down below $400 but i dont see that happening right off. Not with the cell phone companies using them as leverage to get you to sign a two year contract.
Besides by the time the price comes down there will be something better available again, its a vicious cycle !
Gtab is suppose to be here today, cant wait to try it out !
I like my gtab so far but i have only had it a few days. I have tried several roms so far and i am currently running bottle of smoke and i have to say i like the HC experience better than froyo. Camera wasnt a big deal for me, I got flash and Netflix working so I'm a happy camper.
I have had mine a few days too now and i must say im pretty impressed. The screen sensitivity is great and multitouch works excellent. The image quality is great and ive experienced no lag from the dual core gpu.
Im running brilliant corners (froyo) and its very,very stable, not a single force close on any program. Everything works perfectly, netflix and the market worked right out of the box with bc. I had some issues with games initially, like asphalt hd but thats a vendor problem not the rom or gtab.
I do love my 2 gtabs! 1 is in VEGAn, 1 in GtabComb beta 3.3.
Got them from tigerdirect.com, for $269 a piece. What a steal, and just perfect for my kids! Then bought the Fuse cases, from electroniccrap.com, for $30 a piece. They fit nicely!
I like mine. Running gtabcomb 3.3. I think I still prefer the Asus transformer and probably should have shelled out the extra $100. It is nice having a USB port for flash drives though.
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yeah my gtab surpasses most tablets out now and it was around half of the price! but I would rather have the moto xoom but i am happy with my gtab
I've had my gtab for a little over a month and I'm pretty happy with it. I think like most others on this site that I appreciate the fact that you can play with it and try other ROMs and just tinker with it. It's not a Cadillac gets me where I want to go. Only complaint is in the video playing. Hopefully can get that resolved. I'm thinking of buying another one for my wife.
well, my order of 4 from cpw came today, and I was going to get rid of spares and keep one if I thought they were no good (compared to all the tablets I have (Ipads,galaxy tabs, transformer, wierd brands etc) for dev purposes btw). But, omg, webOs so far is quite nice, the device aint too bad either. So going to give 3 to friends and family and keep 1 to play with. Downloading SDK as I type and had a quick read.
So, after not minding the hardware at all, and thinking that as a 1st pass young tablet webos is probably better than androids attempt, add to the fact that the SDK from reading (not use) looks to be even better than android......
Some1 remind me again, why did this thing fail? Just price? if thats the case, £299 would have made this and ensuing development a killer? Or am I missing some big point here?
Cheers
Cost, immature software, lack of features, small developer ecosphere, late to market, tons of competition...
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Cost, immature software, lack of features, small developer ecosphere, late to market, tons of competition...
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baring the last two, that true of any os that has just come to market
Shame me thinks
It fails because it is one of the most expensive, heaviest, thickest, and has the least features (no back camera, not way to connect USB/SD memory card...) and least tablet apps. Coming late in the game HP should have done a better job...no excuse. HP designed the tablet poorly...consumers are not stupid like them...very disappointed in in HP. Whoever design/engineer/market the Touchpad should be fired....such a waste of resources. Guess it's worth $99, at least they priced it correctly now.
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Cost, immature software, lack of features, small developer ecosphere, late to market, tons of competition...
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It the nail right on the head, but I think it's mainly because of the price. Apple has some one figured out a way of brain washing people to buy everything they put out at any price. Other companies haven't figured it out so until they do they need to figure out how to get the cost down on tablets. Could imagine the frenzy over the Galaxy 10.1 if it would have been priced 199 or 299?
The HP tab fire sale proves there is a market for the Tab but just not at the price they are bouncing around.
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baring the last two, that true of any os that has just come to market
Shame me thinks
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Granted, but webOS didn't come to market with the Touchpad - it's been out for several years. It was a very buggy platform from all the reading I've done, and there was still a fair number of issues even after the last patch was released (just go look at PreCentral).
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It the nail right on the head, but I think it's mainly because of the price. Apple has some one figured out a way of brain washing people to buy everything they put out at any price. Other companies haven't figured it out so until they do they need to figure out how to get the cost down on tablets. Could imagine the frenzy over the Galaxy 10.1 if it would have been priced 199 or 299?
The HP tab fire sale proves there is a market for the Tab but just not at the price they are bouncing around.
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Price was probably the biggest factor. It was more expensive than most any other tablet for less capability and less compatibility. For example, licking it down to print only to HP printers or tether to HP/Palm phones? Ridiculous.
It's sort of amazing the position Apple is in now given how bad off they were in the late 80s and 90s. Really sucked being a Mac user back then (haven't been a Mac user since then though).
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Price was probably the biggest factor. It was more expensive than most any other tablet for less capability and less compatibility. For example, licking it down to print only to HP printers or tether to HP/Palm phones? Ridiculous.
It's sort of amazing the position Apple is in now given how bad off they were in the late 80s and 90s. Really sucked being a Mac user back then (haven't been a Mac user since then though).
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well, I agree (Being a 3D artist myself) that the design is a little off, but I do like the form factor of these (and obviously my iPad) and that factor suits my development plans for tablets more than my transformer or indeed any of my 10inch tablets.
I would be in heaven even with the weight and cribb design if this was an android unit with the same UI features etc at a £250 price point.
I personally think this device and OS had great potential for a tablet, but like you say, if the palm devices showed lots of buggs, maybe hp could have never sorted it with the team they had. Still say shame though
Pretty much failed because the general populations definition of a tablet is the iPad. Like others said, price and too many competitors. After a couple of days with my Touchpad, and some tweaking, I like it. I am impressed with webOS.
But I feel bad for the poor souls who bought this thing from the get-go for 500 bucks because performance wise it has it's hiccups for no reason. Notice some lag sometimes for no reason and delays when trying to do simple things. I feel like the auto rotate is too sensitive as well.
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Pretty much failed because the general populations definition of a tablet is the iPad. Like others said, price and too many competitors. After a couple of days with my Touchpad, and some tweaking, I like it. I am impressed with webOS.
But I feel bad for the poor souls who bought this thing from the get-go for 500 bucks because performance wise it has it's hiccups for no reason. Notice some lag sometimes for no reason and delays when trying to do simple things. I feel like the auto rotate is too sensitive as well.
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Have you installed preware and in turn the log diable stuff, speed stuff and the OMG it's now way too loud sound mod!
what.....I'm deff!
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well, my order of 4 from cpw came today, and I was going to get rid of spares and keep one if I thought they were no good (compared to all the tablets I have (Ipads,galaxy tabs, transformer, wierd brands etc) for dev purposes btw). But, omg, webOs so far is quite nice, the device aint too bad either. So going to give 3 to friends and family and keep 1 to play with. Downloading SDK as I type and had a quick read.
So, after not minding the hardware at all, and thinking that as a 1st pass young tablet webos is probably better than androids attempt, add to the fact that the SDK from reading (not use) looks to be even better than android......
Some1 remind me again, why did this thing fail? Just price? if thats the case, £299 would have made this and ensuing development a killer? Or am I missing some big point here?
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so to say it just sucks is not what the op is looking for.
The unit itself is amazing. I have been a die hard android fan with my hd2 but the ui of this tablet is extremely functional. Having multiple frames for apps makes this an amazing item for me. The keyboard is very easy to use and the quality of the item is A+. Like many others I would like the android market but webOS. Two big things for me is the memory expansion and no hdmi out but I will live. If I were to release this product I would say 299 and 399 would be fair.
I think the price is the only reason it failed. From using the xoom and iPad I find this, minus the features listed above, to be the better unit. $99 is an amazing deal for this great piece of machinary.
Here's one reason:
"Rubinstein wasn't exactly thrilled about the timing of the TouchPad's release, saying CEO Leo Apotheker had failed to make good on a public promise to ship the tablet only when it was "perfect."
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I think a bigger issue deals with consumer education about a new OS. The transition from an android phone to an android tablet or an iphone to an iPad is seamless WebOS phones had a miniscule market share. WebOS came to market late in the game. It took an incredible price on the TP to get consumers to take the leap to a new platform. Now that they are here they may like what they see.
It failed for one simple reason. The OS and apps weren't ready and weren't polished. I think the hardware is amazing, save for the volume rocker and the super thin "home" button and maybe the screen which apparently generates its own fingerprints and smudges out of thin air. The OS on the other hand has so much potential but they completely screwed it. If I had purchased this at anything over 150, which is what I paid for the 32gb, I would return it or sell it.
Take this one example. The browser doesn't load pages in the background. If you load a new card like you would a tab and return to the original browser card, the new one just sits there and does . . . nothing. Doesn't load or render the webpage. It just sits there like a bookmark to the site you wanted to load. I mean seriously? This is like iPad1 crap, which was solved in like a couple weeks with third party browsers. With 4 times the ram, for some reason WebOS doesn't find it necessary even without a single other app loaded on a fresh boot to actually load the card in the background. The way I browse the web is to load a trillion tabs and then go through them and read. That would be absolutely excruciating on the Touchpad.
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It failed for one simple reason. The OS and apps weren't ready and weren't polished.
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About the same as the 1st Galaxy Tab P1000 android version
The OS on the other hand has so much potential but they completely screwed it. If I had purchased this at anything over 150, which is what I paid for the 32gb, I would return it or sell it.
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over 150 ? Bit harsh I think. From a development perspective, software is never finished, you just get to a point where you either HAVE to release or it's ACCEPTABLE to release.
Take this one example. The browser doesn't load pages in the background. If you load a new card like you would a tab and return to the original browser card, the new one just sits there and does . . . nothing. Doesn't load or render the webpage. It just sits there like a bookmark to the site you wanted to load. I mean seriously? This is like iPad1 crap, which was solved in like a couple weeks with third party browsers. With 4 times the ram, for some reason WebOS doesn't find it necessary even without a single other app loaded on a fresh boot to actually load the card in the background.
The way I browse the web is to load a trillion tabs and then go through them and read. That would be absolutely excruciating on the Touchpad.
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I dont actually think thats a representation of the average user. I maybe open 7 tabs on a pc, I sure they would have put in background loading eventually.
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Pretty much failed because the general populations definition of a tablet is the iPad. Like others said, price and too many competitors. After a couple of days with my Touchpad, and some tweaking, I like it. I am impressed with webOS.
But I feel bad for the poor souls who bought this thing from the get-go for 500 bucks because performance wise it has it's hiccups for no reason. Notice some lag sometimes for no reason and delays when trying to do simple things. I feel like the auto rotate is too sensitive as well.
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this is exactly why it failed. Why do you have to tweak it for it to work smoothly. It should be like that out the box
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this is exactly why it failed. Why do you have to tweak it for it to work smoothly. It should be like that out the box
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name a tablet product other than ipad (ios) that at release was like what you wanted, smooth out of the box, cause I cant think of one?
Honestly I don't think it failed because of the OS the majority of people out there are absolutely clueless as to what the difference android/ios and web OS brings when I recommend android phones to people nearly all of them haven't got a clue what I'm on about there more interested in if it can download apps. I personally think its more to do with marketing and more important price(why pay 399 for a unknown hp tablet when you can pay 399 for a apple ipad) people have to understand that the majority of consumers are near clueless about tech,ive gad so many people pick up android tabs asking if this is the ipad lol
I think you have to go way back to the palm pre for the answer. Great OS. Not a bad spec phone for the time. But Sprint was the exclusive carrier and didn't do jack to promote it. So everyone was seeing iPhone this and Droid that. No one was hearing about webOS until it was in the news that they were broke and hp was buying them. That's my opinion anyway. I have a palm pre(in a desk) have an evo (daily driver) and I hands down would take webOS on the evo hardware any day.
Everyone thinks this tablet has failed, if that's the case then why did a million people buy it? I know it's cheap compared to the iPad but with over a millions users this tablet should take off and be a big competitor with Apple. Maybe that was the intention all along, think how much HP saved on marketing, plus all the revenue they could get from some many users.
Give it a few months, Webos will be rocking the tablet world!
So the color has had hcfor a while and there is a functional ics rom out now. Would you trade your tablet for the color if you had the chance? To have a actual well partial bc or ice tablet.
Personally I probably wouldn't because I feel the tablet will only get better with time and the great devs we have working on it.
Why should somebody do that? NT is much better than a NC, it's been only 2 months since NT release. Custom roms doesn't appear magically they take time to be deloped and tested, Devs are close to achive a recovery boot and only then we can think in GB, HC and ICS.
NT doubles the NC in everything (exept price ) NT will be better so we only have to be patient and support developers.
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Not a chance. The NC has it's CyanogenMod and what not. But, the NT is just a better piece of technology. Of course, I hope that we break all the walls keeping us from modding the **** out of this thing; but, I could be perfectly happy with the root privileges that I have now.
I bought my NT to be a tablet, I read books, stuff for work (mostly pdf), watch movies, surf the web, send/receive email, and little else. I've always seen the tablet as a bridge between the smartphone and the laptop -- the NT does this with flying colors.
I'm a flash addict. Have been for about seven years now. I love pushing hardware and trying to make devices and software do things that they were never designed to do. But, I will (almost) never opt for a markedly worse piece of hardware for what I see as superfluous alterability.
I'll be watching dev threads and helping any way I can. But, much like the Detroit Lions fan in me, I'm pretty satisfied with how far things have come.
Yeah, no way. I gave away my old NC with CM7 to a family member and got the NT. I liked everything about the NC except the speed. It just felt slow and laggy on most things, even overclocked.
About ICS, I can wait. I have other tablets that will get it soon anyway.
I wouldn't trade it either. I'm doing pretty well with root and side loading apks. My galaxy nexus cdma is getting all of my attention right now anyways
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My interest in nooks began on the 27th of Dec with an NC my good friend had received for Christmas. We tried a few roms, but in the end we decided to take it back and he got a NT instead.
On the 1st we rooted the NT, learned a few more advanced techniques for side loading and such. He took it with him back to Cali, he loves it. His brother is asking me to do one for him and mail it.
Grand pa is buying a NT for "The Joe" treatment also. I thought about the KF, but I find the idea of non expandable storage more offensive than a locked bootloader. Maybe thats just me. NC isnt even on the menu.
Not me. I'm having too much fun with the Nook Tablet
I have to agree with everyone else and say, no, I wouldn't trade mine. It is a nice piece of hardware and as it is right now, it does anything I want it to do and then some.
The development will get there, I have no doubt about that. These guys/gals have done amazing things so far!
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Same here. my wife has a nook color already and she gave me NT for christmas. the NT is alot faster than the color especialy loading webpages and playing movies, plus it has the mike on which is ok i use speak to it assistant and it works just fine
I agree with everyone else. With the root from indirect and the ability to load other apps and change the launcher, I can be satisfied until we can load GB, HC or ICS. For me, the NT is an investment in better hardware that will serve me into the future as the software catches up.
I gather the holiday return policy doesn't end until 1/31, so anyone who would trade it certainly has the opportunity.
My NT works very, very well for play. It only works so-so for the work I have envisioned for it due to the lack of USB host. I'm stunned by how quickly the devs have figured out ways around and even through what was called an unbreakable security system (aren't they all called that ) at the very beginning. If there weren't so much hope on the horizon, I might well trade 'down' to get the extra productivity and settle for less entertainment power. But I'm glad it looks like I don't need to.
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So the color has had hcfor a while and there is a functional ics rom out now. Would you trade your tablet for the color if you had the chance? To have a actual well partial bc or ice tablet.
Personally I probably wouldn't because I feel the tablet will only get better with time and the great devs we have working on it.
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there is a HUGE difference between a decent port of ics and what you are referring to as a "functional ics rom" (the only one I can find is still an alpha build)
ics will never run on the NC the way it will (eventually) on the NT, the NC just doesn't have the hardware speed.
so no I wouldn't downgrade to the NC, that would be ludicrous!
the dev's are still in the initial breakthrough phase on the NT and granted don't have a fully polished ROM out for the general public yet, but it's coming!
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Not a chance. The NC has it's CyanogenMod and what not. But, the NT is just a better piece of technology. Of course, I hope that we break all the walls keeping us from modding the **** out of this thing; but, I could be perfectly happy with the root privileges that I have now.
I bought my NT to be a tablet, I read books, stuff for work (mostly pdf), watch movies, surf the web, send/receive email, and little else. I've always seen the tablet as a bridge between the smartphone and the laptop -- the NT does this with flying colors.
I'm a flash addict. Have been for about seven years now. I love pushing hardware and trying to make devices and software do things that they were never designed to do. But, I will (almost) never opt for a markedly worse piece of hardware for what I see as superfluous alterability.
I'll be watching dev threads and helping any way I can. But, much like the Detroit Lions fan in me, I'm pretty satisfied with how far things have come.
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I'm with you. For $50 more you get a better process, more ram, more memory, and a better overall device. Sure, right now it isnt as" moddable" as the NC, But I'm sure with time, it will be. Right now, have root access and being able tin install the android market and the amazon market have already made it basically an android tablet that can do anything its brethren can. I'm perfectly happy with it. when the bootloader is unlocked ans the 16gb of built in is accessible by non-BN content, I'll be happier, but I'm in no hurry. The 32 gig sd card is nowhere near being full.
Another no here. With a few minutes of work, I've got a tablet that's fully rooted and it's running faster and smoother than my color with CyanogenMod ever did.
A agree with everyone. My daughters tablet is alot faster than my color. Even the sound is better. I have volume + on hers and mine and the tablet for some reason sounds alot better than the color, even at the same settings. Almost makes me want to trade mine or sell it and get the tablet. Even with the way the tablet is rooted, there is no difference than my color running phiremod, So imagine what it will be like when the tablet can have custom roms!
Speaking of a trade in, my wife got my color from Walmart for me for Christmas......can I get it exchanged as mentioned above or is that only for barnes and nobel?
I wouldn't think of trading it in. Patience is a virtue, and spending $50 to get double the hardware specs I don't mind waiting for the rewards to come in.
I have been using the NT for about a month and a half, and honestly I think I should have gotten something better.
It does have its problems such as the wifi connection drops a lot and I have to restart the tablet. This is not the fault of the devs, but of B&N. I don't understand why we should have to hack and find workarounds just to get the full use of the NT.
Does anyone else feel that they should have gotten a different tablet? Perhaps an actual tablet?
I am considering selling the NT. I don't think I would have had the amount of issues with an actual tablet and one that is not so locked down.
Although I'm really satisfied with the capabilities of even just a regular root, the only time I've regretted buying an NT was when I heard Asus was coming out with a new 7 inch tablet later this year. That makes me want to sell this thing instantly, haha.
To be honest with you i bought my NT as a stop gap between selling my iPad2 and waiting for the iPad3.. with the intent to sell this once i picked up the new iPad..
and for the first week or two i did regret buying it but then.. Considering what i use it for
1.Watch movies (netflix, hulu, and divx on the SD card),
2 Browse the internet and 3. Actually read a book or two.. it's actually perfect for all that.
Used the SD card method to root (Thanks Albert) and then side loaded all the apps that i needed. Never had Wifi or reboot issues, the screen is actually brighter and clearer than the iPad 2 i had and the battery life is above average for a 7 inch
I will be holding on to this for a while.. and i think once they perfect the other rom's and get the bluetooth working it's actually a keeper.. especially if ICS gets ported.
But as always you have to ask yourself does it do what i need?.. the only reason to get a different tablet would be if you needed GPS, Camera's, bigger screen, 3G, a different app store, video out etc....
if none of that is the reason.. then whatever tablet you buy will fill you with the same... should i have really bought this feeling..
I am comparing the NT with the $199 refurbished 16Gb HTC Flyer. I find that I miss CM7 on the Flyer... and the Flyer somehow seems harder to hold. I guess I got used to both CM7 and the bezel on the Nook Color and now the Nook Tablet. I haven't decided which I will keep yet, but I am leaning towards keeping the NT.
Heck no ... I've had 250.00 dollars worth of hacking fun with mine I have a feeling there is a lot more coming. Just wish I knew how to code to help out
Basically it boils down to what you want to do with it. Technically, you bought an e-reader. If you wanted more, you should have bought more. Myself personally, I came to XDA before I made up my mind between various tablets. I settled on the NT because I could see there was a bright future for it. The hardware bugs will be worked out eventually. Blame B&N for the hold-ups thus far. Give it a while. If you sell now, in 6 months, you will regret buying something else and will be looking to get another NT.
Understandably, there are limitations to this device. It's half the price of an iPad. You don't get any of the fancy things like GPS, 3G/LTE, camera, etc. But it is a great tablet for the money.
I bought this because my cheap e-reader broke. It was mainly to read with. That said, since I bought it 2 months ago, I haven't read more than a page of a book!
I've had tons of fun putting Android on, customizing it, and getting it how I like it. I'll be 10 times happier when a fully functional port of ICS is released for it. Netflix and videos look amazing on its screen, indisputably better than the supposedly identical screen on the Kindle Fire (just read ANY review).
I've never had an issue with the WIFI dropping or restarting. There are a few issues that the great devs and contributors here have helped me to conquer.
There are still a couple things I'd like to see get done to this device though, other than the glorious port of ICS. I'd love to be able to use ALL of the 16 GB of data on board. That was one top reason I chose it over the Fire, but I'm confident the great people here will solve that in time. Another is that, despite there not being onboard GPS, I'd still like location-based tools to work, like they do on any other WIFI device like my phone.
Other than that, I'm really happy with what I bought. I may not use it for what I initially intended, but hey, who has time to read when you're busy installing your favourite apps, customizing widgets, and making your home page perfect?
And on the issue of buyer's regret, when it comes to tablets and smartphones, there will ALWAYS be something better within 3-6 months!
You can use your 16Gb, just repartition it, it is very easy.
My only regret so far is that I got the 8gb NT. It is actually my father-in-law's device, but I told him I would configure it to have better access to the Android market. I had read several posts about rooting and installing Go launcher (or equivalent) and was excited to do this. For the time being at least, it doesn't look like this is an option, and the 512k RAM looks to be an issue. I may try to convince him to return it and get the 16GB version. Since it's not mine, I guess I need to let him see if he is happy with it, but I'm chomping at the bit to put some of the great work from this forum to good use on his system!
Maybe I will have to just get my own. I have been talking about getting some kind of tablet with my wife, and will likely get something in the next couple months. Since I am used to a smartphone, it's hard not being able to install any app that I am familiar with, and I will likely go for something with more features.
As others have said, it's all about what you actually need/expect. And there will always be times when you second-guess what you do purchase... Buyer's remorse is just part of being human, IMO!
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I have been using the NT for about a month and a half, and honestly I think I should have gotten something better.
It does have its problems such as the wifi connection drops a lot and I have to restart the tablet. This is not the fault of the devs, but of B&N. I don't understand why we should have to hack and find workarounds just to get the full use of the NT.
Does anyone else feel that they should have gotten a different tablet? Perhaps an actual tablet?
I am considering selling the NT. I don't think I would have had the amount of issues with an actual tablet and one that is not so locked down.
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Well, I was able to get my Nook Tablet much more easily than a Kindle Fire because my University has a deal with Barnes & Noble; my school bookstore is basically a small B&N store full of textbooks. If I had the choice, I would have chosen the Kindle Fire, but I still like my Nook Tablet, especially now that CM7 is running on it.
I don't regret it, but let me say - I never liked my device hacks to be easy! Sounds masochistic, yes, but I've always enjoyed installing custom firmware on stuff that, until some hackers got a hold of it, was never able to run anything other than what the manufacturers intended. I'm talking about Wii, PSP, PDAs, etc.
If you think development for the Nook Tab is rough, think about how slow and brutal it was getting the PSP to run custom software. I suffered at least one electrocution modding the thing's battery because I didn't have much experience with moving pins on a chipset. It was worth it to get homebrew stuff running on there though.
My point is, while the Kindle Fire owners do have it a lot easier than us, I enjoy witnessing the development process first-hand; it's oddly satisfying. I understand some people around these forums are only here because they wanted a cheap CyanogenMod 7 Tablet and want to see the Nook Tablet become that - but I'll be lurking around here long after the Nook Tablet devs reach their goals because I'm fascinated by hacking and modifying devices.
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You can use your 16Gb, just repartition it, it is very easy.
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I just realized that after my post. Haven't checked the posts here lately. It seems a little complicated for a noob like me. Plus, don't I have to install CM7 also to do it?
No you don't need to run CM7 to repartition, I am noob as well, it is very easy, it just looks hard.
Just follow this post
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Partition 10 is where you would put you own data
Partition 11 is where all apps go, when you install them.
on mine i did half half because a lot of games are pretty big and need space, but you can change it to you own need.
just do the commands in bold black, the rest that you see is what your nook outputs.
Update after using the HTC Flyer for a bit more. I think I will sell my 2 Nook Tablets and keep the HTC Flyers. At $199 they just offer so much more.... GPS, front and back cameras, working bluetooth, working skype, dual speakers that are loud, HDMI out via MHL (adapter on the way). The built-in 16gb is partitioned so there is 8+ GB for media stuff. And for my almost 7 year old, he loves that Talking Tomcat and Talking Ben work, and Galaxy on Fire 2 runs fast on the Flyer as well since there is a native adreno version. It is only single core but runs at 1.5ghz and has 1gb ram so it feels as fast at the NT if not faster in some cases. The Adreno 205 gpu is not rated quite as good as the Powervr SGX540 but seems to be well supported for gaming. Not to say that there are not some annoyances with the Flyer. I can't seem to turn off the lock screen. There is no CM7 though there are custom roms for both Gingerbread and Honeycomb for the Flyer (need to root and unlock the device first). And I need to find better cases for them. Anyway I think the refurbished HTC Flyer is a keeper at $199 from buy.com And of course I can read on them with Moon+ Reader Pro, Kindle App, Nook App, etc.
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So far no regrets. Just installed cm7 and happy.
Plus I only paid $175 for my 16gb tablet on Craigslist.
Hopefully cm9 makes it's way to the tablet.
My only regrets are the possibility of what the Asus tablet might offer and that the NT can be had for $175 now. Those aren't really fair reasons though since there will always be price drops and always be new options if you wait. I wanted it for Christmas and it's been everything I expected. I'm rooted at 1.4.0, zero WiFi issues and it's never rebooted (I did have a frozen screen once). I plan on staying on this platform until the fine developers on this forum give me the option of ICS for my NT!
I have no regrets at all. It let me do everything I really cared about right out of the box for a price I didn't mind paying. Any additional functionality after ebooks, videos, music and some light web browsing is just so much gravy as far as I'm concerned.
I love it, but primarily because I bought into the B&N ecosystem years ago (I have about 400 books and magazine subscriptions). It's much more pleasant to read on the NT than it is on my iPad, due to weight and size. Movies are great, except for the below-average speaker. I don't surf the Internet on my NT; if I have to do it mobile, I prefer to leave that to my phone since I can do it one-handed. My only qualms:
1. There needs to be an Economist magazine app, built for the Nook. You can't install the one from Android Market, even after rooting.
2. The speaker, as mentioned above.
3. The little hook in the bottom corner is kinda annoying. Yes, I know it makes the design unique, but it gets in the way. It also makes accessing the MicroSD card a pain.
4. At $250, GPS would've been nice. Not that I expect to carry it around for turn-by-turn, but I'd like to access the map and Yelp for places to eat while in my hotel room.
I don't regret getting the NT16 at all. But then again my uses for the device are:
1. Reading. I read a LOT.
2. Playing games
3. Surfing the internet
4. Study device (read pdfs/powerpoints/word docs for school)
I also have music and movies stored on the device for the day when I need to entertain myself outside reading/games and off a wifi network. It's small and light enough to carry at all times in my purse or backpack and zippy enough to do what I need it to do.
Once CM9 is released I'll have to debate a lot on whether or not I want to keep my simple root with the BN eReader or upgrade to ICS for full tablet capabilities (like all those excellent note taking apps compatible with Honeycomb/ICS)
No regrets at all.
Initially when it appeared that B&N was going to hound us endlessly trying to disable root and return everyone's NT to 'jail', I was a bit resentful. I still don't recommend the NT to others because I don't trust them.
But I should have known the dimbulbs in B&N management are no match for the talented devs here. I've got no worries that my device can be ruined with an underhanded update- and I haven't done much of anything to secure it since I first rooted it back in December or so. (Still running rooted 1.4.0 with no problems). The fact that it can now run CM7 (which I haven't tried yet) is just icing on the cake. I'm guessing I'll love it even more once I get around to trying that.
The tablet does everything I need it to and more, and was a good deal for the price.
Next tablet I own probably won't be a locked device, but as for the NT itself, no regrets. That's 100% thanks to the devs here.