Well, I'm tired of waiting for a AT&T version of 2.1. With the twofer deal, one cent deals continuing at all vendors through New Year's I don't think they will release a firmware for Xmas if they do at all. It would not surprise me if the phone is dropped after New Years since they will have so many other android phones from other makers, and a Playstation phone or X12 won't be that far away.
I was looking in the X10a's 1.6 service menu and it says in the
Service Menu submenu Configuration
Working Band/s:
GSM850, GMS900, GSM1800, GSM1900
UMTS_BS1, UMTS_BS2, UMTS_BS5, UMTS_BS6
I've looked and read here and elsewhere, that the 2.1 firmware seems to have the band numbers. We all know there is some overlap in bands in Europe and Asia with the Americas. The only firmware with the 1-2-5-6 combo is the Brazil LAM. I've read threads that people with the generic LAM with the NAM1 suffix of 1.6 were updated to this variant.
Yet, there are lot's of posts saying that AT&T people are using generic world with the 1-4-8 combo. And lots of posts related or not, saying that their GSM/3G is acting funny after the update.
In the SE White Paper for X10 Sept 2010 that has links posted in the forum, it clearly states that there are two variations of the phone,
one with 3 HSPA bands (900, 1700, 2100), and
one with 4 HSPA bands (800, 850, 1900, 2100)
both variations have the same 4 GSM bands (850,900,1800,1900) making all the phones "World" phones and 'quad band'.
I've read many times that people are saying that all bands are enabled in all generic versions. But I've yet to find a post were someone went into the Service Menu and posted which bands were 'working' according to the phone. Again, if true, why bother with the 1-4-8 or 1-2-5-6 extensions?
I would like someone on a AT&T phone who already has a 1-4-8 or the 1-2-5-6 variants to go into the service menu and tell me what the phone says is the "Working Bands" after the update.
Also some clarity on anything that was done afterwards to make the phone functional on the web. Manual/Auto insert of the APN, Marketplace issues, loss of Multimedia Messages or other problems. As a final note, tell me if you removed applications manually or with one of the 'junk apk' applications would be nice, since it seems to me, that there are varying results from the hundreds of threads here that are jamming all this information together (and then the OP changes the downloads making hundreds of responses invalid since they don't pertain anymore).
SO, if you would be so kind to fill out the following questions:
1. My Working Bands Menu says:_______________________________
2. I used firmware: _____________________________________
3. I had a problem with:
A: APN configuration:
B: Marketplace
C: MM SMS
D: Other
E: No problems!
4. I had removed "Junk" apk prior to any issues with (which issues in #3)
5. I removed "Junk" apk and my phone: ___________________________
stan.s said:
Well, I'm tired of waiting for a AT&T version of 2.1. With the twofer deal, one cent deals continuing at all vendors through New Year's I don't think they will release a firmware for Xmas if they do at all. It would not surprise me if the phone is dropped after New Years since they will have so many other android phones from other makers, and a Playstation phone or X12 won't be that far away.
I was looking in the X10a's 1.6 service menu and it says in the
Service Menu submenu Configuration
Working Band/s:
GSM850, GMS900, GSM1800, GSM1900
UMTS_BS1, UMTS_BS2, UMTS_BS5, UMTS_BS6
I've looked and read here and elsewhere, that the 2.1 firmware seems to have the band numbers. We all know there is some overlap in bands in Europe and Asia with the Americas. The only firmware with the 1-2-5-6 combo is the Brazil LAM. I've read threads that people with the generic LAM with the NAM1 suffix of 1.6 were updated to this variant.
Yet, there are lot's of posts saying that AT&T people are using generic world with the 1-4-8 combo. And lots of posts related or not, saying that their GSM/3G is acting funny after the update.
In the SE White Paper for X10 Sept 2010 that has links posted in the forum, it clearly states that there are two variations of the phone,
one with 3 HSPA bands (900, 1700, 2100), and
one with 4 HSPA bands (800, 850, 1900, 2100)
both variations have the same 4 GSM bands (850,900,1800,1900) making all the phones "World" phones and 'quad band'.
I've read many times that people are saying that all bands are enabled in all generic versions. But I've yet to find a post were someone went into the Service Menu and posted which bands were 'working' according to the phone. Again, if true, why bother with the 1-4-8 or 1-2-5-6 extensions?
I would like someone on a AT&T phone who already has a 1-4-8 or the 1-2-5-6 variants to go into the service menu and tell me what the phone says is the "Working Bands" after the update.
Also some clarity on anything that was done afterwards to make the phone functional on the web. Manual/Auto insert of the APN, Marketplace issues, loss of Multimedia Messages or other problems. As a final note, tell me if you removed applications manually or with one of the 'junk apk' applications would be nice, since it seems to me, that there are varying results from the hundreds of threads here that are jamming all this information together (and then the OP changes the downloads making hundreds of responses invalid since they don't pertain anymore).
SO, if you would be so kind to fill out the following questions:
1. My Working Bands Menu says:_______________________________
2. I used firmware: _____________________________________
3. I had a problem with:
A: APN configuration:
B: Marketplace
C: MM SMS
D: Other
E: No problems!
4. I had removed "Junk" apk prior to any issues with (which issues in #3)
5. I removed "Junk" apk and my phone: ___________________________
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Use X10a 2.1 world generic. Same bands. No issues.
Working Band/s:
GSM 850, 900, 1800, 1900
UMTS_BC1, BC2, BC5, BC6
I used the world generic 2.1
no problem. just had to redo my apn since I could not send two body messages.
Working Band/s:
GSM 850, 900, 1800, 1900
UMTS_BC1, BC2, BC5, BC6
I used the world generic 2.1 as you and i cant get 3G
i thought frecuencies where:
UMTS_BS1, BS2, BS5, BS6 instead of
UMTS_BC1, BC2, BC5, BC6
Kelvin0007 said:
Working Band/s:
GSM 850, 900, 1800, 1900
UMTS_BC1, BC2, BC5, BC6
I used the world generic 2.1 as you and i cant get 3G
i thought frecuencies where:
UMTS_BS1, BS2, BS5, BS6 instead of
UMTS_BC1, BC2, BC5, BC6
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I used the Brazil firmware and I get HSPDA and 3G, without problems. All of the UMTS say BC.
Related
I would like to know how many differences there are between this two kind of dual band.
i've bought a T-mobile from USA (i'm still waiting for it so i don't have it now) and i saw that it is a 900/1900. I'm in italy, so i would like to know if i'll use only 900 or 1900 too (i think in italy 1800 is used).
i think i'll have to unlock it, the vendor told me it is a pocket pc 2003, do XDAunlock, work on it?
(i'm sorry for the last off topic question...i post here to not make too many post around the forum)
lyka said:
I would like to know how many differences there are between this two kind of dual band.
i've bought a T-mobile from USA (i'm still waiting for it so i don't have it now) and i saw that it is a 900/1900. I'm in italy, so i would like to know if i'll use only 900 or 1900 too (i think in italy 1800 is used).
i think i'll have to unlock it, the vendor told me it is a pocket pc 2003, do XDAunlock, work on it?
(i'm sorry for the last off topic question...i post here to not make too many post around the forum)
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I'm sorry to tell you since your network works on 1800 Mhz your new T-mobile PW10B1 wont work on this frequency it's made for 900/1900 Mhz if you unlocked it or not it's not gona work, you need the PW10A1 devices they work on 900/1800 Mhz.
but there are cellphone companies in eu who use 900 maybe there are some in your country
if not well thats too bad
oh....no..... :shock:
is there anithing i can do? radio update??? something like this!
Your special edition ROM can help me?
from what i've been able to understand about the 900/1900 then it's a hardware limit the GSM part of the xda1 will have to be physically removed which would most likely be way more expensive then getting a new device
of cause i could be wrong
The XDA1 is available in two flavours (from what I read):
USA: 900/1900 bands
EU: 900/1800 bands
Since both flavours support the 900 band, you should be able to use it in Europ on one of the 'old' networks.
In Holland both KPN and Vodafone have nationwide coverage on 900MHz.
Since TIM is and 'old' company too (Telecom Italia isnt it?) I guess theyre on 900 too. To be sure: check the websites of the Italian mobile operators. Be aware that reception in some areas might be less than if you could use both 900 and 1800 bands as more and more operators are extending their networks on 1800 only (because of lack of free 900 band frequencies). I noticed this a few years back in France where in rural areas there was no coverage with a 900 phone and full reception with a 900/1800 phone (same network).
Reading the forum i've read that is possible to chose band 900/1800 and 900/1900 by bootloader and pressing calendar...can this be true for some model?
p.s. Of course TIM uses 900...i wonder if it will ever use 1900 one day
i think UTMS or some other replacement will take over before us and eu start to use the std's of eachother
just another question, i found information about special edition rom. It says that with bandswitch.exe some devices may work with other "not natural" band. So i'll try when my XDA will be shipped.
TIM wil NEVER use 1900, at least not in Europe. The 1900 band is not available for telecoms in Europe (just like the 1800 band is not available in USA)
I've got T-Mobile from US working in Russia on 800/1800 through ROM upgrade. What it did - it removed SIM Lock and turned the device into 3-band. Works perfect.
Rgds,
Cimmerian
www.briantracy.ru
i haver never heard about anybody being able to make a dualband into a triband using just software the filters and mixers in the hardware part og the gsm are different
I have never heard about that either. As far as I know frequencies are hardware based. Otherwise we could flash our XDA's to anything we wanted.
I have researched this for weeks and weeks since I need my XDA I to work on the 850Mhz network in the US quite badly.
Please post exactly how you did it
1800/1900
I got the same problem you do but reverse , I'm in the U.S and bought the phone from Europe ( qtek 1010 ) my phone will not work in the U.S because the network here is 1900 and in europe 1800. If you want I can trade with you if you have the same phone. I got all the package in a box.
My email is [email protected]
U can reach me on this email if you wish to exchange.
Lyka
There are 3 major networks in Italy that have 900 mhz networks.
They are:
Telecom Italia Mobile (TIM)
GSM 900/1800
Vodafone Omnitel N.V.
GSM 900/1800
Wind Telecomunicazioni SpA
GSM 900/1800
If you are within any of their networks you should have service with your
current Wallaby. (XDAI). You should be able to insert your sim card and go.
Some ROMS auto select the available network, others do not. There is also a program that you can cook into a ROM that give you a software selctable band switch.
I hope this helps?
Joe
Just to clarify my last post:
It has been discussed on this forum, for a few years, that you cannot
change a 900/1900 phone to 900/1800 using software.
However since your phone does operate on 900 mhz and there are
900 mhz throughout Italy, including Sardinia, you should have no problem using your current phone. In fact I have used my USA 900/1900) XDAI in Italy.
Let us know how you make out.
Joe
900/1900 T-Mobile -- Swap for an 900/1800 XDA ?
Straight swap...I made a mistake and bought a T-Mobile from the US thinking it would work in NZ....it won't and everyone on the forums agrees....so only option is to replace with a European one...
If anyone is interested, post a reply and we can set something up.
Cheers, Hamish
BandSwitching
I live in Jamaica, we have to GSM networks, 850/1900 & 900/1800 my XDA1 works well on both networks... although signal strength from the 900/1800 is stronger it makes no big difference... I believe the shorter band is essential in buildings etc. so wait till you get the phone and give it a try.
I tried the Band Switching application in the Special Edition ROM, it made no real difference.
Slightly off topic can someone point me to an explanation of UMTS???
What are the differences between the X10i and X10a? I know the Canadian version (x10a) has a different radio then the X10i (Europe).
This is the Only Differences I could find.
X10I......... GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS1700, UMTS2100 .................... HSDPA 7.2 Mbit
X10A........ GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS800, UMTS850, UMTS1900, UMTS2100 ...... HSDPA 10.2 Mbit
Is there else anything that might be different??
As far as i know, no.
Only the 3G frequency which is different in north america (well, only for some carriers).
Rogers, afaik is using 850 so you need X10a otherway no 3G
i think the HSDPA speeds are the same for both, the only difference is one of the 3G bands
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 - X10a for Americas
Is there a way to convert between the X10i and the X10a?
Please advise if there is a tutorial link or something.
Thank you for your help.
Regards L
You can't do that.. maybe if you change the Chip..
X10a has 800/850/1900/2100 WCDMA and quad band GSM/EDGE
X10i has 900/1700/2100 WCDMA and quad band GSM/EDGE
'a' uses QSD8650 processor 'i' uses QSD8250
800 WCDMA band if anyone wonders is for DoCoMo in Japan.
Hello. How can I identify which one I have?
Thanks!
Check label under battery
leobg said:
Check label under battery
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...or check the box it came with. It should be written above the IMEI and serial # barcodes.
Service menu to look up model info
RSchmauk said:
Hello. How can I identify which one I have?
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Or to bring up the service menu when the screen with the slider is up (screen locked),
Press Menu Back Back Menu Back Menu Menu Back
(Menu is the first button from the left, Back is the last)
It's under Service Info > Model Info
X10 in Canada
In this case, for the Canadian market, I believe the X10i is compatible with Wind Mobile (1700), while X10a is with Rogers/Fido/Chatr. Am I wrong?
you are correct, for HSPA rogers, bell, and telus are all on the 850 and use x10a
wind mobile has the same frequency as t-mobile USA so x10i would work. however wind mobile is only available in select very few markets
I have a X10i and can receive 3G on Rogers in Canada. On the side of my box it says UMTS/HSPA Band 1/2/5/6 (Along with the quad band GSM), can someone explain to me what the numbers mean?
odd ...
That's odd because I have a x10i and it says UMTS/HSPA 1/4/8
I also don't know what these numbers mean so basically have the same question.
Where did you get yours from? And are you sure it is a X10i and are you sure you have 3G? Does the data connection icon say "G" or "3G"? I'm asking because based on previous discussion, x10i is not supposed to work on Rogers so I'm very surprised.
Right underneath the bands mine says SV, DA, FI, NO which I believe stands for Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway as their localization codes.
It says 3G beside the signal bar, and here are picts of my service menu:
The service menu says I have an X10i
Here are the bands it supports, the service menu has the same band numbers as on my box:
Bought the phone used for the wife. So can anyone explain the band numbers?, as I am not familiar with SE phones, I have always used HTC
According to the UMTS bands table from wikipedia, those numbers mean 2100, 1900, 850, 800
I can't post the link because I'm a new user and the system doesn't allow me to post the links but if you wikipedia umts you'll find it.
I didn't know different x10i's could support different bands. I wonder if this means a different hardware as well or just a software change. Anyone?
I maybe wrong but I did read of people changing the firmware from the 10a to the 10i this will NOT change the radios.. simple way to check is to look under the battery label as the software can be changed.
kiru said:
It says 3G beside the signal bar, and here are picts of my service menu:
The service menu says I have an X10i
Here are the bands it supports, the service menu has the same band numbers as on my box:
Bought the phone used for the wife. So can anyone explain the band numbers?, as I am not familiar with SE phones, I have always used HTC
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I used to have an Xperia X1a, and everytime i did flash a rom, my phone was always a x1i, but was fully functional, what i need to do was copy a simple modelname.txt file to the windows folder with x1a in it, and the phone became a x1a, i think that the model we get on the about screen is from some file on the rom, but what really defines the model is the hardware, not the sticker from behind.
my 2 cents
Etranger135 said:
According to the UMTS bands table from wikipedia, those numbers mean 2100, 1900, 850, 800
I can't post the link because I'm a new user and the system doesn't allow me to post the links but if you wikipedia umts you'll find it.
I didn't know different x10i's could support different bands. I wonder if this means a different hardware as well or just a software change. Anyone?
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Thanks for the info! So does this mean that I really have an X10a that had been flashed? Sorry for the newbie questions, but this is the first time for me playing with an Andriod device. In my phone settings "About phone" is says:
Model Number - X10i
Firmware Version - 1.6 (I assume this is the Andriod version)
Baseband Version - 1.0.10
Kernal Version - 2.6.29-rel
Build Number - R1FA010
Is the build number the Andriod release number? ie. like windows mobile, there is wm6 with build 23xxx?
(I have never flashed the phone since I got it)
for changing from x10i to x10a and vice versa but there r a problem Flashing your Xperia X10i to X10a (and vice versa) will result in SEUS not being able to update your phone for future updates
sry am a new user so send me an email and i'll send u the link
[email protected]
... In the AT&T and International versions of the Atrix... why can we not enable HSPA/UMTS on 900MHz through flashing radios or other software means?
Edit: Phone is an unlocked AT&T version on O2 UK with O2 sim.
Because the 900MHz band that the Atrix uses is part of the quad-band GSM, which is 2G/EDGE, not UMTS. Those are two different standards.
tehrules said:
... In the AT&T and International versions of the Atrix... why can we not enable HSPA/UMTS on 900MHz through flashing radios or other software means?
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live4nyy said:
Because the 900MHz band that the Atrix uses is part of the quad-band GSM, which is 2G/EDGE, not UMTS. Those are two different standards.
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But the international supports UMTS/WCDMA/3G/3.5/HSDPA/HSPA/HSPA+ on 900mhz going by all of the spec sheets I read.
UTMS is 3G. HSDPA is 3.5. A standard of WCDMA. HSPA is another WCDMA standard which again is a 3G Technology (3.7G?)... Either way they all come off the same 3G cell
Atrix International: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
Atrix AT&T: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix-3709.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix_4g-3708.php
Same hardware. Why can it not be enabled?
I don't know about the other bands but you specifically mentioned the 900MHz band so that was what I was talking about.
More than likely the carriers have locked the radios and/or hardware. It's like other carrier's world phones will not work on AT&T/T-mobile, even though they technically can support those bands.
http://www.androidcentral.com/ask-ac-what-happens-if-i-put-att-sim-card-motorola-photon-4g
http://www.androidcentral.com/will-droid-pro-work-att
tehrules said:
But the international supports UMTS/WCDMA/3G/3.5/HSDPA/HSPA/HSPA+ on 900mhz going by all of the spec sheets I read.
UTMS is 3G. HSDPA is 3.5. A standard of WCDMA. HSPA is another WCDMA standard which again is a 3G Technology (3.7G?)... Either way they all come off the same 3G cell
Atrix International: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
Atrix AT&T: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix-3709.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix_4g-3708.php
Same hardware. Why can it not be enabled?
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I'll also add, there are a couple of threads on here that report that people have flashed other radios and seemed to have enabled access to 3G technologies on 900mhz.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18820309&postcount=22.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19879245&postcount=1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15811026&postcount=7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991912
live4nyy said:
I don't know about the other bands but you specifically mentioned the 900MHz band so that was what I was talking about.
More than likely the carriers have locked the radios and/or hardware. It's like other carrier's world phones will not work on AT&T/T-mobile, even though they technically can support those bands.
http://www.androidcentral.com/ask-ac-what-happens-if-i-put-att-sim-card-motorola-photon-4g
http://www.androidcentral.com/will-droid-pro-work-att
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Thing is, its an unlocked AT&T phone on O2, and I want to take advantage of their new "Superfast 3G 900" network..
Maybe I should have made clear in the first post... woops.
Okay, the first two links do not show any proof they got it working on UMTS 900MHz band.
In this thread, the OP last updated his post (on Oct 8th) stating that he is stuck on EDGE:
Read post #1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313485
Again, in this thread, the OP (in post #3) says that he never got it working and the last person to comment (post #7) only says they got it working on the 2100MHz band, not 900MHz:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19879245#post19879245
In your last two links (which come from the same thread) only one person "says" they got it working but provided no proof or means:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15811026#post15811026
I wish I could help. I'm not saying it's impossible but as far as I know, 3G (HSPA/UMTS/WCDMA) can't be done on the 900MHz band if you're using an AT&T Atrix.
tehrules said:
I'll also add, there are a couple of threads on here that report that people have flashed other radios and seemed to have enabled access to 3G technologies on 900mhz.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18820309&postcount=22.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19879245&postcount=1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15811026&postcount=7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991912
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live4nyy said:
Okay, the first two links do not show any proof they got it working on UMTS 900MHz band.
In this thread, the OP last updated his post (on Oct 8th) stating that he is stuck on EDGE:
Read post #1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313485
Again, in this thread, the OP (in post #3) says that he never got it working and the last person to comment (post #7) only says they got it working on the 2100MHz band, not 900MHz:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19879245#post19879245
In your last two links (which come from the same thread) only one person "says" they got it working but provided no proof or means:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15811026#post15811026
I wish I could help. I'm not saying it's impossible but as far as I know, 3G (HSPA/UMTS/WCDMA) can't be done on the 900MHz band if you're using an AT&T Atrix.
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There doesn't seem to be any logic to why other than software as the radios taken out of all firmwares work on both versions. The only logical answer is software (if I could SBF flash a UK firmware, not CWM that would help, but there was other differences with the mainboard right?), or its the same chip just slightly modified without that band included.
I was mooching around system folders trying to find anything that could give me a clue, but to no avail.
I think it has something to do with what module is used, which is a hardware component. I know the AT&T Atrix uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 but I have no idea what other versions use.
I might be wrong though.
tehrules said:
There doesn't seem to be any logic to why other than software as the radios taken out of all firmwares work on both versions. The only logical answer is software (if I could SBF flash a UK firmware, not CWM that would help, but there was other differences with the mainboard right?), or its the same chip just slightly modified without that band included.
I was mooching around system folders trying to find anything that could give me a clue, but to no avail.
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live4nyy said:
I think it has something to do with what module is used, which is a hardware component. I know the AT&T Atrix uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 but I have no idea what other versions use.
I might be wrong though.
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Indeed, so logic would say that if we flash international radios for a different module (if they are different) would soft brick the phone or cause the phone to no get any kind of reception what so ever.
I do find the international radios and att radios (other than the stock and 1.87) make the H+ signal level not go over 1 bar.
I'm not sure about bricking the device but I know they usually have those radios locked down pretty good which is why most people need to buy unlock codes or get their carrier to unlock their phones for them. It's not very common that end users can crack them.
tehrules said:
Indeed, so logic would say that if we flash international radios for a different module (if they are different) would soft brick the phone or cause the phone to no get any kind of reception what so ever.
I do find the international radios and att radios (other than the stock and 1.87) make the H+ signal level not go over 1 bar.
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live4nyy said:
I'm not sure about bricking the device but I know they usually have those radios locked down pretty good which is why most people need to buy unlock codes or get their carrier to unlock their phones for them. It's not very common that end users can crack them.
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SIM Lock and Radio locks are two completely different things. SIM locks are easy to break with a £10 note and a guy with some device, a radio lock is more difficult we dunno if its hardware or software.
Has anyone got an international/uk/europe Atrix that they'd kindly tear to pieces to see if its the same cellular modem?
Since Nokia does clearly say everywhere else except the US that 920 does support 1700Mhz (for obvious reasons), I wonder if the hardware in the AT&T version will be the same as in the int'l version and it'll just be a matter of unlocking the phone to use it on TMo.
Opinions?
I noticed that too!!
Its now PentaBand WCDMA/HSPA+ at 42Mbps. They added WCDMA 1700Mhz band on the specs.
Originally when the phone was announced last month was listed as QuadBand WCDMA missing the AWS band at 1700Mhz.
If this is true it means one of the following:
1.The band was always there and for some reason software locked and they decided unlock it and release it as a PendaBand.
2.They listen to the complaints (pretty much the same way they did and released the Cyan Color) as the missing AWS band was one the biggest complaints especially from T-Mobile USA subscribers and they decided to include it as well.
3.It is just a typo and Lumia 920 is still QuadBand HSPA.
4.It was a typo from the very beginning and Lumia 920 was always PentaBand.
Now assuming the the phone is PendaBand HSPA+ it will perfectly work with T-Mobile USA current 3G at AWS and with the reformed Network at 1900 they are preparing. It will work with both at 42Mbps speed.
The original unlocked Lumia 920 listed the following 5 LTE bands 800 / 1800 / 2600 / 900 / 2100.
If the unlocked phone comes with those LTE bands will be incompatible with T-Mobile USA upcoming 4G LTE network.
However the American model which AT&T will carry exclusively has the following LTE bands 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100
If Nokia also release an unlock/unbranded version of the American model with the above LTE bands and PentaBand HSPA+ this model along with the 42Mbps HSPA will also support T-Mobile's upcoming 4G LTE that coming mid of next year with theoretical speeds of 100Mbps.
Releasing this device will be the perfect option for T-Mobile subscribers as it will be future-proof for their upcoming LTE network.
I am curious to see whats really going on here. Meanwhile I am crossing my fingers. :good:
So Nokia needs to release a international us version?
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lovenokia said:
So Nokia needs to release a international us version?
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Unlocked/Unbranded version of the American model is the correct way of putting it.
Nokia used to have to versions of the unlock devices in the past. The regular version which was usually the European/International model and the NAM versions for North America.
Many devices came like that in the past including the N95 & N95 NAM, 5800 & 5800 NAM, N97 & N97 NAM etc.
All had QuadBand GSM and different bands for 3G, the NAM versions had the American bands for AT&T USA and Rogers for Canada.
Now that PentaBand is standard for 3G/WCDMA, they need to release (and I hope this is the case) the European Model with the European LTE bands and a "NAM" model with the American LTE frequencies.
I guess time will tell what exactly the case is going to be.
But again this is for LTE. Assuming that the information on the spec-sheet is correct and the Lumia 920 comes with WCDMA/AWS 1700 then it will work perfectly with T-Mobile USA and AT&T's HSPA+ at 42Mpbs.
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I noticed that too!!
Its now PentaBand WCDMA/HSPA+ at 42Mbps. They added WCDMA 1700Mhz band on the specs.
Originally when the phone was announced last month was listed as QuadBand WCDMA missing the AWS band at 1700Mhz.
If this is true it means one of the following:
1.The band was always there and for some reason software locked and they decided unlock it and release it as a PendaBand.
2.They listen to the complaints (pretty much the same way they did and released the Cyan Color) as the missing AWS band was one the biggest complaints especially from T-Mobile USA subscribers and they decided to include it as well.
3.It is just a typo and Lumia 920 is still QuadBand HSPA.
4.It was a typo from the very beginning and Lumia 920 was always PentaBand.
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Unfortunatly number 3 is the correct answer.
According to WPCentral.com the AWS 1700Mhz WCDMA support for T-Mobile 3G that listed in specs are just a typo on the website.
If this is the case, you can still use the Lumia 920 under T-Mobile 3G at 1900Mhz.
T-Mobile is reforming their Network and releasing 3G to 1900Mhz now, the problem is that we do not know what markets/areas has this already or how fast the project is moving on and when it will get complete..
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Unfortunatly number 3 is the correct answer.
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That's wrong, because this phone will be using the Snapdragon S4 Plus (MSM8960) which uses Software Defined Radio (SDR) for determining their bands. Obviously you cannot use all at the same time, but any one at any time. The HW supports this (according to the Qualcomm reference design), and if it hasn't been supported before in this chipset, it's probably due poor modem programming and/or unstable behavior, and/or band/bandwidth throttling by service providers networks. It's also an efficient way to make sure your Verizon mobile cannot use AT&T networks and vice verse...
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That's wrong, because this phone will be using the Snapdragon S4 Plus (MSM8960) which uses Software Defined Radio (SDR) for determining their bands. Obviously you cannot use all at the same time, but any one at any time. The HW supports this (according to the Qualcomm reference design), and if it hasn't been supported before in this chipset, it's probably due poor modem programming and/or unstable behavior, and/or band/bandwidth throttling by service providers networks. It's also an efficient way to make sure your Verizon mobile cannot use AT&T networks and vice verse...
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That is why I said its Number 3, according to WPCentral. I am aware of the SDR in the latest generation of Snapdragons, however as its name mention its programmable, meaning they may have turn off the AWS...
For me it doesn't make any sense to list the phone originally with QuadBand WCDMA and then add AWS and list it as a PentaBand.
I mean if it is wrong and its missing the AWS that is making the original listing with QuadBand the correct one, so why they bother changing it?
In the other hand if the SDR scenario applies and the AWS is already there, they may just heard the complains and simply turned ON the AWS band, that is why they added in to the specs meanwhile the Nokia representative that WPCentral reached may not be aware of the new specs yet...
All these are different scenarios, unless we have an official clarification from Nokia, we cannot know for sure until Lumia 920 its been released.
PS. Can you post the link with the detailed specifications of the Snapdragon S4 detailing the SDR? The specs I found does not include any information regarding this. If I am not mistaken and remember correctly SDR is affecting LTE only and its able to catch from 700Mhz - 2600Mhz (for LTE), its programmable to deliver everything between these bands but limited to deliver 5 Bands at a time. I do not remember mentioning WCDMA to be compatible with the SDR, but I may be wrong on that. Please feel free to correct me if that's the case.
According to FCC documents, looks like AWS is there. Question... Will it be disabled in the AT&T version? Unlock possible?
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According to FCC documents, looks like AWS is there. Question... Will it be disabled in the AT&T version? Unlock possible?
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I read that the FCC Documents for the AT&T model are mentioning AWS (1700) for LTE. This is normal as AT&T's LTE is operating also in AWS.
I didn't read anything regarding AWS for 3G/WCDMA.
If you read back, it specifically mentions wcdma 1700. Document differentiates between lte freqs and wcdma ones.
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Different frequency bands between AT&T/T-Mobile/Rogers/Telus versions of HTC One M9
I've tried to dig up the info as to what the differences are in terms of frequency bands available for each of the different GSM versions of the HTC One M9. This is what I came up with from the carrier websites:
AT&T
• UMTS: I/II/ V
• LTE: 2/3/4/5/7/12/17/29
T-Mobile
• UMTS: I/II/IV/V
• LTE : 2/3/4/7/12/17
Rogers
• UMTS: I/II/IV/V
• LTE: 2/3/4/5/7/12/13/17/29/30
Telus
• UMTS: I/II/V
• LTE : 1/2/4/5/7/13/17
Does anyone know if this is indeed accurate? Does someone have the proper info? Thanks.
I have searched and seen so much conflicting information. I finally used a link where you can insert your IMEI and it will show you the band's the manufacturers say are on the phone. Anyway the AT&T version seems to also have Band 4 WCDMA and Band 13 LTE...if you want the kink to insert your IMEI let me know.
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I have searched and seen so much conflicting information. I finally used a link where you can insert your IMEI and it will show you the band's the manufacturers say are on the phone. Anyway the AT&T version seems to also have Band 4 WCDMA and Band 13 LTE...if you want the kink to insert your IMEI let me know.
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Sure, I'd be interested in the link. Thanks.
I was initially asking the question because I was planning to buy an unlocked version directly from HTC (which, from my understanding, supports the same bands as the AT&T version), but based on the specs I've seen on Rogers' and AT&T's websites, there was no mention of WCDMA band IV on AT&T's site, but there was on Rogers' site, so I opted for the Rogers version.
Link to Check All Bands on your phone before you buy
Here is the LINK:
https://imeidata.net/check
Any seller should be willing to give you the IMEI before you buy so you can verify what the manufacturer says is the GSM, WCDMA & LTE Bands.
Please hit the thanks button if this helps...
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Sure, I'd be interested in the link. Thanks.
I was initially asking the question because I was planning to buy an unlocked version directly from HTC (which, from my understanding, supports the same bands as the AT&T version), but based on the specs I've seen on Rogers' and AT&T's websites, there was no mention of WCDMA band IV on AT&T's site, but there was on Rogers' site, so I opted for the Rogers version.
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