Hi All,
I'm seeking the opinion of current Rose owners.
The north american version of the Rose is about to be released in Canada (labelled as HTC S743) It looks to be identical in all respects to the S740 except that the radio is adjusted for north american 3G frequencies.
I'm currently using the S730 and I used to have a VOX until my wife decided that she liked it. When I look at the specs for the S743 and the reviews online, my initial reaction is that I MUST have one. But before I go out and spend that kind of money, my questions for you Rose owners are:
Do you find it more responsive than its predecessors? (Wings, Vox)
Does it fit comfortably in your pocket or would you recommend getting a belt-case?
How is the battery life given moderate use? (~1 hour talking each day, bluetooth always on, Directpush mail enabled during working hours)
If you could change one thing about your Rose, what would it be?
I appreciate any opinions you have to offer.
Thanks,
Canuk
Canuk said:
Hi All,
I'm seeking the opinion of current Rose owners.
The north american version of the Rose is about to be released in Canada (labelled as HTC S743) It looks to be identical in all respects to the S740 except that the radio is adjusted for north american 3G frequencies.
I'm currently using the S730 and I used to have a VOX until my wife decided that she liked it. When I look at the specs for the S743 and the reviews online, my initial reaction is that I MUST have one. But before I go out and spend that kind of money, my questions for you Rose owners are:
Do you find it more responsive than its predecessors? (Wings, Vox)
Does it fit comfortably in your pocket or would you recommend getting a belt-case?
How is the battery life given moderate use? (~1 hour talking each day, bluetooth always on, Directpush mail enabled during working hours)
If you could change one thing about your Rose, what would it be?
I appreciate any opinions you have to offer.
Thanks,
Canuk
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Not sure if i am a good reference, since i am absolutely in love with this device. am still trying to answer your questions:
More responsive? absolutely so. owned a vox before that, and these two devices are worlds apart. both processor power and ram wise (ran out of ram on the vox on several occasions resulting in program crashes when simultaniously running nav software and pocket player for example. never happened with the rose so far, and doubt it ever will. not even gonna start talking about lockups on the vox because of the rather feeble processor.)
Will it fit a pocket? depends on your pocket i suppose. fits fine in mine (i do not wear baggy pants. its not really that large anyways. compared to the vox: same depth, slimmer, but a bit longer.)
battery life moderate use? mine lasts for about 24 hours. not sure if that could be a reference point tho: fairly heavy browsing, 3g and bluetooth and ActiveSync push on 24/7, tons of progs running in the background, a2dp stream for 2-3 hours, sometimes some wifi. itll definately last from morning till sometime around midnight.
if i could change one thing? acquiring my baby ripped quite a big hole into my pocket back then...
hope that helps,
.-ombre-.
Released in Canada by whom, and where???
I just got one last week. If you like the Vox & Wings then you'll absolutely love the Rose.
This phone is very responsive. The typical annoyance of HTC smartpones like: unresponsive keypad, d-pad that occasionally missed when action key is pressed are gone. The addition of GPS is a big welcome.
Regarding the size, It's a bit longer but narrower, so it felt good on the palm and can be easily slipped into the pocket. I use a landyard and carry it naked.
Regarding battery life: I push my email and let my messanger on all day and the battery can last for the whole day. So the battery is good.
If I could change one thing: I wish it has video call ability like the wings.
Thanks for your feedback. I really appreciate it and you have helped me make my decision.
Ombre - I share your pain on the cash outlay! Fortunately this would qualify as a legitimate business expense for me so I don't have to shoulder the entire $$ burden myself.
Kardboard - It was supposed to be released on Expansys this Monday, but I've just checked the site and it seems we are going to have to wait for a couple more weeks.
Thanks again!
Canuk
AVE...
I'm using HTC S740 for two months now. It is polish language version(I'm from Poland) and there are few things a bit irritating.
First of all, the WM6.1 apps, like Comm Manager, IE, QuickGPS and such, can't be closed other way, than by using task manager. There is an option in Comm Manager labelled "Close" but it doesn't work.
Office, which was installed by HTC, is useless: I can't copy text from any text files. Yesterday I wrote long letter to my friend using Office, I wanted to send it via MMS. I couldn't copy the text, and when I sent her the whole file as attachment to MMS, she got some squares instead of letters.
IE and Opera are terribly slow. Opera is also terribly unstable. I can't login to some sites because even if I select the "log in" button, I can't "click" it. Odd.
CHome Configurator can't edit most of panels on my screen. I can't either add new panels.
And there is also battery cover, which is not holding to the phne well enough, but I think it's only in my phone. Besides, the plastic lens protector is often hard to clean-up and is distorting the photos. It should be made of glass...
And it would be nice to have push-to-talk available as it is rather software-made. The commercial software for PTT can't interface with standard protocol used by my GSM operator, because it uses its own standards and can work only with other phones with proper software installed. And because my friends are using Nokias with native PTT support, I can't communicate with them via PTT...
Urgon said:
AVE...
I'm using HTC S740 for two months now. It is polish language version(I'm from Poland) and there are few things a bit irritating.
First of all, the WM6.1 apps, like Comm Manager, IE, QuickGPS and such, can't be closed other way, than by using task manager. There is an option in Comm Manager labelled "Close" but it doesn't work.
Office, which was installed by HTC, is useless: I can't copy text from any text files. Yesterday I wrote long letter to my friend using Office, I wanted to send it via MMS. I couldn't copy the text, and when I sent her the whole file as attachment to MMS, she got some squares instead of letters.
IE and Opera are terribly slow. Opera is also terribly unstable. I can't login to some sites because even if I select the "log in" button, I can't "click" it. Odd.
CHome Configurator can't edit most of panels on my screen. I can't either add new panels.
And there is also battery cover, which is not holding to the phne well enough, but I think it's only in my phone. Besides, the plastic lens protector is often hard to clean-up and is distorting the photos. It should be made of glass...
And it would be nice to have push-to-talk available as it is rather software-made. The commercial software for PTT can't interface with standard protocol used by my GSM operator, because it uses its own standards and can work only with other phones with proper software installed. And because my friends are using Nokias with native PTT support, I can't communicate with them via PTT...
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Maybe you're using Opera 9.5 for the PPC and not the SP one (there's no opera 9.5 for the SP).
Just use Iris Browser, latest versions are very good.
Urgon said:
AVE...
I'm using HTC S740 for two months now. It is polish language version(I'm from Poland) and there are few things a bit irritating.
First of all, the WM6.1 apps, like Comm Manager, IE, QuickGPS and such, can't be closed other way, than by using task manager. There is an option in Comm Manager labelled "Close" but it doesn't work.
Office, which was installed by HTC, is useless: I can't copy text from any text files. Yesterday I wrote long letter to my friend using Office, I wanted to send it via MMS. I couldn't copy the text, and when I sent her the whole file as attachment to MMS, she got some squares instead of letters.
IE and Opera are terribly slow. Opera is also terribly unstable. I can't login to some sites because even if I select the "log in" button, I can't "click" it. Odd.
CHome Configurator can't edit most of panels on my screen. I can't either add new panels.
And there is also battery cover, which is not holding to the phne well enough, but I think it's only in my phone. Besides, the plastic lens protector is often hard to clean-up and is distorting the photos. It should be made of glass...
And it would be nice to have push-to-talk available as it is rather software-made. The commercial software for PTT can't interface with standard protocol used by my GSM operator, because it uses its own standards and can work only with other phones with proper software installed. And because my friends are using Nokias with native PTT support, I can't communicate with them via PTT...
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To do Cut/Paste, switch/Kill taks, use Smart Tool Kit, it's free:
http://smarttoolkit.wordpress.com/download/
About CHome, I can add windows Live, Contacts (several pages) without any problems.
Opera for smartphone is only version 8.5. Use OperaMini, it's really good and free.
AVE...
[email protected]
This program is great. Thank you.
And yes, I used wrong version of Opera. But for now I'll use Iris...
There are also two programs I wish to recommend for any Rose user:
Mobipocket Reader - for ebooks;
Palringo - for IM.
I used Mobipocket Reader before with Nokia E50(Symbian s60v3) and I must tell you: it's very good piece of freeware.
On the other hand Palringo has limited functionality. It can connect with many IM protocols(unfortunately not with Gadu-Gadu), but it has some functions I like: it can send voice messages and photos to anyone on IM contact list and it works well with Jabber transports. I tried few Jabber clients, but they didn't worked well enough...
[email protected] said:
To do Cut/Paste, switch/Kill taks, use Smart Tool Kit, it's free:
http://smarttoolkit.wordpress.com/download/...QUOTE]
I must say, also for me is it a nuisance (and incomprehensible) that you can't select text in Word Mobile to copy/cut/paste it.
Actually it makes Word Mobile a useless app.
So I tried Smarttoolkit, but I have a few major problems when running Smarttoolkit (S740 often slows down / freezes, programs folder is empty) and I can't find the edit function.
So, while it seems to have some nice tools, is seems an unfinished product and the option I installed it for doesn't seem to work (or maybe I'm a bit stupid).
Anyone have another solution to select text in Word Mobile ?
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I'm fresh from a nokia e61, here's my take after about a week's worth of use:
Responsiveness is as fast as most smartphones on the market today. Not exactly dumbphone-snappy, but not nearly slow enough to get in your way. The only thing that might bug you is the one-second delay you get when you slide the thing open and shut on anything except the home screen; personally, I didn't mind it that much.
Does it fit comfortably in your pocket or would you recommend getting a belt-case?
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Funny you should ask that…when I first cracked the box open, it had a sticker on the screen that said, I quote, "remove phone from pants pocket before sitting down." Found it kinda ironic, as it's not nearly hefty or bulky enough to actually warrant such a label. To be fair, it's rather hefty compared to most phones, and in fact about as thick as a whiteboard marker. I've found the design hides its bulk quite well (the faceted back cover in fact makes it look slimmer than it is).
Battery life was disappointing, frankly, but as a disclaimer, my previous phone had a ridiculously long-lasting battery for a smartphone. I'm able to pull about a day's worth of usage with auto-checking email every 5 minutes, about 8 texts in and out, 3G on, and light wifi browsing.
Change? I only wish there was some kind of quick-launch panel on the main menu that would let me scroll through and fire up any application I want. Also, kinda ties into the previous point, but a more efficient task-switcher would be welcome. I've noticed the home button doesn't do much else aside from…well…take you home. It would be nice if they mapped a long press of that button to some kind of juiced up task manager.
Another thing that bugs me is the inconsistent function of the "back" button. In some apps it deletes, in other times (like menu navigation) it takes you to the previously viewed menu/app, some other times it serves as a back button from within an application.
As for fortes, I think the best feature would be HTC's homescreen GUI overlay. It's extremely functional and logical, listing clock, calendar, missed calls and alerts, messaging, mail, etc, etc. I've found it to be so functional, in fact, that I hardly ever dive into the (admittedly rather unsightly) underlying WinMo menus. For most information you might need at-a-glance from your mobile, the homescreen certainly delivers.
Just my take. Hope it helps you, or if not, some other forum-lurker or prospective buyer.
peseta said:
[email protected] said:
To do Cut/Paste, switch/Kill taks, use Smart Tool Kit, it's free:
http://smarttoolkit.wordpress.com/download/...QUOTE]
I must say, also for me is it a nuisance (and incomprehensible) that you can't select text in Word Mobile to copy/cut/paste it.
Actually it makes Word Mobile a useless app.
So I tried Smarttoolkit, but I have a few major problems when running Smarttoolkit (S740 often slows down / freezes, programs folder is empty) and I can't find the edit function.
So, while it seems to have some nice tools, is seems an unfinished product and the option I installed it for doesn't seem to work (or maybe I'm a bit stupid).
Anyone have another solution to select text in Word Mobile ?
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Try Vito CopyPaste.
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Hi ninethreetwo,
Thanks for the input. I definitely prefer to carry the phone in my pocket. I've had some larger phones in the past that were too big for pockets (Blue Angel, Harrier, Palm 700wx) and I just couldn't find a convenient place to put the belt case. I was always catching in on things or crushing it when I got in to the car. One of the reasons for buying a Vox was the compact and "pocket friendly" form factor.
ninethreetwo said:
Change? I only wish there was some kind of quick-launch panel on the main menu that would let me scroll through and fire up any application I want. Also, kinda ties into the previous point, but a more efficient task-switcher would be welcome. I've noticed the home button doesn't do much else aside from…well…take you home. It would be nice if they mapped a long press of that button to some kind of juiced up task manager.
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I can relate. My one complaint about many of the smartphone interfaces is that it oftentimes takes too many clicks to get what I want. On the Wings I modificed the HTC interface slightly to include the recent apps gui (like in the default interface) which helped tremendously.
Thanks again for your feedback! I appreciate the time that you and the other contributers to this thread have taken to provide such considered and detailed responses.
Thanks,
Canuk
AVE...
I must say, also for me is it a nuisance (and incomprehensible) that you can't select text in Word Mobile to copy/cut/paste it.
Actually it makes Word Mobile a useless app.
So I tried Smarttoolkit, but I have a few major problems when running Smarttoolkit (S740 often slows down / freezes, programs folder is empty) and I can't find the edit function.
So, while it seems to have some nice tools, is seems an unfinished product and the option I installed it for doesn't seem to work (or maybe I'm a bit stupid).
Anyone have another solution to select text in Word Mobile ?
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You can select text in Word Mobile. As Master Yoda would say: "use the [shift] key, Luke". Simply open file, select EDIT, place cursor where you want to start your selection, hold down [shift] and scroll down with D-Pad.
Next, for SmartToolkit work you must install RC8 version. Also in Control Panel>General set "On Homescreen" to be "SmartToolkit Taskbar", and in Control Panel > Hotkeys set [Clipboard] to be your D-Pad button. This way you will be able to use your standard options on Homescreen made by HTC and in the same time use SmartToolkit. And in Control Panel > Gadgets you can create easy-accessed shortcuts and Pop-up Launcher lists with your programs, it's very useful.
It looks like this:
ninethreetwo said:
Change? I only wish there was some kind of quick-launch panel on the main menu that would let me scroll through and fire up any application I want. Also, kinda ties into the previous point, but a more efficient task-switcher would be welcome. I've noticed the home button doesn't do much else aside from…well…take you home. It would be nice if they mapped a long press of that button to some kind of juiced up task manager.
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You can use CHome Configurator (grab the CAB from the Excalibur board) to add shorcuts to favorite applications at the home panels (See attached screenshot). It's very easy, here are the steps:
1. Open CHome Configurator
2. Show 'CLinks' and hilight it and press action to customize
3. Then Go to 'Menu/Page/New'
4. Then in the new page, click 'Menu\Template\Application Launcher'
5. Select the application that you want, set the name & icon
6. Repeat the procedure for as many shortcut as you like
7. Once finished, save at exit.
Other alternative is to use quick launcher application like xBar, RightMenu, SmartToolKit or just use a different theme which use rjshorcut plugins. The best place to get S740 themes is here:
http://www.nectun.com/galerie.php?langue=en&id_type_skin=-1&id_type_tel=15
Use this free Theme Changer to compliment the themes that you download:
http://www.ifihadadollarforeverytimesomeonesaidthatiwouldhavemyownwebsite.com/ThemeChanger/
To remapped the home key, you can use software like AEButtonPlus or Hotbutton Plus
Cheers!
Thenext1 and Urgon, thank you for your replies.
I downloaded Vito CopyPaste version 1.3 and installed it.
It does work (e.g. in Mail), however for some reason doesn't in Word Mobile.
Very disappointing
The selection method of shift+D-pad works, so at last I can edit text afterwards.
However copy/cut/paste with ctrl+C/X/V doesn't work in Word Mobile.
This (regular) option however works in other apps (e.g. Mail, SMS, Contacts).
I also installed SmartToolkit RC08 and changed the settings as suggested.
It certainly works now very well and isn't intrusive for the Home screen with HTC sliding panels. It also (for now) doesn't slow down or freeze (like I experienced with RC09).
But, while I can get copy/cut/paste working in other applications, also this doesn't work in Word Mobile.
Is somehow in Word Mobile the possibility of using copy/cut/paste blocked ?
AVE...
It shall work, certainly works for me. You have to hold down the D-pad button for 0,5 seconds to access clipboard menu. It may be also required to restart your phone in order to make it work.
Below you can see my clipboard menu in Word Mobile.
BTW, the whole Office package is useless, because you can't create new documents.
Urgon said:
AVE...
It shall work, certainly works for me. You have to hold down the D-pad button for 0,5 seconds to access clipboard menu. It may be also required to restart your phone in order to make it work.
Below you can see my clipboard menu in Word Mobile.
BTW, the whole Office package is useless, because you can't create new documents.
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I agree, especially Word mobile is completely useless, even for opening documents created on a PC.
Excel sort-of works when opening documents.
Powerpoint instead is near-perfect.
Well, I tried copy/paste again with SmartToolkit in Word Mobile and now it worked. Must have done something wrong before.
That Word Mobile is a very crippled text editor is certainly true.
But sometimes you really need a text-editor and beggars can't be choosers.
On my reliable iPAQ hx4700 I use Textmaker, almost as powerfull as the Windows version, which is one of the best alternatives for MS Word. The same is true for Planmaker (PPC an Windows versions) as alternative for Excel.
The problem of not being able to create a new document or worksheet in WinMo 6 Standard can be solved easily bij copying an empty .doc and an empty.xls file from your PC to your Smartphone. Use these files and save them as another file afer editing (so you keep the empty files unchanged)
A more elegant solution is the free donew (I believe I saw this tip in one of the threads in this Rose forum, so credits where they are due): it creates 2 extra links in "Office Mobile" to an empty Word and empty Excel file.
Canuk said:
Do you find it more responsive than its predecessors? (Wings, Vox)
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I only had a few moments with Vox, but I would say that difference is quite noticable. Especially RAM is an overkill on Rose.
Canuk said:
Does it fit comfortably in your pocket or would you recommend getting a belt-case?
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I always carry it in my pocket without a problem. It isn't the thinniest phone in the world, though.
Canuk said:
How is the battery life given moderate use? (~1 hour talking each day, bluetooth always on, Directpush mail enabled during working hours)
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I would say 1.5 day on average. Mine lasts between 1 to 3 days depending on usage.
Canuk said:
If you could change one thing about your Rose, what would it be?
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Hard to say really, it doesn't miss much. I would like it a little bit thinner.
Does anyone else encounter similar problems with Quick Office's new update which allow us to type documents?
After the update, I have been using the word document function to a good extent but the app seems to be really buggy! The application will crash out of nowhere quite frequently and sometimes when I try to save my file, it'll say that it is saving and hangs there, and it didn't save.
As much as this is a highly anticipated update, its ridiculously halfbaked and just plain annoying to use. Would like to know if I'm just an isolated case or is this a common problem,
thanks =).
I've found it to be buggy as well, and I've only written one document with it. When I saved it it removed all the formatting including line breaks. All of a sudden my nicely laid out page with headings turned into one oversized paragraph in plain text
Fortunately I had copied the whole thing to the clipboard because I wanted to test something. So I deleted all the text, pasted, hit save and it crashed.
I then closed that document and opened a new one. Pasted the text, hit save, and it removed all the formatting again!
I tried a few more times, but every time it either crashed or removed the formatting *sigh*
I uninstalled and reinstalled Quick Office after that, but haven't tested it again. If it glitches again I'm just going to consider it useless.
Hows the ubuntu word processor? Is it any better? Have anyone tried it? Think i'm going to run Chroot ubuntu just to try it out..
I've been looking for the best app to take notes during class. It feels crazy that there's no Auto-Save in quick office.
One bug I've found to make it crash, when using the HP Bluetooth slim keyboard (if relevant) is, if I highlight a word, and type over it, it crashes. I lost like half my notes doing this. Now I just hit save every minute or two... and wish there was a keyboard (control s?) shortcut to do that.
I've also been trying Typewriter Beta... I really just want a Notepad esque text editor.. don't care about formatting really.
Fwiw, tapnote is the current winner. Least buggy of the ones I've tried.
. . NS4G . . CM7 . .
I found it to be generally useless as well. I just decided to use google docs (through the browser) for all of my notes. May try the office 2010 web suite as well.
Edit: Gdocs is working fantastically BTW, the only reason that I am considering using office is curiosity. Additionally, I have an app on my phone called camscanner so that if there are any handwritten notes, I can scan them with my phone (works surprisingly well), and share to Gdocs, and tie them to the typed notes I have taken.
I had the same issue. I tried to use it last week to take notes at a conference and it would lock up quite frequently saving to local storage. It happened often enough that I switched over to the built-in notepad app. I think I'm going to stick with that or perhaps even the email client for now with the hope/anticipation that when Android is on this puppy, I'll have significantly more options.
Update (Feb. 2016): ACCESS CO. released an official update for the Graffiti Pro app (v1.0.3) that addresses the height issue. So this module is no longer needed.
The classic handwriting recognition software from Palm, known as Graffiti™, is still available as a text input method for Android on the Play Store. Sadly, the publisher, Access Co., LTD., seems to have abandoned development and hasn't released any updates since 2011.
As a result, on modern Android devices with high resolution screens, the input area was too small to be useful... until now.
Graffiti Height Fix is an Xposed Framework module that makes the Graffiti™ input area taller on high resolution screens.
REQUIREMENTS
Rooted Android device
Xposed Framework
Graffiti™ 2.0.6 or Graffiti™ Pro 1.0.2 by ACCESS CO., LTD.
I am not affiliated with nor sponsored by ACCESS CO., LTD., I'm just a long time user of Graffiti since the old Palm days, who still finds it doing a much better job than any other text input method for handheld devices.
Source code on GitHub.
Also available on the Google Play Store.
Edit: if your device is really big and you don't want the text input area to be so large, see post #10 for half-height and two-thirds-height versions.
non root solution?
I am a long time graffitti user and unhappy that it doesn't work well on my LG G3. I'm excited by this solution, but concerned about rooting my phone. Will it mess up my Verizon service any? Is there another solution that doesn't require rooting?
The only ways I can think of to fix Graffiti without the need to root, are:
1) Official app updates from Access Co. (sadly unlikely at this point).
2) Modifying the app directly (something the Graffiti EULA explicitly forbids).
Just rooting won't cause any trouble with service. However, it might void the warranty or insurance, and you probably won't be able to install official Android OS updates from LG or Verizon while the device is rooted.
graffiti window height please...
I use graffiti since apple newton! This is the only keyboard which allows to enter text without paying attention to the screen. One request - with the fix ON the text field i too high now - can you please make it selectable height or simply half and/or 2/3 of the full size- I have got used to the already narrow strip of standard graffiti used at full HD resolution
Thank You for the idea!
I am not advanced enough to do it myself unfortunately even if the sources are available..
lukasz said:
I use graffiti since apple newton! This is the only keyboard which allows to enter text without paying attention to the screen. One request - with the fix ON the text field i too high now - can you please make it selectable height or simply half and/or 2/3 of the full size- I have got used to the already narrow strip of standard graffiti used at full HD resolution
Thank You for the idea!
I am not advanced enough to do it myself unfortunately even if the sources are available..
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I can't build the module right now, but it should be enough to edit https://github.com/Nephiel/android-...hiel/graffitiheightfix/GraffitiHeightFix.java and change the lines
Code:
/*
* Consider a 480x800 px screen where Graffiti area is 232 px high,
* use the same aspect ratio for other resolutions.
*/
private static final double ASPECT_RATIO_PORTRAIT = 3.448; // (800/232) (approx.)
private static final double ASPECT_RATIO_LANDSCAPE = 2.069; // (480/232) (approx.)
to this for half-height
Code:
/*
* Consider a 480x800 px screen with a Graffiti area 116 px high,
* use the same aspect ratio for other resolutions.
*/
private static final double ASPECT_RATIO_PORTRAIT = 6.896; // (800/116) (approx.)
private static final double ASPECT_RATIO_LANDSCAPE = 4.137; // (480/116) (approx.)
or this for 2/3
Code:
/*
* Consider a 480x800 px screen with a Graffiti area 116 px high,
* use the same aspect ratio for other resolutions.
*/
private static final double ASPECT_RATIO_PORTRAIT = 5.161; // (800/155) (approx.)
private static final double ASPECT_RATIO_LANDSCAPE = 3.096; // (480/155) (approx.)
and recompile.
Adding a user-selectable setting would be a good solution, but that means adding a preference screen to the module - I don't know how to do that yet.
Hello! Thank You for the quick answer!
I will try to replace the text in the file, the only thing left is that I need to google "how to recompile"
little progress...
Hello,
I have modified GraffitiHeightFix.java for "half size"
installed JDK,
added "path" variable,
attempted to compile,
and ended with 14 errors:
Katalog: C:\temp3\src\net\nephiel\graffitiheightfix
2015-08-17 02:16 <DIR> .
2015-08-17 02:16 <DIR> ..
2015-08-17 01:30 2*962 GraffitiHeightFix.java
1 plik(ów) 2*962 bajtów
2 katalog(ów) 79*646*793*728 bajtów wolnych
C:\temp3\src\net\nephiel\graffitiheightfix>javac GraffitiHeightFix.java
GraffitiHeightFix.java:3: error: package de.robv.android.xposed does not exist
import static de.robv.android.xposed.XposedHelpers.findAndHookMethod;
^
GraffitiHeightFix.java:3: error: static import only from classes and interfaces
import static de.robv.android.xposed.XposedHelpers.findAndHookMethod;
^
GraffitiHeightFix.java:4: error: package android.content does not exist
import android.content.Context;
^
GraffitiHeightFix.java:5: error: package android.graphics does not exist
import android.graphics.Point;
^
GraffitiHeightFix.java:6: error: package android.view does not exist
import android.view.Display;
^
GraffitiHeightFix.java:7: error: package android.view does not exist
import android.view.View;
^
GraffitiHeightFix.java:8: error: package android.view does not exist
import android.view.WindowManager;
^
GraffitiHeightFix.java:9: error: package de.robv.android.xposed does not exist
import de.robv.android.xposed.IXposedHookLoadPackage;
^
GraffitiHeightFix.java:10: error: package de.robv.android.xposed does not exist
import de.robv.android.xposed.XC_MethodHook;
^
GraffitiHeightFix.java:11: error: package de.robv.android.xposed.callbacks.XC_Lo
adPackage does not exist
import de.robv.android.xposed.callbacks.XC_LoadPackage.LoadPackageParam;
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GraffitiHeightFix.java:13: error: cannot find symbol
public class GraffitiHeightFix implements IXposedHookLoadPackage {
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symbol: class IXposedHookLoadPackage
GraffitiHeightFix.java:26: error: cannot find symbol
public void handleLoadPackage(LoadPackageParam lpparam) throws Throwable
{
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symbol: class LoadPackageParam
location: class GraffitiHeightFix
GraffitiHeightFix.java:33: error: cannot find symbol
XC_MethodHook setMeasuredDimensionHook = new XC_MethodHook() {
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symbol: class XC_MethodHook
location: class GraffitiHeightFix
GraffitiHeightFix.java:33: error: cannot find symbol
XC_MethodHook setMeasuredDimensionHook = new XC_MethodHook() {
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symbol: class XC_MethodHook
location: class GraffitiHeightFix
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C:\temp3\src\net\nephiel\graffitiheightfix>
Sounds like you are missing the Android SDK and the XposedBridge API. You could start here https://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/index.html
A good tutorial for creating Xposed modules is here https://github.com/rovo89/XposedBridge/wiki/Development-tutorial
Nephiel said:
Sounds like you are missing the Android SDK and the XposedBridge API. You could start here https://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/index.html
A good tutorial for creating Xposed modules is here https://github.com/rovo89/XposedBridge/wiki/Development-tutorial
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I have installed android studio.... and went as far as opening modified copy of Your c:\temp3\src\net\nephiel\graffitiheightfix\GraffitiHeightFix.java
I have no experience with programming nor with compilation... I will read but this seems to be slightly complex to get it right.
No chances that You may have the chance to compile ? just in case - my email is: [email protected]
I have built two alternate versions of the module - one with a half-height text input area, and one with a 2/3rds height.
You can find them here:
Half-height version
2/3rds height version
Nothing else has changed other than the height difference and using an updated version of the Android SDK to build.
Please test and let me know if it doesn't work.
Thank You, It Works!
Nephiel said:
I have built two alternate versions of the module - one with a half-height text input area, and one with a 2/3rds height.
You can find them here:
Half-height version
2/3rds height version
Nothing else has changed other than the height difference and using an updated version of the Android SDK to build.
Please test and let me know if it doesn't work.
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Thank You a lot for Your work! Fix works really well, for me 1/2 height is just perfect - slightly higher than the already reduced height Grafitti window on the Note 3. XDA developers allow great worldwide cooperation! Thank You for the clever concept and fixing one of the first text entry solutions for mobile devices!
Just a heads up: ACCESS CO. recently released an official update for the Graffiti Pro app that addresses the height issue. So this module is no longer needed. :victory:
Apparently the ad-supported free version is gone and the Pro version is now available for free.
Since the Palm days, through my HTC Wallaby and on to my current Note GT-N7000, I was just fine with Graffiti, later Graffiti Pro.
For the last several years I have been aware that a new update of Graffiti Pro would saddle my poor Note with a HUGE (shouting capitals intended) Graffiti input screen blocking out nearly half of my Note's viewable area. Diligently I avoided updating, but now Google has suddenly forced an unwanted update on me, in spite of my having selected No Automatic Updates. And so I now have an unwanted HUGE (shouting capitals intended) Graffiti input area.
Can anyone help me with:
1) an .apk for the older Graffiti Pro version with normally sized input area;
2) a way of completely blocking unwanted app updates from Google?
Yes I hear all the approval of the new size from all the up-to-date owners of "huge" new 'phones - Note 9 and suchlike - but it is not fair to the likes of me who were just fine with their original Galaxy Notes, that we can't readjust our Graffiti back to what it was. Of course it (including Google forced update policy) is all intended to force us to buy ever bigger, faster and more expensive devices. I realise that.
And now that there is a wonderful new HUGE (shouting capitals intended) version from Access Co. on Google, your "Graffiti Height Fix" doesn't work any more.
Perhaps you could develop a fix for this?
Ironic footnote: one AdamOutler once flamed me in these very fora for advocating such a "large" phone as the GT-N7000! Wonder what he thinks of the Note 9!
Update: Praise be for Titanium Backup! I was able to restore my old version of Graffiti Pro from an earlier backup after deleting the unwanted update.
I also discovered that with a recent pretty turbulent and large (42 MB) update to Open Street Maps from Google Play, said software site had taken it upon itself to update all my settings to "Automatic Update". I have now switched off every option which includes the word "automatic", so we'll see how that goes.
I would still be interested to hear from any developer with ways to restrain Google's unbridled lust for making us automatically lay all we have bare to their thirst for control of and data from our systems, such as forced updates.
As for Graffiti Height Control, I would describe it as useless, and I defend that. I do not use the term in today's lazy postmillennial sense as a catch-all for "bad", but simply because GHC does not function in any way. After installation it does not show as an app. It offers no modification whatever to Graffiti Pro 1.0.5's settings, which are obsessed with all things Japanese but little else. I really don't need a Japanese dictionary; this is not a language I ever intend to use, certainly not with Graffiti.
"Graffiti Height Control" does nothing, it has no use, i.e. it is useless.
By way of historical info, back in the days of The O2 XDA (or HTC Wallaby), which is how this whole forum started, Graffiti was part of the accompanying Windows OS. In a comfortably proportionate size. The Wallaby included a pen built into the aerial.
syncopath said:
"Graffiti Height Control" does nothing, it has no use, i.e. it is useless.
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Graffiti Height Fix is a Xposed module that required Xposed to function, as it was clearly stated in this thread, in the Play Store app description, and in Xposed Repository.
But that is moot, since Access Co. updated Graffiti to address the height issue long ago, rendering this module unnecessary.
syncopath said:
By way of historical info, back in the days of The O2 XDA (or HTC Wallaby), which is how this whole forum started, Graffiti was part of the accompanying Windows OS. In a comfortably proportionate size. The Wallaby included a pen built into the aerial.
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Windows never had Graffiti. It may have had a similar input method, but not the same. Graffiti was Palm OS only, Xerox patent shenanigans ensued, and finally Access Co. ended up with the rights.
syncopath said:
Update: Praise be for Titanium Backup! I was able to restore my old version of Graffiti Pro from an earlier backup after deleting the unwanted update.
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I'm glad you found a solution that worked for you. Titanium Backup is a really useful tool indeed.
1. I have Xposed (for XPrivacy) but was still unable to do anything in the awful new version of Graffiti Pro about the excessive height.
2. Oh yes it did! If I could get it to start, I could show you my XDA from O2, running Windows Mobile, using Graffiti!
3. Titanium Backup is useful, but I am still scared that somehow I will lose my precious older version of Graffiti, which looks just as it did on Windows Mobile in 2002.
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Re: Windows Mobile, when I get home in June 2019 I will try to reanimate my HTC Wallaby and send you a screenshot.
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You may care to peruse the Wikipedia entry for Graffiti at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_(Palm_OS), where you will find the link you need on the words "Windows Mobile".
In the end I reinstalled the previous version of Graffiti Pro from the .apk and then deleted Google and Google services from my device. This stopped automatic update of Graffiti to the unwanted new version, freed up a whole lot of space, but also sadly cut me off from ever acquiring any more software from Google Play or whatever it is called nowadays on that GT-N7000 device. So be it then.
My one GT-N7000 is now suffering from recharging socket problems and is almost 10 years old, at which point I have promised myself a new 'phone as 10 years is the lifetime I consider I have a right to expect from a device so expensive and complicated as these.
So now I have purchased a second-hand Note 8 and am interested to see what I can do with it to extend my XDA experience. I sincerely hope "Knox Bit" will not destroy everything. Root privileges are essential to 50% of my programmes (sorry "apps").
@Nephiel, did you ever find the Windows Mobile OS I referred you to? You will see that Graffiti is much older than you may have realised.
syncopath said:
did you ever find the Windows Mobile OS I referred you to? You will see that Graffiti is much older than you may have realised.
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I did find it. It dates back to '94. Windows Mobile was called CE then. It may have had Block Recognizer, but not Graffiti, even if only in name.
Funny thing is, I got an iPaq Pocket PC myself (got it for free as a hand-me down) back then, and now that I think about it, it had a similar input method, but it wasn't enabled by default. I don't even remember actually using it.