Any developers out there that would like to help me learn to develop
help in any way......
roms, kernels etc
metalman3797 said:
Any developers out there that would like to help me learn to develop
help in any way......
roms, kernels etc
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Are you a software engineer? Do you actually know how to program? If so, what languages? You'll have to tell us your current knowledge level. There's a big difference between 'how do I set up the Android SDK on my computer?' vs. 'what's C++?'.
skoalbandit123 said:
google will help for free
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This,first off, develops won't spend large amounts of time helping you out to learn to develop (assuming you have some knowledge of C++ and Javascript) which would still take forever.
Second, you can learn to develop by yourself by using google.
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metalman3797 said:
Its a development topic sooooooooooooo dont be a ****!
People like you are the reason i hate asking stuff..... If you know the answer or can help, then do so. If not dont respond.
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Yes it was rude of him. However it is correct, you could post this in the general forum or in the question for if you re word it to a question. There are plenty of free tools out there that will help you learn to develop. Like stated earlier, Google is your friend.
mhousser said:
Are you a software engineer? Do you actually know how to program? If so, what languages? You'll have to tell us your current knowledge level. There's a big difference between 'how do I set up the Android SDK on my computer?' vs. 'what's C++?'.
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I work for a software development company but as tech support
I dont know how to program.
I took C++ a few years ago but forgot everything. I am very knowledgeable with computers, just a noob on android development.
People read this : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871476
I'm thinking he put this here to grab the devs attention probably assuming they don't spend much time in the general section I could be wrong though and until development is actually being discussed this is not a development thread its a question I'm not trying to be rude I'm just looking at this from an outside view carry on
egc+voodoo jl1
bobbbb said:
This,first off, develops won't spend large amounts of time helping you out to learn to develop (assuming you have some knowledge of C++ and Javascript) which would still take forever.
Second, you can learn to develop by yourself by using google.
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So basically they develop for android in C++ generally?
And i just need a push in the right direction.
Everyone here is usually very helpful, i dont expect them to hold my hand through it
metalman3797 said:
Its a development topic sooooooooooooo dont be a ****!
People like you are the reason i hate asking stuff..... If you know the answer or can help, then do so. If not dont respond.
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Could you answer the questions I asked in my last post? I think it'll help you find help faster.
(Sorry for the prick who first answered you - ignore him.)
EDIT: nvm, I notice you answered my original post already.
will everyone settle the f down about the section. god you guys are like flies on sh*t. if a moderator feels this is the wrong section, it will be moved. DONE
to answer your question man: i hate to break it to you, but youre not likely to find much personal help here, much less on any forum. mainly because of what you are seeing in this thread: people are d*cks online.
like many people have said, and i know this isnt the answer you want to hear, youre probably gonna have to teach yourself. only because i guarantee you, even if someone taught you the steps on how to code, build, compile etc, you still probably wouldnt fully understand why it works the way it does.
i recently developed the desire to learn how to build kernels, but i never even began to think about asking for help here because i knew i would get the type of idiotic responses youve received, so i faced the music: if i want to learn, im gonna have to start reading.
metalman3797 said:
I work for a software development company but as tech support
I dont know how to program.
I took C++ a few years ago but forgot everything. I am very knowledgeable with computers, just a noob on android development.
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So you want to know how to work on the Android OS, but don't know how to program? It seems like you'd first need to learn how to program.. and there are certainly better ways to learn than from an XDA developer!
willsnews said:
I'm thinking he put this here to grab the devs attention probably assuming they don't spend much time in the general section I could be wrong though and until development is actually being discussed this is not a development thread its a question I'm not trying to be rude I'm just looking at this from an outside view carry on
egc+voodoo jl1
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Makes sense, my mistake Please move MOD
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will everyone settle the f down about the section. god you guys are like flies on sh*t. if a moderator feels this is the wrong section, it will be moved. DONE
to answer your question man: i hate to break it to you, but youre not likely to find much personal help here, much less on any forum. mainly because of what you are seeing in this thread: people are d*cks online.
like many people have said, and i know this isnt the answer you want to hear, youre probably gonna have to teach yourself. only because i guarantee you, even if someone taught you the steps on how to code, build, compile etc, you still probably wouldnt fully understand why it works the way it does.
i recently developed the desire to learn how to build kernels, but i never even began to think about asking for help here because i knew i would get the type of idiotic responses youve received, so i faced the music: if i want to learn, im gonna have to start reading.
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Yeah thats what im starting to see and think
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So you want to know how to work on the Android OS, but don't know how to program? It seems like you'd first need to learn how to program.. and there are certainly better ways to learn than from an XDA developer!
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Exactly, just looking for a direction to take besides....
download the SDK and bla bla bla and mess with it
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You're ???
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Im on the floor! I love it!!!!!
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Cyanogen started a very helpful thread in the android dev forum. It's stickied.
From a phone
You have a large amount of fundamentals to learn first. Software development courses are quite easy to find online. You'll want to learn C++ and Java... since Android apps are written in Java.
After you have learned the fundamentals of software development, *then* you might be ready to learn how to get the Android OS source on your computer to start playing with it.
I'm very inyerested in learning also and would gladly pay for a develepers time
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mhousser said:
You have a large amount of fundamentals to learn first. Software development courses are quite easy to find online. You'll want to learn C++ and Java... since Android apps are written in Java.
After you have learned the fundamentals of software development, *then* you might be ready to learn how to get the Android OS source on your computer to start playing with it.
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Ok thats what i was looking for. Thank you, I appreciate it!!
Also note that if you learn one programming language - i.e. C++ - other programming languages will come more easily to you. Regardless of which language you're using, 60%+ of everything is the same - i.e. for loops, if statements, classes, inheritance, etc. Syntax is largely similar.
Also keep in mind the high level differences between languages like C++ (which is a very low level language) and Java (a higher level language).. for example, in C++ you *really* need to worry about disposing of objects correctly, whereas languages such as Java and C# have their own Garbage Collector which does these things for you. This is just one example.. there are many many others.
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Hi, this is my first post. I hope it doesn't come off the wrong way.
I am extremely grateful for the time and effort put into all of these ROMs and the original gaining of root access on the Eris. But part of me has been wondering... what's to stop a developer/cook from including some kind of script inside their ROM which will give them access to peoples personal information and passwords? How can the general public know that we can trust all of you?
Now, I must stress that I am not accusing anyone of malicious intent. However, I do think that it's a valid concern.
I was looking for a specific .apk the other day and did a google. After much digging I found it, but wasn't too comfortable with the site where it was located. Just didn't download it/install it.
As far as the ROMs here. I lurked and posted and visited the IRC to get a feel for those doing the hard work. Got a comfort level with them and have been ROMing like a mad fool since. Hell, my ex got my bank account so there ain't nothing there to take.
To each their own comfort level.
ahorriblemess, there is no way for you to truly know that none of the ROM cooks are putting anything malicious in their ROMs.
This community is based around trust though, and if a dev. put some malicious crap in their ROM it would be found and taken down.
I have been working with most of the devs since before we had root and I would trust them.
I kind of figured that... if someone was to include a malicious script or something that it would be found relatively quickly and they would alert everyone.
I was just curious. Thanks.
have faith in the community. Strength through unity, unity through strength!
All your CPU
are belong to us.
jcase said:
All your CPU
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HAHA! That's great.
jcase said:
All your CPU
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Someone set us up the ROOT?
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HAHA! That's great.haha
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jcase said:
All your CPU
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lol does that mean u will pay my bill ?
well pretty much all u can do is trust the Devs i trust all of them and apprciate all they do for the community especially being that they do not get paid to this for us. so all you can is trust them and either use the what they develope for us or dont its really ur decision. *~Dez~*
I want to learn making Android app, just to make an app for my business website, could anyone help me how to learn android app, can anyone point out to related books which can teach an amateur like me clearly or any online tutorials. I look out for answers thanks in advance.
"Head First Java" by by Kathy Sierra and Bert Bates.
just to tell you now there is no easy way only hard work lies ahead. Do you still wish to continue?
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I'm interested in the same thing, and while I heard of a few people who jumped right into Android and learned Java on the way, I've decided to start from the bottom and learn Java. Head first Java is a good book, and my main reference point. If I get to something that is a bit confusing, I jump to another book to try to take it from a different point of view. The other books I mostly use are "Sam's Teach yourself Java Programming in 24 Hours" and "Beginning Java Programming for Dummies". I generally hate any book that is "for dummies" or claims to teach you something "in 24 hours", but these books actually work for me. Don't be afraid to use more than one book/site.
Lastly, everyone will tell you that the best way to learn is to jump in and start coding, but you obviously need a little info first. What I did was study up the basics(variables, syntax, and most importantly OOP), then start coding like crazy. Even if they are simple as hell programs. I would make myself write about 5 programs per day when I started(and still do). Some of them would be as simple as writing a 10 line Dog class with a Bark() method, then crating another class with a main method to run the program. Sure they are easy program, but it still help to be consistent and definitely helps keep you skillset moving forward. If you want any info or books, just let me know. I'm pretty new myself and am really enjoying Java so far. I can't wait til the day where I can work on apps, kernels, and ROMs!
Captain_Nero said:
"Head First Java" by by Kathy Sierra and Bert Bates.
just to tell you now there is no easy way only hard work lies ahead. Do you still wish to continue?
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Dear me such negativity.
Try Effective Java as its cited quite a bit on developer.android.com. But yeah, if phrases like Object Oriented Programming, Integrated Development Environment and debugging are foreign...yup a long road lies ahead of you. Rewarding, but long.
A guide on Eclipse can get you places too
Kernal is written in C but that is the easiest language to learn
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i didnt bother trying to lean java before going to android java. ill help you to learn the basics if you want?
I'd be interested in learning the basics from you if you don't mind. Shoot me a PM.
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i didnt bother trying to lean java before going to android java. ill help you to learn the basics if you want?
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I'd be interested in learning the basics from you if you don't mind. Shoot me a PM.
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+1 same here
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same here TEach me the basics please, thank you
lukemovement1 said:
i didnt bother trying to lean java before going to android java. ill help you to learn the basics if you want?
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+1, please teach me!!!!!
You should set up a thread whither basics and stuff haha
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I just bought my first Android device, and would be interested in learning as well. been reading the development forums for the Atrix for about two weeks now, have a general concept of rooting/unlocking, fastboot and ADB. now i would just like to expand that knowledge into programming applications, on the little spare time i have.
if you'd be willing to teach me a little bit of the basics here and there, i'd be extremely grateful.
Thanks for the book list info.
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Ok This may sound really stupid, and it may not come true. But you can always dream.
I want to learn how to develop apps on all the mobile platforms and want to make a startup. For example what Seesmic and others are doing.
Android is obvioulsy coded in Java.
But how should I start, and what things should I follow? Thanks a lot appreciate it to the MAX.
Learn Java.
Google AppInventor.
Read the SDK.
Experiment.
learn java
get the android application development for dummies book
Yeah google has a lot of great resources online with tutorials for the Android SDK specifically. Once you learn Java from an online class or a book or something, you can look through the SDK tutorials and generally understand how to do things. There are also a lot of basic app tutorials to show you through the ropes of displaying notifications, having different screens of an app, etc. so just look around on the internet.
"ALL THE MOBILE PLATFORMS"? Android, iOS, Windows Mobile, HP(I think HP has their own OS).
That's quite a dream. Do you have any programming experience?
I've been a programmer for 15 years and started doing Android development over a year ago. I've not even touched 1/1000 of what Android has to offer. In other words, there is a learning curve that is directly proportional to your skill level.
I'm a firm believer in college education, so if you can, get a degree in Computer Science, all the better. And there are actually some very good 2-year programs out there if 4 years is out of the question.
Rootstonian said:
"ALL THE MOBILE PLATFORMS"? Android, iOS, Windows Mobile, HP(I think HP has their own OS).
That's quite a dream. Do you have any programming experience?
I've been a programmer for 15 years and started doing Android development over a year ago. I've not even touched 1/1000 of what Android has to offer. In other words, there is a learning curve that is directly proportional to your skill level.
I'm a firm believer in college education, so if you can, get a degree in Computer Science, all the better. And there are actually some very good 2-year programs out there if 4 years is out of the question.
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I agree 100%. You can't just jump in and expect to know everything there is to know. I've been a C/C++ developer for close to 20 years. I just got into Android and Java in the last year or so, and I agree with Rootstonian; you need a good base in OOP to get anywhere in Java and you can only really get that from a college.
Thanks a lot everyone for your help. Now that some of you tolde me you have been developers for close to 20 years or so. Programming seems scary and hard. Now I have doubts if I want to start programming :S
Anyways thanks a lot for everything.
Z!GZA!G said:
Thanks a lot everyone for your help. Now that some of you tolde me you have been developers for close to 20 years or so. Programming seems scary and hard. Now I have doubts if I want to start programming :S
Anyways thanks a lot for everything.
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Well true it takes time,i myself have been programming c,c++,java for the past 8 years.i am now starting out with android,my advice would be select one os platform that you would like to work on and move slowly and steadily up the ladder
It's ONLY "scary and hard" at the beginning...honest. Think back to something you have learned and at the time thought "this is crazy, I'm never going to get this!!" Then a year later you look back and say to yourself "why did I think (insert whatever) was so hard?" ROFL
Like Gene said, about everything is Object Oriented these days. When he and I learned it was Assembler, Fortran, Pascal, "pure" C, <gasp> BASIC, <cringe> COBOL...there was no OOP (well not quite, I learned OOP in C++).
Don't give up before you get started With the help of some good JAVA books and the wealth of information on the Net, you have more resources than I ever had when I started learning.
And you can always come here for questions. Like someone else said, pick a platform and "go for it"...you have nothing to lose! If you think it's something you're going to like, then look for formal education.
I just want to reiterate that you should start small. If you have no programming experience at all then I suggest learning the basics first. I took an Intro to Programming class a while back and it was way different than I expected. But it prepared me to start learning programming languages. After you have the basics down, App Inventor would be a good place to start, IMO.
when i started to learn some basics, i started with the Google App inventor, then to
Processing + Arduino, and learning more and more each day.
A good Start is with Processing, Or Processing for Android.
They have super easy examples, and its easy to do just about anything. Give it a try.
Search the "thenewboston" at youtube. Watch his java tutorials. After the java tutorials watch his android tutorials. The way he teach it makes all professors boring. Lol but he's really good.
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Thanks a lot everyone for your replies.
I think I may check out Processing for Android as suggested by Technochris1.
But as a proper language, I will start with C#. So I can get started on Windows Phone apps.
Then Java or C++ after that.
Thanks.
I don't know C#, so my comment could be moot...
Windows phone apps? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the dominate forces in mobile apps would be Apple's iOS and Android.
I see nothing wrong with learning JAVA as a first language, but like someone posted, START SMALL and work you way up. You have to know about variables, program flow, looping structures, arrays, etc.
Even something as simple as the mod operator can confuse beginners but is just one of many tools you need to have under your belt. In other words, you can't build a house if you don't know how to use a hammer!
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I don't know C#, so my comment could be moot...
Windows phone apps? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the dominate forces in mobile apps would be Apple's iOS and Android.
I see nothing wrong with learning JAVA as a first language, but like someone posted, START SMALL and work you way up. You have to know about variables, program flow, looping structures, arrays, etc.
Even something as simple as the mod operator can confuse beginners but is just one of many tools you need to have under your belt. In other words, you can't build a house if you don't know how to use a hammer!
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YES Android and iOS are WAY ahead of Windows Phone, WebOS and the others. But as I stated in the OP, I stated that I would like to make apps for all of the platforms eventually.
I would love to get started with Java, but can't really find any good material to learn the Java language.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
http://mobile.tutsplus.com/ This site has a few great tutorials for building mobile apps. But still need an easy and fast way to learn java.
i was really looking for a thread like this thanx a lot!!
and pretty nice sources out there to learn.
Z!GZA!G said:
Ok This may sound really stupid, and it may not come true. But you can always dream.
I want to learn how to develop apps on all the mobile platforms and want to make a startup. For example what Seesmic and others are doing.
Android is obvioulsy coded in Java.
But how should I start, and what things should I follow? Thanks a lot appreciate it to the MAX.
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if i am not wrong u released ur custom ROM for X10.
and u don't know how to develop apps.weird!
developing custom ROM is easy?Can u tell me from where u started?
No offense just saying/asking!
iynfynity said:
Search the "thenewboston" at youtube. Watch his java tutorials. After the java tutorials watch his android tutorials. The way he teach it makes all professors boring. Lol but he's really good.
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cornboyz on youtube also has some videos on developing apps
Z3US911 said:
if i am not wrong u released ur custom ROM for X10.
and u don't know how to develop apps.weird!
developing custom ROM is easy?Can u tell me from where u started?
No offense just saying/asking!
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the best place to start is at chef central for android, this thread in particular
sweetnsour said:
cornboyz on youtube also has some videos on developing apps
the best place to start is at chef central for android, this thread in particular
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YESS!! Thank you! i watched a cornboyz video months ago, but I forgot his username, thanks a lot for reminding me! Now lets slowly get down to business!
Thanks a lot.
Hi guys,
(you can skip the blablabla to the fat letters )
it's been a while i'm registered and totally stunned of the work which the devs do @ this Forum. For years i think about the possibilities with coding stuff. But always thought it's to hard and take years.
But now with android i will give it a try. Because it would be awesome to write stuff by myself or solve problems with apps cause i understand the code or log output.
The best thing i invented was a Premium account Alarm for Rapidshare. It was just a tiny little script which checks for certain words/banner on the site and will popup the Firefox with an alarmfile i set. And i was proud that i managed that the process was in the background. Acessable through the taskbar... Easy as hell. You see i got no clue but understand a little bit of html. I can search the code of sites for certain stuff i want...No skill at all but reading...
My goal is it to archieve an app which can transform not tapatalk supportetd Forums in a better format. Because i couldn't find anything. And it's annoying for me...
Would it be possible? I don't care if it's not compatible to google play or anyone. I want this because i "need" it. And i guess it's fun for me to develop. If it becomes an high recomended app. Awesome but my goal is to get it to work and have fun.
For now i'm on the Hello World app...
Thank you for your patience.
Best regards,
Sam
First row is the Limit...
oh my god. This guy's such a noob
Well you got your foot in the door,but the HTML script on a web page is much different than linux code,this will take alot of researching and then alot more research and time.Im not a coder,but i am also learning and have been for a year now and i just barely scrapped the surface.Soo dont expect to develope an app by tomorrow.Expect alot of trial and error.
I guess it's possible but as mentioned above it takes time to learn to code from scratch. However there are a lot of good tutorials on the net which u can use to learn.
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I applaud your goal and hope you can come up with something.
I have no idea what's involved.
Just wanted to mention, there is discussion of some ways to view sites in a more mobile-friendly manner (mostly GWT) here:
http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=320809
For now i'm on the Hello World app...
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Good job, now just a few years and you're ready... Jokes aside, it seems to be very complicated to combine html and linux code so it might be a harsh experience for someone like you.
Hello!
I'm currently studying in the last high school year and I'm thinking in going for Informatics and Computing Engineering at the College so most likely I'll be connected to this kind of development work...
Despite knowing some basic things of HTML and CSS and programming little programs in C or C++ I am still noob and don't really have knowledge to call myself a programmer but I'm interested and "self prompted" to learn more and more about this world and I believe some Android would be good for me.
Well, I am thinking in trying to learn alone in my free time with the objective to be able to build a custom rom for myself or something like that. I also want to make some apps... well, some Android things not only for myself but also to share here and help the others like I've been helped since ever. But... well I am realistic and I believe it isn't that easy and I need to take the right way, that's why I'm asking here for some advice and information... how did you developers learn what you learned? was it from the internet and practice at home or did you take any course? how much time did you need to learn the basics and start your experiments?
Thanks in advance!
Well its not for everyone.. I mean its not that easy. Ive been trying to pull of something myself and didnt succeed yet. But im gonna try till it succeeds. Just dont give up. There are plenty of guides around. Im sure youll figure it out!
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There are some resources in these forums:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/coding
http://forum.xda-developers.com/app-development
http://forum.xda-developers.com/chef-central
I've bookmarked them all, thanks ^^