What happens if i flash a rom every two or three days.
I odin back to stock every time
was just wondering. Am i going to spoil it or anything ?
Or am i good to have fun
i do this too.
I'd say it does do wear and tear, because every 2 days, your system is like brand new... all the data it used to be personalized is gone every2 days.
but i can think of a lot more reasons why it wouldn't wear and tear.
overall, it DOES, but very little.
So... what happens. Does the phone go bad after 200 odins ?
400?
1000?
anything like this happen to someone ?
Just don't repartition when you ODIN. That has say a 1/50 chance to hard brick you. Otherwise don't worry about any wear or tear imo.
Edit: future posts seem to take serious issue with the 1/50 remark. I have no special insight. The source was just a developer telling someone they think there is a 5% chance to mess up your phone by trying to repartition (context was to inform OP if and how to flash so often and you're taking it out context if you think after 50 repetitions you will brick your phone lol. Sorry, my fault to confuse others reading the post). Hence my recommendation not to repartition unless you have to. To elaborate since people are getting their panties in a wad over it, my un qualified guess is that your concern should not be wear but rather an interruption to the repartition process and whether or not that could lead to a hard brick. Thanks to everyone who has such a positive attitude about helping people...
Not sure what could possibly wear and/or tear. There are no moving parts in this thing.
mjlangiii said:
Just don't repartition when you ODIN. That has say a 1/50 chance to hard brick you. Otherwise don't worry about any wear or tear imo.
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Are you ****ing serious?
I've been doing re partition every Odin!! Holy ****.I'm stopping doing that.
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NAND and NOR memory has a limited number of read/writes. Now that amount is undetermined if you dont know the make/brand/quality of the memory. The read/write count is a very high number in most cases...
Every 2 days may be a bit excessive in the long term though... lol
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Thought about it, and for informational/"not to just take my word" here is the info. Remember a "cycle" is a gate on/off meaning any write to that gate counts as a "cycle".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory
Write Endurance
The write endurance of SLC Floating Gate NOR flash is typically equal or greater than that of NAND flash, while MLC NOR & NAND Flash have similar Endurance capabilities. Example Endurance cycle ratings listed in datasheets for NAND and NOR Flash are provided.
* SLC NAND Flash is typically rated at about 100K cycles (Samsung OneNAND KFW4G16Q2M)
* MLC NAND Flash is typically rated at about 5K-10K cycles (Samsung K9G8G08U0M)
* SLC Floating Gate NOR Flash has typical Endurance rating of 100K to 1,000K cycles (Numonyx M58BW 100K; Spansion S29CD016J 1000K)
* MLC Floating Gate NOR Flash has typical Endurance rating of 100K cycles (Numonyx J3 Flash)
mjlangiii said:
Just don't repartition when you ODIN. That has say a 1/50 chance to hard brick you. Otherwise don't worry about any wear or tear imo.
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LOL, are you sure? Wish someone had warned about this risk! I've repartioned before, thinking it was safe.
Why would it hard brick you?
ps...how do you know the odds are 1 in 50? lol
SamsungVibrant said:
LOL, are you sure? Wish someone had warned about this risk! I've repartioned before, thinking it was safe.
Why would it hard brick you?
ps...how do you know the odds are 1 in 50? lol
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I've always used reparation for the 100s of roms I've flashed no problem now ill stop Haha dot wanner take any chances
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No offense, but you're all gonna stop what's been working fine for you all this time and trust a random statistic from a guy with 6 posts? If it really was even close to 1/50, or any significant chance at all, then we would gets posts every day from someone saying they bricked by doing repartition on a JFD stock ODIN.
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Not sure what could possibly wear and/or tear. There are no moving parts in this thing.
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A finite number of write cycles on the internal SD ?
richan90 said:
No offense, but you're all gonna stop what's been working fine for you all this time and trust a random statistic from a guy with 6 posts? If it really was even close to 1/50, or any significant chance at all, then we would gets posts every day from someone saying they bricked by doing repartition on a JFD stock ODIN.
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Everything I've ever learned says don't do it.
I learned from the tw forums.
Also xda.
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A finite number of write cycles on the internal SD ?
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In theory you are right, but the lifespan of these things is on average anywhere from 10,000 to 1,000,000 cycles depending on which type you have. I would say go ahead and flash away but don't over do it.
I've always used odin to unbrick my phone. I've never read, anywhere, that repartirioning has a 1/50 chance to hard brick you.
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I would think that devs flash WAY more than I do so as long as their phone is fine, who am I to worry lol. Plus ill have a new phone before I ever reach that kind of limit.
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Physical wear tear? No. Its all static. Hard line limit of writes to ROM? From every previous phone I've had, yes. But that number is so high, that you would have to be flashing either for years or like 50+ times a day.
The only "wear" I would be worrying about is from dropping it or kids touching it b/c it looks like an iphone. lol
richan90 said:
No offense, but you're all gonna stop what's been working fine for you all this time and trust a random statistic from a guy with 6 posts? If it really was even close to 1/50, or any significant chance at all, then we would gets posts every day from someone saying they bricked by doing repartition on a JFD stock ODIN.
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Lol Good job on the moto, "discredit what you dont understand". I was on xda years ago with my old HP ipaqs. Could it be I just went idle and created a new account years later? Besides, I posted accurate data WITH references. So go pack sand.
On another note, the point was to inform/educate. The finite number is quite large, but can vary greatly depending on quality control of the memory. 1/50 chance is utter crap (that would probably be more a software error than hardware fault), my statement was one of "dont over-do it".
so should i re-partion or no?
I've always done it and nothings gone wrong.
Awesome points everybody. Awesome points thanks. Im happy.
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Haxel said:
Lol Good job on the moto, "discredit what you dont understand". I was on xda years ago with my old HP ipaqs. Could it be I just went idle and created a new account years later? Besides, I posted accurate data WITH references. So go pack sand.
On another note, the point was to inform/educate. The finite number is quite large, but can vary greatly depending on quality control of the memory. 1/50 chance is utter crap (that would probably be more a software error than hardware fault), my statement was one of "dont over-do it".
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He wasn't referring to you. Just the dimwit with the 1/50 statistic. Misinformation on this forum is terrible sometimes lol (again, not referring to you, as you have one of the few substantial posts in this thread).
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I DL'd Quadrant the other day to see what exactly is going on with my phone, between the lag, the messed up GPS/compass, and no word on when we're getting an update to fix all this mess.
And I find that the CPU is only running at 800 MHz. Has anyone else had this problem? Can I fix it w/o rooting?
I'm going to be calling TMo (who I normally have many wonderful things to say about) and chewing some butt, but I want opinions from in here first.
the phone supports variable clock rates so at times it will throttle down and run at lower than 1ghz...same thing your laptop and desktop often do without you being aware of it.
CPU does not run at 1gig hertz all the time, it only runs as fast as it's required. Save's on battery life and with heat issues.
The GPS fix and 2.2 should be released next month. Probably within the first two weeks.
You can overclock your CPU but it will still run scaled and you will need to root. Running at full speed all the time is not good especially with passive cooling.
What the guy said above. NO electronic device runs at max speed all the time.
masterotaku said:
the phone supports variable clock rates so at times it will throttle down and run at lower than 1ghz...same thing your laptop and desktop often do without you being aware of it.
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I am aware of the reasons the phone might exhibit this behavior.
However, I've never seen it run at anything BUT 800 MHz, and I've been checking it fairly regularly. This means I'll be doing something with the phone and in the middle of what I'm doing I'll stop and check the CPU speed.
So aside from a general "Yeah dude, you can expect that" has anyone seen their Vibrant run at 1 GHz? Or at a speed other than 800 MHz?
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The GPS fix and 2.2 should be released next month. Probably within the first two weeks.
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That's a lovely rumor, and I'd love to believe it. However, given Samsung's record of customer support I'm sure you will understand my extremely healthy dose of skepticism.
And I'm afraid that even an official announcement would be viewed with suspicion until I've had the update for a week and had a chance to test it.
Col.Kernel said:
That's a lovely rumor, and I'd love to believe it. However, given Samsung's record of customer support I'm sure you will understand my extremely healthy dose of skepticism.
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Why you buy this phone if you don't trust Samsung?
After you mentioned this I did check to see and I was able to hit 1g. Used system panel and with that open I quickly scrolled up and down untill I hit 1 ghtz.
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Relikk356 said:
Why you buy this phone if you don't trust Samsung?
After you mentioned this I did check to see and I was able to hit 1g. Used system panel and with that open I quickly scrolled up and down untill I hit 1 ghtz.
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Because at the time I DID trust them.
Then the Behold II upgrade got canceled, and I got this thing with a non-working GPS. TMobile (despite all the things I love about them) has always had a very hard time getting state of the art phones in for anything other than Windmobile (something I have zero interest in). When they got a 1GHz phone in with a large screen I was there on opening day.
I'm a heavy GPS user and to say that I'm extremely disappointed would be an understatement. I am hoping that a software upgrade will fix everything, but at this point one has not been announced. I would hope that if it were 2 weeks out that more than wishful thinking or internet rumor would surface.
Col.Kernel said:
Because at the time I DID trust them.
Then the Behold II upgrade got canceled, and I got this thing with a non-working GPS. TMobile (despite all the things I love about them) has always had a very hard time getting state of the art phones in for anything other than Windmobile (something I have zero interest in). When they got a 1GHz phone in with a large screen I was there on opening day.
I'm a heavy GPS user and to say that I'm extremely disappointed would be an understatement. I am hoping that a software upgrade will fix everything, but at this point one has not been announced. I would hope that if it were 2 weeks out that more than wishful thinking or internet rumor would surface.
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A software update has been announced. It was actually announced 2 or 3 weeks ago via Samsung on Twitter and all of the major tech blogs and sites posted it as well.
Also, people have posted that some newer versions of the firmware in different territories have the problem totally fixed.
Also, remember the G1 had this exact same problem when it was released. 3 months later it was corrected with an OTA. So don't get discouraged.
Seriously of you have problems with gps, go to the development section here and download eugene's rom for vibrant 9. Without any steps messing with configuration through setup menus I just turn on use wireless signal and gps and am locked within 10 meters in only 3-10 seconds. Don't want to root? Grow up its a development board, there is more then over way to "unroot" your phone back to stock and you can then return the phone on any issue you like, thankfully due to rooting and that rom it won't be from gps issues.
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p()()pypants said:
Seriously of you have problems with gps, go to the development section here and download eugene's rom for vibrant 9. Without any steps messing with configuration through setup menus I just turn on use wireless signal and gps and am locked within 10 meters in only 3-10 seconds. Don't want to root? Grow up its a development board, there is more then over way to "unroot" your phone back to stock and you can then return the phone on any issue you like, thankfully due to rooting and that rom it won't be from gps issues.
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^ I don't understand why people who don't want to root go on XDA and complain about it. Go to androidcentral or androidcommunity who are sites towards non-rooted (no offense to any of those websites at all).
Every electronic device that gets released will NEVER be perfect because there will always be a problem about it that somebody will always complain about. Samsung has responded to the GPS problem already, it takes time to roll the OTAs out. There is a fix as what "poopypants" said. It's been out.
What's a normal temp for this phone to be at? Mine just got to 105 degrees farenheit. What is too hot for this phone?
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105 degrees is not very hot for any electronics device. A typical CPU in a desktop computer will reach much higher than that.
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I have to agree with Col.Kernel to a degree and understand why he feels the way he does. I've had several Samsung devices. Granted my last one was the Samsung Omnia before getting the Vibrant.
But this isn't a Samsung issue only. Between the legal crap, your cell carrier, and the bottom line, your lucky to see any updates to a device they want you to upgrade in 1 - 2 years. I've had way too many phones that were supposed to be getting updates that never did. If the Vibrant gets it then great. If not, then it didnt ruin my day b/c I dont expect it. One good thing about Samsung Mobile is that in the past I've seen them release updates on their website that wasn't authorized or sent OTA thru the cell carrier. That bumps my hope meter up a bit.
Back on topic, I havent noticed my phone staying at 800mhz but this sucker sure does get hot. Especially when plugged in. reminds me of a Dell laptop I used to have that used to burn your legs if you used it in your lap. LoL
hockeyrcks9901 said:
105 degrees is not very hot for any electronics device. A typical CPU in a desktop computer will reach much higher than that.
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You don't think 105 degrees is too hot for this phone?
Hi. I've been struggeling with the s2 ever since I got it, almost all apps FC, Bluetooth randomly turns off as does my phone, GPS never knows where I am, I get adds in my notification bar, my Widgets don't work, time is almost always wrong and my speed test never gets above 1mb down. These problems occur out of the box on 2 different phones and with S8.
I see people enjoying their android phones but I'm confused how. Do I need to be a pro hacker to even make this device work the way it should? What can I do to fix this? I'm so frustrated I'm ready to not have a phone just so I can destroy this on with my hands. I paid 199 for this phone, don't even feel it's with $10, maybe it is but android sure isn't.
same problems on 2 different phones? I'm betting its user error... maybe you can install s8 but not restore any old data... start fresh... have you tried that? are you using titanium backup?
DKS1282 said:
Hi. I've been struggeling with the s2 ever since I got it, almost all apps FC, Bluetooth randomly turns off as does my phone, GPS never knows where I am, I get adds in my notification bar, my Widgets don't work, time is almost always wrong and my speed test never gets above 1mb down. These problems occur out of the box on 2 different phones and with S8.
I see people enjoying their android phones but I'm confused how. Do I need to be a pro hacker to even make this device work the way it should? What can I do to fix this? I'm so frustrated I'm ready to not have a phone just so I can destroy this on with my hands. I paid 199 for this phone, don't even feel it's with $10, maybe it is but android sure isn't.
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Go somewhere with this bull......
Why do you trolls even come here? Honestly do you guys get paid for this or you have nothing else to do?
Seriously???
I would love to make money like this as well!
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Airpush detector from the market will show you which app(s) are placing ads in your notification bar.
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DKS1282 said:
Hi. I've been struggeling with the s2 ever since I got it, almost all apps FC, Bluetooth randomly turns off as does my phone, GPS never knows where I am, I get adds in my notification bar, my Widgets don't work, time is almost always wrong and my speed test never gets above 1mb down. These problems occur out of the box on 2 different phones and with S8.
I see people enjoying their android phones but I'm confused how. Do I need to be a pro hacker to even make this device work the way it should? What can I do to fix this? I'm so frustrated I'm ready to not have a phone just so I can destroy this on with my hands. I paid 199 for this phone, don't even feel it's with $10, maybe it is but android sure isn't.
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Maybe you should try not installing malware from the Market?
I've never had any of the problems you claim, but ad spam in the notification bar sounds like a classic example of malware to me.
DKS1282 said:
Hi. I've been struggeling with the s2 ever since I got it, almost all apps FC, Bluetooth randomly turns off as does my phone, GPS never knows where I am, I get adds in my notification bar, my Widgets don't work, time is almost always wrong and my speed test never gets above 1mb down. These problems occur out of the box on 2 different phones and with S8.
I see people enjoying their android phones but I'm confused how. Do I need to be a pro hacker to even make this device work the way it should? What can I do to fix this? I'm so frustrated I'm ready to not have a phone just so I can destroy this on with my hands. I paid 199 for this phone, don't even feel it's with $10, maybe it is but android sure isn't.
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go get an iphone or winmo if android isn't worth your time.
If you have Ads in your notification bar, you have something installed that's causing this. This is not the fault of android or your phone. You installed something which causes ads to appear and might even be causing all your other issues. Wipe it out, DONT install anything and test it out. Make sure it works the way it should without touching it.
Dont blame the phone or the Android OS for something that you did. As for the slow download speeds, after you wipe it out, run the speakeasy speedtest through your browser not the speedtest app. That app is not 100% accurate. If the speed is still slow, call AT&T because it might be an issue with the network in your area.
joewoo said:
same problems on 2 different phones? I'm betting its user error... maybe you can install s8 but not restore any old data... start fresh... have you tried that? are you using titanium backup?
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If he's restoring sys data then that's why you're getting fc's. Restore app. Without data.
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Send me your phone and ill see what's up ;-)
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craigbailey1986 said:
Go somewhere with this bull......
Why do you trolls even come here? Honestly do you guys get paid for this or you have nothing else to do?
Seriously???
I would love to make money like this as well!
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I didn't make any money I lost money. All I want is to enjoy my phone. You sir are a jerk andp i hope you die in a fire. People like you are unneeded in this world.
nyydynasty said:
go get an iphone or winmo if android isn't worth your time.
If you have Ads in your notification bar, you have something installed that's causing this. This is not the fault of android or your phone. You installed something which causes ads to appear and might even be causing all your other issues. Wipe it out, DONT install anything and test it out. Make sure it works the way it should without touching it.
Dont blame the phone or the Android OS for something that you did. As for the slow download speeds, after you wipe it out, run the speakeasy speedtest through your browser not the speedtest app. That app is not 100% accurate. If the speed is still slow, call AT&T because it might be an issue with the network in your area.
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Out of the box means nothing installed (new). Adds didn't start till I downloaded a couple apps. Sad the app store allows maleware
So since the phones don't work out of the box for me who should I blame? Bluetooth obivously shuts off randomly because I clicked the button wrong when turning it on right?
DKS1282 said:
I didn't make any money I lost money. All I want is to enjoy my phone. You sir are a jerk andp i hope you die in a fire. People like you are unneeded in this world.
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ROFL!! Although I agree with you, the post you are referring to was unnecessary.
I actually just switched from iOS to android myself, and considering I used to develop on iOS it was a pretty intense switch... I struggled mainly with the battery life of my phone. Notifications also caused a bit of a headache due to just how different they are.
Moral of the story, I stuck with it and actually like android more now. Given it's not as idiot proof as iOS was, but the things you can do in android (in terms of being able to do anything you want with your data and not having itunes) make it worth it.
Try flashing and rooting your phone, then remove all the apps you don't use. That fixed most of my battery problems for me, and the unnamed rom fixed the rest.
Artimus009 said:
Send me your phone and ill see what's up ;-)
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Send me your working one and ill send my broken one.
DKS1282 said:
I didn't make any money I lost money. All I want is to enjoy my phone. You sir are a jerk andp i hope you die in a fire. People like you are unneeded in this world.
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DK - Standard troubleshooting steps... Use the phone STOCK without ROOT and without any new apps for a few hours (at the very least)...
IF the phone still gives you these errors STOCK you can complain to AT&T about your issues because it is clearly the phone (HARDWARE) as ROOT cause of these issue.
HOWEVER...
If you're experiencing these issues either:
After restoring from previous backup
ROOTing the phone
Downloading apps from outside of Android Market
Then this is clearly a software issue.
I've been using my SGS2 for over 30 days STOCK non rooting and I've run into ZERO issues.
Please report BACK after you take the SGS2 to STOCK with no 3rd party apps installed...
DKS1282 said:
Hi. I've been struggeling with the s2 ever since I got it, almost all apps FC, Bluetooth randomly turns off as does my phone, GPS never knows where I am, I get adds in my notification bar, my Widgets don't work, time is almost always wrong and my speed test never gets above 1mb down. These problems occur out of the box on 2 different phones and with S8.
I see people enjoying their android phones but I'm confused how. Do I need to be a pro hacker to even make this device work the way it should? What can I do to fix this? I'm so frustrated I'm ready to not have a phone just so I can destroy this on with my hands. I paid 199 for this phone, don't even feel it's with $10, maybe it is but android sure isn't.
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Factory reset and go back to stock, if you are still having issues then return it for a new device. I have not had a single force close, wifi issue, bluetooth droppage, nor widge malfuntion. If you are installing other roms it sounds like you are not following instructions. you could be also installing applications/widgets that have not been updated in awhile to support SGSII? Feel sorry for you having so many issues, but take it back for another and complain. Maybe they will upgrade you to a skyrocket or something else if that will make you happy?
No complaints on my SGS II other than it can't cook me dinner or replace my nagging spouse.
Why not list the apps you installed, or as other suggested bring it back to bone stock and do a factory reset.
Quick heads up here guys.. Everyone needs to straighten up and fly right.
OP - this post comes off trolling, but I believe you may have a problem, so I am leaving it for now. But you won't get much help without really explaining your problems...
others -if you think a post is a troll/spam, DO NOT REPLY. Flag it for review, and let me/others take care of it, that is why we are here. If something is surely spam, posting in the thread does not help..
This has gotta be a joke right? Do you actually think Samsung would release a phone that didn't work as you describe to the market? No...
Sorry i didnt burn yet......
DKS1282 said:
I didn't make any money I lost money. All I want is to enjoy my phone. You sir are a jerk andp i hope you die in a fire. People like you are unneeded in this world.
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Wow i should die in a fire..... But hey i dont expect much from the likes of you.... And check my post, all I do is go from forum to forum helping people with legitimized problems...
ALL your post are nothing but complaints and telling devs how their instruction were dumb since you couldnt understand them,lol.... O and lets not forget the one post about how you are about to go back to your Iphone. Sorry but a troll is a troll!
So i will take what you said and do what I do best.... Pray for you
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Wow i should die in a fire..... But hey i dont expect much from the likes of you.... And check my post, all I do is go from forum to forum helping people with legitimized problems...
ALL your post are nothing but complaints and telling devs how their instruction were dumb since you couldnt understand them,lol.... O and lets not forget the one post about how you are about to go back to your Iphone. Sorry but a troll is a troll!
So i will take what you said and do what I do best.... Pray for you
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Didn't Divine_Madcat just tell everyone this morning to NOT REPLY to him if you think he's trolling? Geez...
Allow me to explain things as straight forward as possible. Please note I am not going to attack nor will I insult you.. I am spelling out facts.
Android Market does not allow malware.. There are 3 types of applications. 1) Free Application offered for no cost, 2) Ad-enabled application free to the user but you have to deal with ads gets money to the developer, 3) Paid for application. You pay for it
Now with that said.. Lets look at what your installing, If you can list out all the applications on your phone this is done by
Go to Market
Click Menu
Click My Apps
Type in all the application names there in here.
That will better help us diagnose your problem. Without that we really can not help you as a novice user you may mistake "out of the box" with nothing done when you have downloaded 10 applications. That is not for me to say but for you to show us.
Next when your asking for help please make sure to be terse and to the point with your problems, adding in extra frustration for it only makes you seem "troll" like. I could see how the other user seen you as if you where promoting IPhone and bashing Android.. Make sure to keep your personal impressions to a minimum and that will help you out here.
And remember, 99% of all problems you will incur as a user with force close are usually the users fault. Now if your a developer.. Well yea.. You will be crashing a phone alot.
So get us that list and lets see if we can't make your phone experience as good as ours is..
Ok, so basically I was ODINing back to stock.
I left the phone in my lap without the battery cover, and it fell unplugging itself, and the battery also got removed.
Now the phone will NOT turn on no matter what I do!
Any help?
Have u tried holding the volume buttons and plugging in the USB?
Have u tried other ways to get into dl mode?
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shawayne21 said:
Ok, so basically I was ODINing back to stock.
I left the phone in my lap without the battery cover, and it fell unplugging itself, and the battery also got removed.
Now the phone will NOT turn on no matter what I do!
Any help?
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http://mobiletechvideos.mybigcommerce.com/samsung-vibrant-unbrickable-mod-repair/
or DIY UnBrick the UnBrickable Vibrant
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1277056
jrafael said:
http://mobiletechvideos.mybigcommerce.com/samsung-vibrant-unbrickable-mod-repair/
or DIY UnBrick the UnBrickable Vibrant
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1277056
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I do not suggest the unbrickable mod unless you are extremely good with soldering and have eyes like a eagle. Id send it off to mobiletechvideos or Adam Outler for a professional debrick service. Ive been soldering since the 1970's and professionally since the 1990's for Qualcom and Intel and I decided not to offer this service after doing this mod to my phone and several customer phones. It is a very small working area and even with a 20x eye loop I found it just slightly to difficult to guarantee the work myself. Maybe its my old man eyes, but I would send it off to someone who has no problems performing this task on a daily basis... IMHO
SkOrPn said:
I do not suggest the unbrickable mod unless you are extremely good with soldering and have eyes like a eagle. Id send it off to mobiletechvideos or Adam Outler for a professional debrick service. Ive been soldering since the 1970's and professionally since the 1990's for Qualcom and Intel and I decided not to offer this service after doing this mod to my phone and several customer phones. It is a very small working area and even with a 20x eye loop I found it just slightly to difficult to guarantee the work myself. Maybe its my old man eyes, but I would send it off to someone who has no problems performing this task on a daily basis... IMHO
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lol, sucks getting old, I did the mod myself with a $7 iron from radio shack in less than 10 min. Disclaimer: I sharped my soldering skills working for a military contractor doing micro smb rework with a microscope 8~10 hours a day for a few years.
But yes, very small parts very very easy to f.kd. if you don't know what you're doing.
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lol, sucks getting old, I did the mod myself with a $7 iron from radio shack in less than 10 min. Disclaimer: I sharped my soldering skills working for a military contractor doing micro smb rework with a microscope 8~10 hours a day for a few years.
But yes, very small parts very very easy to f.kd. if you don't know what you're doing.
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Yes very much agreed, lol... I know what Im doing and my Iron is a standard Weller WES51 and I was using brand new 1/64 tips. I just could not properly see the damn thing. Below is an image of my resistor, its thinner then the finger print folds on my index finger, and my fingers are small lol. I have to agree its best to use a microscope set to something easy like 50-100x I would assume.
Vibrant T959 resistor to remove for this mod--> http://i.imgur.com/b6t8S.jpg
On another topic, several years ago I found out I am diabetic and I now can not read text even on my 55" HDTV, although I am near sighted (and it seems like I am focusing ok when using the loop) I have a feeling it must be my eyes not allowing me to see it clearly. After testing and RMA repairing thousands of Qualcom GPS units back in the day, I am not accustomed to failing at something I was normally always was good at. I guess the last 10 years of not working in the electronics industry has made me rusty (2001 I changed professions). My baby brother got to witness this mod taking place on his Fascinate and his jaw nearly dropped, and he mods car computers as a hobby. Its not something 99% of users could do I wouldn't think.
P.S. I have 6 years straight of RMA surface mount repair work on the GPS units you find in the trucking industry (the first few generations in the mid 90's), not only did I solder 8 hours 5 days a week, I also had to clean out disgusting coffee crap and cigarette/cigar residue (and only God knows what else), LOL... But it was fun. I would clean the disassembled units in a commercial grade dishwasher machine (just for electronics) using only hot distilled water, and then dry bake them in an oven, re-assemble them with new screens/keyboards etc and then go to town testing/repairing what ever it was that got it sent in for the RMA in the first place. The work was not even close to the small size this phones pcb and components are though, lol... not even remotely... haha, I would need a Microscope to regain my confidence to regularly work on this PCB again...
A $7 IRON????? Jeez and I barely could do it with descent equipment
Ironically I developed far sight problems, my doctor said was because of the extended hours working with a microscope and my eyes started to become lazy to focus at far objects, however my near vision improve ??? go figure.
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WAIT, WAIT LOOK AT THIS FIRST, ADAMS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME, AND ITS LOOKING LEGIT TO BE ABLE TO DO AN UNSOLDERABLE JTAG!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1397393
To the OP, I really hate saying this but I just have to ask. What were you thinking Odining your phone without the battery cover on??? This is just asking for a hard brick... Now that I got that off my chest I want to say I feel your pain. As jrafael has stated you can debrick it yourself if you can solder. But, I would contact Adam Outler here in the XDA forums and ask him if he is still doing this service. Below is his Vibrant DeBrick thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=17895947#post17895947
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WAIT, WAIT LOOK AT THIS FIRST, ADAMS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME, AND ITS LOOKING LEGIT TO BE ABLE TO DO AN UNSOLDERABLE JTAG!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1397393
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I have to see it to believe it... this phone is getting more and more amazing
I can't thank you guys more for the responses.
I am trying them to see if I have any luck.
I Hear Ya Skorpn
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LMAO, I know it Bro!! It does seem a bit of a stretch, but I do respect Adams work in this area!
Especially since I myself once bricked my T959, by doing a KIES up-grade procedure, before I was warned by stumbling across a thread the next day after I made the fatal mistake, on the dangers of using KIES, Was dumb and newbee then!! = @#$%&* and even more cuss words! LOL
So anyways I've been looking and hoping for someone to be able to do what Adam says he's accomplished, and that is to be able to re-write corrupted primary and 2ndary Bootloaders W/O having to JTAG the traditional way!
But I'm not even disputing your word Bro, and I respect your contribution to this community as well. I'm still kinda lost as an Easter Egg with Linux, but I'm educating myself each week with it, so as to be able to perhaps execute a recovery if I brick my phone again, so I thought throwing that Post Link in by Adam might have some merit to it, and help this poor Guy out, I feel his pain, But like you I gotta wonder why he had the cover off, and had it set somewhere it would fall and unplug,etc!! Peace Bro!
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LMAO, I know it Bro!! It does seem a bit of a stretch, but I do respect Adams work in this area!
Especially since I myself once bricked my T959, by doing a KIES up-grade procedure, before I was warned by stumbling across a thread the next day after I made the fatal mistake, on the dangers of using KIES, Was dumb and newbee then!! = @#$%&* and even more cuss words! LOL
So anyways I've been looking and hoping for someone to be able to do what Adam says he's accomplished, and that is to be able to re-write corrupted primary and 2ndary Bootloaders W/O having to JTAG the traditional way!
But I'm not even disputing your word Bro, and I respect your contribution to this community as well. I'm still kinda lost as an Easter Egg with Linux, but I'm educating myself each week with it, so as to be able to perhaps execute a recovery if I brick my phone again, so I thought throwing that Post Link in by Adamhttp://media.xda-developers.com/images/editor/menupop.gif might have some merit to it, and help this poor Guy out, I feel his pain, But like you I gotta wonder why he had the cover off, and had it set somewhere it would fall and unplug,etc!! Peace Bro![/QUOTE]
I had the cover off because I was battery pulling because I was flashing MIUI, then ICS Passion v8 came along and i wanted to ODIN but was too lazy to put the cover back on. It was on my lap, i moved a bit and bam, it falls to the ground :/
thanks a bunch though, trying your thing first.
Good luck shawayne, I hope Santa is kind to you this year...
Still no luck sadly.... I think I am just going to have to sell it..
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Still no luck sadly.... I think I am just going to have to sell it..
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Sounds like your looking for an upgrade from the Vibrant. Why not just get it fixed? I think its only like $35 or along those lines to debrick it... might be wrong though...
I have just wasted so much money on phones its not even worth it anymore. I have a Samsung galaxy S2 Epic Touch which im thinking of using now. The vibrant was the best phone I have ever owned, and if its a free fix, i will stay with it, but I honestly do not want to spend over 20 more dollars.
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I have just wasted so much money on phones its not even worth it anymore. I have a Samsung galaxy S2 Epic Touch which im thinking of using now. The vibrant was the best phone I have ever owned, and if its a free fix, i will stay with it, but I honestly do not want to spend over 20 more dollars.
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O, I hear ya. Good luck with what ever you do. The Vibrant is still pulling in good money even for bricked ones, so good luck to you...
Hey I hear ya, stuff happens, and if were smart, it doesn't re-occur!! LOL
Anyways food for thought, If you actually get the boot-loaders re-flashed and your phone turns on, awesome job, congratulations!
BTW, the primary Bootldr is for powering the phone back on, and is the most important one, the 2ndary Bootldr does the instructions for loading the OS or as we call it the ROM.
OK also, bear in mind, this resurrection Adams got going is for either GB or ICS Roms, so what I'm pointing out is. If you do get it to turn on, after doing the Bootldr's.
Remember to load a ROM that is specific in build to either GB or ICS!!!!
Otherwise it might cause a big problem, because if the BL's are written for those type of builds, then it can only seem logical to me to re-flash from the start one of those two types.
If it powers back on, you can let it roll and see what happens or pull the battery before it begins to load the ROM that may be on it. Have ODIN or Heimdall set up with a GB or ICS based build, extract the TAR file from whatever flavor you choose, and then set it up, with re-partician, and the 512 pit, and tick reboot after flashing or keep it un-ticked, wait for the Green Pass indicator on ODIN etc, and then un plug it, and hold the power rocker until it turns on, your choice!!
At least then if it successfully boots up with that ROM, you have a working phone that you can tear back down and start where you want or move forward to NEO's ROM, which I recommend Passions V8 as you were attempting that before this ordeal happened! I've been running it all day, and so far 0 defects, despite all the chatter I've read about problems, which aren't occurring on my install.
I always wipe, both caches before I do the 1st re-boot after a ROM flash! Prevents alot of bootlooping and problems!!
Anyways good luck with all this, and Please inform me on whatever happened good/bad/or indifferent. As I need to know if this is a new frontier we've crossed here concerning the Vibrants, and Adams brain child program!
Let me start this by saying I LOVE the Nexus 10. It's the most comfortable tablet I've used and the screen is just phenomenal, aside from that, the random reboots are really dragging down the experience. I'm sure there still have to be people having these issues, and what are you doing to combat/keep the tablet from rebooting? I've factory reset my device probably 5 times since my purchase in January, and have installed a few ROMs to try and stop them to no avail. I'm currently running CM10.1 with KTManta and are still having crashes daily, if not every 3-4 hours of heavy use. Location services are disabled, and Chrome is nowhere to be found. How many here are still having these issues? I'm just trying to grab a realistic number here for the community. Would those who are having freezes and reboots like to contribute to a global list where we could possibly list all of the applications that we use to see if there is a common ground amongst us? I just hate that this awesome tablet is being placed on the back burner for now with what would appear like no indication of upcoming fixes. I'm sure IO will bring us a more stable version of Android (4.2.2 is pretty awful) but that's still quite a bit away.
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There are two awesome threads that this is being discussed on, one is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998496 the other is a Google thread referenced in that same discussion.
I may have had a comepletely different problem, but a RMA made my N10 go from bad to good experience
Been running 4.2.2 official AOKP with default kernel for the last couple weeks and haven't had 1 freeze/reboot. Battery great also with around 7-8 hours of screen time.
4.2.2 was a huge improvement
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I am currently on a CM10 base and KTManta kernel and I have no reboots or other problems at all. I had been on AOKP PUB for quite a while before this and it was fine too, and before that I was on a really old build of CM10 (4.2.1) for a long time with only a couple issues due to memory leaks that caused a reboot once every few days.
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There are two awesome threads that this is being discussed on, one is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998496 the other is a Google thread referenced in that same discussion.
I may have had a comely different problem, but a RMA made my N10 go from bad to good experience
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Your second device isn't rebooting?
Edit: To OP. I gave up combatting it. Nothing seems to work. It could be an app but when it reboots sometimes every few days that would be hard to troubleshoot. I can swap an app list with you if you want although it may be more beneficial to see those the apps of those with no issues so you could have a starting point?
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I own this device for ~4 weeks now and I haven't had a single reboot, freeze or anything.
Of course I understand that not everybody is this lucky, so I feel sad for you guys but it seems to be more hardware reliant than anything with newer devices not experiencing many problems.
I experienced several reboots a day when I first received my Nexus 10. It was frustrating to use at best. Since the 4.2.2 (I'm running stock with root) upgrade and switching to Chrome beta I no longer have any reboot problems with the same device. I am now able to turn on location awareness without lockups or reboots as well. It's a complete 180.
My wife just bought her own Nexus 10 and hers has never locked up or rebooted spontaneously. Hers is stock, unrooted, and she uses non-beta Chrome.
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It is not.
I mentioned it in another thread, but I prefer to charge a units battery 100% full, then run the unit unitl it turns its self off from dead battery. The first two "cycles" on my RMA unit I did that, no problems during either cycle, each cycle was three days long. So then I started to charge it when the battery said 1%, and now I'm up to 302 hours of uptime. There have been no shell reboots during this 302 hours, as I've always been sure to leave an app in "recently used" and its always still there. I've also been using things that previously I would not have, such as Maps, apps that run message in status bar such as "Date In Status Bar HD" etc etc.
But full tech-slanted disclaimer because I know the history of this problem:
-My problem on my original unit 99.9% of the time manifested its self as "sleep of death", a bit different than "the masses"
-On my RMA unit, I've never opened Chrome. Not because I am wanting to use it but avoiding it, rather I only ever want to use one browser per device, and since I need to use Boat for Flash, I run Boat instead
-Similarly, I have not done anything "trying to force a crash" on the unit. For example, I've not run that crash app that dude just posted to the Google thread
-Again related to my personality/thought process: My goal has been "just use the tablet as I normally would" so that DOES include things like surfing the web on Boat for 3 hours at a time, running some lame match-3 games, etc etc. I am NOT sitting in a class all day with the unit open for 8 hour stints, nor am I watching YouTube for hours at a time, nor am I taking 1 hour video recordings on the device. So moderate use, but not "stress testing" use.
Still, the summary of my experience says it all (for me) - Could not consider the original unit dependable in anyway, it almost always was "off" if it was sitting on my desk, whereas now the new unit has not had a single event and I'm about one month into it, every day use... Original unit I noticed the problem within the first 3 days of ownership, but I thought there was a setting I had wrong, then I thought it was a problem that 4.2.2 would fix - both those assessments of my original device were wrong.
One more data point on this - My new unit is the D serial number, my original was the C - but another user here described the EXACT same crap I was dealing with, and his was a D - so I don't think there is an exact match for the possible theory of serial numbers (again in the context of sleep-of-death-manifestation.)
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I've not had one single reboot or freeze with this tablet, I'm on the stock 4.2.2. I have had some apps crash which brings me to my next point... How do your log cats look? They are usually a good starting point when trying to figure out the cause of a crash.
And if you are getting multiple reboots across a spread of roms than it's most likely an app. You need to take the time and figure out which app is causing it. It will be worth it in the long run!
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I mentioned it in another thread, but I prefer to charge a units battery 100% full, then run the unit unitl it turns its self off from dead battery.
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You do that every time? That's not good and definitely not needed with lithium ion batteries.
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I've not had one single reboot or freeze with this tablet, I'm on the stock 4.2.2. I have had some apps crash which brings me to my next point... How do your log cats look? They are usually a good starting point when trying to figure out the cause of a crash.
And if you are getting multiple reboots across a spread of roms than it's most likely an app....
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I think that is the point for the OP but nobody is doing it. Can you guys with no reboots list the apps on your device? That would give the people with reboots a starting point.
I appreciate the input to the thread but (I'll probably get flamed for this) many of the anecdotal responses are not of much value IMHO. You can't really start any troubleshooting with and not trying to single anyone out, 4.2.2 fixed it, my RMA'd device fixed it, beta-chrome works for me, non-beta for the wife, it's hardware, newer ones are better, turn off location services, etc. I have an RMA'd device so it is newer than the first batch. To that point, there is a guy in the thread bigmatty linked where the device is 8 days old. Is it an app? I hope so but with the infrequency of the reboots or seemingly randomness of it it is hard to troubleshoot. AOKP ran for 2 days 9 hours for me then crashed, then crashed again in 5 hours, and now up for 2 days again so far. The thing is they were all when idle so it is really hard to say what happened. One of my logs suggests gtalk loosing connection and rebooting the tablet. The other says nothing "illegal" or anything like that in the logs. Just the activity manager freaks out like every other log and then watchdog kills everything.
So, you guys with perfect N10s why don't you give us an app list so us poor bastards with reboots have a starting point....please
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I think that is the point for the OP but nobody is doing it. Can you guys with no reboots list the apps on your device? That would give the people with reboots a starting point.
So, you guys with perfect N10s why don't you give us an app list so us poor bastards with reboots have a starting point....please
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Look, that's not how troubleshooting works. The easiest and most efficient way is to reset your roms, add one or two apps a day, and keep adding apps till you find the problem. Patience is the key. But once you find the problem you'll be very pleased. Me or anyone else listing apps on our devices will not be meaningful to the problem because you're looking for apps that work, you're looking for ones that don't.
Your starting point is a ROM with no apps.
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You do that every time? That's not good and definitely not needed with lithium ion batteries.
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Well, I've personally done a lot of research into this topic, and no one will ever convince me any other method is as good for the batteries as it is. I've seen the battery discussions on both sides drag on for miles, so not worth discussing really. Just IMHO - ALL batteries can still suffer from memory effect. (Again, seen both sides of that discussion.)
I agree w/ the "top-level-general uncertainty" about these devices and thus the inherent frustrating complexities that rxnelson is talking about. My general opinion on the situation, is - if nothing else, there are some truly defective units in the field now, which further complicates the issue/troubleshooting.
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Look, that's not how troubleshooting works. The easiest and most efficient way is to reset your roms, add one or two apps a day, and keep adding apps till you find the problem. Patience is the key. But once you find the problem you'll be very pleased. Me or anyone else listing apps on our devices will not be meaningful to the problem because you're looking for apps that work, you're looking for ones that don't.
Your starting point is a ROM with no apps.
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Yea...well that is probably not going to happen for most people. Even at 10 apps 2 days per app you are looking at almost a month of troubleshooting. Most people aren't going to do that. There is also nothing to say that your bad app didn't cause an issue in 2 days but 4 instead you will be thinking the wrong app caused the issue. Anyway it was what the OP asked for so also trying to stay on topic.
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Yea...well that is probably not going to happen for most people. Even at 10 apps 2 days per app you are looking at almost a month of troubleshooting. Most people aren't going to do that. There is also nothing to say that your bad app didn't cause an issue in 2 days but 4 instead you will be thinking the wrong app caused the issue. Anyway it was what the OP asked for so also trying to stay on topic.
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Yeah I hear you man. When I was in the cell phone business as much as I love android I hated selling android phones because people go app crazy and install whatever they can find. Then they come back the next day because their phone isn't working properly. Lol.
But honestly, how many different apps do you use on a typical day? And let's put games and other non productive apps aside. So for troubleshooting purposes start with the apps you really, truly, honestly NEED and see if you still get issues.
This really becomes a circular discussion. Its the same as the original links I was referencing. Mods are just humoring us by not merging...
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Well, I've personally done a lot of research into this topic, and no one will ever convince me any other method is as good for the batteries as it is. I've seen the battery discussions on both sides drag on for miles, so not worth discussing really. Just IMHO - ALL batteries can still suffer from memory effect. (Again, seen both sides of that discussion.)
I agree w/ the "top-level-general uncertainty" about these devices and thus the inherent frustrating complexities that rxnelson is talking about. My general opinion on the situation, is - if nothing else, there are some truly defective units in the field now, which further complicates the issue/troubleshooting.
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I'd invite you to do some more research into the topic, check this out: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries It's a great site for real battery information.
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Yeah I hear you man. When I was in the cell phone business as much as I love android I hated selling android phones because people go app crazy and install whatever they can find. Then they come back the next day because their phone isn't working properly. Lol.
But honestly, how many different apps do you use on a typical day? And let's put games and other non productive apps aside. So for troubleshooting purposes start with the apps you really, truly, honestly NEED and see if you still get issues.
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I hear you as well. To be honest I'm just kind of done with troubleshooting. I've had a rebooting device since November. I'm just looking for a base to start with I guess. Kind of like at work. We have 10-15 core apps we install and test on a PC. When they are tested we make an image and blast that to the other devices. If 19 of 20 of the PCs work then we re-image the one. If that doesn't work it almost isn't worth the trouble shooting as we have 20 more that need imaged. Most of the time they chalk it up to hardware send it to the PC techs and move on. If I get bored I'll reflash....and yes honestly I don't use that many apps but it is still kind of a kick in the balls that you have to baby the device. I still think there is something generally wrong with the I/O of the two devices I've had. If I do a restore all apps and I mess with the tablet while it is downloading and installing all those apps they were both almost guaranteed to reboot.
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I'd invite you to do some more research into the topic, check this out: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries It's a great site for real battery information.
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:cyclops: I've read it all and done my own tests that span years... Even talked with former battery engineers about the topics and theories. My method always leaves my devices "more charged longer". Like I said, seen this battery topic drag on endlessly...
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This really becomes a circular discussion. Its the same as the original links I was referencing. Mods are just humoring us by not merging...
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So where is that app list?
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I hear you as well. To be honest I'm just kind of done with troubleshooting. I've had a rebooting device since November. IAt the very least,'m just looking for a base to start with I guess. Kind of like at work. We have 10-15 core apps we install and test on a PC. When they areexpressly increasingxotically increStillasing the oddse tested we make an image and blast that to the other devices. If 19 of 20 of the PCs work then we re-image the one. If that doesn't work it almost isn't worth the trouble shooting as we have 20 more that need imaged. Most of the time they chalk it up to hardware send it to the PC techs and move on. If I get bored I'll reflash....and yes honestly I don't use that many apps but it is still kind of a kick in the balls that you have to baby the device. I still think there is something generally wrong with the I/O of the two devices I've had. If I do a restore all apps and I mess with the tablet while it is downloading and installing all those apps they were both almost guaranteed to reboot.
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The odds seem so impossible that you personally would have got two defective devices, but clearly you have the tech chops to give a good assessment to the situation - I would love to see your experience with a third device... Just because each different physical device you test would keep exponentially increasing the odds.
A couple of the others who seem real in tune to this issue, I think have a hard or impossible return/RMA path, so I feel like it's an option not being that exhausted yet.
Well, I don't know that I am off much more help on this topic in general. I watched it so intensely for a couple months so its still got my interest. At the very least, guessing all the talks cab start again after klp is released!
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So where is that app list?
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I'll do this for you later today. Like I was saying, I think you are Not crazy :highfive:
Hi,
I just wanted to report what it is likely to be a bug after the latest update to 4.3
Power-off takes 60 secs vs 7-8 secs before the update.
I read somewhere this is due to the applications to be closed, which obviously was also the case before the update, therefore I don't get it.
I am sure many other people must have the same problem, anybody in this forum found a fix or got any official feedback from Sony regarding this issue?
Cheers
Alex
It's indeeed a bug with the 4.3 update, but nothing to be worried about (I mean, won't cause any problems). Just wait a little bit more so it can fully shut down...
Since in normal operation one never shuts a tablet down, the bug is irrelevant.
Hi,
Maybe is not relevant for you, my tablet, once has been used is powered-off and this may happen multiple times per day, so for me this is very relevant.
I hope Sony will fix this soon.
Alex
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Hi,
Maybe is not relevant for you, my tablet, once has been used is powered-off and this may happen multiple times per day, so for me this is very relevant.
I hope Sony will fix this soon.
Alex
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Why do you turn if off so often? There's no need for that.
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Maybe is not relevant for you, my tablet, once has been used is powered-off and this may happen multiple times per day, so for me this is very relevant.
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Then you simply don't have a clue how a mobile device is meant to be used.
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Then you simply don't have a clue how a mobile device is meant to be used.
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It's a question of perspective, in principle you should never judge someone else's behavior, also because, sooner or later you may discover you were wrong
Regardless, this is a bug, period. This is what I wanted to know, the rest is not important.
For me this topic is closed, unless somebody has something relevant and pertinent to add to my original question.
Thank you
Alex
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It's a question of perspective, in principle you should never judge someone else's behavior, also because, sooner or later you may discover you were wrong
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In other cases this is right, but in this case you're simply wrong, period. Your habit of turning off the tablet after each use is laughably nooby and BS-y, except if you can name a really good, special reason for that (I take all bets that you don't have one.)
i'm not taking sides, but dam why on earth would you switch your tablet off multiple times a day ? There's no point if you need proof ? Your speaking to it. i know this is a bit of topic, i picked a Core i7 Mac Book Pro. it's a late 2011 model. And that's the year i picked it up 2011 since 2011 i haven't switched of my mac book pro not once, it's always been on standby and mostly plugged into the thunderbolt display.. The battery cycle count is 50 witch shows there's no need to switch off your electronics as the hardware in today's technology is built to be in standby for months and years on end, we live in a fast pace planet, instant use, instant boot.. And switching your electronics on and off wears and tears the hardware much faster.. FACT!
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In other cases this is right, but in this case you're simply wrong, period. Your habit of turning off the tablet after each use is laughably nooby and BS-y, except if you can name a really good, special reason for that (I take all bets that you don't have one.)
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A good reason for doing so could be - it's HIS device, not yours!
Call it laughable, BS'y or whatever you want, he can do what ever he want with HIS device - like it or not.
I also turn mine off/restart once a while. Not several times daily, but maybe once/twice a week. It runs better/faster/smother after a restart (my oppinion).
He can do, but then he should not complain.
And we're not talking about one restart every few days, we're talking about restarting for each f*****g use, several times a day!
Wow, this thread is out of control. I use my tablet all day long ... If I had to shut it down after each use I would probably go through the process about 200 times daily and Yes the tablet does take time to shutdown. Thanks god I only shutdown/reboot when I update my SuperSU to make it part of the system files otherwise I would throw it out the window or shoot myself. But since a tablet is meant to stay on Sleep/StandBy, Im not sure Sony would consider this a bug ... If it is, then I have to agree ... at least to me ... irrelevant but I feel for the guy that needs to wait 60 secs everytime he shuts it down after a single use.
Not judging but do you shut down your phone after each call you make? They are the same types of devices.