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So here's where I'm kinda sketchy I don't no if I want to trade I want to just to mess with the phone since no jailbreak is out yet for my fw I don't use it for a phone just fir wifi and free texting what should I do I haven't messed with a windows phone in a while don't think I liked it but I'm willing to give it a shot if I can get a app for free texting and if install android on it will I need a data plan to get past a login screen
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So here's where I'm kinda sketchy I don't no if I want to trade I want to just to mess with the phone since no jailbreak is out yet for my fw I don't use it for a phone just fir wifi and free texting what should I do I haven't messed with a windows phone in a while don't think I liked it but I'm willing to give it a shot if I can get a app for free texting and if install android on it will I need a data plan to get past a login screen
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You don't NEED a data plan , but TMO will make you get one ...
WinMo is not , well trying to say this without insulting you, as "Fisher Price" as the Iphone is, the interface is more powerful but not as intuitive.
The HD2 is a great phone, but it really is not a toy/media player , not like the commercials tend to make it sound, it is more robust and customizable , but requires more "digging in".
My first piece of advice to you if you get one, is to get rid of the stock TMO ROM and find a custom one that fits your needs, most are much faster than the stock ROM.
Hey man thanks intjinknthatnim going to do it would you mind helping memoir when I get it I would like to install android on it and I'm hoping I could get help I haven't messed around with android or winmobile in a while is it worth installing it
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Hey man thanks intjinknthatnim going to do it would you mind helping memoir when I get it I would like to install android on it and I'm hoping I could get help I haven't messed around with android or winmobile in a while is it worth installing it
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Android at this point just runs as an app on top of winmo, so will not hurt your phone and pretty easy , it either works or it doesn't usually ..
The current Android builds are fun to play with , but that is about it, nothing but testing right now, no stable ROM replacements yet, could be quite a while for that ..
Ok do I have to install Linux then the android wait what's the first step coming from a stock phoneno roms flashed
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Ok do I have to install Linux then the android wait what's the first step coming from a stock phoneno roms flashed
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NO, Android at this point RUNS on WinMO as an app, linux is not fully working yet either, and also runs as an app on top of winMo ...
Sounds like you need to do some reading on the custom ROMs and , how to flash , poke around the site , there are very good tutorials on flashing your first ROM ..
The look through the ROMs thread, find one you like that is compatible with your phone, and follow the tutorial, I don't think I could help you any more than one of the good tutorials ...
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NO, Android at this point RUNS on WinMO as an app, linux is not fully working yet either, and also runs as an app on top of winMo ...
Sounds like you need to do some reading on the custom ROMs and , how to flash , poke around the site , there are very good tutorials on flashing your first ROM ..
The look through the ROMs thread, find one you like that is compatible with your phone, and follow the tutorial, I don't think I could help you any more than one of the good tutorials ...
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Just wanted to point out that Android and linux DOES NOT run on top of winmo... When you run HaRET, it completely shuts down the windows ce kernel and loads the linux kernel. WinMo is no longer running in the background when you're running android.
WHen a good stable (witch there alreay kind of is) android version is out with everything pretty much working, when would an atcual ROM be out so we can get rid of winmo completley? after a stable version is made, it is easy or hard to do that?
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WHen a good stable (witch there alreay kind of is) android version is out with everything pretty much working, when would an atcual ROM be out so we can get rid of winmo completley? after a stable version is made, it is easy or hard to do that?
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why on earth would you wanna do that...?. if you hate winmo so much why not just sell up and buy an android phone....problem solved !!!
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why on earth would you wanna do that...?. if you hate winmo so much why not just sell up and buy an android phone....problem solved !!!
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Where in my post did i say "i hate WInmo"? i went back to read it and i did not see it there??
obviously android will run much faster and better with winmo not also running.
THAT is what i meant...why run two OS's?
and if android will have a full port...why change??
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Where in my post did i say "i hate WInmo"? i went back to read it and i did not see it there??
obviously android will run much faster and better with winmo not also running.
THAT is what i meant...why run two OS's?
and if android will have a full port...why change??
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From what I know both OS's are not running, hence having to shut down android and reboot winmo. But Im probably wrong.
Though I too would like to know an answer to your question about a rom!
At the risk of sounding borishly redundant... search is your friend, and of course it's all speculative.
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Where in my post did i say "i hate WInmo"? i went back to read it and i did not see it there??
obviously android will run much faster and better with winmo not also running.
THAT is what i meant...why run two OS's?
and if android will have a full port...why change??
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fair enough, but when i read "so we can get rid of winmo completley" it kind of makes me think your not at all happy with the os. android on hd2 is never going to be the same as having a dedicated android phone, so why not just sell up and buy a phone with the os you want the most...?
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fair enough, but when i read "so we can get rid of winmo completley" it kind of makes me think your not at all happy with the os. android on hd2 is never going to be the same as having a dedicated android phone, so why not just sell up and buy a phone with the os you want the most...?
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good piont...i was just under the impression that it will run good on android...
what would not run good on it as if it were an android phone itself?
NO NO NO NO NO NO
do we have to have this **** every freaking day
Only 1 or 2 other winmo devices have flashable android roms for them out of over a dozen that have android ports, and it took years of development. And the ports running from nand don't have much of a performance boost, if any. In fact, sometimes the nand versions have less functionality because the ports still use winmo to initialize some hardware until they develop the right drivers to initialize on there own. Thats why some ports for some winmo phones need you to run a 3d app before running haret to get 3d working on android or similar things. The windows kernel is shut down from haret... its not running at the same time as linux. I neer understood why people want to flash over winmo when you could have a phone that runs both. You can have a powerphone that runs 2or 3 os's, or you can have just an android phone that is buggier and less stable than a native android phone. If you want just android and nothing else, why not just get an android phone. I would much rather have a dual booting phone.
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Only 1 or 2 other winmo devices have flashable android roms for them out of over a dozen that have android ports, and it took years of development. And the ports running from nand don't have much of a performance boost, if any. In fact, sometimes the nand versions have less functionality because the ports still use winmo to initialize some hardware until they develop the right drivers to initialize on there own. Thats why some ports for some winmo phones need you to run a 3d app before running haret to get 3d working on android or similar things. The windows kernel is shut down from haret... its not running at the same time as linux. I neer understood why people want to flash over winmo when you could have a phone that runs both. You can have a powerphone that runs 2or 3 os's, or you can have just an android phone that is buggier and less stable than a native android phone. If you want just android and nothing else, why not just get an android phone. I would much rather have a dual booting phone.
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Informative post, thanks.
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Only 1 or 2 other winmo devices have flashable android roms for them out of over a dozen that have android ports, and it took years of development. And the ports running from nand don't have much of a performance boost, if any. In fact, sometimes the nand versions have less functionality because the ports still use winmo to initialize some hardware until they develop the right drivers to initialize on there own. Thats why some ports for some winmo phones need you to run a 3d app before running haret to get 3d working on android or similar things. The windows kernel is shut down from haret... its not running at the same time as linux. I neer understood why people want to flash over winmo when you could have a phone that runs both. You can have a powerphone that runs 2or 3 os's, or you can have just an android phone that is buggier and less stable than a native android phone. If you want just android and nothing else, why not just get an android phone. I would much rather have a dual booting phone.
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VERY VERY informative. wow, great info. i did not know that Haret **** down Winmo Kernal. i thought they were both running at same time...
so what your saying, we can run a day to day android system off our SD card for good if we wanted?? would getting a class higher then muy class 2 sd card help alot?
Thanks so much for your info...
dvigue said:
VERY VERY informative. wow, great info. i did not know that Haret **** down Winmo Kernal. i thought they were both running at same time...
so what your saying, we can run a day to day android system off our SD card for good if we wanted?? would getting a class higher then muy class 2 sd card help alot?
Thanks so much for your info...
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Yeah, it will run just as well off our sd card as the nand once they get it stable and working well... that's whats great about these ports. That's why I never understood why people are so gung-ho about getting a rom flash with android... that takes away the beauty of having the android port on a winmo device... you get to pick which os you want to use... you can have apps for both. I love android, but I love winmo, also. Android can't play playstation games, which is my main method of entertainment on my phone... but there are many other games for android... AND WE CAN HAVE BOTH!!!
And yes, I think a faster memory card will speed things up during some processes, but I don't know how noticeable a difference it makes. Probably not that big of a difference, but maybe for certain actions or apps it might if lots of data trasferring is happening.
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Yeah, it will run just as well off our sd card as the nand once they get it stable and working well... that's whats great about these ports. That's why I never understood why people are so gung-ho about getting a rom flash with android... that takes away the beauty of having the android port on a winmo device... you get to pick which os you want to use... you can have apps for both. I love android, but I love winmo, also. Android can't play playstation games, which is my main method of entertainment on my phone... but there are many other games for android... AND WE CAN HAVE BOTH!!!
And yes, I think a faster memory card will speed things up during some processes, but I don't know how noticeable a difference it makes. Probably not that big of a difference, but maybe for certain actions or apps it might if lots of data trasferring is happening.
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What about the increased battery consumption because Android is running off SD card? I for one love having the option of having a dual boot device, but from everything I have read so far, it is not possible to have both Winmo and an Android port installed on the internal memory of the phone. It's either one or the other, is that correct?
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What about the increased battery consumption because Android is running off SD card? I for one love having the option of having a dual boot device, but from everything I have read so far, it is not possible to have both Winmo and an Android port installed on the internal memory of the phone. It's either one or the other, is that correct?
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good point...this phone will only last about 3-4 hours with it running of SD
so this will NEVER be able to be flashed?
dvigue said:
this phone will only last about 3-4 hours with it running of SD
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Where did you get that estimate from?
Kalavere said:
Where did you get that estimate from?
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probably from the results of the releases just days ago.
Battery life on the Android ports for the HD2 have come along way in mere days (Along with a bunch of additional improvements). Maybe he is just a little behind on the times.
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probably from the results of the releases just days ago.
Battery life on the Android ports for the HD2 have come along way in mere days (Along with a bunch of additional improvements). Maybe he is just a little behind on the times.
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im using the july 22ns zimage with the v5 desire...if i m using the phone, i get maybe 4 hours...sitting there,i get at least 10-15% drop per hour..sitting there..
what do you get? what do you use?
Battery life should improve some with more development, but even the ports that are flashable to nand suffer from poor battery life... we will probably never get nearly as good battery life from an android port as we will with winmo. The port that flashes on the kaiser eats the battery 2-3 times faster during heavy use and eats the battery 7 or 8 times faster during standby. Charging can be very unstable, also... it'll randomly stop.
Once there is a flashable port for the HD2, assuming there will be one eventually, it will probably have less functional hardware at first (may be missing wifi, 3g, bluetooth, camera, or gps for example) because we won't have winmo to initialize the hardware... it will take more development to make a nand port as functional as the "haret" port.
I'm not saying that a good flashable port won't neccessarily happen, but by going on the history of these ports, I wouldn't expect it too soon. But these developers have already surprised me with how functional they have gotten this port so quickly, so they may prove me wrong. I still wouldn't flash over WinMo, though... I like having a phone that can run 2 or more operating systems. I have my 2 favorite mobile os's on one phone!
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im using the july 22ns zimage with the v5 desire...if i m using the phone, i get maybe 4 hours...sitting there,i get at least 10-15% drop per hour..sitting there..
what do you get? what do you use?
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Wow, 4 hours on the newer builds is just awful...
You might wanna try a reformat of your SD card and just start all over. If that doesn't work, maybe look into the type of SD card you are using.
I have tried just about all the releases, but currently I am on:
Desire v5
Zimage 23th Cotulla
HSPL 3
radio 2.12.50.2.2
Miri v17.6 rom
Well, Im a bit new to this, but how many android ports have been developed this quickly? How many have been made with the benefit of an open source kernel and hardware that is very similar to device running android?
Seems the me that the HD2 is a bit of a special case...
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i also asked this question but was told you couldnt "dual-boot". maybe a little insight would help
bubba1114 said:
i also asked this question but was told you couldnt "dual-boot". maybe a little insight would help
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That's exactly why I think the fact he ran Android from SD allowed it. Even then, if its possible id switch back and forth between the two, not try to run both. We'll see tho.. NOTHING is impossible with these crazy lil phones lol
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well to start is there anyway to even port winmo to an android device or something that will wipe android and run just straight winmo because after that would be the easy part
how bout an iphone port?
Nikolai2.1 said:
how bout an iphone port?
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that would be interesting, kinda seems more work then itd be worth from everywhere ive read.
This would be nice, if it was possible, I wouldn't want to get rid of my Eris's.
bubba1114 said:
well to start is there anyway to even port winmo to an android device or something that will wipe android and run just straight winmo because after that would be the easy part
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That's what I'm saying. There's gotta be a way to wipe android off of the phone and start fresh.
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chelsea19 said:
This would be nice, if it was possible, I wouldn't want to get rid of my Eris's.
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Lol Yup! Exactly why I want to see if its possible/probable. Even if I have to pay a dev to see this. Wouldn't mind at all.
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the question would be if anybody would know how to port this or show us where to start
I know one of our great Eris devs HAS to know a starting point
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i just put a post over in the winmo section maybe they could help
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i just put a post over in the winmo section maybe they could help
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They prob could. Apparently HTC winmo phones can dualboot android or winmo during the startup... so there has to be a way to dual boot winmo on an HTC android device. I watched a video on YouTube that named 3 different devs that made this happen. Thinking about finding them and asking
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what videos are these? i was able to find the ones that had android running off the sd card and then you were able to choose autoboot fastboot winmo and android?
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what videos are these? i was able to find the ones that had android running off the sd card and then you were able to choose autoboot fastboot winmo and android?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata&v=xQUICjVhfAY
That's the one I watched. It's like you said, android on the SD with a winmo phone. Theres an exe that shuts down winmo, and apon reboot you can select either.
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I'm liking that. Anyone winmo port. Anyone
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Well everything that I've read says no developers want to work on this for various reasons.
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Well everything that I've read says no developers want to work on this for various reasons.
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Lol ive seen some of your posts, and you clearly hate Android so I know your def trying to find an answer. The HTC tilt2 on tmobile is a winmo phone. Apon running an .exe that shuts off winmo, you can dual boot into either OS. My theory is that if an HTC phone can have its main OS shut down, and run another OS (android) from the SD card, then couldn't an HTC android phone (eris) somehow have android shut off, and then dualboot either winmo from the SD or Android. It seems/sounds like a plausible theory, and really is just the reverse of something that can already be done, but want I need is insight from both OS's devs as to how or why this can work, if at all, and how or where to start. If it can and its an issue of time, id be happy to pay or help in any way possible. I could care less if I mess my phone up, I just want to see a dualboot function for HTC android phones. Doesn't even have to be winmo necessarily (although preferred lol), I've even seen some ppl trying to work on Ubuntu for Eris. The possibilities are endless, its just a matter of figuring out whos capable of starting a project like that.
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i agree 100% ^. but i just think its a matter of time. but in a way theres gotta some way to flash winmo over android. itd be nice to find out how tho. lol
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i agree 100% ^. but i just think its a matter of time. but in a way theres gotta some way to flash winmo over android. itd be nice to find out how tho. lol
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I know! I saw your post in the winmo dev general section, even posted to bump it up, but looks like no ones touching it
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Oke Guys,
This question has been asked for a million times i guess. But the search option on this forum is killing me, i never get to the thread i want to
So this is the story, i have my (Dutch) HTC HD2, standard ROM, Standard 2.5 sense.
Only things i changed are the icons, CHT and other basic stuff...
Now, i want to try Android on my phone, is that possible without ROM Updating my system (That will affect my Windows Mobile Install)
And how do i get the whole android thing installed on my phone?
Well, hope someone can help a dork and nutnut like me
Greetz..
ThaSySman said:
Oke Guys,
This question has been asked for a million times i guess. But the search option on this forum is killing me, i never get to the thread i want to
So this is the story, i have my (Dutch) HTC HD2, standard ROM, Standard 2.5 sense.
Only things i changed are the icons, CHT and other basic stuff...
Now, i want to try Android on my phone, is that possible without ROM Updating my system (That will affect my Windows Mobile Install)
And how do i get the whole android thing installed on my phone?
Well, hope someone can help a dork and nutnut like me
Greetz..
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in short the answer would be no.
There are many factors that enable android to run on an hd2,mostly rom & radios for which you'd need to hspl3 your phone. By upgrading your rom you wouldn't be loosing your windows mobile-if anything gaining more from a phone that is somewhat redundant without tweaking or upgrading. After all once you've got a custom rom you'll love it all the more & now with an android port the best of both world's. The best thing I did to my phone after having. It a couple of weeks was flashing over a radio & rom. Take the plunge & you'll see the vastness that this phone has
Last I checked ROM has nothing to do with it. Radio yes, depending on the radio version you have it might need to be changed. Android runs from the SD card and shuts down windows when it starts so what would the ROM have to do with anything.
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Last I checked ROM has nothing to do with it. Radio yes, depending on the radio version you have it might need to be changed. Android runs from the SD card and shuts down windows when it starts so what would the ROM have to do with anything.
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A lot of it is rom depending as I've only seem a handful of people who have it working on stock. To the op try it & report findings on here to give others the benefit
best bet would be to follow the installation guides.
I was in the same dilemma... Afraid to harm my precious HD2... I started with adding android to SD using the stock tmous rom and it was great until I had to make a call or received a call then it was all bad... I dealt with that for a month until I took the plunge and downloaded chuckys rom... totally worth it... most bugs fixed... sod here and there, but overall it's worth it!!!
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Hey guys, just wondering what light ROMs you guys use to pair with android. As we all know, android is becoming more and more dependable and moving towards something that can be used 24/7. I am currently using deepshining which I love but I get the sleep of death a lot. It is stripped down a lot but still has the essential programs (fileexplorer, PIMbackup, etc).
I'm just looking for something pretty stripped down and fast. Also some good battery life so it gives me as much time as possible for when I boot into android. Thanks.
Well, not sure if this is a solution for you, but a lot use Gen.Y - it gives you a choice on first boot if you want to boot WinMo or Android.
Re-reading your post several times, I'm confused. You say "I am currently using deepshining which I love but I get the sleep of death a lot." <-- you get SoD in WinMo!?!
Honestly, WinMo ROM has NO effect whatsoever on Android - about the only thing that would remotely effect Android is how "light" the ROM is, meaning it doesn't load a lot so you can get into Android quickly - which Gen.Y resolves, you can start booting Android ASAP after boot basically!
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Well, not sure if this is a solution for you, but a lot use Gen.Y - it gives you a choice on first boot if you want to boot WinMo or Android.
Re-reading your post several times, I'm confused. You say "I am currently using deepshining which I love but I get the sleep of death a lot." <-- you get SoD in WinMo!?!
Honestly, WinMo ROM has NO effect whatsoever on Android - about the only thing that would remotely effect Android is how "light" the ROM is, meaning it doesn't load a lot so you can get into Android quickly - which Gen.Y resolves, you can start booting Android ASAP after boot basically!
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haha yes, I get SOD in winmo. It's a common bug with the deepshining roms. It has something to do with sending sms and then when you sleep it, sometimes you get a SOD. The guy that makes deepshining roms is moving on and all of us with the bug are sort of left in the dust, that is why I am looking for a new light rom. I have used the Gen.Y program before but just in case, I like a decent rom anyways. Energy is nice but not as fast and battery light as deepshining. I might just try simplicity again.
technically this rom is practically perfect for booting w/ android; already comes with gen y dual boot, and the android app already points to haret.exe (in root, that is)
the only flaw is that since its a minimalistic barebones, there's no wordpad/notepad editor, which would be useful in editing your startup.txt.
anyways, enjoy!
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/tp2-andro...ndroid-dualboot-6-5-6-1-a-17.html#post2018867
You ever tried calkins rom
Disregard what I said did not notice the link there
Yea I might have to try that ROM, hopefully it solves my SOD issue too.
NRGY has a very slimmed down ROM designed for Anrdoid users like us. Here is the link to his thread hxxp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=562773 and the link to download the WM_Ultra Lite Android Rom hxxp://hotfile.com/list/828246/76478a8 Enjoy!
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NRGY has a very slimmed down ROM designed for Anrdoid users like us. Here is the link to his thread hxxp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=562773 and the link to download the WM_Ultra Lite Android Rom hxxp://hotfile.com/list/828246/76478a8 Enjoy!
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Forgot about those, thanks. I think I'm going to try the basic sense Energy ROM tomorrow and see what happens. I'm hoping it'll fix the issue considering it only ever happened in DeepShining.