I am waiting for my Archos 70 to come in. It should be here the 6th. and I was just wondering would it be possible to dual-boot windows on it? Sorry if it sounds stupid but this is my first tablet and just wondered if it would be possible.
and the reason why i would like it is because I would love to run android as the main platform but would also love to be able to run certain programs like Rosetta Stone while I'm on the go.
Not until the ARM version of Windows becomes available. You might be able to CE but I haven't seen anyone do that yet. You will also need to install the SDE to dual boot.
sorry to sound noobish but what is sde and CE?
truthkillszz said:
sorry to sound noobish but what is sde and CE?
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SDE is the "Special Developers Edition" of the Achos Firmware. You install it on your Archos & it will let you boot into a developer's menu which you can use to boot into other operating systems (at this point, Linux Based stuff including Android).
CE is the old-school embedable version of Windows that was used on PDAs & stuff 10 years ago. It is the precursor to Windows Mobile. It is still used in some cash registers & other specialty machines. Maybe you could manage to install it on your Archos...you won't be happy!
If I do use windows i will only use it when I want to use Rosetta Stone if it's compatible. But if we can do that we can switch between android and windows whenever we want?
NOOOOO.
You could only install Windows CE if ever.
And that is not a PC Windows.
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This isn't a guide, more an informative post and discussion for Android application and platform developers, AND regular users. Maybe a guide in the future will be a goal of mine.
Some of you may or may not know what VMware is, what it is for, or never used it. Trying to keep the OP brief; VMware is a virtualization solution(s) for desktops and servers. In layman's terms it allows an operating system to be run inside another operating system, instead of setting your desktop to dual boot (have an option at startup to load either windows or Mac as example). There are many applications and benefits to this kind of solution that I won't get into in the OP.
Currently there are solutions available and being built, but are not yet completely optimized, but you can do it. For a developer this means you can be developing Android applications or platforms on whatever OS you want by virtualizing the OS and software currently supported. It also means that you can replace the Android virtual emulator with an Android OS inside VMware for application development, but also means you can load your Android platform into VMware for testing while you develop. Why would you want to do this? Well we all know how painful slow the emulator is, and it is just made worse if your hardware is slow. Because the emulator emulates software running on an arm processor inside an x86 environment things are slow, which means your development is slowed. Using VMware however you are using binary translation to "port" your platform to x86 processing. Currently this solution is not completely optimized, or "official" but it will be. That means less development time, more support, and a more convenient option!
The other edge of the sword is also a VMware virtual machine environment inside Android's Dalvik virtual machine. For users, and developers in certain scenarios this opens even more possibilities. Imagine having the ability to use your personal Android, and that pesky dumbed down corporate phone running together, the corporate advice running inside your personal device, or vice versa. Also, the ability to run any other OS in your device. Windows, Linux and UNIX distributions, solaris, Mac, whatever you wish. This opens lots more doors for Android devices.
Now not everything is complete, but it will be. It sounds like VMware will end up and be the de facto standard for virtualization for Android, as the solution is in the works for google to put VMware into the Android core, in the kernel. Now that would be sweet, because if you have used VMware you probably agree with me that it is THE virtualization solution in any application or solution you need it in.
Maybe this isn't as exciting to others as it is for me. What do you guys think? Let the topic begin!
The following links are meant more to cite my sources, but each one of them is a more detailed read into the topic, and well worth reading to inform yourself and see what is in the works:
http://i.downloadsquad.switched.com/2011/02/15/android-dalvik-vmware-virtualization/
http://gigaom.com/2011/09/27/vmware-mobilize-201/
http://www.android-x86.org/
Run ICS in x86!
gborn said:
Currently a thread about running ICS x86 in Virtualbox is spreaded here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19815659#post19815659
And I managed at least to create a version of ice cream sandwich running in VMware workstation 7 (should run also in VMware player 3 and 4 and in Workstation 8 as well). The steps to convert the Virtualbox image to VMware are described here.
http://www.borncity.com/blog/2011/11/29/running-ice-cream-sandwich-in-vmware/
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I use VMware and vSphere at work to manage a bunch of our servers. I'll have to check in with the guy at work who actually implements/sells this to customers to see what he thinks. It seems interesting for sure though.
DoctorComrade said:
I use VMware and vSphere at work to manage a bunch of our servers. I'll have to check in with the guy at work who actually implements/sells this to customers to see what he thinks. It seems interesting for sure though.
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I don't know if it applies to what your doing, but it is pretty cool to be able to use VMware on your mobile device. If you are managing virtual servers there is already an official solution from VMware you can download from the Android market. It is called VMware view, for Android. Pretty cool.
There is a thread currently at top, with 30 people saying the solution wanted is impossible. You are wrong guys, not impossible at all. You can have windows and Android booting on the same device. Arm processor, x86, doesn't matter with this solution.
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There is a thread currently at top, with 30 people saying the solution wanted is impossible. You are wrong guys, not impossible at all. You can have windows and Android booting on the same device. Arm processor, x86, doesn't matter with this solution.
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Nothing is impossible, but where are you going to get a bootloader, Windows binaries, and SoC drivers?
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Nothing is impossible, but where are you going to get a bootloader, Windows binaries, and SoC drivers?
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Well in terms of doing dual boot natively, I agree, probably never going to happen...ever. However if you run it in a virtual machine, just like Android runs in the Dalvik virtual machine, it can be done.
The bootloader and drivers are already built and would be taken care of by VMware. You make or hint at a valid point, there would never be enough desire for anyone to do it natively. It isn't impossible, but just would never see anyone take the time to do it
Ice Cream Sandwich x86 in VMware
Currently a thread about running ICS x86 in Virtualbox is spreaded here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19815659#post19815659
And I managed at least to create a version of ice cream sandwich running in VMware workstation 7 (should run also in VMware player 3 and 4 and in Workstation 8 as well). The steps to convert the Virtualbox image to VMware are described here.
http://www.borncity.com/blog/2011/11/29/running-ice-cream-sandwich-in-vmware/
gborn said:
Currently a thread about running ICS x86 in Virtualbox is spreaded here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19815659#post19815659
And I managed at least to create a version of ice cream sandwich running in VMware workstation 7 (should run also in VMware player 3 and 4 and in Workstation 8 as well). The steps to convert the Virtualbox image to VMware are described here.
http://www.borncity.com/blog/2011/11/29/running-ice-cream-sandwich-in-vmware/
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Bingo! Awesome contribution! Yeah this is one of the two examples I speak of, Android running on an x86 CPU (instead of arm like our phones and tablets) running as virtualization of hardware. Great reply to back me up, and even a guide to boot, AND ics!! If you must play with ICS before it gets to evo 3D
Added the ICS in VMware to OP.
I have tried this a few way and in no way can i get it to work on VMWARE gets stuck on found androidx86
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Added the ICS in VMware to OP.
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works fine, just make sure you follow the steps to the t and convert the .vdi images to .vmdk to run smoothly in vmwareplayer (the link to instructions is kinda hidden away)
i used virtualbox to convert, then vmplayer to run the vmdk
thanks for the info... fun to play around with
digitaljeff said:
works fine, just make sure you follow the steps to the t and convert the .vdi images to .vmdk to run smoothly in vmwareplayer (the link to instructions is kinda hidden away)
i used virtualbox to convert, then vmplayer to run the vmdk
thanks for the info... fun to play around with
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No problemo
heres some links to the vmdk images to work in vmplayer, dont thank me, thank the guy who wrote the guide on converting vdi to vmdk
ICS vmdk
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FZWH3G20
SD card vmdk
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=15TLJZ87
I am considering buying either a Archos 43 (16 gig) -OR- a Samsung Galaxy 5 media player.
They are similar in size although the 5 is newer and prob technologically better since the 43 came out 3 or more years ago.
I like the Android operating system. But it has a few quirks. So I like Ubuntu since it's FREE! and it's kinda like windows...
What I want to know is how to put Ubuntu on either devices as simply as possible .
I am giving the 43 the edge since Archos has software to load another operating system (like Ubuntu) next to their Android system.
When I say 'Simply' I mean without rooting.
Rob
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1390351
Easy enough?
If you really want to install Ubuntu you need to install sde
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1198389
fzelle said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1390351
Easy enough?
If you really want to install Ubuntu you need to install sde
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1198389
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was just going to suggest the same thing
There are very few android devices that have native ubuntu running 100% due to lack of drivers so by running ubuntu in android, sure its a bit laggier but 100% working
Hi all,
I am wondering if it it would be possible with a kind of light virtualization tool, to run some very simple Windows applications (a .exe file with no installation required, no registry, no .dll, etc.) within Android.
Of course it would'nt be to use it on a smartphone but on a tablet.
Does it already exist ?
Use Bosch (I think that's what it's called) and install windows 95/xp.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA
There are emulators like Bochs and DosBox that will emulate an x86 system. But its going to be pretty slow feeling. ARM and x86 use different instruction sets so everything has to basically be translated between the two which slows things down. If its a modern or big program you'll be better off running through a remote desktop program.
Thanks Guys,
In fact it is only simple .exe files which don't need powerful calculations.
But you mean that it will need to install a full Window OS ?
I'll have a look to these two softwares you mentionned.
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Thanks Guys,
In fact it is only simple .exe files which don't need powerful calculations.
But you mean that it will need to install a full Window OS ?
I'll have a look to these two softwares you mentionned.
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Yeah, but you might be able to use a slimmed down version of the OS though.
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Yes you would need to install a emulated OS which is probably limited to Windows 9x or older. I don't think there is anything out there that can emulate the newer non DOS based versions of Windows like 2000, XP, etc.
WINE works without installing an OS since its x86 on x86. Makes you wonder if it would be possible to build WINE for Android x86.
Well then, these solutions are too heavy for what I want to do.
I don't want to emulate a full OS.
Maybe later, if there are more and more needs like mine, some developpers (or Google itself) will create such a too to run some simple Windows apps on Android without installing Windows...
Can I Install Windows Mobile 6.5 on any android phone ? Sorry For The *Noobish* Question . Just wondering if it can be done .
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Can I Install Windows Mobile 6.5 on any android phone ? Sorry For The *Noobish* Question . Just wondering if it can be done .
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I tried to search for you *which you might get flamed for by others for not doing first* but it looks like the general concencious is because windows mobile is a closed source there is no way for them to make the port over. the only reason people have been able to port android over to a window mobile phone is because its open source.
anyway why would you ever want to run windows mobile? even if you could find another phone close to it and somehow copy their winmo it would be buggy beyond comprehension with no way to fix
No as of now it cannot be done. Ive been hoping something would come along on Android that would allow ARM CPU visualization and emulated sound/graphics so that other ARM based operating systems like Windows Mobile, etc could be run without the need to emulate the CPU. This is similar to Virtualbox on desktops which will allow you to run x86/64 based operating systems at a decent speed since the CPU is virtualized.
Do you think there's any way to install WIN 10/11 on our tablet? (No emulators)[Dual Boot Maybe], even the ARM version works.
I am also ready to install (dualboot) chrome os (CloudReady), but for that we need the device to boot from live usb which maybe isn't available on our tablet, and if it is, please guide me.
I've done my part of research and I've been using the tab s 7+ for about 4 months now. I need windows or a full on chrome desktop experience of windows. My last resort for this will be Linux/Ubuntu, which i am not willing to go for, but will do if i have no other option.
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Do you think there's any way to install WIN 10/11 on our tablet? (No emulators)[Dual Boot Maybe], even the ARM version works.
I am also ready to install (dualboot) chrome os (CloudReady), but for that we need the device to boot from live usb which maybe isn't available on our tablet, and if it is, please guide me.
I've done my part of research and I've been using the tab s 7+ for about 4 months now. I need windows or a full on chrome desktop experience of windows. My last resort for this will be Linux/Ubuntu, which i am not willing to go for, but will do if i have no other option.
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I haven't heard of anyone installing windows 10 even windows 11 on an android tablet like the tab s7
Your best bet would be Linux or smth like that because the kernel would be similar.
Windows can’t be installed because Windows use a different kernel process from Linux and android, nonetheless, I don't know if anyone has managed to run it.
Amanpreet2000 said:
Do you think there's any way to install WIN 10/11 on our tablet? (No emulators)[Dual Boot Maybe], even the ARM version works.
I am also ready to install (dualboot) chrome os (CloudReady), but for that we need the device to boot from live usb which maybe isn't available on our tablet, and if it is, please guide me.
I've done my part of research and I've been using the tab s 7+ for about 4 months now. I need windows or a full on chrome desktop experience of windows. My last resort for this will be Linux/Ubuntu, which i am not willing to go for, but will do if i have no other option.
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Won't happen.
The bootloader will not allow it and Win 10/11 does not support the Qualcomm 865 SOC.
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Won't happen.
The bootloader will not allow it and Win 10/11 does not support the Qualcomm 865 SOC.
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I don't think the 845 was supported either, yet the Oneplus 6t runs Windows 11 though
Here's Windows 11 running on a OnePlus 6T months before it gets Android 11 [Video]
A talented developer has managed to install Microsoft's new Windows 11 platform on the OnePlus 6T, a device even lacking Android 11.
9to5google.com
Amanpreet2000 said:
Do you think there's any way to install WIN 10/11 on our tablet? (No emulators)[Dual Boot Maybe], even the ARM version works.
I am also ready to install (dualboot) chrome os (CloudReady), but for that we need the device to boot from live usb which maybe isn't available on our tablet, and if it is, please guide me.
I've done my part of research and I've been using the tab s 7+ for about 4 months now. I need windows or a full on chrome desktop experience of windows. My last resort for this will be Linux/Ubuntu, which i am not willing to go for, but will do if i have no other option.
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I use TeamViewer to get Windows fullscreen on the tablet =)
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I don't think the 845 was supported either, yet the Oneplus 6t runs Windows 11 though
Here's Windows 11 running on a OnePlus 6T months before it gets Android 11 [Video]
A talented developer has managed to install Microsoft's new Windows 11 platform on the OnePlus 6T, a device even lacking Android 11.
9to5google.com
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It loads and kinda runs, but core SOC features do not work.
So no, the 845 is not "supported".
No network, no bluetooth, no sound, partially functioning GPU... that's not a functional device.
An of course the high risk of bricking your device.
it is windows 11, idk if windows ARM would run it but idk, i rather not risk breaking my phone for installing windows
Hi,
I came across this article on how it can be done. https://www.androidauthority.com/install-windows-on-android-868800/
Download Change My Software Windows 11/10/8.1/8/7/XP Editiоn
Download Change My Software Windows 11 / 10 / 8.1 / 8 / 7 / XP How to Install Change My Software, Install Windows on Android Phone, Tablet.
www.changemysoftwares.com
I am not sure how correct it is...has anyone tried this?
Hi,
I can across this link talking about software that can do it....not sure about the authenticity of the same.
Here's how to install Windows on Android tablets
You can't directly install Windows on an Android tablet, but you can certainly use it on one. Here's how to use Windows on an Android tablet.
www.androidauthority.com
I wish this was possible .. now i am selling my tablet over this hhhh i mean cause i need to run windows
While the Windows 11 ARM Versions start to slowley emerge for some android devices, give Parsec a try for your Remote Desktop work. It differs from RDP, since over parsec you can actually use the Host PC's GPU.
There are some android tablets that have Windows 11 up and running: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaom...devices-that-can-run-Windows-11.604674.0.html