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I installed a task killer and noticed that when killing certain apps, the phone just lags real bad. I discontinued use of it and now the phone has no serious pausing. I was killing unknown apps with Android box icons.
heygrl said:
I installed a task killer and noticed that when killing certain apps, the phone just lags real bad. I discontinued use of it and now the phone has no serious pausing. I was killing unknown apps with Android box icons.
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yeah I uninstalled it as well. I heard Android does great job of managing ram and as soon as it gets low, it will start killing other apps automatically.
you need to learn what apps need to stay running, but some apps are just fluff and worthless... you may need to set up you task killer to ignore certain apps like handcent and clock... killing any android processes is usually a bad idea.. I just kill my 3rd party apps that open for no reason or use it to close apps when I am done using my phone for a while...
You should not need a task killer with this phone. Android has been managing its own memory and background services quite nicely for a while now.
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You should not need a task killer with this phone. Android has been managing its own memory and background services quite nicely for a while now.
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Thats what i was told but when i uninstalled the task killer my phone lagged with everything i did. Even when closing programs properly it still lagged. Im keeping my task killer.
acjames said:
Thats what i was told but when i uninstalled the task killer my phone lagged with everything i did. Even when closing programs properly it still lagged. Im keeping my task killer.
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yeah maybe its not as good as most people say it is at controlling its own memory usage.
Task Killers = meh,
Android has a way of doing things and that means keeping apps open for some time, I tried using app-killers and it did not seem to make my phones run better, and auto kill everything is even worse...
heygrl said:
I installed a task killer and noticed that when killing certain apps, the phone just lags real bad. I discontinued use of it and now the phone has no serious pausing. I was killing unknown apps with Android box icons.
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idk if youre rooted or not, or if this app works on the vibrant cuz it does an amazing job on the g1, but you could try autokiller, tho it requires root. what it does is change the android memory management settings and will kill apps more frequently depending on the settings you choose.
speedysilwady said:
idk if youre rooted or not, or if this app works on the vibrant cuz it does an amazing job on the g1, but you could try autokiller, tho it requires root. what it does is change the android memory management settings and will kill apps more frequently depending on the settings you choose.
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I still need to use it for those unruly apps but I got so used to it because my old phone would lag with Slacker even in the background and I had to kill it. I've stopped using it and I've stopped having major problems. Just an FYI for those out there that still use one, it's not needed here on a regular basis really.
I noticed that I can't use the "kill all" function in Advanced Task Manager by Arron La any more without making my phone freeze up. My brother suggestion Task Manager by Rhythm Software (he has a MyTouch Slide). This program doesn't give me any problems when killing files and also doesn't list system files (that I've noticed).
The people who are having problems with task killer are the ones that are not setting it up correctly or don't have enough apps installed for it to make any difference.
If you don't setup the ignore list correctly your phone will freak out or make your existing problem worse.
Android 2.2 is a different story though, Froyo is faster without a taskiller
Buddy here's what .....
Download AutoKiller from the market , then go to the dev's webpage ,there he has a lot of information about android and memory management .... then you can make an informed decision .... the lag issue you continue to have .,.,..., you might have to do a hard reset to clear the system of that poorly coded task/app killer ....
Here's some more information http://androidforums.com/samsung-vibrant/124542-constant-apps-restarting-themselves.html
I hope that here on xda we can help people to understand Android and memory management , so they are not fooled by these task/app killers that work against the system ......
heygrl said:
I still need to use it for those unruly apps but I got so used to it because my old phone would lag with Slacker even in the background and I had to kill it. I've stopped using it and I've stopped having major problems. Just an FYI for those out there that still use one, it's not needed here on a regular basis really.
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I used to have the original my touch 3g, lag central, even on custom roms. Task killer was handy, so I got in the Babbitt if killing tasks. I then got me a nexus, and it seemed to have not needed one, but I still used it out of the Babbitt and being paranoid of my plbattery being wasted with apps on the background and lag lol. Well, I'm now done with them, seriously, no need for task killers. I think on this phone it does more damage then good, most apps need to be running on the background, killing them just lags your phone. Like you'd lose signal, or it would run time and date update again, etc.
Task killers may not be necessary for memory management, but it will help save on battery by killing 3rd party apps that stay running in the background. I use Advanced Task Manager myself, and never get any lag when I run it. The main thing you need to "exclude" if you havnt already, is the TWLauncher(or whatever launcher you're running).
Okay so my battery life is amazing and this is not the reason for wanting to kill running apps. Sometimes I feel my phone getting a little sluggish (still pretty responsive tho) and after looking into this issue I found that I have so many third party apps that keep starting up and running in the background. I close them but they just keep coming back. I dont want to uninstall them because I use them often. I installed Advanced Task Killer to do the job but it only kills them and then they come back. Also I heard Task killers do more harm than good. Can anyone help me or give me some suggestions on how to stop these apps from constantly running? The built in task killer doesnt kill all the apps in the background. Hardly kills any of them. Just opened apps. Please help, this is really annoying me.
Unfortunately the only app I can think of that would be able to do what you need is an app called "Autostarts" and it requires root. So if you wanted to temp root your phone and purchase the app and set it up on every boot that's your best option.
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Unfortunately the only app I can think of that would be able to do what you need is an app called "Autostarts" and it requires root. So if you wanted to temp root your phone and purchase the app and set it up on every boot that's your best option.
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Ill root and check it out. Thanks.
I definitely recommend AutoStart as well. I have it running on my phone as we speak and, not only does it improve on the already impressive battery life, but it keeps apps from self-loading in the background due to certain conditions being met by the phone.
Okay I got it rooted and installed autostarts. Now I need to play around with it cuz it looks complicated. Any tips?
I was just wondering why is it a good idea to root ?
What do you guys do once you have rooted your phones ?
some people likes their phones as they are.
some people likes to make some changes to their phones, as fonts, battery indicator, delete some idle apps, make device a little bit faster and comfortable for everyday using
I do understand hacking phones, I even used to cook roms back in the day of the omnia 2 but I'm just wondering because I'm new to android, why or should we root the new ones ie, 2.3.3 2.3.4 and what benefits we can gain from it if we don't flash custom roms ?
Oh and I have just re rooted my neo by the way
The biggest benefit is most likely the ability to use Titanium Backup if you're not interested in all the tweaks and custom roms and themes.
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The biggest benefit is most likely the ability to use Titatanium Backup if you're not interested in all the tweaks and custom roms and themes.
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Ah thanks, is the free titanium on the market any good ?
The Pro version has far more features but yeah the Free version is good enough for a basic backup.
I personally rooted my phone so I can tweak it. I like using the V6 supercharger to alter minfrees and fix OOM-groupings. I also like playing Tegra games with Chainfire3D. My ROM is currently the SE TWEAKEDv0.5 and my Kernel is DooMLorD's (the new one by inteks) i'm on 283 because I don't like updating for no reason... oh and WifiKill (it requires root )
There's also a tool called ROM toolbox. SassiBoB reviewed it. It is quite similar to TB, but the free version offers more features.
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Ah sweet guys thanks I'll look into these.
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I was just wondering why is it a good idea to root ?
What do you guys do once you have rooted your phones ?
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Rooted apps I use:
Titanium Backup: backs up ANY app and app data, even system apps, and more importantly has the power to UNINSTALL ANY APP, even system apps.
EzBoot: reboot your phone quickly (turning it off, waiting and then turning it back on is so dumbphone-like).
Root Explorer: can access hidden system data files in internal memory.
Chainfire 3D: it's supposed to trick hi-end games into thinking your phone has a Tegra chip or simply downscales textures to improve performance, but I admit I'm yet to see a game that needs this.
Script Manager: needed to Supercharge your phone (just did that, I'm not sure if this actually improves performance.
Font Installer: yeah, I changed all fonts on my phone. And yeah, it's pretty useless.
AdFree: promises to block ads on the phone. I was led to believe this is supposed to block ads on all apps, but I notice it doesn't work on some annoying apps with very intrusive ads. It does work on most web pages when browsing the internet though.
FasterFix: it's supposed to get faster locks on GPS satellites. I'm yet to test it properly.
Before I rooted, the only thing I ever wanted with rooting the Xperia neo was definitely Titanium Backup (I can't stand the sight of demos of Let's Golf and Nova HD eating up space from my internal memory). Now I can count 8 rooted apps here. The thing is, phones should all come rooted, period. The user should be able to choose to give away root access on an app-by-app basis.
evilRafael said:
Rooted apps I use:
Titanium Backup: backs up ANY app and app data, even system apps, and more importantly has the power to UNINSTALL ANY APP, even system apps.
EzBoot: reboot your phone quickly (turning it off, waiting and then turning it back on is so dumbphone-like).
Root Explorer: can access hidden system data files in internal memory.
Chainfire 3D: it's supposed to trick hi-end games into thinking your phone has a Tegra chip or simply downscales textures to improve performance, but I admit I'm yet to see a game that needs this.
Script Manager: needed to Supercharge your phone (just did that, I'm not sure if this actually improves performance.
Font Installer: yeah, I changed all fonts on my phone. And yeah, it's pretty useless.
AdFree: promises to block ads on the phone. I was led to believe this is supposed to block ads on all apps, but I notice it doesn't work on some annoying apps with very intrusive ads. It does work on most web pages when browsing the internet though.
FasterFix: it's supposed to get faster locks on GPS satellites. I'm yet to test it properly.
Before I rooted, the only thing I ever wanted with rooting the Xperia neo was definitely Titanium Backup (I can't stand the sight of demos of Let's Golf and Nova HD eating up space from my internal memory). Now I can count 8 rooted apps here. The thing is, phones should all come rooted, period. The user should be able to choose to give away root access on an app-by-app basis.
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Thanks I'll have a look at these ones
I'll mention the most basic and useful thing you can do to a rooted Neo-uninstall all the bloatware that comes with the latest Neo firmware and free RAM. Those useless apps constantly occupy around 30mb of RAM and decrease performance. I for example don't want that intrusive Facebook app spread throughout the entire system running constantly.That,Titanium Backup and Ad Free are the major reasons to root for me.
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I'll mention the most basic and useful thing you can do to a rooted Neo-uninstall all the bloatware that comes with the latest Neo firmware and free RAM. Those useless apps constantly occupy around 30mb of RAM and decrease performance. I for example don't want that intrusive Facebook app spread throughout the entire system running constantly.That,Titanium Backup and Ad Free are the major reasons to root for me.
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Yeah, besides freeing RAM, it also frees my blood pressure. I can't stand the sight of demos of "Let's Golf" and "Nova" stuck in my phone.
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I'll mention the most basic and useful thing you can do to a rooted Neo-uninstall all the bloatware that comes with the latest Neo firmware and free RAM. Those useless apps constantly occupy around 30mb of RAM and decrease performance.
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I guess +100Mb is no problem to after cleaning
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I have kinda nooby question... i am using a phone with stock gingerbread and i am using an advanced task killer. I know a lot of people say that I shouldn't do it, but it just makes my phone a lot faster and smoother. As a noob, i have one question: is task killer really harmful to my phone and is it better for me to not use it? If you say yes, please provide me some specific reason why. Thank you ask much guys!
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its not that bad... but u should not kill background services!
keep settings on safe... don't use aggressive mode
applications u know u use often for example- browser or music player... u can add to excluded section... currently im using ZDBox and it works perfect... it also has additional features that you will need... hope this helps
I only use the ATK to kill an app that's not responding well.
For example, when I was using CM7, sometimes my Google Reader app would hang and display a loading symbol for a long time instead of displaying my articles, and the arrow that shows transmission over the network wasn't displaying so I knew it wasn't waiting on data, I would use ATK to kill ONLY Google Reader. Then I could go back into the app and it would load very quickly.
But since I switched to an ICS ROM, I haven't had that same issue and haven't had a need for ATK.
Also, do note that it does take processing power, and therefore battery power, when your phone decides to restart any of those apps you are killing, and it will restart apps.
For a great explanatory article, see here:
http://androidandme.com/2011/11/app...lers-still-dont-give-you-better-battery-life/
and also the links in the phrase "(see here, and here, and here)".
So in short, they are not exactly "harmful" but they don't provide any real benefit if you "kill everything, every time."
It is a common myth that more RAM = better performance, and this is a result of the market being dominated by Microsoft for so long. Android does not equal a desktop OS. Free RAM literally does nothing. In fact, it is wasteful to have bunch of free RAM. Android manages RAM very effectively and aggressively works to ensure that you have sufficient resources to do whatever it is you want to do. If you notice an increase in performance with a task killer, it is because you have a misbehaving app. Watchdog is the only task manager I would recommend, all it does is watch for apps that are using an abnormal amount of resources and alerts you. Part of the Android experience is the emulated multi-tasking, or having several apps saved to memory simultaneously to facilitate ease of switching between them. An app in the background will not affect the performance of your device, it is not using any resources. Aside from that, if you end a task, it will usually just start right up again, using more resources, because that is how Android is designed to work.
So, I would say finding the misbehaving app is a much better option than a task killer. They were important in eclair, maybe even FroYo. But anything above that they are unnecessary.
i dont really believe in android"s app managmentbut task killers make it only worst IMHO
I have to agree with member devator22.
Android is not Windows. Android is basically Linux and Linux is using a different memory management than Windows does. (Although Windows has got a lot of improvements during the last years)
RAM which isn't used, is wasted! That's a fact.
So, if you run a specific application, some of its data my be cached. Linux is reporting this as "buffered" (you can see the amount by running the 'top' command)
There might be a more or less big chance to hit this cache. If so, the data is loaded much faster ( definetly > 10 ) than if it had to be requested from the file system.
By killing your application by a task manger you are releasing this buffered resources (actually you are forcing the OS to release it). In the worst case you are wasting your advantage of loading already cached data from the RAM. In the best case you are gaining nothing because your device has to load it from the file system anyway.
(sorry for my english )
Get watchdog!
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Thank you so much for these replies! I really appreciate it! I decided to keep my task killer but not use it aggressively. I probably will use it to end apps that i really find it pointless. And also to the people who said android dies it's own task managing, you're right but wrong at the same time. When i didn't use my task killer, android did killed some apps in in order to launch more apps, but it left only like 10mb of 300mb, which i found little odd and also it mainly killed launchers which was very annoying.
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Task killer will speed up your phone if you know what you're doing. Only kill tasks that you are familiar with...e.g. apps that you know you have launched and won't be using anymore. Those apps running in the background can slow down your device.
If I'm on ICS, its better to use the bult-in task killer, or download one from the market?
Guys, he's not saying he does it for the memory. He says the phone's smoother. I don't know whether this is true, but if there are background tasks performing operations that he doesn't want them to do, it's *absolutely appropriate* to kill them.
The flip side of that is that the applications will eventually be automatically started again, and that startup takes extra CPU time. As long as the process startup and process killing happens when the screen is off, I would think this could improve the responsiveness.
But I think on most people's phones, the background processes really don't use a lot of CPU...
I know by default even Gbs memory management isn't the best. The app priorities are a bit weird aand the launcher gets killed to easily. Running the v6 supercharger scripts and making the launcher hard to kill and fixing the priorities and changing the oom settings makes any from wicked fast
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I am not rooted, so I can't do anything that involves rooting.
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Instead of killing an app over and over again install something like Gemini App Manager and disable the app's autostart permissions. For example, dropbox and dropbox sync are set to automatically start at boot or when there's a connectivity change. I understand why they're set to do that but for my purposes I only needed them to start when I actually used them.
Having said that, I no longer use Gemini and have never used an automatic task killer. I think android (ICS) does a good enough job managing it's memory that I don't need to be anal about micromanaging it myself. I think it also helps that I'm not an appaholic. I'm very picky about what I install and will only keep an app installed if I regularly use it.
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Jinx Lumos Joke said:
If I'm on ICS, its better to use the bult-in task killer, or download one from the market?
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Built-In is much better
im on ics on my captivate and it runs beyond smooth
like stated before having free RAM with not do anything
android has a good way of muti tasking
I have not explored this and am wondering if I did this, would I notice any performance increase? My tablet isn't sluggish by any means despite Sense being what it is.
Is this something worth looking into? And more importantly, if it is, what exactly is worth freezing on the Jetstream? OR how do I go about just deleting these apps without crashing my device? I usually rely on ROMs from Devs to do these things, but being rooted, we have the ability to delete and freeze the Apps, yea?
Apps I have in mind for freezing/deleting are:
Gameloft, ATT branded bloatware, HTC Likes, HTC Hub, Featured Apps, Kid Mode, Lets Golf, Need for Speed, HTC Watch (is a hog, for some reason), Snapbooth, Teeter, YPMobile, and zinio.
Thanks guys. Hopefully this helps others as well.
i just recently installed go launcher, trying to get the device running smoother. the launcher itself isn't quicker, but he does have some pros.
one of them is the task manager widget that shows you which apps are running in the background.
i found out that google+, htc people, and some other apps are starting spontaneously, without me ever using them.
so try installing a task manager widget, and follow your background processes
interesting. I don't use g+. I will just uninstall it.
How about freezing or removing sys apps?
i froze them using titanium. no issues caused so far..
about system apps - i'm running diablo v1.2 so alot was removed already..and according to the widget non of them pop up..
guru_shastri said:
i just recently installed go launcher, trying to get the device running smoother. the launcher itself isn't quicker, but he does have some pros.
one of them is the task manager widget that shows you which apps are running in the background.
i found out that google+, htc people, and some other apps are starting spontaneously, without me ever using them.
so try installing a task manager widget, and follow your background processes
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I noticed something similar. I use an app called Rom Toolbox. It displays all the processes that start up with system boot. Many such as facebook, google + and a host of other things, I do not use regularly. So i just disabled the auto-start of those services using ROM Toolbox and it doesn't autorun now. Don't know how effective it is, but when I do check the running apps section under manage applications in settings, I do not see the unnecessary apps running and the memory freed up is more as compared to prior disabling. However I haven't noticed much of a difference in my daily usage of the rom hence don't know how effective it is.
I also use Quick System Information Pro. It has a task clearer widget which I find extremely useful and effective. Whenever I feel that my tab is working a bit slow, I just press on the widget icon and it clears up in the range of 200-300 MB of ram thereby preventing slow down of the tab. It does work with non-Sense launchers as well such as Go Launcher HD.
Using Titanium I uninstalled a lot of the bloatware and froze Sense. Cleared the cache and dalvik using CMW, and things have been working fine up to now. Performance-wise, no lagging and everything seems to run fine. Only kept Google's stock apps like maps and stuff, even though I don't use them.
Also note that I backed up everything I uninstalled just in case, so everything's dandy. Oh, and I reverted back to the stock kernel a while back (still rooted, though).
Quick question, if I clear the cache manually or dalvik through Titanium, does it do the same thing CMW does? It should work the same way and only need a restart, right?
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Quick question, if I clear the cache manually or dalvik through Titanium, does it do the same thing CMW does? It should work the same way and only need a restart, right?
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Yup!
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i froze quite alot of HTCs crap on this, and the more i freeze the better it gets.
been working with it for a few weeks and without the sense its more stable.
guru_shastri said:
i froze quite alot of HTCs crap on this, and the more i freeze the better it gets.
been working with it for a few weeks and without the sense its more stable.
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I Froze all the AT&T/HTC Bloatware, however I continue to have FREEZING problems with the YouTube (even after uninstalling the Upgrade).
My work around is to use the YouTube on the stock Browser.
Hope a Permanent FIX for the YouTube app comes sooner than later