About a month or so ago, I finally hit the end of my patience and stopped waiting for T-Mo to put out the update. I flashed to the Obsidian 4.2 ROM. I noticed massively increased idling battery life, better performance and an all-around nicer experience. It also gave me easy tethering options included, among other functionality. It also lost me a little stability, but I'm relatively OK with that.
This post is not about my flashing experiences. This post is a question shouted out to those of us lucky or skillful enough to have had a chance to play with leaked ROMs for the new official update. What should we expect from this update in terms of performance and functionality? Still better battery life and performance? Still fully accessible Android built-in functionalities like tethering? Should those of us who flashed to something undo it and go with the official or stay with what we've got?
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No one can answer what comes tomorrow until tomorrow - it will all be speculation at this point.
My speculation though is that it won't likely be anything we haven't already been leaked.
I expect my phone to make breakfast in the morning. a nice sandwich for lunch and a bomb roast beef for dinner.
Honestly, if you do go back to stock to get the official OTA, I bet you'll come back to the leaked ones.
The leaked ROM's aren't just Froyo on our phones, they are also modified and tweaked the heck out of them! lol.
So maybe once they get the source THEN we could see even better tweaked ROMS from these great devs.
I expect KA6.
I don't expect the kernel source, but I do expect KA6 due to the bootloader presence.
I expect promises of 2.3 coming "soon", probably some large amount of time after 2.4 or honeycomb comes out.
I expect this to be the last release update for the vibrant and sammie to move on to new hardware endeavors. Vibrant represents no additional revenue.
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smeadow said:
I expect this to be the last release update for the vibrant and sammie to move on to new hardware endeavors. Vibrant represents no additional revenue.
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This is probably true.
The incoming Vibrant 4G probably will have Gingerbread update.
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I expect promises of 2.3 coming "soon", probably some large amount of time after 2.4 or honeycomb comes out.[/QUOT
+1 The only change I would make is a very very very very very large amount of time!!!!!
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Assuming Sony Ericsson's UK Twitterer can be trusted, that is
@KOR_9S We can only confirm that the upgrade to Android 2.1 is due for release before the end of September this year. We hope this helps.
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Brilliant news, fingers crossed !
Great, nice notice
great one.
I am really looking forward to it.
hopes it brings some extra options for camera.......
I hate the simple interface
Nice to see a bit of communication
will the mini/pro get live wallpaper support or only big brother?
Ahh finally let's bring it on
What will this actually bring that the 1.6 doesn't already? is it going to be something massive or just small updates through-out the software?
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What will this actually bring that the 1.6 doesn't already? is it going to be something massive or just small updates through-out the software?
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Faster, support more apps and that i hope live wallpapers
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hopefully this will solve the rubbish battery life...
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What will this actually bring that the 1.6 doesn't already? is it going to be something massive or just small updates through-out the software?
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Multi-touch?
Please don't mention the war
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Multi-touch?
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Time Out for you my friend!
Why even mention MT when you know it's likely to create a flaming war. I think mods should impose a 3 day ban on anyone using the words "mulit-touch" , "Flash" and "2.1/2.2 update" in an X10 forum.
2.1 update
I think this excitement and anticipation of the 2.1 update is going to followed by an almighty disappointing sinking feeling when we actually get it. Then a huge clamour for the 2.2 update will surely begin. It all really hangs in the balance as to what SE do with this update. If they compensate for 2.2 then users might be happy but I really doubt that 2.1 will suffice for most when all other new phones will spot 2.2(flash support, wifi tethering and all the rest). I think this anticipation has more to do with frustration with having 1.6 rather than optimism for 2.1. We wait to see how events unfold with interest.
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I think this excitement and anticipation of the 2.1 update is going to followed by an almighty disappointing sinking feeling when we actually get it. Then a huge clamour for the 2.2 update will surely begin. It all really hangs in the balance as to what SE do with this update. If they compensate for 2.2 then users might be happy but I really doubt that 2.1 will suffice for most when all other new phones will spot 2.2(flash support, wifi tethering and all the rest). I think this anticipation has more to do with frustration with having 1.6 rather than optimism for 2.1. We wait to see how events unfold with interest.
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Just wrote what I was thinking. I don't think SE will give us anything exceptional in 2.1 and all excitement will dampen and converted to frustration. Anyway, the phone is not bad - doing well with 1.6 - hope it will do better with 2.1.
The problem is with ever increasing mobile models with new features, OS, new hardwares teasing us and making our anticipation high from our existing device. Next we are frustrated when we see all new models with improved specs around us and go and buy another one when the old mobile is still perfect to do another one-two years. What a way to waste money!! In last one & half year I myself have bought three mobiles (total amounting to 65000.00 INR equivalent to 1200-130 USD which is quite high as per Indian standards) including this SE X10 mini and all the mobiles are infact perfectly OK and lying unused.
Don't stress guys. With any luck we'll have cyanogen mod 6 (a custom rom running 2.2) on our handsets shortly. This should negate the need to update the phone, even though most users won't be able to resist the temptation of a new rom running 2.1. Just remember, if you update you destroy the root and essentially ruin any chance of installing custom firmware. Personally I'll abstain from updating until we have a clearer picture of what XDA developers can achieve.
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Don't stress guys. With any luck we'll have cyanogen mod 6 (a custom rom running 2.2) on our handsets shortly. This should negate the need to update the phone, even though most users won't be able to resist the temptation of a new rom running 2.1. Just remember, if you update you destroy the root and essentially ruin any chance of installing custom firmware. Personally I'll abstain from updating until we have a clearer picture of what XDA developers can achieve.
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Any news on CM6 on our handsets? Or are you just speculating?
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I am speculating, but at the same time developers are very close.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=726813&page=27 (Unless you are a developer don't ask them newb questions because they won't reply and your post will be deleted immediately)
why bother wasting people and resources to give us 2.1 and not 2.2 is it a matter of se giving more money to google for 2.2. will this be our last update or when the 3 version comes out we might get another update?
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why bother wasting people and resources to give us 2.1 and not 2.2 is it a matter of se giving more money to google for 2.2. will this be our last update or when the 3 version comes out we might get another update?
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Let´s get an update to 2.1 first. So far it all is just promises.
For anyone who hasn't seen it yet
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=778790
I ask because I know there are supposedly a lot of fixes and updates coming, but the ROM development is pretty sweet right now (great battery life plus debloated ROMs). With the OTA supposedly coming in the next month or so, is there a benefit to wait until after that or will ROM dev have that update early anyway?
I had the original Droid for over a year and was always rooted, but after the 2.2 update it wasn't really necessary to worry about OTA's and such. Since the OTA for the Bolt is coming soon, I am just curious if waiting till then is worthwhile.
I wouldnt say so, the developers will tear it apart and update their roms and kernals to reflect improvements in the OTA's
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I wouldnt say so, the developers will tear it apart and update their roms and kernals to reflect improvements in the OTA's
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Usually these things get leaked early which is why I was wondering.
Edit: with over 600 views, it is sad we only have 20 votes! Vote and let others see who is using what, and what the demand is!
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Development for the vibrant right now seems to be directed by the devs, but in the real world supply and demand is an important concept. Are devs focusing on the builds that are in most demand, or are users using what the devs are building because it is all that is being worked on?
I have a feeling that a comparable amount of people use some sort of custom Froyo and are not willing to go to gingerbread as there are who are continuously using gingerbread. If this is the case then perhaps the devs can use that feedback in some way. In any case it should give us an idea of the current condition of supply and demand.
The idea here is to give feedback to devs that show them that their work is being appreciated, or what they could do that may be the most appreciated. The poll is basic, posts are welcome if they contain useful feedback.
Sorry if this seems erroneous, but even if one developer(or fellow user) finds this to be remotely useful/interesting then it is worthwhile.
I myself am going to use froyo based roms until gingerbread roms are more overall stable and functional, however I almost feel forced to use gingerbread roms since they are primarily what is still being maintained or upgraded. I want the newest features, functions, and tweaks, and since froyo seems to have been nearly forgotten I am not sure what to do. Ultimately this makes me want a new phone that doesn't have this issue.
Froyo, same reasons as you said.
Gingerbread it's way nicer imo haha.
Froyo.
Ginger just doesn't feel complete yet.
Gingerbread... CM7, Trigger and MIUI. They seem to play nicest with my phone
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Gingerbread... CM7, Trigger and MIUI. They seem to play nicest with my phone
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Thats all there is AOSP wise...not sure what your trying to imply or your saying TW GB ROM's don't work that well for you...Malice ran great for me, but I'm back in school and need my batter :/
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Thats all there is AOSP wise...not sure what your trying to imply or your saying TW GB ROM's don't work that well for you...Malice ran great for me, but I'm back in school and need my batter :/
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I'm in college, so over the summer when I didn't have much going on and a charger was always nearby, trying different ginger-roms was fine. Now that I am on campus for extended periods without a charger, I cannot use a rom that will kill more than half my battery in 6-8 hours. If everything worked right, maybe.. but considering an entire summer not being able to get something as simple as GPS working, I would not trade it MUCH improved battery life for less than normal functionality.
I was considering getting a hercules(intl version has many hardware improvements and superior battery with gingerbread), but since it will probably have similar problems(manufacturer wise, no source, mostly forgotten after launch) as the vibrant I would rather go with the prime. But if the prime doesn't go t-mobile than that isn't an option. Which leaves me with hoping that the gingerbread source comes out(for devs to work with), or the devs will make leaps with the ginger code, or that at least a few might work on froyo code..
With so many tweaks and custom apps(like hacked camera) that have come out since most froyo roms fell into neglect, I really want one or the other. If the prime comes out and I can get a tmo version, great.. otherwise I just feel screwed/forgotten.
I feel like the only updated froyo roms are being worked on by devs that don't really have it going on yet, and they only use froyo as a stepping stone.. I wish there were a thread in development section that explained to ALL devs what needs to go into every rom as a minimum(or what tweaks work with which roms, etc).
I won't switch off tmobile, I don't like them as a company, but no other is ACTUALLY better, but they all charge far more. Every situation seems lose/lose the more I think about it.
Bump because I think the results are interesting so far.
Im on gb because the speed boost was just so astronomical... particularly cm7... id appreciate dev on vibrantmtd more than others but i think that the best dev community is one where there is variety so:
Ideally, id perfer to see eclair, froyo, gb and honeycomb roms, as well as wp7 and ubuntu and ios lol. This is my dream.
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I'm also on froyo for the same basic reasons already said. I would love to see the different build prop tweaks, supercharger scripts, gps tweaks, and other customizations built into them as a standard. OnlyToxic8, Dmz nightly and zendroid are the only roms with those tweaks baked into them. I'd love more options.
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9 people either stock or froyo, 1 who is proud of him cm7. I read a ton of posts about how people have cm7 and are totally happy, so it looks like they need to do some voting
We need more people to participate to get a better overall look at the statistics.. several hundred people looked at the thread, but few votes? It only takes 2 clicks to vote..
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Im loving MIUI revamped nick and t. Hill are great in both the rom they provide and support can't be beat.
Stock deodexed and rooted KB5.
I've given up on Vibrant.
I'm getting a new phone. Seriously thinking about iPhone 5. I know, I know.
But I just want a phone that works, and Vibrant has been my 3rd Android phone with problems, constant freezing, and other random issues. Vibrant was probably my worst tech purchase ever. Can't wait to get rid of this crap.
I want the Nexus Prime, but the problem is that it is manufactured by Samsung, and I swore to myself I wouldn't purchase another Samsung product. Then again it's guaranteed to get Google updates. Ahhhh I don't know.
I'm also ditching T-Mobile most likely. I have a feeling they have a hand in Samsung never releasing/leaking Gingerbread on Vibrant.
If we had Gingerbread leaked, the phone would be good probably for another 6 months-1yr.
I just flashed my first Gingerbread ROM (Asgard) and I have to say I prefer Gingerbread.
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Miui revamped by nick and Tory is amazing and they are extremely active in their forum IMO Miui runs much better on my phone than any custom froyo ROM
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miui, the customization and tweaking abilities topped with weekly updates and wip gps meet all my requirements quick reboot (10 seconds) means my wip gps is up and going in no time
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miui, the customization and tweaking abilities topped with weekly updates and wip gps meet all my requirements quick reboot (10 seconds) means my wip gps is up and going in no time
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What's "wip gps?"
I'm on a gingerbread rom on my vibrant now. They have definately become stable enough in my opinion. I am running Biff mod which even does not need to be reset to stock or loaded with GB bootloaders making it even easier now. I think the battery offput on GB roms is still there and feels lacking in my opinion but its worth the upgrade in my opinion. Currently on 2.3.5 and wouldn't go back to froyo now.
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What's "wip gps?"
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so 70% stock/froyo and 30% using gb/happy with it.. but the numbers are too small to be a good sample of the population.
Bump because we need more votes for accuracy!
http://androidos.in/2012/01/htc-sense-3-6-sensation-ics/
Makes me kind of sad... although I am really looking forwards towards a "sense-less" ICS MOD.
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Makes me kind of sad... although I am really looking forwards towards a "sense-less" ICS MOD.
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I don't think that it'll be too much longer.
Hopefully.
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I don't think that it'll be too much longer.
Hopefully.
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no me neither, hopefully!!!1 One thing HTC has over samsung is releasing updates fast...my brothers vibrant took months and months to go from eclair to froyo!!!
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no me neither, hopefully!!!1 One thing HTC has over samsung is releasing updates fast...my brothers vibrant took months and months to go from eclair to froyo!!!
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I also have the Vibrant and you're right... Samsung does not like releasing updates. I think they have a 1 major update per device cap or something.
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I also have the Vibrant and you're right... Samsung does not like releasing updates. I think they have a 1 major update per device cap or something.
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ya but they have the advantage of being more dev friendly!!! I'm very surprised given the history of HTC, they were basically making phones before any of these guys showed up. and yet there are always problems with their dev community...and make it much harder for the developers to work! I still don't think my brother has gingerbread!
makes me miss my sensation even more,,
I got the ICS update for my WiFi Motorola Xoom middle of last week. The OTA came out about 2 weeks after posts about its testing by a smaller group started popping-up on XDA.
However there are a few big differences here:
1) The Xoom was already on Honeycomb which is a lot closer to ICS than Gingerbread. Hopefully the Galaxy Nexus has developers already working on ICS compatibility. When I first got my Honeycomb tablet a year ago lots of applications had major problems on the new OS.
2) The Xoom is a Google Experience device so no manufacturer overlay to add complexity to the testing.
3) The WiFi Xooms are not tied to a wireless carrier.
My guess is these things are going to increase the test time. Hopefully not by too much. My first guess is a month - really depends on the quality of the early releases.
I thought I read somewhere that the update will be coming in February. But once it's out, and HTC is nice enough to release the stock rom, then we will start seeing stock ics roms with everything working.
HTC will always put Sense on all their roms.
Pretty sure ICS for the Amaze will have Sense, which isn't that bad. I think there are some decent widgets for Sense 3.6.
I hope with sense they won't force us to have that google search bar at the top of our screens
I haven't seen ICS released for the bolt yet so why are we closing the threads saying it's released? As far as I can tell, it's still just vaporware officially.
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I haven't seen ICS released for the bolt yet so why are we closing the threads saying it's released? As far as I can tell, it's still just vaporware officially.
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If you're referring to the "HTC thunderbolt ICS update testing in final stages..." thread, i have to believe that it was closed due to a number of "off topic posts" and because the thread itself was based on hearsay instead of verifiable evidence...
If you are curious about the locking of newt's one xxx rom thread (a shame, newt and his rom are awesome), it's because the rom contains cd suite tools... See link below for more on that...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1758154
Fair enough.
I do wonder if the bolt will ever see the update officially though. It makes me sad that it didn't get gingerbread until it had been out a full year, even though the Thunderbolt was released like 6 months after Gingerbread. It's like a repeat of history here with ICS.
Personally, I don't see how HTC and Verizon can provide support like this. For me, it's not a matter of whether ics is better than gingerbread or not (well I guess it kind of is). The way I see it though is if you buy a pc or laptop, I don't think people would except not getting the latest updates for at least the 2 years we are under contract for like with phones.
All that being said, my phone still works pretty good, but HTC and Verizon will not be involved with my next phone in March.
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Fair enough.
I do wonder if the bolt will ever see the update officially though.
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it's doubtful. i believe HTC when they say that VZW has the finished update. IMO, the thunderbolt was pushed out prematurely to be the first on the market with 4G LTE. the unique RIL of the bolt has proven to be a mess, and has likely complicated the update process. VZW is the end party responsible for the continuing availability of their services to users and devices that subscribe to them. Serious concerns VZW may have about diminished functionality or overall stability on thunderbolts as a result of pushing the ICS update, especially for stock users (that wouldn't be able to modify or revert a bad ICS update pushed to their devices) may have stopped the thunderbolt's ICS update at VZW's gates altogether.
Personally, I don't see how HTC and Verizon can provide support like this. HTC and Verizon will not be involved with my next phone in March.
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yes. the best thing to do is to take your money elsewhere if you're dissatisfied. the only vote that matters to VZW is that made by the consumer dollar.
The ICS discussion thread you are referring to was closed due to a lot of off-topic posts. The thread had been cleaned in the past, but it seems like it didn't help.
That's why the thread got closed.
Cheers,
YZ.
The other thread was closed by a clueless mod, who claimed that ICS had been released! Go figure. The thread was also being actively trolled, but that wasn't given as a reason for closing it.
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The other thread was closed by a clueless mod, who claimed that ICS had been released! Go figure. The thread was also being actively trolled, but that wasn't given as a reason for closing it.
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It has been released. There are like 4 versions.
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The other thread was closed by a clueless mod, who claimed that ICS had been released! Go figure. The thread was also being actively trolled, but that wasn't given as a reason for closing it.
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Yes, my apologies. People make mistakes.
Lets continue with our lives, and stop spamming the boards with this little issue.
Cheers,
YZ.
Even though HTC might finish it but there's no incentive for Verizon to authorize it since they rather lock you in with another 2-year contract then provide ICS and let you be contract free.
They will not be locking me in to any kind of new contract.
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I'm starting to think they are having the same problems the devs were with ics and the ril along with the camera. I'm guessing Jester and liquid figured some of them out first.
I really have no idea
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I'm starting to think they are having the same problems the devs were with ics and the ril along with the camera. I'm guessing Jester and liquid figured some of them out first.
I really have no idea
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I keep seeing people mention, that maybe they(HTC) are having issues with the camera or the Ril.
To be honest, the Ril could still be causing them grief, but not the camera.
I understand that the AOSP hacked-together roms have broken camera functionality and poor image quality.
However, that does not eliminate the fact that the camera works just fine in the Sense based ICS leak for our device.
So I find it hard to believe and even impossible that the camera would be what's holding things up.
It works in the Sense 3.6 leaked rom, as well as the custom rom I made from it.
Maybe folks don't even realize that there actually is functional ICS for our devices.
Does it have the best battery life going? Probably not!
Does my rom give ME better battery life then the AOSP ICS rom that everyone is using? It absolutely does!
I finally loaded the AOSP rom for the first time the other day and along with a broken camera, slow data, drops, overheating, 3 hours of battery life, and reboots, I came to the conclusion that the sense based roms are actually much better right now, in my honest opinion.
I know many say it has lag, it's bloated, it's slow, blah blah blah....Well everything works and a few milliseconds in response time isn't enough for me to choose semi-functional over fully functional.
Just my 2 cents....as I don't understand what everyone is still waiting for.
The only thing I could care about at this point from HTC, would be kernel source, period.
To each his own though.
I like to use my camera and don't feel like using my phone as a pocket warmer, while pretending everything is working great!
Bottom line I guess: The camera has absolutely nothing to do with the delayed ICS release.
HTC has no trouble making the camera work.
I agree. Nusense is awesome. I've never seen the point of running custom roms that don't at least have all the basic functions of the stock experience working, (besides maybe to help a custom rom developer to identify bugs/improve the rom) I.E., calls, camera, camcorder, data, wifi, calls, SMS, mms, etc. I appreciate all of our developers, past and present, but nusense is where it's at right now for ICS.
I would like to say and question at the same time...isn't the switch to ICS is a big change. Mainly the CPU/GPU driver for simultaneous use. This change for the thunderbolt is a huge battery drain from my opinion and one of the only reason HTC may be looking away from releasing an update to ICS. AND I think, as a final thought, it's no coincidence the kernel is not available. Bottom line, I love this phone, I like some sense features that Aosp doesn't but every gingerbread and ics Rom with sense have been battery hogs getting 12 hours of low low use. Maybe 1 hour of display and rest idle and radio standby. AOSP seems to be the best for this phone. if anyone can get remotely close to an aosp build in ics with our without sense is love to see it.
I have the rezound battery and under volted with liquid 3.2 gingerbread.
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I would like to say and question at the same time...isn't the switch to ICS is a big change. Mainly the CPU/GPU driver for simultaneous use. This change for the thunderbolt is a huge battery drain from my opinion and one of the only reason HTC may be looking away from releasing an update to ICS. AND I think, as a final thought, it's no coincidence the kernel is not available. Bottom line, I love this phone, I like some sense features that Aosp doesn't but every gingerbread and ics Rom with sense have been battery hogs getting 12 hours of low low use. Maybe 1 hour of display and rest idle and radio standby. AOSP seems to be the best for this phone. if anyone can get remotely close to an aosp build in ics with our without sense is love to see it.
I have the rezound battery and under volted with liquid 3.2 gingerbread.
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With aosp ICS I get pretty much the same battery life I got with aosp gb so I don't know why people aren't getting the same results. As for sense nusense is a great ICS ROM. It is far better than that crap leak that was released. Yea the battery life isn't what it should be considering the kernel in the leak isn't a finished product but at least everything works. In my experience with infected eternity I could get around 17 hours with a rezound battery which is almost better than some of the aosp ROMs I ran on both GB and ICS.
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