I haven't seen ICS released for the bolt yet so why are we closing the threads saying it's released? As far as I can tell, it's still just vaporware officially.
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I haven't seen ICS released for the bolt yet so why are we closing the threads saying it's released? As far as I can tell, it's still just vaporware officially.
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If you're referring to the "HTC thunderbolt ICS update testing in final stages..." thread, i have to believe that it was closed due to a number of "off topic posts" and because the thread itself was based on hearsay instead of verifiable evidence...
If you are curious about the locking of newt's one xxx rom thread (a shame, newt and his rom are awesome), it's because the rom contains cd suite tools... See link below for more on that...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1758154
Fair enough.
I do wonder if the bolt will ever see the update officially though. It makes me sad that it didn't get gingerbread until it had been out a full year, even though the Thunderbolt was released like 6 months after Gingerbread. It's like a repeat of history here with ICS.
Personally, I don't see how HTC and Verizon can provide support like this. For me, it's not a matter of whether ics is better than gingerbread or not (well I guess it kind of is). The way I see it though is if you buy a pc or laptop, I don't think people would except not getting the latest updates for at least the 2 years we are under contract for like with phones.
All that being said, my phone still works pretty good, but HTC and Verizon will not be involved with my next phone in March.
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Fair enough.
I do wonder if the bolt will ever see the update officially though.
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it's doubtful. i believe HTC when they say that VZW has the finished update. IMO, the thunderbolt was pushed out prematurely to be the first on the market with 4G LTE. the unique RIL of the bolt has proven to be a mess, and has likely complicated the update process. VZW is the end party responsible for the continuing availability of their services to users and devices that subscribe to them. Serious concerns VZW may have about diminished functionality or overall stability on thunderbolts as a result of pushing the ICS update, especially for stock users (that wouldn't be able to modify or revert a bad ICS update pushed to their devices) may have stopped the thunderbolt's ICS update at VZW's gates altogether.
Personally, I don't see how HTC and Verizon can provide support like this. HTC and Verizon will not be involved with my next phone in March.
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yes. the best thing to do is to take your money elsewhere if you're dissatisfied. the only vote that matters to VZW is that made by the consumer dollar.
The ICS discussion thread you are referring to was closed due to a lot of off-topic posts. The thread had been cleaned in the past, but it seems like it didn't help.
That's why the thread got closed.
Cheers,
YZ.
The other thread was closed by a clueless mod, who claimed that ICS had been released! Go figure. The thread was also being actively trolled, but that wasn't given as a reason for closing it.
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The other thread was closed by a clueless mod, who claimed that ICS had been released! Go figure. The thread was also being actively trolled, but that wasn't given as a reason for closing it.
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It has been released. There are like 4 versions.
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mike.s said:
The other thread was closed by a clueless mod, who claimed that ICS had been released! Go figure. The thread was also being actively trolled, but that wasn't given as a reason for closing it.
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Yes, my apologies. People make mistakes.
Lets continue with our lives, and stop spamming the boards with this little issue.
Cheers,
YZ.
Even though HTC might finish it but there's no incentive for Verizon to authorize it since they rather lock you in with another 2-year contract then provide ICS and let you be contract free.
They will not be locking me in to any kind of new contract.
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I'm starting to think they are having the same problems the devs were with ics and the ril along with the camera. I'm guessing Jester and liquid figured some of them out first.
I really have no idea
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I'm starting to think they are having the same problems the devs were with ics and the ril along with the camera. I'm guessing Jester and liquid figured some of them out first.
I really have no idea
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I keep seeing people mention, that maybe they(HTC) are having issues with the camera or the Ril.
To be honest, the Ril could still be causing them grief, but not the camera.
I understand that the AOSP hacked-together roms have broken camera functionality and poor image quality.
However, that does not eliminate the fact that the camera works just fine in the Sense based ICS leak for our device.
So I find it hard to believe and even impossible that the camera would be what's holding things up.
It works in the Sense 3.6 leaked rom, as well as the custom rom I made from it.
Maybe folks don't even realize that there actually is functional ICS for our devices.
Does it have the best battery life going? Probably not!
Does my rom give ME better battery life then the AOSP ICS rom that everyone is using? It absolutely does!
I finally loaded the AOSP rom for the first time the other day and along with a broken camera, slow data, drops, overheating, 3 hours of battery life, and reboots, I came to the conclusion that the sense based roms are actually much better right now, in my honest opinion.
I know many say it has lag, it's bloated, it's slow, blah blah blah....Well everything works and a few milliseconds in response time isn't enough for me to choose semi-functional over fully functional.
Just my 2 cents....as I don't understand what everyone is still waiting for.
The only thing I could care about at this point from HTC, would be kernel source, period.
To each his own though.
I like to use my camera and don't feel like using my phone as a pocket warmer, while pretending everything is working great!
Bottom line I guess: The camera has absolutely nothing to do with the delayed ICS release.
HTC has no trouble making the camera work.
I agree. Nusense is awesome. I've never seen the point of running custom roms that don't at least have all the basic functions of the stock experience working, (besides maybe to help a custom rom developer to identify bugs/improve the rom) I.E., calls, camera, camcorder, data, wifi, calls, SMS, mms, etc. I appreciate all of our developers, past and present, but nusense is where it's at right now for ICS.
I would like to say and question at the same time...isn't the switch to ICS is a big change. Mainly the CPU/GPU driver for simultaneous use. This change for the thunderbolt is a huge battery drain from my opinion and one of the only reason HTC may be looking away from releasing an update to ICS. AND I think, as a final thought, it's no coincidence the kernel is not available. Bottom line, I love this phone, I like some sense features that Aosp doesn't but every gingerbread and ics Rom with sense have been battery hogs getting 12 hours of low low use. Maybe 1 hour of display and rest idle and radio standby. AOSP seems to be the best for this phone. if anyone can get remotely close to an aosp build in ics with our without sense is love to see it.
I have the rezound battery and under volted with liquid 3.2 gingerbread.
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I would like to say and question at the same time...isn't the switch to ICS is a big change. Mainly the CPU/GPU driver for simultaneous use. This change for the thunderbolt is a huge battery drain from my opinion and one of the only reason HTC may be looking away from releasing an update to ICS. AND I think, as a final thought, it's no coincidence the kernel is not available. Bottom line, I love this phone, I like some sense features that Aosp doesn't but every gingerbread and ics Rom with sense have been battery hogs getting 12 hours of low low use. Maybe 1 hour of display and rest idle and radio standby. AOSP seems to be the best for this phone. if anyone can get remotely close to an aosp build in ics with our without sense is love to see it.
I have the rezound battery and under volted with liquid 3.2 gingerbread.
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With aosp ICS I get pretty much the same battery life I got with aosp gb so I don't know why people aren't getting the same results. As for sense nusense is a great ICS ROM. It is far better than that crap leak that was released. Yea the battery life isn't what it should be considering the kernel in the leak isn't a finished product but at least everything works. In my experience with infected eternity I could get around 17 hours with a rezound battery which is almost better than some of the aosp ROMs I ran on both GB and ICS.
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Edit: with over 600 views, it is sad we only have 20 votes! Vote and let others see who is using what, and what the demand is!
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Development for the vibrant right now seems to be directed by the devs, but in the real world supply and demand is an important concept. Are devs focusing on the builds that are in most demand, or are users using what the devs are building because it is all that is being worked on?
I have a feeling that a comparable amount of people use some sort of custom Froyo and are not willing to go to gingerbread as there are who are continuously using gingerbread. If this is the case then perhaps the devs can use that feedback in some way. In any case it should give us an idea of the current condition of supply and demand.
The idea here is to give feedback to devs that show them that their work is being appreciated, or what they could do that may be the most appreciated. The poll is basic, posts are welcome if they contain useful feedback.
Sorry if this seems erroneous, but even if one developer(or fellow user) finds this to be remotely useful/interesting then it is worthwhile.
I myself am going to use froyo based roms until gingerbread roms are more overall stable and functional, however I almost feel forced to use gingerbread roms since they are primarily what is still being maintained or upgraded. I want the newest features, functions, and tweaks, and since froyo seems to have been nearly forgotten I am not sure what to do. Ultimately this makes me want a new phone that doesn't have this issue.
Froyo, same reasons as you said.
Gingerbread it's way nicer imo haha.
Froyo.
Ginger just doesn't feel complete yet.
Gingerbread... CM7, Trigger and MIUI. They seem to play nicest with my phone
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Gingerbread... CM7, Trigger and MIUI. They seem to play nicest with my phone
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Thats all there is AOSP wise...not sure what your trying to imply or your saying TW GB ROM's don't work that well for you...Malice ran great for me, but I'm back in school and need my batter :/
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Thats all there is AOSP wise...not sure what your trying to imply or your saying TW GB ROM's don't work that well for you...Malice ran great for me, but I'm back in school and need my batter :/
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I'm in college, so over the summer when I didn't have much going on and a charger was always nearby, trying different ginger-roms was fine. Now that I am on campus for extended periods without a charger, I cannot use a rom that will kill more than half my battery in 6-8 hours. If everything worked right, maybe.. but considering an entire summer not being able to get something as simple as GPS working, I would not trade it MUCH improved battery life for less than normal functionality.
I was considering getting a hercules(intl version has many hardware improvements and superior battery with gingerbread), but since it will probably have similar problems(manufacturer wise, no source, mostly forgotten after launch) as the vibrant I would rather go with the prime. But if the prime doesn't go t-mobile than that isn't an option. Which leaves me with hoping that the gingerbread source comes out(for devs to work with), or the devs will make leaps with the ginger code, or that at least a few might work on froyo code..
With so many tweaks and custom apps(like hacked camera) that have come out since most froyo roms fell into neglect, I really want one or the other. If the prime comes out and I can get a tmo version, great.. otherwise I just feel screwed/forgotten.
I feel like the only updated froyo roms are being worked on by devs that don't really have it going on yet, and they only use froyo as a stepping stone.. I wish there were a thread in development section that explained to ALL devs what needs to go into every rom as a minimum(or what tweaks work with which roms, etc).
I won't switch off tmobile, I don't like them as a company, but no other is ACTUALLY better, but they all charge far more. Every situation seems lose/lose the more I think about it.
Bump because I think the results are interesting so far.
Im on gb because the speed boost was just so astronomical... particularly cm7... id appreciate dev on vibrantmtd more than others but i think that the best dev community is one where there is variety so:
Ideally, id perfer to see eclair, froyo, gb and honeycomb roms, as well as wp7 and ubuntu and ios lol. This is my dream.
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I'm also on froyo for the same basic reasons already said. I would love to see the different build prop tweaks, supercharger scripts, gps tweaks, and other customizations built into them as a standard. OnlyToxic8, Dmz nightly and zendroid are the only roms with those tweaks baked into them. I'd love more options.
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9 people either stock or froyo, 1 who is proud of him cm7. I read a ton of posts about how people have cm7 and are totally happy, so it looks like they need to do some voting
We need more people to participate to get a better overall look at the statistics.. several hundred people looked at the thread, but few votes? It only takes 2 clicks to vote..
Bump
Im loving MIUI revamped nick and t. Hill are great in both the rom they provide and support can't be beat.
Stock deodexed and rooted KB5.
I've given up on Vibrant.
I'm getting a new phone. Seriously thinking about iPhone 5. I know, I know.
But I just want a phone that works, and Vibrant has been my 3rd Android phone with problems, constant freezing, and other random issues. Vibrant was probably my worst tech purchase ever. Can't wait to get rid of this crap.
I want the Nexus Prime, but the problem is that it is manufactured by Samsung, and I swore to myself I wouldn't purchase another Samsung product. Then again it's guaranteed to get Google updates. Ahhhh I don't know.
I'm also ditching T-Mobile most likely. I have a feeling they have a hand in Samsung never releasing/leaking Gingerbread on Vibrant.
If we had Gingerbread leaked, the phone would be good probably for another 6 months-1yr.
I just flashed my first Gingerbread ROM (Asgard) and I have to say I prefer Gingerbread.
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Miui revamped by nick and Tory is amazing and they are extremely active in their forum IMO Miui runs much better on my phone than any custom froyo ROM
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miui, the customization and tweaking abilities topped with weekly updates and wip gps meet all my requirements quick reboot (10 seconds) means my wip gps is up and going in no time
boystuff said:
miui, the customization and tweaking abilities topped with weekly updates and wip gps meet all my requirements quick reboot (10 seconds) means my wip gps is up and going in no time
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What's "wip gps?"
I'm on a gingerbread rom on my vibrant now. They have definately become stable enough in my opinion. I am running Biff mod which even does not need to be reset to stock or loaded with GB bootloaders making it even easier now. I think the battery offput on GB roms is still there and feels lacking in my opinion but its worth the upgrade in my opinion. Currently on 2.3.5 and wouldn't go back to froyo now.
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What's "wip gps?"
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work in progress
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so 70% stock/froyo and 30% using gb/happy with it.. but the numbers are too small to be a good sample of the population.
Bump because we need more votes for accuracy!
Is it me or is the development on the Droid Razr/VZW Razr is extremly failing?
It's coming. Just be patience
If the bootloader gets unlocked will that open up development?
Well for my experience having a Droid 2 development wasn't halted by the locked bootloader...
Even though most of the roms were moto blur based the user still had the option to change to a different rom were here there us only one...
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ayerman3 said:
Well for my experience having a Droid 2 development wasn't halted by the locked bootloader...
Even though most of the roms were moto blur based the user still had the option to change to a different rom were here there us only one...
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The difference there is the original BLUR ROM that was on the D2 was HORRIBLE. Probably one of the worst implementations of BLUR ever.
I had a D2G, and it felt like Motorola dropped their pants and BLURRED all over my phone....it was ****e.
For the RAZR, the BLUR is really background. It's the best I've seen, as far as implementation of bloatware, and resources not being heavily taxed.
I've basically just rooted, frozen the bloatware, loaded ADW launcher, and I'm REALLY close to a CM7 build, in terms of performance and features.
We're also so close to ICS & CM9 being available that it doesn't make sense for a Dev to put a ton of work into creating a CM7 port on this phone.....what would that REALLY gain?? Maybe a bit of De-odexing, but that's about it, and even then performance is not really increased. So what would you like to see?? MIUI or Aphex might be nice to see, but again, what's the true benefit vs the work that would go into it??
Once CM9 hits officially, and they figure out the touch screen issues in ICS, I guarantee you'll see Dev's forking the trees of those ROM's and you'll see more development come. Right now, you can grab some pretty killer themes off a couple different forums, and you'll still have one of the best performing phones on the market, with probably the best build quality out there.
I remember my D2G, I was very unsatisfied with development as well for 2.5-3 months, but when CM7 finally started to get Alpha builds....the flood gates opened, and I ended up with 4 different ROM's to try in a months time period.
I settled on CM7 Rev Numbers, and was stoked with my phone up until the time I lost in Singapore.
After that experience, I'm totally OK with being patient until CM9 can port, because stock GB - bloatware on the RAZR is AWESOME.
Right. We have CM9 on the way from dhacker29 (and DroidTh3ory?), which could lead to like ICS MIUI and OMFICS or something lol. Nitro is trying to deodex so he can start on Eclipse... We're not dead, we're just in the middle of a weird patch.
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The difference there is the original BLUR ROM that was on the D2 was HORRIBLE. Probably one of the worst implementations of BLUR ever.
I had a D2G, and it felt like Motorola dropped their pants and BLURRED all over my phone....it was ****e.
For the RAZR, the BLUR is really background. It's the best I've seen, as far as implementation of bloatware, and resources not being heavily taxed.
I've basically just rooted, frozen the bloatware, loaded ADW launcher, and I'm REALLY close to a CM7 build, in terms of performance and features.
We're also so close to ICS & CM9 being available that it doesn't make sense for a Dev to put a ton of work into creating a CM7 port on this phone.....what would that REALLY gain?? Maybe a bit of De-odexing, but that's about it, and even then performance is not really increased. So what would you like to see?? MIUI or Aphex might be nice to see, but again, what's the true benefit vs the work that would go into it??
Once CM9 hits officially, and they figure out the touch screen issues in ICS, I guarantee you'll see Dev's forking the trees of those ROM's and you'll see more development come. Right now, you can grab some pretty killer themes off a couple different forums, and you'll still have one of the best performing phones on the market, with probably the best build quality out there.
I remember my D2G, I was very unsatisfied with development as well for 2.5-3 months, but when CM7 finally started to get Alpha builds....the flood gates opened, and I ended up with 4 different ROM's to try in a months time period.
I settled on CM7 Rev Numbers, and was stoked with my phone up until the time I lost in Singapore.
After that experience, I'm totally OK with being patient until CM9 can port, because stock GB - bloatware on the RAZR is AWESOME.
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I guess so..
the only thing we have to do now is wait..
Just an FYI, one of the dev's on another site just broke the code on the touch screen drivers, and is working this weekend to re-write them in ICS, so we may see an "alpha" version next week......MAYBE.
That was the last piece, as the radio's were working, but the touch was still not.
There's also the boot times, but those seemed to be tied to the touch screen.
Seriously, if this hits next week, you're going to see some big announcements soon.
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Just an FYI, one of the dev's on another site just broke the code on the touch screen drivers, and is working this weekend to re-write them in ICS, so we may see an "alpha" version next week......MAYBE.
That was the last piece, as the radio's were working, but the touch was still not.
There's also the boot times, but those seemed to be tied to the touch screen.
Seriously, if this hits next week, you're going to see some big announcements soon.
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Yes I seen that also on droidrzr.com things r moving along nicely
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garlick2 said:
The difference there is the original BLUR ROM that was on the D2 was HORRIBLE. Probably one of the worst implementations of BLUR ever.
I had a D2G, and it felt like Motorola dropped their pants and BLURRED all over my phone....it was ****e.
For the RAZR, the BLUR is really background. It's the best I've seen, as far as implementation of bloatware, and resources not being heavily taxed.
I've basically just rooted, frozen the bloatware, loaded ADW launcher, and I'm REALLY close to a CM7 build, in terms of performance and features.
We're also so close to ICS & CM9 being available that it doesn't make sense for a Dev to put a ton of work into creating a CM7 port on this phone.....what would that REALLY gain?? Maybe a bit of De-odexing, but that's about it, and even then performance is not really increased. So what would you like to see?? MIUI or Aphex might be nice to see, but again, what's the true benefit vs the work that would go into it??
Once CM9 hits officially, and they figure out the touch screen issues in ICS, I guarantee you'll see Dev's forking the trees of those ROM's and you'll see more development come. Right now, you can grab some pretty killer themes off a couple different forums, and you'll still have one of the best performing phones on the market, with probably the best build quality out there.
I remember my D2G, I was very unsatisfied with development as well for 2.5-3 months, but when CM7 finally started to get Alpha builds....the flood gates opened, and I ended up with 4 different ROM's to try in a months time period.
I settled on CM7 Rev Numbers, and was stoked with my phone up until the time I lost in Singapore.
After that experience, I'm totally OK with being patient until CM9 can port, because stock GB - bloatware on the RAZR is AWESOME.
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This is my point also.
My Razr rooted and bloat frozen is running GREAT!
No ROM based on 2.3.X will run that much better (if at all) than what we have.
garlick2 said:
Just an FYI, one of the dev's on another site just broke the code on the touch screen drivers, and is working this weekend to re-write them in ICS, so we may see an "alpha" version next week......MAYBE.
That was the last piece, as the radio's were working, but the touch was still not.
There's also the boot times, but those seemed to be tied to the touch screen.
Seriously, if this hits next week, you're going to see some big announcements soon.
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i hope it does come next week!! :O
Motorola promised ICS for RAZR. What can a custom ROM provide that would improve on stock ICS, slightly Blurred, plus your favorite launcher and theme?
garlick2 said:
The difference there is the original BLUR ROM that was on the D2 was HORRIBLE. Probably one of the worst implementations of BLUR ever.
I had a D2G, and it felt like Motorola dropped their pants and BLURRED all over my phone....it was ****e.
For the RAZR, the BLUR is really background. It's the best I've seen, as far as implementation of bloatware, and resources not being heavily taxed.
I've basically just rooted, frozen the bloatware, loaded ADW launcher, and I'm REALLY close to a CM7 build, in terms of performance and features.
We're also so close to ICS & CM9 being available that it doesn't make sense for a Dev to put a ton of work into creating a CM7 port on this phone.....what would that REALLY gain?? Maybe a bit of De-odexing, but that's about it, and even then performance is not really increased. So what would you like to see?? MIUI or Aphex might be nice to see, but again, what's the true benefit vs the work that would go into it??
Once CM9 hits officially, and they figure out the touch screen issues in ICS, I guarantee you'll see Dev's forking the trees of those ROM's and you'll see more development come. Right now, you can grab some pretty killer themes off a couple different forums, and you'll still have one of the best performing phones on the market, with probably the best build quality out there.
I remember my D2G, I was very unsatisfied with development as well for 2.5-3 months, but when CM7 finally started to get Alpha builds....the flood gates opened, and I ended up with 4 different ROM's to try in a months time period.
I settled on CM7 Rev Numbers, and was stoked with my phone up until the time I lost in Singapore.
After that experience, I'm totally OK with being patient until CM9 can port, because stock GB - bloatware on the RAZR is AWESOME.
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I'm glad I read your post. I was getting a little impatient with the development as well, but after reading what you had to say, it helps. Good things come to those who wait. Cliche but true. Thanks
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Motorola promised ICS for RAZR. What can a custom ROM provide that would improve on stock ICS, slightly Blurred, plus your favorite launcher and theme?
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Motorola also promised unlocked bootloaders. And left droid bionic buyers in the cold when they released the razr two months later. Some company.
http://androidos.in/2012/01/htc-sense-3-6-sensation-ics/
Makes me kind of sad... although I am really looking forwards towards a "sense-less" ICS MOD.
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http://androidos.in/2012/01/htc-sense-3-6-sensation-ics/
Makes me kind of sad... although I am really looking forwards towards a "sense-less" ICS MOD.
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I don't think that it'll be too much longer.
Hopefully.
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I don't think that it'll be too much longer.
Hopefully.
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no me neither, hopefully!!!1 One thing HTC has over samsung is releasing updates fast...my brothers vibrant took months and months to go from eclair to froyo!!!
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no me neither, hopefully!!!1 One thing HTC has over samsung is releasing updates fast...my brothers vibrant took months and months to go from eclair to froyo!!!
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I also have the Vibrant and you're right... Samsung does not like releasing updates. I think they have a 1 major update per device cap or something.
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I also have the Vibrant and you're right... Samsung does not like releasing updates. I think they have a 1 major update per device cap or something.
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ya but they have the advantage of being more dev friendly!!! I'm very surprised given the history of HTC, they were basically making phones before any of these guys showed up. and yet there are always problems with their dev community...and make it much harder for the developers to work! I still don't think my brother has gingerbread!
makes me miss my sensation even more,,
I got the ICS update for my WiFi Motorola Xoom middle of last week. The OTA came out about 2 weeks after posts about its testing by a smaller group started popping-up on XDA.
However there are a few big differences here:
1) The Xoom was already on Honeycomb which is a lot closer to ICS than Gingerbread. Hopefully the Galaxy Nexus has developers already working on ICS compatibility. When I first got my Honeycomb tablet a year ago lots of applications had major problems on the new OS.
2) The Xoom is a Google Experience device so no manufacturer overlay to add complexity to the testing.
3) The WiFi Xooms are not tied to a wireless carrier.
My guess is these things are going to increase the test time. Hopefully not by too much. My first guess is a month - really depends on the quality of the early releases.
I thought I read somewhere that the update will be coming in February. But once it's out, and HTC is nice enough to release the stock rom, then we will start seeing stock ics roms with everything working.
HTC will always put Sense on all their roms.
Pretty sure ICS for the Amaze will have Sense, which isn't that bad. I think there are some decent widgets for Sense 3.6.
I hope with sense they won't force us to have that google search bar at the top of our screens
Hello All,
I want to start off with a very big thank you to everyone in this community, everyone here has been very helpful to someone who is a general noob to HTC-Android devices (last HTC I owned was a TPII).
With that out of the way, I've had my Rezound for about a week and I love this phone. It feels great in the hand, has a gorgeous screen that is second to none, and an amazing camera that I'm happy to walk around with in case I need to grab a quick picture of something. Truly, this is a top notch device.
The problem I'm having is that after a week of owning this phone, I'm ready to leave stock. I was settled on CleanROM ICS for the time being until CM9 came out, but then I did some reading looking into CM9 which brought up a few questions.
1) What is S-Off and why is it important? Coming from a Droid X, I thought the important thing was an unlocked Bootloader. Why are other HTC Phones "S-Offed" and this one isn't? How does this affect ROM Development? Does this hurt the chances of CM9 making it to the Rezond (very hard to tell because they have not announced CM9 device support other than the G-Nex)?
2) What is the RIL and why is it important? This seems to be a problem amongst developers.
The main reason I bought this phone over the G-Nex was the SD-Card slot, the camera, and the screen. If development of an AOSP or AOKP is going to be lackluster because of the issues above, I still have one week to return the device and go back to my X for the time being. I will admit, I'm loving 4G, but I'm going to have this device for 2 years; I need to make sure I can get as much as I can out of this device.
Thank you as always for your answers!
EtherBoo said:
1) What is S-Off and why is it important? Coming from a Droid X, I thought the important thing was an unlocked Bootloader. Why are other HTC Phones "S-Offed" and this one isn't? How does this affect ROM Development? Does this hurt the chances of CM9 making it to the Rezond (very hard to tell because they have not announced CM9 device support other than the G-Nex)?
2) What is the RIL and why is it important? This seems to be a problem amongst developers.
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The 2 questions you have are very related. What it means, from what I understand, is custom radio developments. Also referring to your first question and your concern, that's what we are waiting on. To not rely on a leak for custom roms and to get an official OTA to base the roms off of, which refers back to your 2nd question if this device can't get s-off capability. We already have a way to flash custom kernels & roms, so at this time, s-off would just add the functionality of creating a custom radio.
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The 2 questions you have are very related. What it means, from what I understand, is custom radio developments. Also referring to your first question and your concern, that's what we are waiting on. To not rely on a leak for custom roms and to get an official OTA to base the roms off of, which refers back to your 2nd question if this device can't get s-off capability. We already have a way to flash custom kernels & roms, so at this time, s-off would just add the functionality of creating a custom radio.
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So what makes custom radios important?
EtherBoo said:
So what makes custom radios important?
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it's more of nodding radios and not creating them. the only advantage is possibly better signal(depending on location,prl and tower) which leads to better voice quality but since this is high end as it is it might not even make a better difference even with possible data speed increases.
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it's more of nodding radios and not creating them. the only advantage is possibly better signal(depending on location,prl and tower) which leads to better voice quality but since this is high end as it is it might not even make a better difference even with possible data speed increases.
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It sounds to me like an excuse not to develop on this device if this is really something stopping us from a solid AOSP or AOKP build.
I'm really torn. I want a Sense-less ICS ROM, but I really love this phone. I have a week left before I can return it. I suppose worst case I could steal my wife's upgrade in May and give her this phone if we don't see development start picking up.
Unrelated, I'm starting to think this device will never see a solid 5.0 build. CM9 isn't even out of beta and official device support is still showing CM7 devices.
I guess it's a tough decision. At least my wife is willing to take this phone.
The radio isn't the issue. The RIL in android is. I don't know of any android devices that have needed modded radios in order to get AOSP working. There is a working build of MIUI with 4G working... but it seems like the dev wants to get it perfect before he releases it. Once that is done we should be able to get CM9.
But by all means though, if you don't like sense, get a nexus. It is possible nothing will ever be released though so don't hinge your plans on it.
con247 said:
The radio isn't the issue. The RIL in android is. I don't know of any android devices that have needed modded radios in order to get AOSP working. There is a working build of MIUI with 4G working... but it seems like the dev wants to get it perfect before he releases it. Once that is done we should be able to get CM9.
But by all means though, if you don't like sense, get a nexus. It is possible nothing will ever be released though so don't hinge your plans on it.
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So con247- Do you think there is a chance that an ASOP ril will never be developed?
I guess my question is- how is the rezound>RIL>sense different than rezound>RIL>ASOP? If that makes sense?
It is possible it won't ever happen, but I have 99% faith it will be completed soonish.
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It sounds to me like an excuse not to develop on this device if this is really something stopping us from a solid AOSP or AOKP build.
I'm really torn. I want a Sense-less ICS ROM, but I really love this phone. I have a week left before I can return it. I suppose worst case I could steal my wife's upgrade in May and give her this phone if we don't see development start picking up.
Unrelated, I'm starting to think this device will never see a solid 5.0 build. CM9 isn't even out of beta and official device support is still showing CM7 devices.
I guess it's a tough decision. At least my wife is willing to take this phone.
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Seems like an odd thing to buy a phone on the expectation of AOSP. I'm pretty sure we will see a solid AOSP ROM before long though. Not sure how development is going to pick up much more than it is. We have a ton of great ROMs that these awesome devs have been working on tirelessly since before the unlock was even announced. It's only been four months since the phone came out. The development has been moving at breakneck speed! The lack of flashing unsigned radios has no bearing on ROM developing. Con is dead on. Patience folks.
Hi there
out of curiosity I am following the ICS development since I bought my Optimus T and to me as it looks it seems to be quite difficult to get an ICS build for this phone which is on a similar feature level as GB. Most builds I found run well but often lack here and there some important tools like camera or wifi sharing etc.
Now my question is how do you judge the future of ICS for this phone? It is not the most advanced model as I know it was cheap to buy. So I am not sure how much incentive developers have to get ICS running on this hardware.
And no I am complaining or crying out loud. I largely am glad that because of this forum I can run GB on this phone because T Mobile did not bother to update this on their own.
I am just curious if at one point ICS might work or if I should better in a half a year or so simply invest into a new phone
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Hi there
out of curiosity I am following the ICS development since I bought my Optimus T and to me as it looks it seems to be quite difficult to get an ICS build for this phone which is on a similar feature level as GB. Most builds I found run well but often lack here and there some important tools like camera or wifi sharing etc.
Now my question is how do you judge the future of ICS for this phone? It is not the most advanced model as I know it was cheap to buy. So I am not sure how much incentive developers have to get ICS running on this hardware.
And no I am complaining or crying out loud. I largely am glad that because of this forum I can run GB on this phone because T Mobile did not bother to update this on their own.
I am just curious if at one point ICS might work or if I should better in a half a year or so simply invest into a new phone
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Most people say there won't be official ICS for our phone but developers in XDA are trying their best to get a perfect ICS rom work on our P500 just check the Original Android Development section and it'll help u...
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Most features are working, it's green signal for everything which doesn't uses the OMX libraries.
I'm positive that those will be released soon, and we'll have perfectly fully functional ICS ROMs in a few months. The current ICS ROMs are suitable for daily use, though.
Still, there are many awesome GB based ROMs for our phone, and yeah I do think some features of ICS is awesome, I can manage without them too.
If you can, by all means, go ahead and buy a new phone, cause P500 has old and comparatively weak hardware now. But if you can't, there are a lot of ROMs which can get the best out of our P500, depending on our needs.
I'm thinking of getting Xperia U as a replacement ? What do you guys think ?
Future is doomed..enjoy the last android rom version on armv6..
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aravindsagar
the GB rom I am using is working great - it crashes few times on the phone but otherwise only the Radio is very noisy static.
So I am quite happy with it. The phone is pretty weak. At that time I did not want to pay more for a phone maybe I should have a well.
All I am using it for is calls tasks email and thats basically it. I wish the camera would be better because I take many mental notes with the cam.
I think one cannot expect more from it. But I noticed the limitations of Android with such rather weak phones as well and from my experience iOS runs a tick faster so the cheaper solution is sometimes with android with this phone quite annoying when using Swipe and having sometimes quite long type delays.
Ah well.
If the HQ videos part is fixed.... ICS on o1 is pretty awesome.
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The devs ate working on it and it will never get a official update but the truth is that now that jelly bean is around the corner this phone will be fading away it does have a large community so probably won't become a legacy device. And you have people like me that started here and still browse the forums so yea
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