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Hi guys
I've been facing since I bought my HTC Athena irregular freeze everyday.
I upgraded the Device to WM6 the next day I received it, it went very soomth with my applications installed.
However, the freeze appear very randomly, it could be while launching a new program, or playing backgammon, sometimes after device wake up, also once when received an SMS.
A very weird behavior also, is that sometimes I need to soft-reset 3/4 times in a row to get passed the HTC and the Windows Mobile splash screen.
For info, the soft-reset is not necessarly done after a freeze ....
I decided to start this new topic in order to see if other people are facing same symptoms on their Athena, and to share our experience together.
Cheers
Hope you run Oli's SPL Unlocker/patcher...
BigDede said:
Hi guys
I've been facing since I bought my HTC Athena irregular freeze everyday.
I upgraded the Device to WM6 the next day I received it, it went very soomth with my applications installed.
However, the freeze appear very randomly, it could be while launching a new program, or playing backgammon, sometimes after device wake up, also once when received an SMS.
A very weird behavior also, is that sometimes I need to soft-reset 3/4 times in a row to get passed the HTC and the Windows Mobile splash screen.
For info, the soft-reset is not necessarly done after a freeze ....
I decided to start this new topic in order to see if other people are facing same symptoms on their Athena, and to share our experience together.
Cheers
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Sorry no such problems here, but did you run Olipro's SPL patcher/Unlocker before flashing thee ROM? I know tupsindin released a few WM6 ROMs a while ago that could be flashed without CID unlocking your X7500, but Olipro's Unlocker will make your device unbrickable.
If you have already done this, try flashing the new WM6 Dopod U1000 ROM seems very stable to me with no issues so far and slightly snappier than the other WM6 ROMs.
Thks mackaby for your reply
I did unlock it via the UK website I found on XDA forum, sorry but can't remember the name (soemthing IMEI), so I did that then flashed with the WM6 ROM ver 2.20.405.1
Im doing some more testing
what is really annoying is that I need to do 4/5 soft reset very ofently in order to pass by the HTC/Windows Mobile splash screen
I just bought my HTC Advantage X7500 with WM6 already installed and I have lock up issues if I have auto shutoff enabled it will not start backup after a auto shut off I keep using the reset to get it back up. When it is up I just disabled the auto shut off and now have no problems.
Im not having same pb as you, but I saw on one thread on XDA forums that people having that problem fixed it by assigning a the turn on/off device to a hardware button. and apparently it fixed their problem.
Try that and it must fix it for you
BigDede said:
Hi guys
I've been facing since I bought my HTC Athena irregular freeze everyday.
I upgraded the Device to WM6 the next day I received it, it went very soomth with my applications installed.
However, the freeze appear very randomly, it could be while launching a new program, or playing backgammon, sometimes after device wake up, also once when received an SMS.
A very weird behavior also, is that sometimes I need to soft-reset 3/4 times in a row to get passed the HTC and the Windows Mobile splash screen.
For info, the soft-reset is not necessarly done after a freeze ....
I decided to start this new topic in order to see if other people are facing same symptoms on their Athena, and to share our experience together.
Cheers
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Hi,
I have encountered in the past this problem, and I observed that it was happening after I installed HTC X-Button v1.5, and it was even worse after HTC X-Button v1.51.
Later on, a new version was published, and it works flawlessly since. The exact file is HTC X-Button v1.51 build 30229.
Hope you have same issue. Good luck,
Zohar
Thks zoharbl for you reply
I don't have HTC x-button
For now, I found an alternative with Running Pocket Hack Master at 663 Mhz, and I modified the sequence for startup processes using SKTools putting Pocket Hack Master as #1 in the order, Wisbar Advance 3 as #2, SPB Diary as the last one and Norton Antivirus just before the last one.
I noticed that SPB Diary is slowing down a bit my device, and specially after a reset, this is because I created custom tab adding plugins inside this tab such Phone Alarm, SPB Weather and Resco Explorer Plugin ...
I tried many config, and found out this one works the best for me, the device is resetting with less then 30 sec without any hanging anymore.
zoharbl said:
and I observed that it was happening after I installed HTC X-Button v1.5, and it was even worse after HTC X-Button v1.51.
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Really interesting comment. I have original WM5 configured UK Ameo and have always experienced random crashes. After reading this, I looked again at my settings and found the X-button configured - I don't need it as I use the same functionality from Wisbar. Turned it off and it hasn't crashed since.
You learn something every day
BigDede said:
For now, I found an alternative with Running Pocket Hack Master at 663 Mhz, and I modified the sequence for startup processes using SKTools putting Pocket Hack Master as #1 in the order, Wisbar Advance 3 as #2, SPB Diary as the last one and Norton Antivirus just before the last one.
I noticed that SPB Diary is slowing down a bit my device, and specially after a reset, this is because I created custom tab adding plugins inside this tab such Phone Alarm, SPB Weather and Resco Explorer Plugin ...
I tried many config, and found out this one works the best for me, the device is resetting with less then 30 sec without any hanging anymore.
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Hi there BigDede
Don't know if this will help...
Even since before I have upgraded to WM6 I have had problems similar to yours. At the time I had WA3 and WAD installed as well as Spb Weather, Spb Diary and certain parts of Pocketplus. I did a trail and removed all software from Spb and Wisbar and everything worked perfectly. In the meantime I have now only added Spb Mobile Suite and use iLauncher on my today screen together with the plugin from Resco Explorer - no more problems!
It seems to me that some of the above software have compatibilty issues with the U1000/Athena/Ameo (whether wm2005 or wm6 makes a difference I don't know).
Cheers
Thks Superdawie for your reply, you are right, I was suspecting Wisbar, SPB Diary abd phoneAlarm to be the origin of my problems.
But as I said previously, I found a workaround to make the Athena runs ok by playing with the order of startup programs. It's been more then one week without any freeze
Mrsums said:
Really interesting comment. I have original WM5 configured UK Ameo and have always experienced random crashes. After reading this, I looked again at my settings and found the X-button configured - I don't need it as I use the same functionality from Wisbar. Turned it off and it hasn't crashed since.
You learn something every day
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Same for me, working well on WM6 since I turned X-Button 1.51 off.
In WM5 I had this problem all the time as WM5 totally sucks!
In WM6 I only experienced this problem when programs "collided" due to timing issues as you've found out. By changing the load order or timing of some applications (some programs have it built right in like SmallMenu....it's resolved all of my lock up issues, etc. Most of the problems can be resolved by playing around with the software you have loaded, as you found out. Not sure if it's because of a crappy OS or because of crappy coding by the developers of the software we're installing...maybe both.
Hi
I am having issues with WLM each time i sign in i get a connectivty error, then try and sign in again it signs in but all my contacts are offline, someone can message me and talk to me if they talk first but i can't start any convos as my messenger says everyone is offline, (on my desktop it isn't the case)
Has anyone else had any issues with WLM or any ideas how to get it to work correcly?
Have already done a hard reset and it is still the same.
I had the same issue... never did solve it, although i didn't try very hard.
Since upgrading to the Athena Project Black Touch Edition WM6 Rom, WLM works perfectly.
You could try installing the version here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302152
Yes after upgrading to the Athena Project Black ROM by PK, it does work better but it still sucks. Microsoft has a lot of work to do on this IM program. Has way too many communication problems and is very inconsistent. I also noticed issues with the desktop version.
A problem, for my important one, is that it occupies much memory.
It is to say..., in my single country exist maps for GARMIN XT and if I install MANILA DIALER does not load GARMIN to me XT by lack of memory, if I install plugins in the TODAY does not load the GARMIN to me by lack of memory...
Thanks!!!!!!!!!
I also have this issue with garmin mobile xt. This is not an issue with garmin only - i have it with all applications with high memory usage. Opera, netfront, album and garmin mobile xt have these issues for me.
I used before spb mobile shell on today screen / WM6 stock and I'm started applications from there - this causes lot of troubles for me now with AP4. It will work in first few attempts, but after few close/opens it seams like memory gets corrupted and any application from this affected list will not start at all. They are stuck but other small applications are working fine. Same issue with starting from HTC home and resco today plugin.
I tried multiple hard-resets, software configs and figured out only one solution for now. I have just simple default today's plugins and qickmenu. If I start applications from quickmenu everything appears to be fine - all can be started at once, no visible problems for now. As soon I use application start from today screen - applications will not start correctly, no error message, nothing. It just does not start - for example opera, loading popup will be shown forever.
I'm also tried with hard-reseted rom without any application installed. Same effect with opera - it will not start after few application started.
Do you have issues with other applications or just garmin mobile?
I also find that memory usage in base rom is too high. A lot of apps just refuse to start. Opera only works less than half the time, even if nothing else is running. Tom Tom only work 7 out 10 times. Movies tend to stutter after a few minutes. I have shut off vueflo, touchflo, removed some items in windows/startup and still device is not very usable. ALso, changed some registry tweaks with sktools, and schaps config, better but still issues.
I had a lot of high hopes for AP4, but am finding it not very useful for running applications. Opera is useless now. Who cares if it is a newer version if it hardly ever works. Actually, I found the Pre-Reease version worked better. I mean if you can't use today pluggins, kinda of makes the device crippled. Oh well, I guess back to using my kasier, until something is changed to make the device better.
eagle 1 said:
I also find that memory usage in base rom is too high. A lot of apps just refuse to start. Opera only works less than half the time, even if nothing else is running. Tom Tom only work 7 out 10 times. Movies tend to stutter after a few minutes. I have shut off vueflo, touchflo, removed some items in windows/startup and still device is not very usable. ALso, changed some registry tweaks with sktools, and schaps config, better but still issues.
I had a lot of high hopes for AP4, but am finding it not very useful for running applications. Opera is useless now. Who cares if it is a newer version if it hardly ever works. Actually, I found the Pre-Reease version worked better. I mean if you can't use today pluggins, kinda of makes the device crippled. Oh well, I guess back to using my kasier, until something is changed to make the device better.
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you say the pre release worked better. so that makes me wonder if the reason for the memory problems isnt the new manila sip. i think i need to do a beta of a potential 4.1 and try to get the rom right this time. few more issues need to be fixed and i'll have a public 4.1 beta available.
Pawel062 said:
you say the pre release worked better. so that makes me wonder if the reason for the memory problems isnt the new manila sip. i think i need to do a beta of a potential 4.1 and try to get the rom right this time. few more issues need to be fixed and i'll have a public 4.1 beta available.
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Pawel... my English is not very good... (Speak spanish and translate ALTAVISTA) are working in a new version that occupied less memory?
Thanks.
eagle 1 said:
I also find that memory usage in base rom is too high. A lot of apps just refuse to start. Opera only works less than half the time, even if nothing else is running. Tom Tom only work 7 out 10 times. Movies tend to stutter after a few minutes. I have shut off vueflo, touchflo, removed some items in windows/startup and still device is not very usable. ALso, changed some registry tweaks with sktools, and schaps config, better but still issues.
I had a lot of high hopes for AP4, but am finding it not very useful for running applications. Opera is useless now. Who cares if it is a newer version if it hardly ever works. Actually, I found the Pre-Reease version worked better. I mean if you can't use today pluggins, kinda of makes the device crippled. Oh well, I guess back to using my kasier, until something is changed to make the device better.
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Hello, Eagle, from where I can remove that previous version (Pre-Release version)?
Montecristo said:
Hello, Eagle, from where I can remove that previous version (Pre-Release version)?
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Sorry Pre-release version is not available.
As pawel stated, he is working on another version that may use less memory.
After reading over my post, it seems a bit harsh. I did not mean for it to come across that way. A lot of work went into AP4 and sounds like more will come from the team.
Pawel, I see dutty commented on the AP4 and that he was going to try it out. Ever think about trying to get him to collaborate with the AP4 team. He is a great rom builder and seems to put out Roms (always better) every couple of weeks with the latest wm versions for the kaiser.
eagle 1 said:
Sorry Pre-release version is not available.
As pawel stated, he is working on another version that may use less memory.
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@dutty: welcome, some suggestion for AP4.1?
@Pawel
I am testing AP4, at system's startup, 63.52 Mb free (100.83 Total) with Memmaid only
Having Memmaid, Mail, PocketCM(2.1), Resco 2007, Today Agenda, HTC HOME VGA and Audio Manager active 43.36 Mb free
Adding windows media, opera (default page), tom tom 6, I still have 37 Mb free
Adding large pages to opera (www.repubblica.it, big page, and xda developers in a second tab), Internet Explorer (www.repubblica.it ), I have 22Mb free, more than some TyTN!
From the "plain AP4" I tweaked the system for speed, (many tools can to the same, including Schaps advanced config), removed HTC home using HTC_HOME_VGA
I can't believe in a real low memory problem! I confirm the feeling about the system seems "to hang" sometime when many applications are opened, waiting 10-15 seconds everything is working again and is still responsive.
May be the problems reported are buffer problem, a cache problem..., low resources problem, instead of a simple low memory.
I've closed memmaid and it seems to freeze for a while , tapping on upper's bar application tab nothing happens (Yes, I forgot, I am using wtask and quickmenu too) , but after 8-10 sec is working again and is fast!
Windows error messages are liers sometime (many...) !
sergiopi said:
@dutty: welcome, some suggestion for AP4.1?
@Pawel
I am testing AP4, at system's startup, 63.52 Mb free (100.83 Total) with Memmaid only
Having Memmaid, Mail, PocketCM(2.1), Resco 2007, Today Agenda, HTC HOME VGA and Audio Manager active 43.36 Mb free
Adding windows media, opera (default page), tom tom 6, I still have 37 Mb free
Adding large pages to opera (www.repubblica.it, big page, and xda developers in a second tab), Internet Explorer (www.repubblica.it ), I have 22Mb free, more than some TyTN!
From the "plain AP4" I tweaked the system for speed, (many tools can to the same, including Schaps advanced config), removed HTC home using HTC_HOME_VGA
I can't believe in a real low memory problem! I confirm the feeling about the system seems "to hang" sometime when many applications are opened, waiting 10-15 seconds everything is working again and is still responsive.
May be the problems reported are buffer problem, a cache problem..., low resources problem, instead of a simple low memory.
I've closed memmaid and it seems to freeze for a while , tapping on upper bar application tab nothing happens (Yes, I forgot, I am using wtask and quickmenu too) , but after 8-10 sec is working again and is fast!
Windows error messages are liers sometime (many...) !
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and which two explanation you find him to that if I have plugins in today, GARMIN XT does not start and if them exempt if?
If I have installed MANILA DIALER, GARMIN XT to not it starts me and if exempt it, if?
Montecristo said:
and which two explanation you find him to that if I have plugins in today, GARMIN XT does not start and if them exempt if?
If I have installed MANILA DIALER, GARMIN XT to not it starts me and if exempt it, if?
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Low resources, badly written SW (Manila Dialer, Today's Plugins or Garmin XT), many other explanations. Don't trust in windows errors codes, from Vista to CE, they are only a trace!
Well I have had to do a hard reset and one flash in the last 2 weeks. I am beginning to lose my mind I guess.
The first time after I did the install.The phone works fine for a few days, then it Sloooooows down to a creeping level. It would freeze from time to time and would take forever to open a program. I thought PhotoContacts Pro 5 caused this. So I did a Flashed after the phone froze all the time on the Splash screen just about to load Windows. But after that I reinstalled all my programs and it worked fine for a few days then it went back to freezing again, taking an eternity to Open any program. And mark you, I did not install PhotoCOntacts this time. I did a hard reset and reinstalled everything again, and since yesterday, it's been doing the same thing again. My Ram is always free, like 10- 15 MB left when running. Coz I use one program at a time. So, please what could I be doing wrong? Am I skipping something. I never had this problem with dcd 3.0.4.
Any insight is highly appreciated.
Thank you
Can you list the programs you have installed? And what do you have built into ROM. did you use Kitchen or Prebuilt?
I used Pre-built
I have
Adobe Reader 2.0
Flash lite 2.1
Office Mobile 6.1
HTC Album
HTC Audio Manager
HTC Home Customizer
HTC Cube by Xplode
Extreme Text 1.2
Java Emulator
MemMaid 2.0
Microsoft One Note
PHM Registry Editor
FlashBundle for Youtube
TCMP player
Pocket Rar
PPC-6800
psShutXP
Resco Radio
Skyfire
Sprite Backup
TomTom Navigator
VoiceSpeed Dial
Skype for Windows Mobile
Slick IM
Sprint TV
Live Search
Google Maps
PdaNet
WMWifiRouter
Yahoo GO 3.0 Beta
sMMS
Sprint Home Screen Plugin
GPS toggle
HTC Task Manager
HTC Large Start Menu
HTC Large Taskbar
Nue Audio
Well that's it, I know it's a lot , but they all use to run in Harmony
With that big of a list, your best bet will probably be to load a few at a time, use it for a couple of days to see if the problem recurs, so you can narrow it down. There are some programs that don't play well with 6.1.
I also notice you say you have onenote listed. That is already included with msoffice apps in dcd's kitchen. Maybe installing on top has caused a problem with this or some other app?
Yup, limit down on the apps/util that always have a process running -- ie. HTC apps & the cube. Plus, a lot of your others often have a today item running, so close those down.
Most of us go after no less than 16-18 MB (or better) after a re-boot. With you at only 10-15MB free, you have plenty running that the rest of us choose to do without.
Damionix said:
I have
Adobe Reader 2.0
Flash lite 2.1
Office Mobile 6.1
HTC Album
HTC Audio Manager
HTC Home Customizer
HTC Cube by Xplode
Extreme Text 1.2
Java Emulator
MemMaid 2.0
Microsoft One Note
PHM Registry Editor
FlashBundle for Youtube
TCMP player
Pocket Rar
PPC-6800
psShutXP
Resco Radio
Skyfire
Sprite Backup
TomTom Navigator
VoiceSpeed Dial
Skype for Windows Mobile
Slick IM
Sprint TV
Live Search
Google Maps
PdaNet
WMWifiRouter
Yahoo GO 3.0 Beta
sMMS
Sprint Home Screen Plugin
GPS toggle
HTC Task Manager
HTC Large Start Menu
HTC Large Taskbar
Nue Audio
Well that's it, I know it's a lot , but they all use to run in Harmony
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I have used most if not all of these apps except for PPC-6800 (not sure what it is) Hers the ones I had to cut out.
HTC Home - seemed no matter what version i used it ate speed and memory. I use the time/date format on the top bar and wisbar adds battery status. I use pocket weather with custom skin as thats primarily what i used the home plugin for.
HTC Taskmanager (X-Button) - phone ran much better without it, had better luck with wisbar lite of full.
Yahoo Go - I have never had this work well, on any phone...
HTC Cube - While it may not continuously eat ram, it does use 2 to 3 meg after you fist use it. I use the GL version and close it with task manager after using it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=358102&highlight=cube
Voice Command - If it is the MS version it uses 1 to 2 meg and can lock up. Generally i don't have problems with it but it does consume ram.
One I see you don't have that caused me issues was Schap advanced config util. After i ran it i wouldn't be able to answer incoming calls among other issues.
Another question would be; are you syncing e-mail? how much and how many accounts? I have found if i sync less days it helped with stability(although its probably just me). I sync to an exchange server, gmail, and yahoo.
i've had a few issues with 3.1.2 that i didn't have with 3.0.4 either. Radio is still the same i had on both builds..i'm using 3.37 from Alltel's OEM Radio/Rom. I haven't quite researched how to update to Radio 3.39 from my SD, so that's why i'm still with 3.37.
My problems are these:
1) Anytime i'm in Roaming and get a call, a big screen comes up and says "Roaming Charges May apply". I've never had that before.
2) When i'm on the phone and someone calls in, the loud call waiting buzz comes up, but if i ignore it, and let the user leave a voicemail, it cuts my current call off. It seems to do it worse if/when they leave a voicemail.
3) When i'm on the phone i was under the impression that data was knocked off. I've never had this problem before, but now if i'm on the phone, my phone shuts off if/when an email comes in.
4) GPS isn't even close. when i flash back to 3.0.4 it's right on. For some reason with 3.1.2 it's 20-30 miles off. Really weird.
5) Weird again because this shouldn't be a Rom issue, but my signal is totally lower than it was with 3.0.4
no biggies, i can go back to 3.0.4 because it was very solid, but here are a few of my issues.
Thanx everyone
Edit:
I decided to wait a whole day and see, after carrying out all the advice I was given. Well the problem still persists and still takes long to open programs. I have decided to go back to 3.0.4. That was more stable for me. Hopefully it will let me downgrade.
Folks,
I am new to XDA, so I am not sure if I am posting the message here will goto the right people. I am not a developer, but I am a user and trying to upgrade my mobile HTC Desire S.
First, I download Saga and installed on my device, it was slow and camera was not at all functioning. But this is fine.
Last night, I have installaed Aroma, the device is amazing on performance side. Camera is working too. Have seen couple of issues but that is ok.
The current issues I have is:
I can browse, but I am not able to download anything from Market and from internet directly. It keeps on saying "Downloading.." but nothing is being downloaded.
The second issue I have is, "Mute" is not working.
I know you are working very hard to improve it, but any suggestions on my download issue?
Also, I went through other forums and it was mentioned that a successful login into talk will resolve this issue. Surprisingly (?) I could not find the talk app installed on my device.
Device is identified on the market as unidentified Desire S, I think it supposed to HTC Desire S. Could this be a problem?
Vijay