I was wondering that how many times we can flash rom on x10? Is there any limitation of formating? Because we have to format the data partation, cache partation, etc.. whenever we flash.
I don't think you should worry about it.
What we are playing with is not an actual ROM at all.
I never get myself in-depth with Android but it should be in the same manner everywhere.
1) The actual ROM (even before something you called bootloader) hard-coded to the hardware (power-on?)
2) ROM, in case of manufacturer don't want you to play much with it; those are Kernel, Bootloader,Radio,Baseband,Blah blah blah la la la, which you need a flasher to play with. I don't think you have already flash 10,000 time of this stuff.
>> It's usually locked by allowing only 'signed' image file to flash. That should be about our cracking bootloader.
3) Internal memory, imagine this one as another internal SD Card, it is easier to understand. All the android,cache,data,sys, blah blah blah goes here. That's why you can have xRecovery doing a custom OS (NOT ROM!) And I think it's just a normal filesystem copy, not a flashing at all.
>> It's locked by ROOT.
Correct me if I'm wrong, it's general method which could be customized anyway.
Thank you for your reply.
Actually I don't know anything about mobile phone technical terms. I just used to change my phone firmware and I saw formatting .....
I've just known that it's not good for computer hard drive and memory flash drive if u r formatting alot.
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Even with the old-school harddisk drive. This is how formating work.
There are commonly 2 type of format, full format and quick format (not counting low-level format which you might have heard of)
Imaging you have a book (a really big book )
What you do when you quick-format the harddisk, you erase only 'the index'. That's mean every note in the rest of the book is still there. The papers remain good of use, not dirty or scratched from being rubbered.
But the full format did that, and generally it's using a eraser to clean every page. That's no good in long-run (well... real loooooooooooong-run) With in modern storage, full formatting is changed to the term of 'wiping' through those disk management software. It's only a case when you got a lot of porno personal clips and want to completely eliminate it
Generally people believe formatting is bad, yes for 1.44" drive which in that time there hadn't had a quickformat yet.. which I don't think it remains on your table ATM.
i think when you flashed your phone for the 100th time it will just...EXPLODE BUUUMMMM right in your hands
Very impressive explaination.
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Yes....!!! Even I had same question in mind...
Can some Andriod Gurus throw some more light on this?
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Hello all,
I'd like to have a fresh start with my Prophet. I was on Gullum's Touch version (one of them) and would like to try another one.
I suspect my PDA though is a bit messy with all the other stuff I tried at the same time.
What would be the best way to have a good clean start over?
Any recommended Rom?
Many thanks for your answers!
do a hard reset & read the new way of upgrading to wm6/6.1 & choose a rom...
Thanks for your reply.
Would that erase the previous installation or just overwrite?
As I said, I'd like to have something clean. If it does like any software reinstalled, then it's not going to be that clean.
Unless you confirm it does.
k0rand's wm6.1 is the fatsest and most stable ive ever used. It is clean but still functional.
I've been using it since launch and no intention of changing (I used to try out new roms every few weeks).
littld said:
k0rand's wm6.1 is the fatsest and most stable ive ever used. It is clean but still functional.
I've been using it since launch and no intention of changing (I used to try out new roms every few weeks).
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Tigrou said:
Thanks for your reply.
Would that erase the previous installation or just overwrite?
As I said, I'd like to have something clean. If it does like any software reinstalled, then it's not going to be that clean.
Unless you confirm it does.
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The memory of your PPC is a little different from the hard disk of your PC.
I'm not going into every technical detail, but you could picture it divided in seperate compartments. One of them is the OS-compartment. If you flash your PPC, the whole content is replaced, no file-by-file overwrite, so no previous software remains. This content is what we call "ROM". It is shielded from the rest of the memory and can't be altered by normal usage.
But there are more comparments on you device. An other one is called "Storage". This one you ca compare with your PC's hard drive (together with an optional SD-card). In most cases when you flash your PPC, it will be erased, but don't count on it. It is this part that is reformatted when you perform a hard reset. That's the reason it is recommended to do a hard rest after flashing: just to be sure all "ancient history" is eliminated.
Then there is what is called "extROM". This is a dedicated part is the memory that can be used (but not all cooks use it) to extend the ROM. It is a bit hybrid: it behaves as shielded ROM memory but under circumstances you can write and erase files stored in this part. It is often used to store customisation files that are installed automattically after a flash/hard reset. But some cooks use it as extra storage to save capacity in the normal memory.
Resume:
After a (re)flash of your device using the new RUU method, you may assume that your device is totally REwritten, not just OVERwritten. But to be sure you better perform a hard reset afterwards.
Many thanks rondol1 for your very comprehensive answer!
Just realized I accidentally deleted a picture from the SD card on my Hero awhile ago. The card is quite big and has never been close to being full so I'm wondering if there is a deleted folder on the card or some way to recover the file?
As far as I know, only recovery programs as used by the police, government etc can recover deleted files. You can download loads off the internet, but they are designed to reconstruct the magnetic residue on hard discs, don't know if it will work on a flash drive. Won't hurt to try though.
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As far as I know, only recovery programs as used by the police, government etc can recover deleted files. You can download loads off the internet, but they are designed to reconstruct the magnetic residue on hard discs, don't know if it will work on a flash drive. Won't hurt to try though.
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This person doesnt appear to know what they are talking about, no offense.
Data recovery is possible (in theory) on all types of media. When a file is deleted, the space it occupied is marked as unused by the system. The file isn't actually "deleted" until something else has written over its space.
however, due to the random nature of writes to the disk, and given that you said "while" I presume there will have been many writes to the disk since, the chances of recovering the file fully are reduced.
recovery software: a good free one is http://www.piriform.com/recuva
http://www.easeus.com/datarecoverywizard/free-data-recovery-software.htm
Is a good piece commercial software, but the free 1gb trial should be enough to give it a try.
"reconstructing magnetic residue" is what "professional" data recovery companies might attempt I guess. sounds a little fishy to me though.
So you say I don't know what im talking about with recovery programs and the like, then point the op to 2 recovery programs. Recovery programs which, no doubt, will try to reconstruct the files from the left over magnetism of the old file.
Incidentally, I know when a file is "deleted" the memory sectors are merely market as unused, so new data can be written there, but still the only way of recovering them files is with a recovery program.
use "testdisk"
http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
Actually there is no such folder exist on card which kept the deleted files or etc but don't worry just try a good third party data recovery software for the recovery of your data and files. Try Kernel for FAT and NTFS data recovery software for the recovery of your files.
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So you say I don't know what im talking about with recovery programs and the like, then point the op to 2 recovery programs. Recovery programs which, no doubt, will try to reconstruct the files from the left over magnetism of the old file.
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Yes, You DON'T Know. And since you don' know please, don't give anyone "information". Police recovery software... BUNKO! we use the plain old software everyone else uses and there is no recovery of "left over magnetism" shXt ... Go play in your sandbox after mom changes your diaper, and let the adults do the helping here.
A good way to recover deleted files from HTC Hero android phone is to use HTC android data recovery program, here's a good one: HTC Android phone data recovery
The data recovery program recovers data from both HTC Hero phone internal memory and SD card. Recommend that you try it.
rpimps said:
Just realized I accidentally deleted a picture from the SD card on my Hero awhile ago. The card is quite big and has never been close to being full so I'm wondering if there is a deleted folder on the card or some way to recover the file?
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Hi, you can also use Kvisoft Data Recovery for Mac to recover deleted pictures from SD card of Hero phone,
Code:
Here is the detailed guide shows you how to recover files from mobile phone
kvisoft.com/tutorials/mobile-phone-data-recovery.html
hope this helps!
I did NOT paritition my gTablet after I installed CWM 0.8. My CM7-based ROMs have installed and worked just fine, including the new Market app. Do I need to partition?
The only real error I have had is the inability to transfer files (using Astro) between my internal 16 GB memory (/mnt/emmc/) and my installed 2GB sd card (/mnt/sdcard). Will partitioning help solve this?
TIA!
I think partitioning is an important step and really should be a mandatory step at least for the first flash. It sets up your memory structure in the same architecture that the roms and recovery were built in. Its quick, painless and can solve many issues before they even start. Its best done right when you first start flashing as it destroys all data on the tablet, so anything you want to save needs to be backed up on a PC first.
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I think partitioning is an important step and really should be a mandatory step at least for the first flash. It sets up your memory structure in the same architecture that the roms and recovery were built in. Its quick, painless and can solve many issues before they even start. Its best done right when you first start flashing as it destroys all data on the tablet, so anything you want to save needs to be backed up on a PC first.
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I agree with Mantara. I think it reduces the chances of corrupting the tablet's data. Also, repartitioning is a bigger pain if you decide to do it later when you have a like a ton of files in your internal memory and have to back it up because repartitioning reformats the internal sd card.
McGoo,
I don't disagree with Mantara that prevention might be good. You'll have to make that call.
I look at re-partitioning from the recovery perpective -- it simply hinges on the fact
that I have noticed what I believe is a correlation between Boot Loops and the need
to re-partition. Re-partitioning (and the associate wipes/etc.) seems to fix the boot
loops most of the time.
If your tablet is working fine, I go with the old computer quote "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!!!"
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Your other question -- I don't have a firm answer. The Android file system and the
USB stuff on the tablet -- to me operate in a strange. Kind of an OS with an arm or
two tied behind it's back. I know that's not an answer, so I'll quit.
Rev
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McGoo,
I don't disagree with Mantara that prevention might be good. You'll have to make that call.
I look at re-partitioning from the recovery perpective -- it simply hinges on the fact
that I have noticed what I believe is a correlation between Boot Loops and the need
to re-partition. Re-partitioning (and the associate wipes/etc.) seems to fix the boot
loops most of the time.
If your tablet is working fine, I go with the old computer quote "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!!!"
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Your other question -- I don't have a firm answer. The Android file system and the
USB stuff on the tablet -- to me operate in a strange. Kind of an OS with an arm or
two tied behind it's back. I know that's not an answer, so I'll quit.
Rev
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that's the approach i'll take for now. when time comes for officially official CM7 tablet releases, i'll reformat then. until then i'll just enjoy things as they are. thanks for the feedback, all.
can som one tell me how i can dual boot my photon4g
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can som one tell me how i can dual boot my photon4g
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You can't, yet.
This uses a method called 2ndinit myself and peetr_ have been looking into using this option.
mof9336 said:
This uses a method called 2ndinit myself and peetr_ have been looking into using this option.
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so we can have one androidOS in the internal storage and another android OS in the external storage?? that's really really cool! Would photon 4g be the first phone to have more than 1 OS installed?
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so we can have one androidOS in the internal storage and another android OS in the external storage?? that's really really cool! Would photon 4g be the first phone to have more than 1 OS installed?
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Check my post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1652411
I have used suggestions from Atrix thread and they worked fine. I have tried two or three times and each time I got some issues. I was copying stock 2.3.4 ROM onto SD card. One time USB ports were not working - no charging, no connection to computer with the cable. Next time there was problem with Play Market. I have tried different steps to reset its settings to no avail. It was giving error related to storage unavailability while downloading anything. I have removed Play Market completely, then somehow install it back, but the issue was not resolved. Now I think maybe it's a permissions issue.
Also device was really slow while running OS on sd-card (I have 32GB Transcend Class 10). It's fun to try but I don't see any practical use for it.
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Check my post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1652411
I have used suggestions from Atrix thread and they worked fine. I have tried two or three times and each time I got some issues. I was copying stock 2.3.4 ROM onto SD card. One time USB ports were not working - no charging, no connection to computer with the cable. Next time there was problem with Play Market. I have tried different steps to reset its settings to no avail. It was giving error related to storage unavailability while downloading anything. I have removed Play Market completely, then somehow install it back, but the issue was not resolved. Now I think maybe it's a permissions issue.
Also device was really slow while running OS on sd-card (I have 32GB Transcend Class 10). It's fun to try but I don't see any practical use for it.
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hey can you write a detailed guide with instructions on how you got dual boot working on photon 4g please !? I cant afford to make mistakes and bork my phone >.>
And like you said as long as i can charge my phone and connect to my computer with one of the operating system its not a problem. But having dual boot will be really helpfull means I can check out more than one Rom simultaneously.
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hey can you write a detailed guide with instructions on how you got dual boot working on photon 4g please !? I cant afford to make mistakes and bork my phone >.>
And like you said as long as i can charge my phone and connect to my computer with one of the operating system its not a problem. But having dual boot will be really helpfull means I can check out more than one Rom simultaneously.
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The instructions I followed from Atrix page are very detailed. Link is here
It takes time to have a thread where most of the common questions answered. I think it is useless effort to start similar topic here, in addition - I don't have necessary time, knowledge and wish for this.
Anyway, if you do something wrong - you should always have full backup - then you risk nothing. Remember that if you got soft-bricked and recovery doesn't work, you can always use RSD lite to load stock 198_7 ROM, unlock, write new recovery and restore from initial backup.
The only difference between Atrix and Photon, (relative to this task) that you should keep in mind is the partition sizes. Partition table by LAKSHMAN in Play Market (or any other partition tool) can show you your partition sizes. I didn't guess to use these tools when I followed the instructions. Add up some 10 GB to each partition, just in case. When you partition your SD card, you should create partitions of the following size:
system - 420 MiB (stock ROM system partition size 408 MiB)
cache - 645 MiB (my current cache size on stock ROM is 610 MiB)
data - 2.6 MiB
I would also recommend to use script manager to launch scripts that will replace boot image from one to another. In other words, it will control where you will boot next time.
Note that Windows 7 is going mad about SD card with several partitions - sometimes you can see a single ntfs partition, sometimes it shows the ext3 partition, offering to reformat it.
bloodhound_ said:
The instructions I followed from Atrix page are very detailed. Link is here
It takes time to have a thread where most of the common questions answered. I think it is useless effort to start similar topic here, in addition - I don't have necessary time, knowledge and wish for this.
Anyway, if you do something wrong - you should always have full backup - then you risk nothing. Remember that if you got soft-bricked and recovery doesn't work, you can always use RSD lite to load stock 198_7 ROM, unlock, write new recovery and restore from initial backup.
The only difference between Atrix and Photon, (relative to this task) that you should keep in mind is the partition sizes. Partition table by LAKSHMAN in Play Market (or any other partition tool) can show you your partition sizes. I didn't guess to use these tools when I followed the instructions. Add up some 10 GB to each partition, just in case. When you partition your SD card, you should create partitions of the following size:
system - 420 GB (stock ROM system partition size 408 GB)
cache - 645 GB (my current cache size on stock ROM is 610 GB)
data - 2.6 GB
I would also recommend to use script manager to launch scripts that will replace boot image from one to another. In other words, it will control where you will boot next time.
Note that Windows 7 is going mad about SD card with several partitions - sometimes you can see a single ntfs partition, sometimes it shows the ext3 partition, offering to reformat it.
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@PosterBoy : is this GB really?????? Man give some space to breathe..... lol
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@PosterBoy : is this GB really?????? Man give some space to breathe..... lol
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no im sure he miss typed he meant MB like he says in his post in the other thread. ok thanks man ill play around with it a bit so you're sure the phone wont be hard bricked right? I'm a very careful person I'm pretty confident I wont make mistakes all i want to know is everything every instruction given there is detailed enough and that nothing is omitted from it(meaning i dont have to do anything different except the partition sizes you mentioned here)
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no im sure he miss typed he meant MB like he says in his post in the other thread. ok thanks man ill play around with it a bit so you're sure the phone wont be hard bricked right? I'm a very careful person I'm pretty confident I wont make mistakes all i want to know is everything every instruction given there is detailed enough and that nothing is omitted from it(meaning i dont have to do anything different except the partition sizes you mentioned here)
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Yes, everything else from that topic applies. Be careful when you use dd. If you specify wrong drive names you might be in trouble (this will require loading sbf with RSD lite to fix partitions, I guess).
The longest part is to extract boot.img, edit the configuration file there and pack the whole thing back to andorid .img format. It requires you to install Android SDK with some tools that might not work straight away.
Hi,
sorry to disturb you but I do have some little "problems" with my HTC ONE AT&T.
I bought this phone, simunlocked already, and with revone I put it SOFF and than I "converted" it to international version of it (thinking that keeping the AT&T versionI coudn't install internatinal rom...I understood I was wrong but anyway I'm from Europe so I like to have international CID).
Few strange things happened (I'm not sure if it's normal or not).
The first one is that it seems that my phone is loosing memory, it's supposed to have 32 Gb but, as you can see from the attachment, it has just 25.5 Gb, is that normal (I do use a really slim rom, just 150 Mb, but anyway it's the same with any rom I install)...is it normal? Is it possible to format ALL and restore all the memory to an initial state (where there shall be at least 30-31 Gb avaialble I think)??
The second is that sometimes, after installing a rom, exiting the aroma installer, the screen become black instead of getting me back to the recovery (actually it seems it brings me back to the recovery but the screen goes off and no way to turn it on...so force reboot and than everything works fine....but sometimes reinstalling the same rom over and over it works fine, it bring me back to recovery and I can normally reboot the system), is it normal?
Than during the boot it says that this is a test device and so on (a sentence written under the HTC logo), is there a way to remove it? I thought I could do it with revone (I thought it was the tempered flag) but I tried the following thing and isn't removing it even if it says succesfully: Re-run revone to remove TAMPERED from your HBOOT screen: ./revone -t (but maybe it's another thing).
So is there a way to remove that sentence?
Thanks,
Massimiliano
Storage size is normal to show 25.59... As android system uses the rest that you don't see
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TopoX84 said:
Storage size is normal to show 25.59... As android system uses the rest that you don't see
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Is there a way to check if some part of the memory is lost/full from previous rom and it wasn't clean well??
I'm using this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=50698141 it's realy minimal, without NOTHING, even the play store was missing...how can it use 7 Gb of memory?
m.zambonelli said:
Is there a way to check if some part of the memory is lost/full from previous rom and it wasn't clean well??
I'm using this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=50698141 it's realy minimal, without NOTHING, even the play store was missing...how can it use 7 Gb of memory?
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Just go into settings and select storage. It tells you what is being used and by what.. Memory is used like a hard drive and it is formatted so the system can use it properly. That being said on 32GB you loose about 2GB to the formatting. Then the system and everything else on he phone uses it. There is also a swap file of several GB that is used when the 2GB of RAM is too full. There are also a couple of cache that use that memory as well. What you are seeing is typical storage usage of most phones running on Android. You loose around 7 to 10 GB to the system.
m.zambonelli said:
Is there a way to check if some part of the memory is lost/full from previous rom and it wasn't clean well??
I'm using this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=50698141 it's realy minimal, without NOTHING, even the play store was missing...how can it use 7 Gb of memory?
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Well is like installing Linux on a computer.. The easy setup sets different partitions that the system is going to use for multiple purposes hence losing some GB in the process to be able to perform as required.
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Just go into settings and select storage. It tells you what is being used and by what.. Memory is used like a hard drive and it is formatted so the system can use it properly. That being said on 32GB you loose about 2GB to the formatting. Then the system and everything else on he phone uses it. There is also a swap file of several GB that is used when the 2GB of RAM is too full. There are also a couple of cache that use that memory as well. What you are seeing is typical storage usage of most phones running on Android. You loose around 7 to 10 GB to the system.
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Ok I do understand that but as you can see from the screenshot attached in Setting-Storage it says Total Space 25.59Gb, available 24 and something.
I would like to see/understand/access the remaining 6/7 Gb that are not showed there!
I've the feelings that the memory is decreasing every time I'm installing a rom, I also formatted EVERYTHING. loosing the operating system (than I had to push a rom in the memory) but still is like that!
Any suggestion or idea on how to see what is inside those 7 Gb "missing" from the total space?
Any way to format them?
It's not missing, open a terminal window and execute df command - that will list partitions. Data is 25.6GB, system 1.8GB, cache 600MB, etc. All 32GB are there, but are partitioned for different aspects of the OS, you can't change that.
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It's not missing, open a terminal window and execute df command - that will list partitions. Data is 25.6GB, system 1.8GB, cache 600MB, etc. All 32GB are there, but are partitioned for different aspects of the OS, you can't change that.
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Thank you so much for your answer, I'm slowly understanding how this is working
I am than wondering if it's possible that multiple install of things (updating hboot, recovery, different rom and so on) can leave some "dirty" file or folder meaning that some not necessary files are still there taking space for nothing.
This is my df results, can you check if, for your opinion, everything is fine or if there is some folder too big as it shall be?
Another question is if it's possible to just delete ALL the 32Gb, removing all the partition and stuff and then in some way restore it to a "default" (I don't know what I'm actually saying, I hope you understood what I mean...mainly like in any windows pc you can just remove all the partition, format all and reinstall the OS from zero).
Thanks a lot,
Massimiliano
p.s. I'm including the screenshot of my df result
m.zambonelli said:
Thank you so much for your answer, I'm slowly understanding how this is working
I am than wondering if it's possible that multiple install of things (updating hboot, recovery, different rom and so on) can leave some "dirty" file or folder meaning that some not necessary files are still there taking space for nothing.
This is my df results, can you check if, for your opinion, everything is fine or if there is some folder too big as it shall be?
Another question is if it's possible to just delete ALL the 32Gb, removing all the partition and stuff
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It looks normal, you can't delete all of the partitions it would brick the phone. Flashing roms doesn't leave old files, because the install wipes the system first.
m.zambonelli said:
Thank you so much for your answer, I'm slowly understanding how this is working
I am than wondering if it's possible that multiple install of things (updating hboot, recovery, different rom and so on) can leave some "dirty" file or folder meaning that some not necessary files are still there taking space for nothing.
This is my df results, can you check if, for your opinion, everything is fine or if there is some folder too big as it shall be?
Another question is if it's possible to just delete ALL the 32Gb, removing all the partition and stuff and then in some way restore it to a "default" (I don't know what I'm actually saying, I hope you understood what I mean...mainly like in any windows pc you can just remove all the partition, format all and reinstall the OS from zero).
Thanks a lot,
Massimiliano
p.s. I'm including the screenshot of my df result
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I don't want to sound like an ass but what you have is normal so you are going to have to live with it. There is no way to get more memory cleared up unless you have absolutely nothing but the ROM running and nothing else downloaded and installed. Everyone who has the 32GB version of this phone has the same amount of memory as you. Some have less as they have installed other apps. added music, movies, and pictures.
The ONLY way you could get more memory is to get the 64GB version of this phone. I knew it did not have a card slot so I took that into account and bought the 64GB version so I would have plenty of space for anything I wanted.
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It looks normal, you can't delete all of the partitions it would brick the phone. Flashing roms doesn't leave old files, because the install wipes the system first.
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Ok, Thanks
Solarenemy68 said:
I don't want to sound like an ass but what you have is normal so you are going to have to live with it. There is no way to get more memory cleared up unless you have absolutely nothing but the ROM running and nothing else downloaded and installed. Everyone who has the 32GB version of this phone has the same amount of memory as you. Some have less as they have installed other apps. added music, movies, and pictures.
The ONLY way you could get more memory is to get the 64GB version of this phone. I knew it did not have a card slot so I took that into account and bought the 64GB version so I would have plenty of space for anything I wanted.
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If I knew that 32 Gb meant 25 I would consider to buy the 64 Gb too ... but other than te space I just wanted to understand IF it was normal that, after just flashed a really basic clean rom (just 156 mb of rom) it was normal to have just 25 Gb free (no other additional apps, no photo and so on) ... it's normal, ok, I'll be happy with that and next phone I'll consider a 64Gb version of it.
Thanks everyone for the reply