Now I have stock JL5 froyo rom. But I wanna install nero v rom. But when I try to root my vibrant always ended with error. Please send me step by step guide
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didnt want to make another post because it has to deal with nero v.5
im on nero v.3 and would like to go on nero v.5
just want to make sure, but when im in recovery, do a nandroid backup, then update from sd card. when i choose the nero-5-voodoo option, i get this:
E:Cant Open /sdcard/nero-5-voodoo.zip
(bad)
installation aborted.
now i had that message when i unrooted and updated to v.3 but cant remember what step im doing to update to v.5
do i have to change it to update.zip? rename it and not put .zip?
Any help would be much appreciated. PM's would be better.
Thanks!
steveruv said:
didnt want to make another post because it has to deal with nero v.5
im on nero v.3 and would like to go on nero v.5
just want to make sure, but when im in recovery, do a nandroid backup, then update from sd card. when i choose the nero-5-voodoo option, i get this:
E:Cant Open /sdcard/nero-5-voodoo.zip
(bad)
installation aborted.
now i had that message when i unrooted and updated to v.3 but cant remember what step im doing to update to v.5
do i have to change it to update.zip? rename it and not put .zip?
Any help would be much appreciated. PM's would be better.
Thanks!
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1. if any doubts of a corrupted file, re-download the nero-5 file
2. place the nero-5 file (no need to rename) on your /sdcard directory
3. go to ROM Manager, select Flash ClockworkMod Recovery, and select Vibrant
4. select Install ROM from SD card and point to the nero-5 file
5. Ok out and let it reboot and do its thing. If it's not executing automatically, you may have to select Reinstall Packages in Recovery Mode.
ghamer said:
Now I have stock JL5 froyo rom. But I wanna install nero v rom. But when I try to root my vibrant always ended with error. Please send me step by step guide
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You need to provide more info on the error if you want more people to assist you.
in any case, everything is in here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=849028
xxxman999 said:
1. if any doubts of a corrupted file, re-download the nero-5 file
2. place the nero-5 file (no need to rename) on your /sdcard directory
3. go to ROM Manager, select Flash ClockworkMod Recovery, and select Vibrant
4. select Install ROM from SD card and point to the nero-5 file
5. Ok out and let it reboot and do its thing. If it's not executing automatically, you may have to select Reinstall Packages in Recovery Mode.
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I'm gonna try it out. Is it because Im on a J5 Kernel? If so, should i download the appropriate kernel, install it thru recovery first, then install nero-5?
Thanks for the reply!
steveruv said:
I'm gonna try it out. Is it because Im on a J5 Kernel? If so, should i download the appropriate kernel, install it thru recovery first, then install nero-5?
Thanks for the reply!
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you should be able to flash straight to Nero-5 unless you are getting other errors besides what you mentioned in your original post. Based one what you mentioned, it sounded like you had a corrupted ROM file.
Related
What is BareBones?
Barebones is a regular 2.6.29 kernel with a optimized configuration by me, it features BackLightNotifications by neldar and Voodoo Color fix by supercurio
Does it have Voodoo Lag Fix?
At this time, no. But it is planned for the future.
What testers say about this kernel:
WillisD - "test9 seems as fast as having voodoo"
daboss - "its super fast!!!"
THIS IS NOT THE FINAL BUILD, THERE MAY BE BUGS!
Disable voodoo
Backup in CWM
Run Zip in CWM
enjoy
oh wow, can this be flashed over the current voodoo kernels.
ilestdevil said:
oh wow, can this be flashed over the current voodoo kernels.
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later versions will, this version requires that you remove voodoo lag fix.
Been following along in irc. Good job man, thanks
Is there already steps on how to go back to a stock kernel just in case?
daveydingus said:
Is there already steps on how to go back to a stock kernel just in case?
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Yep, check the stickies
When you say remove the voodoo lagfix, can this be done the easy way, i.e. creating the "remove_lagfix" file in the voodoo folder and then flashing with clockwork, or do we have to use adrynalyne's method with an odin restore before we can flash this kernel?
starscream84 said:
When you say remove the voodoo lagfix, can this be done the easy way, i.e. creating the "remove_lagfix" file in the voodoo folder and then flashing with clockwork, or do we have to use adrynalyne's method with an odin restore before we can flash this kernel?
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You can just do the disable_lagfix way, then flash this
phoenx06 said:
You can just do the disable_lagfix way, then flash this
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Thanks so much for the reply gonna try this out now!!
OK...so here are install instructions for this kernel....
People currently running a voodoo kernel:
1. Create a disable_lagfix file in /sdcard/voodoo
2. Reboot phone, this will take forever!!!! Wait it out.
3. Let phone boot back to normal. You can delete disable_lagfix file AFTER you flash this kernel, but it's not necessary.
4. Download the test20 to sd card.
5. Reboot into cwm recovery
6. Choose "Install zip from sd card"
7. Choose "Select zip from sd card"
8. Navigate to file and select it. Once done, reboot and enjoy.
**If you do not have a voodoo kernel running, then start at step 4.
***ALWAYS remember to do a nandroid backup before modding your phone.
working great so far. love the notifications and it does seem about as snappy as with voodoo installed.
Any chance we can do a rebuild and compile tun support in... Would love some openvpn goodness on this phone
rubyninja said:
Any chance we can do a rebuild and compile tun support in... Would love some openvpn goodness on this phone
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ill add it to the next version
so since this doesnt use voodoo if i install it and then dont like it i can go back to stock without having to worry about the issues that having voodoo cause when trying to remove it(such as needing to go through the process of unistalling voodoo and what not?)
Right on man! keep up the good work
I've tried to install test9 and test20 but when I do I get stuck at the Samsung logo. I waited about 15 minutes each time to see if anything would happen, but alas, nothing did. I've already disabled Voodoo so that can't be the problem. Any ideas?
So what is it, disable_voodoo or disable_lagfix? You have 2 different things in your instructions. =)
tats_06 said:
OK...so here are install instructions for this kernel....
People currently running a voodoo kernel:
1. Create a disable_voodoo file in /sdcard/voodoo
2. Reboot phone, this will take forever!!!! Wait it out.
3. Let phone boot back to normal. You can delete disable_lagfix file AFTER you flash this kernel, but it's not necessary.
4. Download the test20 to sd card.
5. Reboot into cwm recovery
6. Choose "Install zip from sd card"
7. Choose "Select zip from sd card"
8. Navigate to file and select it. Once done, reboot and enjoy.
**If you do not have a voodoo kernel running, then start at step 4.
***ALWAYS remember to do a nandroid backup before modding your phone.
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geeknik said:
So what is it, disable_voodoo or disable_lagfix? You have 2 different things in your instructions. =)
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It's disable_lagfix
Instructions fixed. Sorry.
not sure if this is working for me. is there anyway to tell if i am using this kernel? the color still seems blue-ish to me.
I downloaded Mcnut R13 and unzipped it. Where do I find the pit file and the tar file for PDA using Odin?
You dont unzip it, and you dont need odin to flash mancut, download rom manager and flash it with rom manager.
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I see. But is there a way to flash it using Odin? I would like to learn how to use it in case I soft brick it.
So I do have Rom Manager installed already but never used it. It doesn't need to be unzipped?
And how do I change kernels using Rom Manager and Odin?
Please read my sticky's before you continue and mess up your phone.
I've read this guide already. It doesn't really explain how to use Rom Manager. And if it somehow it does and I missed it I apologize.
I'll keep searching in the Q&A forum.
It has the steps to rom manager step by step... not trying to sound rude, just making sure you do not F up.
Check your PM
s15274n said:
It has the steps to rom manager step by step... not trying to sound rude, just making sure you do not F up.
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My apologies. Instructions are there and I read them last night. I just didn't remember reading anything about if the file containing the rom needed to be zipped or unzipped. Unless it was in one of the videos...
Just tried to install from the internal SD card. I placed the unzipped folder in the internal SD under a folder named R13. Then I checked the option to backup the rom but not to wipe data.
Long story short, installation aborted. Message was: Can't open /sdcard/sd/Mcnut_R13.Zip (No such file directory)
Someone told me it had to be unzipped first. But if it's looking for a file that ends in .Zip, maybe this is wrong.
no you don't unzip it at all...
download rom
put it on root of sd card (i.e. not in any folder)
boot into clockworkmod recovery via rom manager
if you get booted into stock recovery just keep choosing 'reinstall packages' until you get into CWM
make a backup of your current rom in case things go wrong
once thats done, choose 'install zip from sdcard' (4th option)
choose 'choose zip from sdcard'
navigate to preferred rom to install and push the power button to flash it
wait for it to finish and then reboot your phone
enjoy
Hey everybody,
I apologize in advance if this post is a duplicate but I have tried searching for a solution and still lost. Here is what I did: I used the Odin to restore stock rom, then re-rooted using the one click method, then downloaded a rom from theunlockr.com, then used rommanger to install it. My rom has gave me no problems but now when I try to reboot into recovery to install something else(Like the 2.3 keyboard or a lagfix) i get this error:
E:Can't open /sdcard/update.zip
(No such file or directory)
Installation aborted
Can someone please help me? Thank you, BTW I have a Samsung Vibrant running axura-froyo-rom
I had the same problem too.
When I put update.zip at the root directory of internal memory... once I restart the phone (not get into the recovery mode), this file is missing / dissapear. So... I always got this message too :
E:Can't open /sdcard/update.zip
(No such file or directory)
Installation aborted
anybody can help us pleaseeeeee
I got my phone to factory settings using odin then i rerooted my phone and flashed the same custom rom back on and it worked. Try reflashing your phone, backup first, might work.
CarlosCruz15 said:
I got my phone to factory settings using odin then i rerooted my phone and flashed the same custom rom back on and it worked. Try reflashing your phone, backup first, might work.
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thanks for reply.
how to use factory setting using odin ? tick the "re-partition" box ?
can you explain to us step by step please ?
I'm so frustated
Did you guys delete the update.zip after rooting?
If you do not see
sdcard/update.zip using a file manager, download the update.zip from my noob guide, move it to internal memory and then try to flash CWR.
Also, look in the bottom of the noob guide (last few posts) for a solution to a RECENT issue with CWR... I assume whatever Koush did in the last update is causing this problem? BUT, there is a fix posted by another XDA user... just a matte of downloading the file and putting it in the right place.
mikomikos said:
thanks for reply.
how to use factory setting using odin ? tick the "re-partition" box ?
can you explain to us step by step please ?
I'm so frustated
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check out this link...its what i used
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734475
listen to s15's post....he knows what he is talking about. i followed his noob guide in his sticky and everythign worked perfectly! his vids are also very helpful. one thing i have found that works a lot as well is if you download ROM Manager from the market and then click on "fix permissions"... don't know if this would help in this situation but i have had that fix weird stuff.
s15274n said:
Did you guys delete the update.zip after rooting?
If you do not see
sdcard/update.zip using a file manager, download the update.zip from my noob guide, move it to internal memory and then try to flash CWR.
Also, look in the bottom of the noob guide (last few posts) for a solution to a RECENT issue with CWR... I assume whatever Koush did in the last update is causing this problem? BUT, there is a fix posted by another XDA user... just a matte of downloading the file and putting it in the right place.
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yeah this, the update.zip is ESSENTIAL for your phone to run the clockwork recovery, it stores all the things needed, and when you click "reinstall packages" your system goes in update.zip and looks for what to boot up and finds CWR and boots that so you see that screen.
Don't delete it if you did.
i have tried numerous times to root,but cant seem to get update.zip file in right place,can anyone help? thanks. challenged noob!!
Rayn1328 said:
i have tried numerous times to root,but cant seem to get update.zip file in right place,can anyone help? thanks. challenged noob!!
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When you usb into your phone it needs to be in the initial area of your sdcard.
You might have a bad update.zip file. Two things, verify the md5(if possible) from where you got it and check the properties and make sure it's not names update.zip.zip. The later is very common.
Try this method too btw, when I Odin back to stock I always use this one to root again. Follow the 'Automated Method' area.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=786877
you will need these drivers AND set your phone to debugging mode (settings/applications/development check USB debugging).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=728929
hey all,
Newbie here trying to flash a ROM, i am running into this same error, i have tried everything here and i have one question (might be a stupid question) but my root sd folder is called SD/, not SDCard/ ...is this a path error?
Please note it file must be in the internal card, not the SD card.
This step drove me nuts.
"2. Copy the update.zip (and the ROM) to the INTERNAL SD (not the external SD Card). sdcard/ " (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732458)
i ran into the same problem...how do i get from 3e to CWR?
here's what's shown in my vibrant directory: Android, DCIM, external_sd, LOST.DIR
i dont have an internal sd (the card) so it's not shown?
the path i got error on: /mnt/internal_sd/update.zip
1. when i tried to "reinstall packages" i keep getting the error that the update.zip file cant be found. should i create a folder for it or something? i think it's a matter of pathing but i cant find out the right place to put the file...(to get from 3e to CWR)
2. i see people suggesting boot with odin or sth like that...does that solve my problem and how do i do that?
janthe6th said:
i ran into the same problem...how do i get from 3e to CWR?
here's what's shown in my vibrant directory: Android, DCIM, external_sd, LOST.DIR
i dont have an internal sd (the card) so it's not shown?
the path i got error on: /mnt/internal_sd/update.zip
1. when i tried to "reinstall packages" i keep getting the error that the update.zip file cant be found. should i create a folder for it or something? i think it's a matter of pathing but i cant find out the right place to put the file...(to get from 3e to CWR)
2. i see people suggesting boot with odin or sth like that...does that solve my problem and how do i do that?
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You definitely have an internal sd card. Use Astro file manager or something similar and put update.zip on the root of internal sd card, meaning not in a folder. It should look like sdcard/update.zip. If you are having the 3e mismatch recovery issue read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833423
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i go to the link that you linked and ran the script. then i download the update.zip file at the noob guide with a slimbean 4.2.2 rom and addons. this time i would just put it in the root folder (technically not in any folder). when i try to reinstall packages, the screen shows that it is "replacing stock recovery with clock work recovery"... but then it would go back to the 3e.
so...i guess putting the files in the root folder is correct. but someone it still wont let me get tot CWR...
janthe6th said:
i go to the link that you linked and ran the script. then i download the update.zip file at the noob guide with a slimbean 4.2.2 rom and addons. this time i would just put it in the root folder (technically not in any folder). when i try to reinstall packages, the screen shows that it is "replacing stock recovery with clock work recovery"... but then it would go back to the 3e.
so...i guess putting the files in the root folder is correct. but someone it still wont let me get tot CWR...
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You have to reinstall packages twice for it to work properly. It is normal to not work the first time, just reinstall packages again and you should be good to go. If you keep having issues you should just flash back to stock 2.1 with Odin and go from there.
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Hello, I'm learning java in order to be an android developer, but I'm still new to this world.
When I'm trying to reboot into the clockwork recovery from the ROM Manager,
after I'm pressing "reinstall packages",it tells in red:
"
E:Can't open /sdcard/update.zip
(No such file or directory)
Installation aborted.
"
What is that missing "Update" file, and where or how can I get it?
Thanks
Is your phone rooted yet? ROM manager isn't of much use unless your phone is rooted. To root your phone, if you are running 2.1, google search for "one click root vibrant" and click on the first link and follow the instructions and download the program. Good luck.
larryvand said:
Is your phone rooted yet? ROM manager isn't of much use unless your phone is rooted. To root your phone, if you are running 2.1, google search for "one click root vibrant" and click on the first link and follow the instructions and download the program. Good luck.
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Yes, my phone is already rotted by the app "superuser permission".
I have the same problem
and I notice when my phone is connected to my computer my phone's internal storage is labeled "G" and the external SD card is labeled "F"
I was thinking the problem had something to do with the labels. When it fails initially, I can hit the home button and it seems to boot into recovery but then, when I tried to do a backup I also got a failure.
I don't have an external SD card...
What is that missing update.zip file?
chongithief said:
I don't have an external SD card...
What is that missing update.zip file?
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the update.zip file is either the ROOT file you download and place on the internal card to gain root access through stock recovery.
it happened to me once... i had the update. zip file and deleted it.. i guess it was the root file.. so re downloaded it and put it back on the sd card and reinstalled pkgs and it was good.. try finding the root file and putting it back on your sd card
if you are looking for the cwm recovery update.zip I uploaded it, its in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893824
but you should be able to just get it from rom manager, but whatever if it isn't working, you can get the update.zip from above.
that isn't the update.zip to root your phone, thats to get into cwm recovery.
In the rom manager app, tell it to flash cwr. And the tell it to reboot into recovery. Select reinstall packages, may need to choose that twice before it takes.
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My Galaxy S2 has been rooted for about 2 months now and has been running on the Lightening ROM no problem, but last night when i tried to install a new ROM through CWM it wouldn't let me. I tried to install Villianrom and Cyanogen mod and both failed. Both ROM s were shown on my SD card as zip files and when i tried to move them they failed to get a signature and now when i boot into CWM neither of the ROM s show anywhere it just says NO FILES FOUND. Luckily i had a titanium backup of my Lightening ROM that i could revert to but i am puzzled as to why these ROM s wont install.
Any help would be appreciated
You are not supposed to extract them. They are supposed to be left as "zip" files.
They are getting left as zip files. All i do is download the RAR file and drag it onto sd card and there is nothing showing on the sd card i done all the necessary wipes and then when i try to select a rom off sd card this is what i get:
Android/ Attachments/ DCIM/ Download/ GOLauncherEX/ Galaxy_S_Unlock/ GoStore/ LOST.DIR/ ScreenCapture/ ShareViaWifi/ Sounds/ TitaniumBackup/ Wallpapers/ WhatsApp/ bluetooth/ burstlyImageCache/ clockworkmod/ data/ external_sd/ media/ openfeint/ samsungapps/ usbstorage/ zedge/ update.zip
But never a ROM to select from!!
kerriannec31 said:
They are getting left as zip files. All i do is download the RAR file and drag it onto sd card and there is nothing showing on the sd card i done all the necessary wipes and then when i try to select a rom off sd card this is what i get:
Android/ Attachments/ DCIM/ Download/ GOLauncherEX/ Galaxy_S_Unlock/ GoStore/ LOST.DIR/ ScreenCapture/ ShareViaWifi/ Sounds/ TitaniumBackup/ Wallpapers/ WhatsApp/ bluetooth/ burstlyImageCache/ clockworkmod/ data/ external_sd/ media/ openfeint/ samsungapps/ usbstorage/ zedge/ update.zip
But never a ROM to select from!!
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is it zip or rar?
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Its says that it is a WIN RAR ZIP archive. Villianrom 2.4.2 from the villian website. At first you could see the file but it failed to get a signature and when i booted out and back in to CWM there was nothing and i can no longer see any files.
(I am using linux on my pc not windows.)
kerriannec31 said:
Its says that it is a WIN RAR ZIP archive. Villianrom 2.4.2 from the villian website. At first you could see the file but it failed to get a signature and when i booted out and back in to CWM there was nothing and i can no longer see any files.
(I am using linux on my pc not windows.)
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What is the exact error of the "fail to get signature"? You said that you see "update.zip", is that the rom? Also, have you tried a new sd card?
Theonew said:
What is the exact error of the "fail to get signature"? You said that you see "update.zip", is that the rom? Also, have you tried a new sd card?
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Really sorry but not sure of the exact error message that came up it was late last night and its not coming up with that now. I have tried a new sd card didnt make any difference. I tried the Update.zip and all i get is (replacing stock recovery with clockwork mod recovery) and then its stuck at the screen loading bar doesnt move at all.
I have even tried it with ROM manager and left it sitting for over an hour and still didnt do anything
kerriannec31 said:
Really sorry but not sure of the exact error message that came up it was late last night and its not coming up with that now. I have tried a new sd card didnt make any difference. I tried the Update.zip and all i get is (replacing stock recovery with clockwork mod recovery) and then its stuck at the screen loading bar doesnt move at all.
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That means the update.zip file is ClockworkMod Recovery. Have you tried downloading the roms via Rom Manager then trying to flash them?
Theonew said:
That means the update.zip file is ClockworkMod Recovery. Have you tried downloading the roms via Rom Manager then trying to flash them?
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Yes tried ROM manager and left it sitting for over an hour and it still didn't do anything
kerriannec31 said:
Yes tried ROM manager and left it sitting for over an hour and it still didn't do anything
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Have you tried downloading the rom straight from the web onto your device via your device's browser?
kerriannec31 said:
Yes tried ROM manager and left it sitting for over an hour and it still didn't do anything
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Just tried rom manager again and this is what came up:
--Installing package. . .
Finding update package. . .
Opening update package. . .
Verifying update package. . .
E:failed to seek in /cache/update.zip (Invalid argument
E:signature verification failed
Installation aborted
Theonew said:
Have you tried downloading the rom straight from the web onto your device via your device's browser?
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Dont see how this will make a difference as i have tried downloading if through 3 different laptops and through rom manager
kerriannec31 said:
Dont see how this will make a difference as i have tried downloading if through 3 different laptops and through rom manager
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What option do you select in CWM Recovery when you are flashing the rom?
Theonew said:
What option do you select in CWM Recovery when you are flashing the rom?
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Chose zip from sd card and there is nothing showing up it says NO FILES FOUND
kerriannec31 said:
Chose zip from sd card and there is nothing showing up it says NO FILES FOUND
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When you use a file explorer and look on your SD card, do you see the rom file?
Theonew said:
When you use a file explorer and look on your SD card, do you see the rom file?
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I have just this minute flashed it back to stock and i am about to root it again and try to install villianrom. If it doesnt work this time i am just going to leave it stock. Will let you know how it goes.
Thanks again
Hi just to let you know phone is now rooted and has villianrom installed without a glitch. Dont know what the problem was but seems to have fixed itself now.
Thanks
I also had this issue early when I got my sgs2. Here is how I fixed it. I used the "unbrick" method, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1286432
So flash the package in pda that contains stock kernel and rooted rom or stock rom doesn't matter, then flash the code works kernel that contains cwm again, then you can boot into cwm and flash roms again. Not sure what the root of the issue was, I just know that this fixed my problem. Make sure that if you are flashing via cwm your are installing a .zip and not a .tar or other extension as the .tar are for odin. Let me know if this doesn't fix your problem I'll be happy to help dig a little deeper although I would bet that this will fix it
Edit: looks like you got it working while I was writing this
xx_bluedev_xx said:
I also had this issue early when I got my sgs2. Here is how I fixed it. I used the "unbrick" method, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1286432
So flash the package in pda that contains stock kernel and rooted rom or stock rom doesn't matter, then flash the code works kernel that contains cwm again, then you can boot into cwm and flash roms again. Not sure what the root of the issue was, I just know that this fixed my problem. Make sure that if you are flashing via cwm your are installing a .zip and not a .tar or other extension as the .tar are for odin. Let me know if this doesn't fix your problem I'll be happy to help dig a little deeper although I would bet that this will fix it
Edit: looks like you got it working while I was writing this
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Yeah got it fixed i flashed the stock kernel in and then re flashed it with cf root then re installed villainrom and seems to be working fine so will see how it goes.
Hi just a quick question. When i install new firmware should i have to back out and reboot system once install complete or should the phone do it by itself??