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I bought a new SX56 from an ebayer and it appears to be unlocked etc. I put my current active Cingular SIM card in it but I get a no signal message after it searches for signal. The device came with xda-developers.com ROM version v1.2 on it. I have tried to switch to all of the different Bandswitch settings with no success. HELP PLEASE!!! ANYONE??!!
What's your RSU version ... you can get it from device info or displayed while booting.
PS: it's very risky to use the GSM menu this way. Check with your operator and select the right band once and for ever.
No signal on SX56
My device info is:
ROM ver: 3.17.03 ENG
ROM date? 05/15/03
Radio Version 6.12
Protocol version 324e4
Seems you have a bit old ROM and RSU ... you better check with one in your area but I see here some people have either TMO 4.01.00 + 6.24 or AT&T 30.09 + A30 and they are on Cingular. The right bandwidth setting is the key factor.
Thanks for your reply. I don't know how to do the updates you refer to. I hate to return the thing because I got a good deal on it, but if I can't use it on Cingular I don't know what else to do with it? Any help would be appreciated.
Doc
You can get the complete TMO update (ROM + RSU) here ftp://tmobile:[email protected]:21
Good luck ...
Hi,
I tried to link and get an error trying to connect. Could you please send it again :?: ? Do you think updating to windows 2003 would be if help? I can download it for free from the Siemens website. I just don't want it to lock the phone or cause any damage!
Doc
The official update from AT&T should be OK ... however, you device is better to be PW10B type (check the rear sticker) these upgrades were made for USA use.
Also, if you are in the Cingular 850Mhz only zone, you wont be able to catch signal, cause none of the RSU's will support this band.... (quite unfortunate for all of us in North America)
Thanks for your reply. I'm not sure of the Band mHz on Cingular. I will try to find out from them if I can. Guess I'm the die hard type but I still want it to work or I'll have to abandon it. Any other help will be appreciated
Doc
Mavrik said:
Also, if you are in the Cingular 850Mhz only zone, you wont be able to catch signal, cause none of the RSU's will support this band.... (quite unfortunate for all of us in North America)
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Quite unfortunate indeed. What are the chances that AT&T will release one in the future to make it compatible with Cingular 850 networks after the merger?
I still think there is a way to tune a digital device to another frequency. AT&T has a deal on these for $99.99 and it was just bought out by Cingular. It would be logical that Siemens has something in the mix an upgraded model, different freq. etc.
Doc
doc said:
I still think there is a way to tune a digital device to another frequency. AT&T has a deal on these for $99.99 and it was just bought out by Cingular. It would be logical that Siemens has something in the mix an upgraded model, different freq. etc.
Doc
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That's what I am thinking. I am a Cingular employee so I bought one to put on my ERP but I can only use AT&T and T-Mobile signals at the moment.
I am 100% certain that it is possible to get the device to work on 850, more than likely just restricted in the radio stack.
You are lucky!! I have six phones through Cingular and they have been trying to get me a Treo 600 since December!! I'd prefer a windows based device hence my reason for buying a SX56. I had no way to know it would not work on Cingular. All the ads I see for unlocked phones claim they will work on any GSM carrier with an active SIM card.
Obviously it doesn't work hence my involvement in all of this!!
Doc
It is possible that somebody has got cingular sim to work on 850, if they were in close proximity to a mast maybe the 50mhz wouldnt mean too much and a signal could be acquired, but you would still be using a phone detuned by 50mhz which isnt an ideal situation.
I'm not an expert but 50mhz is a pretty big difference in frequency. The splash over from 800 to 850 or 900 to 850 is pretty big. It probably would not work very well even a few feet away from the site where it functions. Still there has to be a way to to tune one of these to 850mhz.
Doc
re: the 850 tunning question, As far as I understand this is a hardware aspect of the radio, thus you can not tune to this freq. This is also the reason AT&T did not brand the XDA II, because HTC would not impliment 850 into the device. You are more likely to see a HP6300 or MPx in this department as they are both quadband phones (meaning 850 implimentation) the real question is, will either of these phones be EDGE enabled? My quess is the HP will but the MPx will not. Reasoning: Rumor was HP was using TI Ref design WANDA. TI make EDGE hardware for phones. TI processor may be in the HP phone. The bottom line is you will need new hardware for 850 or EDGE. Sorry for the bad news, I too would love to be proved wrong. Guess I'll have to pony the dough for one of these two new devices. I really loved my HTC device but if they aren't going to keep up...I have no choice. I still feel the XDA will be a better over all device, but without 850 & EDGE implimentation it's going to fall way short. It's nice to own a Corvet, but if a Honda goes faster...why buy the brand name.
re: the 850 tunning question, As far as I understand this is a hardware aspect of the radio, thus you can not tune to this freq. This is also the reason AT&T did not brand the XDA II, because HTC would not impliment 850 into the device. You are more likely to see a HP6300 or MPx in this department as they are both quadband phones (meaning 850 implimentation) the real question is, will either of these phones be EDGE enabled? My quess is the HP will but the MPx will not. Reasoning: Rumor was HP was using TI Ref design WANDA. TI make EDGE hardware for phones. TI processor may be in the HP phone. The bottom line is you will need new hardware for 850 or EDGE. Sorry for the bad news, I too would love to be proved wrong. Guess I'll have to pony the dough for one of these two new devices. I really loved my HTC device but if they aren't going to keep up...I have no choice. I still feel the XDA will be a better over all device, but without 850 & EDGE implimentation it's going to fall way short. It's nice to own a Corvet, but if a Honda goes faster...why buy the brand name.
I'm getting depressed. I bought this thing thinking it would just be a matter of sticking the SIM card in and off we go!! I've emailed 15 times, joined three different PDA/Phone forums and learned more about these damn things than I ever intended. Now I have a slow PDA, a car charger, extra case, extra sync/usb cable and it won't work on Cingular which I can't change!!!
HELP!!!
Wallaby from T-Mobile works fine with Cingular
Excuse me if I'm way off base, but I just moved over to Cingular from T-Mobile using an unlocked Wallaby, and it works fine. The only thing I haven't been able to do is to make a GPRS connection.
I don’t know if i in the right forum-but it appears what i am after which is “a fix to the touch-pro to enable UTMS 850 (wcdma)”, which has been released here in Australia as 900-2100. Telstra our biggest service provider operates on 850, so my “Touch Pro” does not work. Now here’s the thing, HTC released in Australia the Touch Diamond, operating at 900-2100 as is the Touch Pro, they have just released a new Telstra ROM in Australia that upgrades the settings of the Diamond to include the 850 range on utms, so the touch diamond in Australia is now UTS 850-2100. This means the problem is software, however I am nowhere near good at this, could someone not check out this rom and modify it for the Touch Pro, it is available on the HTC Australian site. If this works please let me know.
Thanks 20 times
Touch Pro European version has always had UMTS 850/1900 as a setting you can select. Problem is you can select it but it doesn't work. Do you know if the Telstra ROM you are referring to has been shown to work with UMTS 850?
20times said:
I don’t know if i in the right forum-but it appears what i am after which is “a fix to the touch-pro to enable UTMS 850 (wcdma)”, which has been released here in Australia as 900-2100. Telstra our biggest service provider operates on 850, so my “Touch Pro” does not work. Now here’s the thing, HTC released in Australia the Touch Diamond, operating at 900-2100 as is the Touch Pro, they have just released a new Telstra ROM in Australia that upgrades the settings of the Diamond to include the 850 range on utms, so the touch diamond in Australia is now UTS 850-2100. This means the problem is software, however I am nowhere near good at this, could someone not check out this rom and modify it for the Touch Pro, it is available on the HTC Australian site. If this works please let me know.
Thanks 20 times
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This is not a UMTS-850 update, see
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2480588&postcount=26
bersca said:
Touch Pro European version has always had UMTS 850/1900 as a setting you can select. Problem is you can select it but it doesn't work. Do you know if the Telstra ROM you are referring to has been shown to work with UMTS 850?
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The touch Pro in Australia, does not even have an option for 850 utms as did the the touch dimond, however they have just released an upgrade rom for the dimond that now makes it possible to obtain 850 utms. As the dimond is similar to the touch pro couldnt the experts extract the settings from that rom and export it to the Touch Pro rom? I dont know im just hoping thats the case. If so it should fix the range in europe as well?
850 band in australia
i have ben told by australian htc support that it is a hardware limitation that they will not fix this that they have no intention to do so. They have basically turned there nose up at Telstra as they didnt want to support there phone 3 interpret that as cash), so they have not offered the 850 band as a hardware limitation.
Those with cracked roms showing 850 band, does not operate at 850.
I am extremely mad at this narrow minded pathetic device for which I purchased two of them for about 2500 bucks in total and because I use telstra there comments are along the lines of (paraphrased) get stufed, we dont care, were not refunding, we wont warranty it, the device is not a total pathetic useless piece of **** cause we told you it was 900/2100 only!!!
I know a lot about these phones used them for years and didnt pickup the omission of 850 band (not knowing), my complaint is they should expressly state that "IT DOES NOT WORK ON TELSTRA NEXT G NETWORK AND YOU WILL NOT GET NEXT G SPEED, NEXT G COVERAGE, NOR HSDPA INTERNET SPEEDS ON THE TELSTRA NETWORK"
so in essence, you can only use this on vodaphone, optus, or 3 network.
My phones default back to EDGE speeds wtf!!! alas, the omission rather than explicit statements is what the sneaky good for nothing companies now resort to.
Due credit to www.expansys.com.au, they with integrity, honesty and openness have updated there website to state it will not support telstra next G
As such, dont bother. HTC felt it was prudent in there business management and marketing hype to exclude Australia biggest telecommunications company, fastest internet speed, and greatest coverage.... whilst simulataneously stating that the device is not faulty or flawed and was done by design and marketed by omission!!!
I sent a message to HTC customer support.... I wonder if they will respond....
Curiosity and frustration has got the better of me.
What is the state of your phones with compatability to the nextG network in Australia. I would love to get a HD but if it means that Im only going to get edge network performance I would be better off getting a 16gb iPhone!
For the same argument, I work for a large importer and travel a lot. So cross band compatability IS an issue if I am travelling asia and europe.
Can I please find out what the plans are for your devices on the BIGGEST mobile network in Australia... Telstra NextG.
Or alternately why you have made the choice to shun NextG users and corporate travellers by castrating these wonderful devices and leaving them half as functional as they should be???
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850 band
LOL
Good onya
Bet they dont respond, or they respond with there normal subtleties and innuendo promising everything, delivering something sub-optimal.
There weird i find, in there marketing pitch that they can "spin" on a complaint or comment with avoidance and subtleties.
I also a a long time user of HTC, and brought the Touch Pro from expansys without knowledge of the no support for Telstra. HTC as quoted told me also that they had no intention of supporting Telstra, cut your nose despite your face or what! “Only the biggest service provider in the country and the only provider that supports country areas”. Who is in charge of their marketing? What an idiot. Everyone says it is a hardware limitation, well im not a phone tech just a user and HTC said that about the HTC Dimond 900-2100. Well how come HTC and Telstra now support the Dimond and all of a sudden the ROM upgrade allows the dimond to have 850-2100? I know for a fact in about 6 months Telstra through HTC will release the ROM upgrade for the Touch Pro. So i don’t believe HTC about the hardware limitations and I believe the answers out there, it just gona take someone with a lot more knowledge than me to work it out. I would not have thought there was not that much difference in the Touch Pro ROM and the Dimond ROM- however as stated im no expert.
Thanks 20Times
Does anyone have an update on this? Is it possible to find out what they did firmware wise on the Diamond?
I too don't believe there is a hardware limitation, oddly though when I went to the latest Hut3 ROM (for AUstralia) I have the UMTS850 option but it doesn't work (no surprise).
Maybe some of the more experienced members can look into the diffeence between a working Diamond UMTS850 ROM & the Hut3 ROM?
The response.....
Hi All,
I got a response... and it wasn't dismissive though it was short and stated only about the HD (sorry, I know its the TP thread!).
They said they are expecting to relaes the HD on the Australian Market in January 09 and that it is expected that there will be a NextG compatable version.
If that means a 850 UMTS version then there "should" be a US version too.
Lets wait and see what HTC can bring to the table.
To be honest folks, I despise and hate Telstra with every bone in my body (people complain about Microsoft but Telstra is 10 BILLION times WORSE!!!!) so I really don't care about this issue... BUT
1. Telstra does NOT offer the TP on their network or for sale within their shops/resellers
2. HTC have NEVER said or listed the TP as being compatible with the Telstra CrapG Australia-only network
3. HTC have ALWAYS listed the frequencies their phones work on - a NORMAL person would have done due diligence BEFORE spending any money
4. A NORMAL person would know Telstra HAS to be different from the rest of the world*, which means ONLY phones sold by Telstra are known to work on their network.
Basically... YOU stuffed up. It is YOUR fault YOU did not LOOK / LEARN and READ. It is NOT HTC's fault. Next time you consider buying a phone... do your homework!!! Don't blame others for YOUR own mistakes.
Bottom line - you should have purchased the 850Mhz American version as they have just as bad mobile phone systems as Telstra - so they might be compatible. Personally I do not think a software update to the phone will enable and allow the 850Mhz freq to work correctly... because there are two hardware versions of the phone available for sale; one for the 900/1900/2100 and another for the 850.
*Isn't it a shame the REST OF THE WORLD (including Vodafone and Optus in Australia) actually having forward thinking and good networks COMPETITIVELY SHARING the 900/1900/2100 freq's.
NOTE: I do not work for any of the businesses named in this posting... but I do have a Touch Pro that I can use anywhere in the world, including Australia :-D
GTRoberts said:
*Isn't it a shame the REST OF THE WORLD (including Vodafone and Optus in Australia) actually having forward thinking and good networks COMPETITIVELY SHARING the 900/1900/2100 freq's.
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While I agree with the rest of your message... but just to clarify..
1. North American markets use 850/1900 I believe because when those networks were being built, the 900/1800mhz frequencies were already allocated by the FCC in the USA. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM#Technical_details "Some countries in the Americas (including Canada and the United States) use the 850 MHz and 1900 MHz bands because the 900 and 1800 MHz frequency bands were already allocated."
2. Canada, and several countries in South America followed USA using 850/1900 because they saw more value in being able to offer network compatibility (read: roaming charges) to USA travelers, than overseas travelers.
3. Networks in North America share the frequencies just like they do in non-North American markets, for example, T-Mobile, and AT&T in the USA operate in the same bands, as do Rogers & Fido in Canada (the fact that Rogers now actually owns Fido is beside the point, they shared the frequency when Fido was owned by Microcell as well). I also happen to know that the USA/Canada markets are sharing the bands fine as well... being a resident of Niagara Falls, Canada... being so close to the Canada/USA border I can give 1st hand experience that depending on where I am, its not unusual for me to pick up the USA networks while in Canada and still being able to see my own. Personally, I believe that some of the USA carriers have purposely put towers as close to the border as possible in an attempt to catch unsuspecting Canadians roaming on their networks even though they have not left the country. I know I had this happen to me before, thankfully Rogers was willing to reverse the charges for me.
The point being, the 900/1800 frequencies were already allocated for other purposes in the USA at the time that some non-North American markets decided on those frequencies. So in reality, you should be blaming those networks/carriers/regulators/governments/etc. for NOT having forward thinking and picking frequencies that they knew ahead of time would not be suitable in the USA.
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To be honest folks, I despise and hate Telstra with every bone in my body (people complain about Microsoft but Telstra is 10 BILLION times WORSE!!!!) so I really don't care about this issue... BUT
1. Telstra does NOT offer the TP on their network or for sale within their shops/resellers
2. HTC have NEVER said or listed the TP as being compatible with the Telstra CrapG Australia-only network
3. HTC have ALWAYS listed the frequencies their phones work on - a NORMAL person would have done due diligence BEFORE spending any money
4. A NORMAL person would know Telstra HAS to be different from the rest of the world*, which means ONLY phones sold by Telstra are known to work on their network.
Basically... YOU stuffed up. It is YOUR fault YOU did not LOOK / LEARN and READ. It is NOT HTC's fault. Next time you consider buying a phone... do your homework!!! Don't blame others for YOUR own mistakes.
Bottom line - you should have purchased the 850Mhz American version as they have just as bad mobile phone systems as Telstra - so they might be compatible. Personally I do not think a software update to the phone will enable and allow the 850Mhz freq to work correctly... because there are two hardware versions of the phone available for sale; one for the 900/1900/2100 and another for the 850.
*Isn't it a shame the REST OF THE WORLD (including Vodafone and Optus in Australia) actually having forward thinking and good networks COMPETITIVELY SHARING the 900/1900/2100 freq's.
NOTE: I do not work for any of the businesses named in this posting... but I do have a Touch Pro that I can use anywhere in the world, including Australia :-D
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Thanks for the informative feedback GTroberts, obviously your one of the PDA users that access you PDA in the city, maybe you would be better of using a PC. There are some people who don’t have a choice about their service provider because they use the PDAs for work and that work involves travelling in country areas, where push email is actually used what it was designed for, travelling! The only service provider that effectively covers the country is Telstra, I know as all other user with Hutchinson-Optus etc-have no coverage whilst I am still receiving phone calls and data. So as much as I don’t like Telstra they have the market-the country market- so loose the tunnel vision. Additionally no one is winging about the non availability of 850, people are asking how do we get it. As for being stupid for buying the Touch Pro in Australia for Telstra, newsflash- every HTC I have brought was compatible prior to the TP, I was on a waiting list with Expansys before it was released or the specification was available, when purchased Expansys never had the fact that it was not compatible with Next G. So when i received the phone I had no idea, as did some other folks on this forum. The fact is that everyone has realised a mistake was made and we are all only searching for solutions. It sounds like your part of the problem and not part of the solution. As for myself I have brought a Dimond and in time I know ROM will be released to upgrade the TP on 850.
20times
Defense for the bad purchase...
I bought the Touch Pro (being an educated Geek) I have purchased almost all of the HTC phones from the european markets because I like the newest in technology (some good some really bad!) Well, this time they threw a curve (I was upgrading from the tilt/kaiser) I didnt see the previous drama about the 850Mhz problem in the Diamond. I have purchased no less than 10 different phones from europe and this was the first time that there was a problem with quad band! My guy that I used to buy them from always told me "quad band bla bla..." lol after wasting almost $1000 US on a phone that sucks unless you send it overseas! I feel for ya brotha!
I dont agree with the fact that everyone is going to know every spec when you buy a phone...I bet you didnt know your phone could function as a disk drive! So what is the sense of "beating up" a guy that just lost/wasted mad money on a phone that SHOULD HAVE WORKED! How much do you think they saved on the "quad band delete" option? 50 cents a phone? I would almost guarantee that it had something to do with ATT! Conversation would have gone something like this....
Ya, uhh...hi, htc? yeah, this is bob the buyer from ATT...Yeah we would like to give you a purchase order for 3 billion dollars of that new phone you have, the touch pro, but I would like to put a stop to all of our customers buying imported phones...do you think you could F**K everyone else and just make the euro released phone not function at full speed over here, you know, not make it as cool as the apple 3G phone that we wasted so much on advertising with? That way "we can be in control of our network" (yeah right) Oh and by the way, we will still sell your phones even though we worship apple...
Just my 2 cents!
Anyone in anywhere besides USA and Australia want a good deal on an "almost new" Touch Pro?
[email protected]
BOOMIN!
Take responsability for your actions
boomin said:
I bought the Touch Pro (being an educated Geek) I have purchased almost all of the HTC phones from the european markets because I like the newest in technology (some good some really bad!) Well, this time they threw a curve (I was upgrading from the tilt/kaiser) I didnt see the previous drama about the 850Mhz problem in the Diamond. I have purchased no less than 10 different phones from europe and this was the first time that there was a problem with quad band! My guy that I used to buy them from always told me "quad band bla bla..." lol after wasting almost $1000 US on a phone that sucks unless you send it overseas! I feel for ya brotha!
I dont agree with the fact that everyone is going to know every spec when you buy a phone...I bet you didnt know your phone could function as a disk drive! So what is the sense of "beating up" a guy that just lost/wasted mad money on a phone that SHOULD HAVE WORKED! How much do you think they saved on the "quad band delete" option? 50 cents a phone? I would almost guarantee that it had something to do with ATT! Conversation would have gone something like this....
Ya, uhh...hi, htc? yeah, this is bob the buyer from ATT...Yeah we would like to give you a purchase order for 3 billion dollars of that new phone you have, the touch pro, but I would like to put a stop to all of our customers buying imported phones...do you think you could F**K everyone else and just make the euro released phone not function at full speed over here, you know, not make it as cool as the apple 3G phone that we wasted so much on advertising with? That way "we can be in control of our network" (yeah right) Oh and by the way, we will still sell your phones even though we worship apple...
Just my 2 cents!
Anyone in anywhere besides USA and Australia want a good deal on an "almost new" Touch Pro?
[email protected]
BOOMIN!
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Please, don't blame others for your lack of care.
If you are buying a 1000 bucks phone you should check it's specs before closing the deal, specially if you're bringing it overseas.
In fact, when buiyng technology articles/products, you should search all the info about them, specially previews/reviews about it, in order to don't end up with something not suit for the use you intend it to.
And just because in your prior buys you didn't have a problem like the one you face now it doesn't mean you did right before.
No, on your other buys I were lucky despite being as careless.
So, stop crying and take responsability for your actions!
You did wrong, not the guys who made the phone nor the one's who sold it to you! You were careless and this time you were out of luck.
Live with it and learn your lesson: be carefull on your next buys, get all the product info before buiyng!
I assure you the chances of getting something different from what you expected will be close to zero.
That's it, I hope this post helps educating some "geeks" and whoever is interested and as well puts some shame on the careless whiners around the forums.
Lastly, sorry for going off topic, but it appeared to be the right thing to do at this time.
Cheers to all.
P.S.: Mods, please close this thread, the question has been answered and the subject is already covered around the forums as well.
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I bought the Touch Pro (being an educated Geek) I have purchased almost all of the HTC phones from the european markets because I like the newest in technology (some good some really bad!) Well, this time they threw a curve (I was upgrading from the tilt/kaiser) I didnt see the previous drama about the...
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I do know my cellphone can work as a disk drive, does it make me an educated Geek as well?? lol
I need to point out, you do not necessarily know every spec of a phone that you are about to spend thousand dollars to purchase. It's something up to you to decide. However, while you encounter a problem, do not blame the manufacture of the phone while they've already stated the working frequency of the phone on their website and even other places have the information as well. Could you really blame that??
I personally do not think that Expansys needs to clearly put "does not support Telstra's Next-G network" in words since if you are such a person who is willing to make a purchase out of such a "RIPOFF" website for a 1st hand experience for a newest tech gadget, you should know technology stuff really well, from inside out. So it really makes yourself to be the only one responsible for such an outcome. Unless Expansys or HTC mistakenly stated that the phone (Raphael 100) worked on UMTS850MHz, then you should really blame on Expansys, or HTC. Other than that, good luck.
Well, itz just my 2 cents.
all you can do now is selling your phone and go grab a US version one. mine works pretty well.
G.
3G no Next G
I live in a regional area (Next G, not 3G), but when I visited Perth last week, I was able to pick up Telstra3G on my HTC Touch Pro.
It was on AUTO band select so I don't know which frequency it picked up on. I'm runnin [email protected] v1.40 WWE, radio 1.02.25.32.
Still, my mate can pickup the NextG network on his Diamond, but I can't on my pro
I'm no expert but I was of the understanding is that the Raph and Diamond share most of the same hardware. I've seen on the Raph Radio Thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439566 that you can use a Diamond Radio on the Touch Pro (as long as you Security Unlock first). I'm on the 3 network (so I can watch the cricket ) so I can't test for you but I think flashing with a one of Telstra Diamond Radios might be worth a try. I've tried checking the wiki to see which Radio comes with the current Diamond from Telstra but the info doesn't seem to be there. You may need to trawl the Diamond forums to see what version others are using.
Hello all. After trolling the forums for hours, I am still unsure where we are at with all this. Could someone please advise if there is a solution to using a Touch Pro on the Telstra 3G network? Thanks in advance.
it works on telstra 3G edge and gprs but not telstra next G. 3g coverage for telstra is poor. they promote next g.
can i use an unlocked at&t atrix in the philippines?
and can it be upgraded to GB in the philippines?
im new here.. tnx..
Yes, it will makes calls.
No, 3G will not work. Edge however, should.
Yes, you will be able to update it manually using motorola's update guide.
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Yes, it will makes calls.
No, 3G will not work. Edge however, should.
Yes, you will be able to update it manually using motorola's update guide.
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thanks man! appreciate it.. i know that the atrix have quadband for gsm which supports 900/1800 here in the phils and for the 3G, the band here is 2100, why it wont work? ... and other than updating manually, can i update it via wi-fi?
The 2100 band is the problem. AT&T Atrix doesn't support that band.
I don't think the OTA works using wifi but you can download the stock update using wifi and apply it.
CORRECTION: it does support the 2100 3G frequency. I didn't understand the whole WCDMA vs GSM thing correctly
i have read some old reviews when it is still in Froyo and there are a lot of complaints about the laggy pinch to zoom of Atrix.. how is the pinch to zoom of pictures in Atrix GB?
I have not experienced any problems. The zoom is very responsive
well i just hope someone who bought an unlocked at&t Atrix from the US and used it here in the Philippines would post their experience about the phone. i have read from different sites and forums that they have complaints about Atrix connectivity like wi-fi and bluetooth in different countries.
it's just too bad only few people here in the Philippines use Atrix.
I used my phone in the philippines. I was able to get internet on it. Not sure it was 3g but it was the h+ symbol on both smart and globe. I went to their offices to help set it up. Just remember, most places won't have 3g yet especially those place that don't support smartbro or globe broadband which uses the 3g signal I believe. Just ask for help there.
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i have read from different sites and forums that they have complaints about Atrix connectivity like wi-fi and bluetooth in different countries.
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Wi-Fi and Bluetooth use the same standards around the world. I wouldn't pay too much attention to those complaints.
The issue with GSM coverage is that the phone must support the frequency bands for the local carrier's equipment, and the carrier must support the specific GSM standards (GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSUPA, LTE, etc.) that the phone is capable of. The Atrix 4G does indeed support 2100 MHz but as other folks have noted in this thread, the main carriers in the Phils (Smart and Globe) don't support HSPA+.
https://developer.motorola.com/products/atrix-mb860/
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_Deployed_HSUPA_networks
im quite confused about that 3G thing.. your post was right.. Philippines do not belong to the list of HSUPA networks.. but when I viewed the list of HSDPA networks, Philippines was there.. (i could not share the link for the meantime, 3 more posts needed).. this got me really confused.. im afraid i cannot use internet services by ISP.. maybe wi-fi only..
thank you guys for helping.. i really appreciate it.
mamoranto said:
I used my phone in the philippines. I was able to get internet on it. Not sure it was 3g but it was the h+ symbol on both smart and globe. I went to their offices to help set it up. Just remember, most places won't have 3g yet especially those place that don't support smartbro or globe broadband which uses the 3g signal I believe. Just ask for help there.
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thanks man.. i felt a little relieved..
can i ask something? after the GB update, i have read that it does not offer settings in the SMS regarding its delivery reports? and when u send messages, does it have sent items?
im sorry for such inquisitions and being a noob..
i just want to know more about this phone before buying so that i wont have regrets..
thanks again..
pilboyz said:
your post was right.. Philippines do not belong to the list of HSUPA networks.. but when I viewed the list of HSDPA networks, Philippines was there.. (i could not share the link for the meantime, 3 more posts needed)
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I'd be interested to see your link, but if it came from the same site as the one where folks think that wi-fi and BT won't work in the Phils. then again, I wouldn't put much stock in that claim. HSPA upgrades aren't cheap and with 1 Peso per minute calling plans I don't think the carriers there have much of an upgrade budget. (My wife is a Filipina and has had GSM phones here in the states ever since AT&T has been selling them.)
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after the GB update, i have read that it does not offer settings in the SMS regarding its delivery reports? and when u send messages, does it have sent items?
im sorry for such inquisitions and being a noob..
i just want to know more about this phone before buying so that i wont have regrets..
thanks again..
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No problem with the questions.
I don't recall if my Atrix had an option for SMS delivery reports prior to me applying the OTA update to GB. I don't see that option now, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. In any event that sounds like a feature of the Android OS (if it actually exists). So if it's lacking (or present ) on other Android phones then I would expect the same for the Atrix.
thanks andy for the informative replies. Im quite relieved now after i have read the previous post by mamoranto.
because i have have had 5 GSM phones from the states which came from different carriers and i have no idea on their specific details (because mostly are gifts), out of the 5 phones only 2 phones are used for "all around, daily purposes" because here in the philippines, texting is the number purpose of a phone. does the Atrix have sent items/messages stored after you send an sms?
sorry for my noobish questions.
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HSPA upgrades aren't cheap and with 1 Peso per minute calling plans I don't think the carriers there have much of an upgrade budget. (My wife is a Filipina and has had GSM phones here in the states ever since AT&T has been selling them.)
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Well I stand corrected.
The "Globe Telecom" page on Wikipedia claims both 3G and HSDPA support on their networks. Apparently they've just begun rolling out WiMAX in Metro Manila and points south as well. This page reads like marketing copy, so I assume this info comes straight from Globe.
Dang...wish I was in the Philippines again!
oooppss sorry for the previous post... it was answered.
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because i have have had 5 GSM phones from the states which came from different carriers and i have no idea on their specific details (because mostly are gifts), out of the 5 phones only 2 phones are used for "all around, daily purposes" because here in the philippines, texting is the number purpose of a phone. does the Atrix have sent items/messages stored after you send an sms?
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I think *every* phone in the Phils originally came from the states, LOL. Or at least that's the way with my wife's family. My sis-in-law just got my daughter's barely-used iPhone 3Gs, and my niece there just got my wife's BlackBerry Curve (wife and daughter had to get new iPhone 4).
Are you gonna buy this Atrix new there? You must be rich...
P.S. The Atrix does keep copies of sent and received SMS messages. It shows them in threads/conversations like iPhone, or Chikka.
It uses the Text Messaging app which I think is part of the Android OS. Motorola also throws in their own messaging widget if you want you want to use that.
My dinner break is over and I need to quit this thread for now...
Mabuhay!
Would someone point me in the right direction or explain why the new baseband has problems on t-mobiles US network?
I have been searching and cannot find very much.
Thanks in advance.
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If I may elaborate on what Jrhodes85 was saying:
With the new baseband, the 1700Mhz band (which accounts for half of T-mobile's HSDPA coverage in the US, among other carriers) is completely unstable, if not non-existent.
Most international carriers' data works great, but O1 users in North America and possibly a couple other regions are slowly getting pushed into obsolescence.
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So does this mean that T-Mobiles network is using a frequency hardly anybody uses which also means future ROMs which are build upon the new baseband?
I am not with T-Mobile USA because I am also German but because I feel they are the only company which uses GSM smartphones and has reasonable prices for data and voice.
ATT Sprint and Verizon in my opinion are drastically overpriced for they bad product they deliver and MetroPCS or BoostMobile seem to have questionable reputation when it comes to service quality.
What would this mean for our future with T-Mobile?
What do they do with new smartphones? They also use the old baseband?
cekuhnen said:
So does this mean that T-Mobiles network is using a frequency hardly anybody uses which also means future ROMs which are build upon the new baseband?
I am not with T-Mobile USA because I am also German but because I feel they are the only company which uses GSM smartphones and has reasonable prices for data and voice.
ATT Sprint and Verizon in my opinion are drastically overpriced for they bad product they deliver and MetroPCS or BoostMobile seem to have questionable reputation when it comes to service quality.
What would this mean for our future with T-Mobile?
What do they do with new smartphones? They also use the old baseband?
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The baseband is just the software that controls the phone's radio systems. It so happens that the baseband released in Europe apparently does not support the 1700 mhz part of the spectrum that carriers like T-Mobile broadcasts their signal on. I highly doubt that LG is passing on supporting an entire frequency range, as that would be a terrible business decision considering there are more carriers than just T-Mobile using it.
The spectrum T-mobile broadcasts on has other issues (no clear roadmap to 4G, etc), but you won't need to really worry about that for years.
To the OP: How does this manifest? Well, after flashing the new baseband, my data speeds have slowed down considerably. Google Music is now unusable, yet I am still able to make voice calls and send texts. I am not on T-Mobile, but I am using an Optimus T on WIND here in Canada.
Thanks for the responses.
The other day I briefly switched to the new baseband. One thing I noticed was that I had 3G in my office whereas before I did not, I don't know why, but I didn't notice any really problems. Only after reading a few things that others were saying I decided to go back to the old baseband.
What do the new tmobile phones have for a baseband? If they are on gingerbread are they on the new baseband? How does that work?
well I have a 30 MB dataplan hahah so I can somewhat not care about G3.
I mainly use it for Google Maps sometimes and thats it.
I am to cheap to pay more than 30 Dollars for such services. If they would charge 5 dollars for 500 MB ror so I would do it.
Well I hope that the baseband modem drivers for the LG Optimus at one point can support both frequencies as I just learned that this
is a driver option.
The German iPhone can be made to work in the USA when you just hack into the phone and activate the frequency used in the USA.
Tmobile isn't really anything compared to AT&T or Verizon, they honestly have far superior phones...in the days of the g1 which ran specifically on tmobile usa was easy to switch radio...back than it was Radio SPL and was as simple installing as flashing any rom or kernel...my question was simple....
Can tmobile users in the US have new baseband that provides working mobile data (3g/2g)..because without it working, the phones practically useless without wifi
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Can tmobile users in the US have new baseband that provides working mobile data (3g/2g)..because without it working, the phones practically useless without wifi
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Unless someone is able to merge that portion of the old baseband with the new baseband, I sincerely doubt we're going to see this resolved.
T-Mobile seems to have no interest in pushing LG to update the Optimus T to Gingerbread. Either that, or they're waiting to improve the adoption rate of Gingerbread on the G2X before they bother with older phones (horrible logic, if you ask me).
I hate to say it, but there may need to be somewhat of a divide among developers if certain roms can't be built for both basebands. Of course, this isn't anything new for the Optimus line. The Optimus V is all on its own, too.
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Unless someone is able to merge that portion of the old baseband with the new baseband, I sincerely doubt we're going to see this resolved.
T-Mobile seems to have no interest in pushing LG to update the Optimus T to Gingerbread. Either that, or they're waiting to improve the adoption rate of Gingerbread on the G2X before they bother with older phones (horrible logic, if you ask me).
I hate to say it, but there may need to be somewhat of a divide among developers if certain roms can't be built for both basebands. Of course, this isn't anything new for the Optimus line. The Optimus V is all on its own, too.
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Well i know that on the openoptimus ROM new Baseband 3g works fine but not on the other ROMs thats why i thought it was a apn issue but i never got a chance to check cause i bricked mine going back to the v10 baseband and got a new p509 from warranty, and as far as tmobile update i highly doubt it because i know someone that works for tmobile and he said they are phasing the phone out they are not even on the shelf at most stores i wish some one would just let us know is it just the apn setting cause we can put those in manually here (I have a link if anyone needs how to do that PM me) i just gave my P509 to my girlfriend so i dont want to try and then have her not have data when she gets a new phone i will try but not right now
so based on what you say
the new openoptimus rom once stable and running fine on the Optimus T would allow full access to 3G ???
I bricked my phone wanted to do a replacement and the guy on the phone at T-Mobile told me they dont because they dont support it anymore.
So I guess you are pretty right with your assumption.
Fortunately I was able to recover it on my own.
cekuhnen said:
so based on what you say
the new openoptimus rom once stable and running fine on the Optimus T would allow full access to 3G ???
I bricked my phone wanted to do a replacement and the guy on the phone at T-Mobile told me they dont because they dont support it anymore.
So I guess you are pretty right with your assumption.
Fortunately I was able to recover it on my own.
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Pretty much and art this point I'm not sure it's worth the risk she should get a new phone in a few weeks I will test everything after that
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That is just sad.....about tmobile phasing the OpT out, its one of the best entry level smartphone they provide,even when I walk into to pay my bill I still see people buying the OpT....that's why I enjoy devs like andy and bytecode, they're all developing with old baseband
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I agree - if the camera would be better I would more than happy with this phone and not need more.
Yea its a good phone I loved my Optimus and in fact still do I mod it for my girlfriend now for fun but I will tell you going from the Optimus to this phone (HTC Sensation) is amazing I love this phone and if you are going to upgrade it is a great phone, granted the Tmobile gs2 had more storage and a better processor (there is really no difference) the development in the Tmobile version of the galaxy s2 is slow and week as hell almost all themed ROMs while mine has great ROMS full working ICS ROMs both with HTC Sence 3.5 and stock ICS ROMs as well as official support for cyanogen mod and Miui which the Tmobile GS2 doesn't have just a little tip to my fellow Tmobile users .....anyway back on topic I'm pretty sure we can get the new baseband cyanogen mod working on our Optimus t and I will figure out how as soon as I get my girl another phone
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...anyway back on topic I'm pretty sure we can get the new baseband cyanogen mod working on our Optimus t and I will figure out how as soon as I get my girl another phone
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I am almost certain that will not be the case. Android developers, while talented, are not electrical engineers and developing firmware to run a 3G radio is far beyond their skill set. The only possibility is for LG to update with a new baseband that doesn't screw over Optimus T users.
all of these new baseband scares me now.
I am using the new baseband on Optimus T on Mobilicity network (1700)
is there a risk that I may bricked this phone?
I am using Adam's N1 CM7 , with V20G baseband
It works well for me and I love CM7
Valent
I dont think you can brick the phone just by flashing the baseband.
And the baseband discussion is an issue with the T-Mobile service in the USA as I think in Europe it works fine and I think Asia should be the same.
Does Indonesia use GSM or CDMA?
valent|n0 said:
all of these new baseband scares me now.
I am using the new baseband on Optimus T on Mobilicity network (1700)
is there a risk that I may bricked this phone?
I am using Adam's N1 CM7 , with V20G baseband
It works well for me and I love CM7
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I don't think you ruined your phone. I had mine on the new baseband for a couple days and didn't have any problems. I reverted back to the old one and it has been just fine.
I have an Optimus One T too, but I bought it unlocked on eBay. My carrier uses 2100MHz for 3G where I live. So far I've had no problems with the old baseband. I'm using CM7.1 (mik_os 6.5.8) but would like to try adfad666's latest versions, which only support the new baseband. Do you guys think it would work?
I've got a lg-p509 optimus-t in the U.S., do I understand correctly that I'm on the old baseband since t-mo never did the official gb update for this phone?
When I check in "about phone" my baseband info is the seemingly meaningless "V07u-000-000-mar-23-2009" not v10 or v20g etc.
P.S. I'm running adfad666's cm-7.2.0-RCO-optimusone-kang with goldenleaf 2.6.32.9 #1 right now with no issues to speak of.
Update: I booted windows and installed the lg mobile support tool which seems to show I'm at v10s, which they want to update to 10L maybe??
"get info" button returns 10s and main lg tool window shows 10L below my phone model.
it says update available, but is kind of short on detail.
Yes, I should do my own research and I have done the bare minimum. Atrix is a GSM phone and I believe page plus works on Verizon which isn't a GSM network? But somewhere I swear Ive read about the Atrix being able to work with other networks. Can it be flashed to page plus and if not which networks can I get it to without hardware changes. I am trying to sell mine as I got the S2 (don't flame me lol), I got the Atrix 2 first but everything I saw about the specs said the original was a better phone so I went with the next one in line for ics. It is what it is. Now I want to sell it so I can get the S3 and be next in line for JellyBean. So who is my target customers I can flash it to for prepay? Thanks in advance!
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No. If it doesn't have a sim, it wont work with the atrix since they (moto) didn't release it to cdma. Sorry