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I have created this thread after asking this question in a different thread. drupad2drupad suggested i create a thread and sticky it. I agree, thought it might be useful to others. Hope its helpful.
I used to always use Windows phones (back in the days of WM6.5), but the draw of android tempted me. Now i am considering a returning to the the land that is Microsoft. The titan looked like a really good bet for me, but i had the following concerns:
Single core: I know microsoft says there is no real need for dual core phones, but a friend of mine has got a sensation XE, and compared to my desire HD, it flies! Even though my desire is clocked at 1.8Ghz the sensation is running stock 1.5Ghz x2. Can WP7 be that different?
512 MB of RAM: This seems pityfull in todays phones, my old HD2 that! Does WP7 have better memory management than android?
No SD Slot: This is just plain criminal, i have a 32 Gig card and its almost full! Adding a slot could not add that much to the price/Bulk of the device.
Screen Resolution: That lovely big screen was a major attractant to me, But 480x800. 640x960 is becoming the norm with screens nearly a inch smaller in size.
Beloved TomTom: This is more of a general WP7 Gripe. I used TomTom with my old WM6.5 devices, it is hands down the best navigation software. I know android has no TomTom but this would get me back to windows handsets in a flash! I use sat nav for 3-4 hours a day at work, mostly in rural places. Nothing matches TomTom for accuracy or re-routing. Come on TomTom, sort it out!
Please don't take any of this as criticism over the phone. I was seriously tempted when the titan came along. Just me venting my thoughts.
Sorry if i hijacked the thread, just seemed like a good opportunity to ask.
So the big question is, to stay with android or run with WP7?
Have you or any other WP7 users got any thoughts on that?
Regards
Your friendly HTC Titan Moderator
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original_ganjaman said:
Hi there
This might be a good question(s) for you, as you have come from a android device.
I used to always use Windows phones (back in the days of WM6.5), but the draw of android tempted me. Now i am considering a returning to the the land that is Microsoft. The titan looked like a really good bet for me, but i had the following concerns:
Single core: I know microsoft says there is no real need for dual core phones, but a friend of mine has got a sensation XE, and compared to my desire HD, it flies! Even though my desire is clocked at 1.8Ghz the sensation is running stock 1.5Ghz x2. Can WP7 be that different?
512 MB of RAM: This seems pityfull in todays phones, my old HD2 that! Does WP7 have better memory management than android?
No SD Slot: This is just plain criminal, i have a 32 Gig card and its almost full! Adding a slot could not add that much to the price/Bulk of the device.
Screen Resolution: That lovely big screen was a major attractant to me, But 480x800. 640x960 is becoming the norm with screens nearly a inch smaller in size.
Beloved TomTom: This is more of a general WP7 Gripe. I used TomTom with my old WM6.5 devices, it is hands down the best navigation software. I know android has no TomTom but this would get me back to windows handsets in a flash! I use sat nav for 3-4 hoursa day at work, mostly in rural places. Nothing matches TomTom for accuracy or re-routing. Come on TomTom, sort it out!
Please don't take any of this as criticism over the phone. I was seriously tempted when the titan came along. Just me venting my thoughts.
Sorry if i hijacked the thread, just seemed like a good opportunity to ask.
So the big question is, to stay with android or run with WP7?
Have you or any other WP7 users got any thoughts on that?
Regards
Your friendly HTC Titan Moderator
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Hi!
I am so glad you asked this!
Probably your question and my answers need to be stickied somewhere, because I have been long time user of WinMo 6 and 6.5 and then Android's so called openness tempted me. I gave it a shot too. Ran gingerbread stock ROM with 1Ghz processor, ran Cyanogenmod 7 as well as custom gingerbread ROMs. Over clock to even 1.3 Ghz make that android pant for breath and oh those force closes! I still get those nightmares about things force closing right when you are trying to show off how cool your phone is with all those apps in it!
So I gathered courage (and money) to jump the android ship even after the reviews saying ICS will make it all better for android. Guess what? I don't regret it at all. I am so glad I made that switch.
Windows Phone 7 - is what professionals can design. Android is what open source can give. I just tweeted this morning about an interesting article that said, why Android will stay sluggish compared iOS and WP for rest of it's life until they do something what Microsoft did - it's in their framework.
They need that huge processor and huge dual cores because they got their framework wrong. The way they manage memory is ridiculous now that I have understood the difference between WP and Android. I know this will make my post long, but I think it's best if I summarize that article:
1) The UI rendering in android isnt done by separate dedicated thread in framework like WP7 or 7.5 does. So the priority of rendering UI is same as anything else on the phone = more memory requirement
2) In WP each view is rendered separately and stored in the memory. However in Android the UI is flattened before rendering. So this makes android to redraw the whole screen elements from scratch = more processing power
3) About memory - I think this is very much a personal preference. I don't sync my documents to my phone, I keep them on the SkyDrive most of the time. The only things that take up my memory is my songs, lots of them. But my requirement is nothing compared to yours. Say roughly 250 songs = 1GB, I will need to have 8000 songs that I listen to. Honestly, by the time I finish listening to these 8000 songs even once, I am sure there will be atleast 200 new songs. So I don't bother with music or storage much. 12GB serves me well.
4) Screen Res - If you are using AMOLED on Android, you will miss it for may be 3 days. If you are using LCD - you won't notice much difference in resolution. It would have been nicer to get higher res as you suggested, but for this price - it's much worth it with this UI!
5) TomTom - you've got to try Bing Maps! Come on, if you are on android and already don't have TomTom, I bet you've settled for something else. So if you can settle for something else on Android, why not on WP? And the market apps are being added, I don't think TomTom is much farther.
After such a lengthy post, I think I should add, that I've used exactly same spec and same size phone i.e. HTC Sensation XL on the side with HTC Titan. Sensation XL runs Android, Titan runs WP7.
I can bet anyone £500, without rooting and overclocking Sensation XL - show me that it works and looks as good as Titan! - It doesn't.
Every evening I try to play with Sensation XL, trying to make myself regret buying WP because I don't have so called 'must have apps' - but that counts for nothing as soon as I see live tiles on WP and think of the flawless working.
Hint: I bought both phones 3 weeks ago. I got 8 force closes and 2 reboots on Sensation XL so far. I haven't got single freeze or reboot on Titan. - see how different WP7 is compared to 6.5?
Sorry, I forgot to add - if you are a phone user whose life depends more on apps than flawless UI, integration and speed - Don't switch from Android. WP will need at least 12-15 months to have even half the apps (good or ****e) any other platform has.
original_ganjaman said:
Hi there
This might be a good question(s) for you, as you have come from a android device.
I used to always use Windows phones (back in the days of WM6.5), but the draw of android tempted me. Now i am considering a returning to the the land that is Microsoft. The titan looked like a really good bet for me, but i had the following concerns:
Single core: I know microsoft says there is no real need for dual core phones, but a friend of mine has got a sensation XE, and compared to my desire HD, it flies! Even though my desire is clocked at 1.8Ghz the sensation is running stock 1.5Ghz x2. Can WP7 be that different?
512 MB of RAM: This seems pityfull in todays phones, my old HD2 that! Does WP7 have better memory management than android?
No SD Slot: This is just plain criminal, i have a 32 Gig card and its almost full! Adding a slot could not add that much to the price/Bulk of the device.
Screen Resolution: That lovely big screen was a major attractant to me, But 480x800. 640x960 is becoming the norm with screens nearly a inch smaller in size.
Beloved TomTom: This is more of a general WP7 Gripe. I used TomTom with my old WM6.5 devices, it is hands down the best navigation software. I know android has no TomTom but this would get me back to windows handsets in a flash! I use sat nav for 3-4 hoursa day at work, mostly in rural places. Nothing matches TomTom for accuracy or re-routing. Come on TomTom, sort it out!
Please don't take any of this as criticism over the phone. I was seriously tempted when the titan came along. Just me venting my thoughts.
Sorry if i hijacked the thread, just seemed like a good opportunity to ask.
So the big question is, to stay with android or run with WP7?
Have you or any other WP7 users got any thoughts on that?
Regards
Your friendly HTC Titan Moderator
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Single core - My experiences with WP7 have gone back to the beginning and the single core has never been an issue. Even with loading all my email, text message, pics, games, and apps that i use. I'm one to reset my phone (and reformat my PC) just to keep it fresh but I haven't had to do that with the Focus from day 1. I can't say the same for my Captivate which, when I compare it to my Focus being both 1GHz processors, had its slow moments and I've reset that a couple times. WP7 has been more responsive at the same single core speeds. To me this became a non-issue based on experience.
RAM - My experience here is the same as with the single core question. I must say, when they built WP7, they did an excellent job with how it handles memory it would seem. As a programmer and project manager myself, I've seen apps just explode over time (been doing this since the late 80's) because of memory requirements or space requirements. It seems that MS has done a good job keeping the overhead down.
No SD Slot - I agree with you 100% here. As someone who isn't into putting all their stuff on the web I also think an SD slot is called for in all of todays phones. Especially when you reach this stage of feature phone that is supposed to be your one-in-all device. Manage what you have and it will be ok but it might be tedious depending on how often you need to change things up.
Screen Resolution - After handling the Focus, the Titan, and the Vivid on AT&T, I would say that this should be a non-issue for most. I was pleasantly surprised at how well the Titan looked on the bigger screen. Side by side, there was no real difference. People might say there is (to a purist techy, yeah) but in using it, there really isn't.
TomTom - There are a couple big names that already have GPS apps for WP7. TomTom will follow shortly I'm sure. Garmin already has theirs as well as others. WP7 is finally getting traction in the real world and companies are starting to get that. I think it was a "wait and see" scenario from a business perspective for most companies but they're starting to realize the market really is bigger than they thought it was going to be.
Hope this helps...
-Cyber
Echo sentiments on memory and cores. I'll add that the best way to manage music is through playlist. I pick albums to sync via playlists on my Focus. Remove an album from the playlist, add a few more, whatever, makes it easier than manually syncing. I also set up auto playlists for recently added and recently favorited music.
GPS, I used the new flavor of Bing Maps and the direction assistance. Pick a destination, it picks the route. The screen goes into a split mode with the upper half a map auto rotating with current direction and the lower half with the next waypoint. Double tap the screen for audio assistance telling you distance, street name and direction. Once you execute the correct turn, the phone confirms you're on the right path with a ding. Just double tap the screen again for the next step spoken to you. Very easy to do while driving with a level of interaction that keeps you on course with out nagging. I loved it.
Single core:
and
512 MB of RAM:
My HD2 runs winmo 6.5 much better than my friend's captivate runs android. Winmo was much leaner and faster (though prone to locking up) and WP7 takes after that, but never locks up. Winmo also uses roughly 150-180MB leaving an excess of memory... my friend is anal retentive about ending processes on android and I don't remember exactly how much, but he always has significantly less memory available than me. WP7 also inherited this good trait. Honestly, the only drawback is I don't think you can play 1080p video with only 1Ghz, but with the wvga resolution that isn't something worth doing anyway.
No SD Slot:
Kind of annoying, but aside from media, my SD card is otherwise entirely filled with cabs and exes and apks... tools not yet available for use on the titan/wp7. The reason there is no SD expansion is because by locking down the file system size they were able to increase performance. If you invest in a larger data plan and the zune market / get the zune music pass, media storage isn't really a concern. You could even set up a home server and just stream your music, or set up playlists on youtube and get the metrotube app, which can load youtube playlists and it still plays the audio from videos while the phone is off (think: music from youtube).
Screen Resolution:
Since there is no HDMI out, resolution is a non issue. WVGA is fine, there is no stretching or pixelation, you'd never even know it was wvga from looking. This saves space as well, as you don't need to waste space with HD videos; if you properly convert all your videos, you save a lot of space and lose no quality.
Beloved TomTom: Garmin has an app, there are other apps, and there are apps to come. Bing works fine. I really don't see the difference between tomtom / garmin or other major brands: they both work fine and those who like one over the other are generally nit picking extremely irrelevant features, or had one bad experience with one and now unfairly judge it as nonfunctional.
WP7 is a new OS, and for a new OS it's doing very well. Android SUCKED when it first came out, but has grown quite well. WP7 will do the same, in both updates and through here, with the hacking / dev community. The base for WP7 is still windows CE, and technically it can support winmo 6 stuff, technically we can do everything we used to on our old winmo phones... when someone hacks that ability in
Here's hoping we can still dual boot with android in some years
original_ganjaman said:
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Am I misreading this, or is the moderator of the Titan forum not a Titan owner, not even a Windows Phone user?
Wow. That explains so much.
YES you should make the jump! Love my Titan...not sure Android will ever be as smooth and efficient as WP, no matter how much processor and RAM you throw at it.
This device’s brilliance isn’t limited to the hardware either. Windows Phone Mango is really, really good. Nearly nothing about Microsoft’s OS works anything like iOS, while still feeling very fresh and accessible. It’s exactly the opposite of the way that Android normally feels, which is an uglier and slower version of iOS.
Speed is one of the biggest pitfalls that befall Apple’s rival operating systems. Time after time, touch is proven the biggest reason that iOS feels better to use.
At first, people blamed it on specs, or types of touchscreen. But now that phones are all coming with dual-core processors saddled with blazing GPU’s powering mutitouch tech that is potentially just as good as what Apple is running, it’s a different story.
There is simply no excuse for any mobile device not to scroll, zoom and navigate smoothly any more. Period.
It’s crazy to me how many Android devices still fail this simple test, dramatically. The Lumia 800 is a different beast. With a 1.4GHz CPU, underpowered by most modern standards, the scrolling and zooming experience is absolutely flawless.
Menus scroll and flow with well-timed inertia, pinch-to-zoom is brilliant in the browser as well as in apps like Bing Maps. It really is a first class interaction experience that is matched only by the iPhone in terms of smoothness.
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From http://www.thenextweb.com/microsoft...device-that-would-make-me-give-up-the-iphone/
drokkon said:
Am I misreading this, or is the moderator of the Titan forum not a Titan owner, not even a Windows Phone user?
Wow. That explains so much.
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You have not misread, i am not a Titan owner let alone a WP7 user. I have gone through a few OS's now, Theming and developing for them. As of yet i have not tried WP7 (but that might well change)
As of the second comment, it is not helpful. If there is anything i have done that you are not happy with, please feel free to point it out. I try my best to keep everything nice a tidy and keep everyone happy, the great users here in the Titan forum help me out, which i am most grateful for. I do put my time into this free of charge, Its all for the love of this great forum.
Anyway, i am here to moderate not to help with the device itself.
For most of thing i have seen, i think you should have bought the Sensation XL. It is Titan in Android, have almost everything you listed.
But personally, when i chose Windows Phone 7 for another 2 years, i have already kept the idea of no other mobile-based OS. Everyphone got its own optimized hardware for the OS it uses. I would prefer my Titan has the Metro UI instead of a custom build HTC Sense 3.0 .
original_ganjaman said:
You have not misread, i am not a Titan owner let alone a WP7 user. I have gone through a few OS's now, Theming and developing for them. As of yet i have not tried WP7 (but that might well change)
As of the second comment, it is not helpful. If there is anything i have done that you are not happy with, please feel free to point it out. I try my best to keep everything nice a tidy and keep everyone happy, the great users here in the Titan forum help me out, which i am most grateful for. I do put my time into this free of charge, Its all for the love of this great forum.
Anyway, i am here to moderate not to help with the device itself.
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Give WP7 a try. It might surprise you. I enjoyed flashing ROMs, testing versions of Sense, battery life issues, glitches, incomplete features, app launching, instability, ...wait... no I didn't.
WP7 is the only OS on the market. The others are app launchers with afterthought to social networking and notifications. Metro UI is clean and efficient while still delivering plenty of info with out launching an app.
I used to moderate message boards back when I was an editor and reviewer for a tech site. It isn't easy, so much respect.
HalcYoN-Fuze said:
Give WP7 a try. It might surprise you. I enjoyed flashing ROMs, testing versions of Sense, battery life issues, glitches, incomplete features, app launching, instability, ...wait... no I didn't.
WP7 is the only OS on the market. The others are app launchers with afterthought to social networking and notifications. Metro UI is clean and efficient while still delivering plenty of info with out launching an app.
I used to moderate message boards back when I was an editor and reviewer for a tech site. It isn't easy, so much respect.
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I am most tempted by WP7. Just waiting for my ideal phone. Thought it might be the titan, but the lack of a SD slot is a real issue for me. But i am sure the twelve gig you get is fine for a lot of users.
Thanks for the support. It is much appreciated.
Peace!
original_ganjaman said:
You have not misread, i am not a Titan owner let alone a WP7 user. I have gone through a few OS's now, Theming and developing for them. As of yet i have not tried WP7 (but that might well change)
As of the second comment, it is not helpful. If there is anything i have done that you are not happy with, please feel free to point it out. I try my best to keep everything nice a tidy and keep everyone happy, the great users here in the Titan forum help me out, which i am most grateful for. I do put my time into this free of charge, Its all for the love of this great forum.
Anyway, i am here to moderate not to help with the device itself.
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You're totally right. I didn't mean any offense - you're doing a bang-up job, and this Titan forum is great.
I confused this forum with the generic WP7 forums, in which EVERY thread devolves into a WP7 vs. Android debate. It's tiresome to the point of being entirely counter-productive.
As a moderator, do you think you could talk to the "powers that be" and request a few things?
First off, not all of the WP7 devices, 2nd gen specifically, have their own forums yet, even thought they've been on the market for a while now. Focus Flash and Focus S users are left to post in the 1st gen/original Focus forum. Here's a list of WP7 devices.
Also, the drop down at the top of every forum screen that says "Devices by OS or Manufacturer" only has Android and "Windows Mobile" listed as OSes. If you click on the latter, the Windows Phone devices appear at the very bottom of a tediously long list of old WinMo handsets. It would be more efficient (and more CORRECT) if the "Windows Phone" OS were split from the "Windows Mobile" OS.
Sorry to hijack your thread, and my apologies once again for my counterproductive comment. I don't have much experience with Android, but my thoughts on the Titan specifically may be found here.
I switched from HTC Desire to Titan yesterday. So far so good Everything looks and feels nice and fancy
original_ganjaman said:
I have created this thread after asking this question in a different thread. drupad2drupad suggested i create a thread and sticky it. I agree, thought it might be useful to others. Hope its helpful.
I used to always use Windows phones (back in the days of WM6.5), but the draw of android tempted me. Now i am considering a returning to the the land that is Microsoft. The titan looked like a really good bet for me, but i had the following concerns:
Single core: I know microsoft says there is no real need for dual core phones, but a friend of mine has got a sensation XE, and compared to my desire HD, it flies! Even though my desire is clocked at 1.8Ghz the sensation is running stock 1.5Ghz x2. Can WP7 be that different?
512 MB of RAM: This seems pityfull in todays phones, my old HD2 that! Does WP7 have better memory management than android?
No SD Slot: This is just plain criminal, i have a 32 Gig card and its almost full! Adding a slot could not add that much to the price/Bulk of the device.
Screen Resolution: That lovely big screen was a major attractant to me, But 480x800. 640x960 is becoming the norm with screens nearly a inch smaller in size.
Beloved TomTom: This is more of a general WP7 Gripe. I used TomTom with my old WM6.5 devices, it is hands down the best navigation software. I know android has no TomTom but this would get me back to windows handsets in a flash! I use sat nav for 3-4 hours a day at work, mostly in rural places. Nothing matches TomTom for accuracy or re-routing. Come on TomTom, sort it out!
Please don't take any of this as criticism over the phone. I was seriously tempted when the titan came along. Just me venting my thoughts.
Sorry if i hijacked the thread, just seemed like a good opportunity to ask.
So the big question is, to stay with android or run with WP7?
Have you or any other WP7 users got any thoughts on that?
Regards
Your friendly HTC Titan Moderator
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1) and 2)
HTC Titan is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast !! ^_____^
I understand what you are saying. I had doubts too ...
1.5 Ghz and 512Mb of Ram grants on titan the faster smartphone I experienced so far.
3) Here you have a point. I would have appreciated an SD slot too. I didn't see any Windows Phone 7 with SD card so far. Could this be a way to fight piracy ? (to force people using zune to trasfer files? really dunno).
4) Trust me, the screen is amazing, you won't argue about resolution or anything else every time I turn up my Titan all that I think is "WoW!!"
5) There are several alternatives to Tom Tom. Some are free, some are not, some are 'hidden' ... I hear strange voices in the wind whispering " ... use nokia drive ... "
Microsoft of nowdays keeps on giving us high quality products ...
So : YES, buy a Titan over any Android and enjoy the experience
dragonide said:
1) and 2)
HTC Titan is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast !! ^_____^
I understand what you are saying. I had doubts too ...
1.5 Ghz and 512Mb of Ram grants on titan the faster smartphone I experienced so far.
3) Here you have a point. I would have appreciated an SD slot too. I didn't see any Windows Phone 7 with SD card so far. Could this be a way to fight piracy ? (to force people using zune to trasfer files? really dunno).
4) Trust me, the screen is amazing, you won't argue about resolution or anything else every time I turn up my Titan all that I think is "WoW!!"
5) There are several alternatives to Tom Tom. Some are free, some are not, some are 'hidden' ... I hear strange voices in the wind whispering " ... use nokia drive ... "
Microsoft of nowdays keeps on giving us high quality products ...
So : YES, buy a Titan over any Android and enjoy the experience
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I used a Samsung focus. You could add a MicroSD to it. We were effectively able to upgrade both of our Samsung Focus' with a 32gb MicroSD card. The phones had 40gb of memory. Very nice. Be warned though, that when you try to remove the card and reset the phone, the MicroSD card is locked and cannot be used by anything else, EXCEPT your Windows phone. Yes, it locks the MicroSD card so that it cannot be read by any other device.
drokkon said:
You're totally right. I didn't mean any offense - you're doing a bang-up job, and this Titan forum is great.
I confused this forum with the generic WP7 forums, in which EVERY thread devolves into a WP7 vs. Android debate. It's tiresome to the point of being entirely counter-productive.
As a moderator, do you think you could talk to the "powers that be" and request a few things?
First off, not all of the WP7 devices, 2nd gen specifically, have their own forums yet, even thought they've been on the market for a while now. Focus Flash and Focus S users are left to post in the 1st gen/original Focus forum. Here's a list of WP7 devices.
Also, the drop down at the top of every forum screen that says "Devices by OS or Manufacturer" only has Android and "Windows Mobile" listed as OSes. If you click on the latter, the Windows Phone devices appear at the very bottom of a tediously long list of old WinMo handsets. It would be more efficient (and more CORRECT) if the "Windows Phone" OS were split from the "Windows Mobile" OS.
Sorry to hijack your thread, and my apologies once again for my counterproductive comment. I don't have much experience with Android, but my thoughts on the Titan specifically may be found here.
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Firstly apology accepted, no hard feelings and thanks for the positive feedback
On the first part of your question, i do agree with you the forums are not up when the phones are available. I have had many problems in other forums because of this (Focus S being one of them). But with the sheer number of devices that get released at one time, its hard to keep up and know which ones will be popular. There is a thread somewhere explaining it, but i cant remember where i read it now, sorry!
The second point is a difficult one, i do tend to agree with you. But what about the other builds of android? They could be thought of as different OS, So we get a Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Ice Cream Sandwich (not counting the ones before that) So the OS list might get a little complicated. And before you shoot me down saying there not different OS's. Other Android users might totally disagree. Its all a balance of keeping everybody Happy. As i said i personally agree with you, but not so sure others would.
What i will do is post your comment in the MOD section. See what sort of comeback i get and let you know.
Thanks for your feedback and if you have any more questions/issues, please feel free to ask i will do my best to sort them.
Glad you are enjoying the HTC Titan Forum
PEACE!!
rvbarton said:
I used a Samsung focus. You could add a MicroSD to it. We were effectively able to upgrade both of our Samsung Focus' with a 32gb MicroSD card. The phones had 40gb of memory. Very nice. Be warned though, that when you try to remove the card and reset the phone, the MicroSD card is locked and cannot be used by anything else, EXCEPT your Windows phone. Yes, it locks the MicroSD card so that it cannot be read by any other device.
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I did read about the locked SD card. Sounds like locking you down to zune is what microsoft wants. Not a massive issue, i would assume its still easy to use zune to transfer your music/video?
original_ganjaman said:
I did read about the locked SD card. Sounds like locking you down to zune is what microsoft wants. Not a massive issue, i would assume its still easy to use zune to transfer your music/video?
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transferring through zune is very easy and i love the interface, i wish it would be faster though...
there are solutions for unlocking the sd card. the most common one is to format it using a nokia symbian phone. there is also an app made by xbmod which unlocks the sd card but i don't know if it works on any device. i used it on my htc hd2 running yukixda & xbmod's "back to the future" wp7 rom.
however, unlocking the card won't give the ability to transfer usable files to the phone. the wp7 partition has a special format type which cannot be read (yet). unlocking the sd card is necessary if you want to:
- partition your sd card and use part of it as removable storage space. again, this was made possible by xbmod on the hd2.
or
- replace it with another one and transfer the wp7 partition to the new card. also, you will be able to delete the wp7 partition from the old card and format it to be usable again on another device.
Ok so I should be getting my Titan by the End of Next Week and am curious about the Navigation on the phone. With my Android phone all I have to do is cache some of the maps zones using google maps than I can turn off data completely and just have the GPS chip work it's magic. So I guess the question is does the built in maps do this on WP7 and is there a way to completely turn off Data and only have Wi-Fi running so I don't run into overages as I cannot afford a higher tiered plan than the 200mb one. If not I will most likely wind up selling the phone or returning it as I cannot have my Data running my bill through the roof.
try turn by turn nav. You can cache your route at home over WiFi before you set off
Hello people,
I have an HTC TP2 on which I run FRX07.1 XdAndroid but it is extremely slow (or maybe perhaps now we have been habituated to expect faster responses with the latest Ghz Processors). I think if it was directly on the phone it would be faster.
So is there a way that rather than booting windows first and running haret.exe , we can put this FRX (or something that is faster) directly in the mobile instead of windows. All I need to run is Viber and WhatsApp.
I have tried the Gingerbread of the same XdAndroid and that is even slower.
I have read a lots of posts and I am completely lost, just can't understand what, where and how
Apologies for being such a noob.
Thanks.
huzefa_from_kuwait said:
Hello people,
I have an HTC TP2 on which I run FRX07.1 XdAndroid but it is extremely slow (or maybe perhaps now we have been habituated to expect faster responses with the latest Ghz Processors). I think if it was directly on the phone it would be faster.
So is there a way that rather than booting windows first and running haret.exe , we can put this FRX (or something that is faster) directly in the mobile instead of windows. All I need to run is Viber and WhatsApp.
I have tried the Gingerbread of the same XdAndroid and that is even slower.
I have read a lots of posts and I am completely lost, just can't understand what, where and how
Apologies for being such a noob.
Thanks.
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I know how you feel; I'd kill for a TouchPro2 style keyboard on the latest crop of HTC/Samsung smart phones but we're in the minority so I'm guessing a good physical keyboard are over...I had FRX71 installed on my Rhodium, currently I have NRGZ28's EnergyROM which is excellent by the way and i was looking at selling my Rhodiums with a NAND install of a stable Android OS variation and was asking myself what is a good ROM for the device. The device is slower than the current models for obvious reasons but I was using CoPilot Navigator on my as a GPS device and an emergency backup should I need to. It's going to kill me to part ways with them...best phone I've ever used from the practical sense of what a phone is. I must admit the HD2 spoiled me...what that device can do is simply amazing for what is now a 4 year old device.
huzefa_from_kuwait said:
Hello people,
I have an HTC TP2 on which I run FRX07.1 XdAndroid but it is extremely slow (or maybe perhaps now we have been habituated to expect faster responses with the latest Ghz Processors). I think if it was directly on the phone it would be faster.
So is there a way that rather than booting windows first and running haret.exe , we can put this FRX (or something that is faster) directly in the mobile instead of windows. All I need to run is Viber and WhatsApp.
I have tried the Gingerbread of the same XdAndroid and that is even slower.
I have read a lots of posts and I am completely lost, just can't understand what, where and how
Apologies for being such a noob.
Thanks.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2049567
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1965459
All I have to say to the OP - the phone is old. Try a different SD card - you want one with the fastest random read/write performance.
Let the phone settle once you boot. If the phone is trying to multitask - IE pull in contacts / calendar / etc from Google, it will be SLOW. C'est la vie, the SoC is ancient when the device was released.
Thank you a lot for your replies.
I have tried the guide by wizardknight however I am stuck and will post the question in that forum regarding it.
Thanks Again.
Yes it turned out to be an incompatible card.
I changed my old 4gb card with a 2gb one, and I tested by booting both FRX and GBX from this card and its much (actually much much) faster.
Thanks.
huzefa_from_kuwait said:
Yes it turned out to be an incompatible card.
I changed my old 4gb card with a 2gb one, and I tested by booting both FRX and GBX from this card and its much (actually much much) faster.
Thanks.
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I successfully NAND installed OGBX on my Rhodium using a 16 gig and a 4 gig SD card and don't get me wrong, what you folks have done is simply amazing but there too is reality and we all know we're never going to see the Rhodium form factor again and that's a shame because the keyboard just made that device a dream to use. It's too slow. That said, I still possess three of them; one verizon wireless and two - T-Mobile; I run NRGZ28's EnergyROM on all of them now and run CoPilot Nav on all of them as GPS devices. As you see from my signature I own a Windows Phone too and as I get ready to move my wife permanently to the upcoming HTC One (M7), it's stunning that every program that supposedly won't run on WP7.x runs on Windows Mobile 6.5...Skype, Pandora...both to this day run on my Rhodiums. I own an HD2 too and currently have NRGZ28's EnergyROM Android on it and was blown away as to how eerily similar it was to his WM custom roms and that's all I wanted; I can't stand that generic interface every Android device has. I want my devices to look gorgeous and he delivers. All that's left to do is to decide whether I will sell the Rhodiums with Android on them or not. It's a damn shame the form factor isn't in the current crop of new devices.
Hello XDA, I don't often venture out of the branded device forums so here goes nothing.
I have chronic nerve damage in both of my arms (primarily right arm which is my writing hand). I am going back to school this year and the pain seems to be getting worse. The most painful thing for my arm is without a doubt writing, and I am filing for a 504 plan to allow me to use some other method of typing besides writing.
So there's the back story, now here's my question.
I need a device (not necessarily android, but a tablet is one of the main contenders) that can give me a solid writing experience (keyboard or bust, a keyboard cover/accessory will suffice, but NO on screen typing), offer an all day battery life, is portable and easy to store, and can also double as a media device. I am sort of on a budget, but am already in the market for a tablet so I'm willing to spend some extra $ on this. 600$- maybe $800, preferably less obviously.
Note, I probably won't have internet access during school, so DRM is out of the question.
So here are the candidates.
Chromebook - don't know what the stance on DRM is for these nowadays, but I would love a Chromebook as they are cheap, have nice typing experiences, and have great battery life. Again, if anybody can pitch in on DRM for the Chromebook that would be great. All I need for school is a writing supplement so a word editing software will work fine. I'm also aware that you can install Ubuntu on a Chromebook and Ubuntu has the libro office.
Android tablet - I love android, and was very close to buying the new shield tablet a few weeks ago. I'm glad I didn't because that device doesn't have many solid accessories currently, but a device like the nexus 7 probably does. However, the writing programs on android are really lackluster and don't offer the precision of a real laptop
Surface tablet - this one is kind of a long shot, but if for some reason the school requires a windows os (which could be possibly) I would choose this over a standard laptop because it doubles as a tablet.
Cheap windows laptop - this one is self explanatory, a cheap run of the mill windows laptop would type fine, but would be dead useless to me outside of school and I already have a laptop (a Toshiba satellite that is massive and has a terrible battery life) for home. Also the tablet would probably be slow and have a terrible battery... and yeah, windows.
So there you go. Thank you for reading this, this is very important for me right now as starting school again has out me in a tremendous amount of pain from writing, and I would love to find a solid supplement that meats all of my goals.
Thanks,
William
Does anybody here have a keyboard accessory for an android tablet that they could recommend?
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Hi,
I'm sorry I don't have any answer to your question, but since you're on the topic of typing and nerve damage, I thought I'll let you know about the Typematrix keyboards (http://www.typematrix.com/) that offer physical, ergonomic-layout keyboards such as Dvorak, Colemak and BÉPO, which are all designed to ease the pain (and up the speed) of typing. Learning to (touch-)type efficiently takes 4-8 weeks depending on the layout and the keyboards themselves aren't cheap (= in the $100-120 range), but if you value your health, I think it's worth it. Plus, the washable silicon skins are über soft and silent as well ! ^^
(I'm not affiliated with Typematrix in any way, but I give kudos when deserved )
wtoj34 said:
Hello XDA, I don't often venture out of the branded device forums so here goes nothing.
I have chronic nerve damage in both of my arms (primarily right arm which is my writing hand). I am going back to school this year and the pain seems to be getting worse. The most painful thing for my arm is without a doubt writing, and I am filing for a 504 plan to allow me to use some other method of typing besides writing.
So there's the back story, now here's my question.
I need a device (not necessarily android, but a tablet is one of the main contenders) that can give me a solid writing experience (keyboard or bust, a keyboard cover/accessory will suffice, but NO on screen typing), offer an all day battery life, is portable and easy to store, and can also double as a media device. I am sort of on a budget, but am already in the market for a tablet so I'm willing to spend some extra $ on this. 600$- maybe $800, preferably less obviously.
Note, I probably won't have internet access during school, so DRM is out of the question.
So here are the candidates.
Chromebook - don't know what the stance on DRM is for these nowadays, but I would love a Chromebook as they are cheap, have nice typing experiences, and have great battery life. Again, if anybody can pitch in on DRM for the Chromebook that would be great. All I need for school is a writing supplement so a word editing software will work fine. I'm also aware that you can install Ubuntu on a Chromebook and Ubuntu has the libro office.
Android tablet - I love android, and was very close to buying the new shield tablet a few weeks ago. I'm glad I didn't because that device doesn't have many solid accessories currently, but a device like the nexus 7 probably does. However, the writing programs on android are really lackluster and don't offer the precision of a real laptop
Surface tablet - this one is kind of a long shot, but if for some reason the school requires a windows os (which could be possibly) I would choose this over a standard laptop because it doubles as a tablet.
Cheap windows laptop - this one is self explanatory, a cheap run of the mill windows laptop would type fine, but would be dead useless to me outside of school and I already have a laptop (a Toshiba satellite that is massive and has a terrible battery life) for home. Also the tablet would probably be slow and have a terrible battery... and yeah, windows.
So there you go. Thank you for reading this, this is very important for me right now as starting school again has out me in a tremendous amount of pain from writing, and I would love to find a solid supplement that meats all of my goals.
Thanks,
William
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Hi Dude
i guess there is many options to choose since the market is huge
i would suggest something like this : 10.1 Inch Tablet Pc Intel Atom Baytrail-T Z3735D 1.33Ghz Quad Core DDR3 2GB SSD 32GB Dual Cameras Ultrabook Win8 it comes as a tablet that you can attach to a base (proper qwerty keyboard and stand) 32gb storeage about $400
or this : samsung XE500T1C windows 8 Quad-core is equipped with a keyboard Bluetooth/WIFI *same kind of a deal but 64gb storage and more slick and "known" device about $600
and if you feel that you might need more than that here : Intel Core I5 + 4G DDR3 + 128GB SSD+ Bluetooth+3G * this one is about $730
also since u have one m8 you can have look at the app i use for documents WPS Office: PPT, DOC, XLS, PDF
and here u have a solution in case you would like to get any other tablet SEARCH FOR TABLET CASES WITH KEYBOARD
all these links work but i mainly gave them as examples since you might be able to get them devices locally/cheaper
I still don't get why people think the memory has anything to do with 64 v 32. I have never heard a person ever say "oh you machine is laggy because you have a 64bit machine and not enough memory." until I found this sub-forum. The iPhone/iPad have had 1-2GB of RAM and not had any huge performance issues while being 64bit.
There are memory issues, that's it, nothing to do with it being 64-bit or not. 3GB MAY "fix" the issue, but that would really just mean the machine would go longer until it started to show symptoms. The nexus 5 and 6 had LOTS of memory issues on Android 5 and no one ever said "it's not enough memory" and not being 64bit hardware they couldn't blame that, because it worked fine on 4.X. We have no 4.X to compare with, so everyone just wants to blame 64 bit when really, it just needs more software fixes that Google isn't spending time on.
If anything having a 64bit CPU just means the CPU can work harder and faster, even if it was running 32bit software. I know that not many developers ahve latched on to the n9, but i would NOT be surprised if a few clever ones could figure out what is actually causing the memory leaks/aggressive paging. For example on my n6 it is using about 4-500MB less ram, just to to Android OS and Google App. There is nothign about being 64-bit that means the Kernel needs over 2x's the memory usage. Something is making it keep memory instead of releasing it. I am not smart enough to know what that "something" is, but I'm sure someone that develops and has an N9 is smart enough and can file a bug report for it that we can all upvote.
If there are any current open bug reports for memory usage on the n9 please link them to me, I will gladly upvote them. Lets just be clear there is no reason to suspect this is anything more than a software issue.
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Here is a bug report i found of the problem, if more people could Star it then it can get up the priority list.
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=175232
People like to blame the 64bit OS because the switch does make processes consume slightly more memory. If implemented poorly, a 64bit OS can eat up a lot more RAM. Windows XP 64, any Itanium based system and many early x64 Linux distributions come to mind.
Somehow Android OS on my N6 averages 220mb, while it's 800+ on the N9. Because the N9 is 64 bit, that change seems to be the obvious culprit. Clearly, the N9 didn't ship with enough RAM based on the OS memory use as somehow the N6 has 3gb for an 220MB OS footprint and the N9 has only 2mb, despite an OS that eats almost 4x the memory.
Switching to a 64bit OS should make the CPU, RAM, etc. all run 'faster', but if there's not enough RAM to hold running software, the experience will slow down as more processes need to be shuffled in and out of RAM. Look at what happens to a computer when it 'runs out of RAM'. The constant game of musical RAM chairs will more than erase any gains from switching to 64 bit.
In my mind, there is no question that SERIOUS problems exist with this device. The fact that this is one of the first 64bit Android devices is almost definitely a contributing factor, but the slightly reduced efficiency of how 64bit memory is allocated can in no way explain the problems with the devices. Something MUCH deeper is going on. Based on some research, here is what I've learned.
1: Some part of the OS is using an obscene amount of memory. Some of this is probably Google's fault because 64 bit Android just wasn't ready. I'm also pretty sure nVidia and HTC are more to blame for this issue than Google.
2: There's still not enough RAM. If the N6 has 3GB, there is no reason why the N9 shouldn't. Most tablet users run more memory-intensive
3: HTC built a bad device. I've had cellular issues with VZW & ATT which have been discussed in these forums and are obviously HTC's fault. I've also read about there being some hardware issues causing the ram to 'freeze' which required a replacement device.
4: nVidia's hardware sucks. More accurately, their x64 bit implementation of the hardware.
5: Graphics: I BELIEVE THIS IS THE GIANT ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM OF ISSUES. The nVidia Shield has similar hardware with a standard HD screen. The N9 has a different aspect ratio and a lot more pixels. The horrible application switching lag even with relatively low memory use (a process that is still taxing on the GPU) makes me think this is the main flaw of the device. This problem could also make the OS eat more memory to make up for the OS issues. A graphics issue would be everyone's fault. Google is to blame for insisting on this change when the other hardware just couldn't support it properly and choosing partners incapable of delivering the hardware to properly support the screen. nVidia and HTC to blame for not providing sufficient hardware and software support for the screen.
In reality, I think several factors combined to produce this issue. The components of the system were designed primarily for 32-bit implementations of Android. 64-bit support was baked into them, but it wasn't the focus of the components. The device itself was probably designed before 64-bit Android was even available to test properly. Because the pieces looked like they should fit together on paper, everyone just assumed they would. Unfortunately,for some components the fact that they could run in 64-bit mode, didn't mean they would run well.
x64 gets blamed because it is unknown. The average user has no idea what it means to have a 64 bit platform vs 32 bit. IMO x64 is unneeded unless you're mapping 4gb or more RAM and doing a lot of computations with large numbers.
There is most certainly a memory penalty since the os must run 64 bit code and likely have a vm of some sort to run all the existing 32 bit stuff. In windows this is obvious as you have program files and program files (x86) folders as well as windows\system32 and windows\syswow64 humorously the former is the 64 bit subsystem and the latter is the x86 subsystem. This is why you should plan ahead when architecting your applications and not name your folders poorly.
All that said, I have an htc m9 in addition to the nexus. The m9 is also 64 bit and has no issues. Not an apples to apples comparison since it is a Qualcomm processor with 3gb of ram and less pixels but it should indicate that 64 bit android is not the problem in and of itself.
Thanks guys. 64-bit apps should use at most 15-20% more RAM compared to their 32-bt counterparts, simply due to the fast that 64-bit assets are larger. The issue we have is that in cases like Android OS, using over 120% more memory than on a 32bit device. It also for some reason seems at times to feel like the GPU is taxed and it definitely should not be. So either the GPU drivers are buggy or the GPU memory is very limited. Luckily much of this is improved on 6.0, but there are still issues that need to be addressed in the OS itself.
Because saying "I do not know why my Nexus 9 performs poorly" is boring. Jumping to conclusions is much more exciting and dramatic.
knitler said:
Thanks guys. 64-bit apps should use at most 15-20% more RAM compared to their 32-bt counterparts, simply due to the fast that 64-bit assets are larger. The issue we have is that in cases like Android OS, using over 120% more memory than on a 32bit device. It also for some reason seems at times to feel like the GPU is taxed and it definitely should not be. So either the GPU drivers are buggy or the GPU memory is very limited. Luckily much of this is improved on 6.0, but there are still issues that need to be addressed in the OS itself.
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I suspect you are right that there are driver issues. Sadly our only recourse is to wait on nvidia/htc/google to rectify the issue.
Don't know what it is but 6.0 is not what I expected. Jerky , slow loading and very unpleasant to use. Have never rooted or rommed. Don't think I should have to. Did a FDR, no improvement. Have to constantly clear app cache and system cache to make it tolerable. Hoping for some relief from Google
Android 6 on my stock nexus 9 has brought every task switch of any kind to a near unusable lag. 4 to a full 20 seconds is the norm now. In fact, just about every response to user action in every app has this problem now. I've got almost nothing except Google's apps, many of which I don't use, but still have something running.
The tablet is now a paper weight, almost. The delays make it unusable, as you can't tell whether an interface action didn't "take", or is just laggy.
I did this as an update. Should I just wipe and reinstall clean? If so, where do I get the necessary files and instructions?
Thanks for any insight.
Black Friday buy, feeling I'm going to return it, two days in and I can see the issues already
dislplin01 said:
Black Friday buy, feeling I'm going to return it, two days in and I can see the issues already
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Welcome to the Lagsus 9 owners club [emoji6] Did it ship with latest android version, or did you ota update?
rolldroids said:
Welcome to the Lagsus 9 owners club [emoji6] Did it ship with latest android version, or did you ota update?
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It had to update, actually had like 7 different updates, I'm pretty sure I'm returning it I'm really unimpressed and most of it is hardware issues that can't be fixed, lack of ram, light bleed, ****ty power and volume buttons, not exactly the thinnest lightest tablet. Don't get me wrong its a nexus and I do like it, but I don't plan on buying another tablet for at least three years and if I'm already feeling a little unhappy
dislplin01 said:
It had to update, actually had like 7 different updates, I'm pretty sure I'm returning it I'm really unimpressed and most of it is hardware issues that can't be fixed, lack of ram, light bleed, ****ty power and volume buttons, not exactly the thinnest lightest tablet. Don't get me wrong its a nexus and I do like it, but I don't plan on buying another tablet for at least three years and if I'm already feeling a little unhappy
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I wish I would have returned it, but haven't because I thought they were fixing the memory leak. And after fixed it turned out that all other Nexus devices do well but not the n9.
Feel free to try my ROM if you're unsatisfied with what Google has done with stock.
NYCHitman1 said:
Feel free to try my ROM if you're unsatisfied with what Google has done with stock.
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Does it have lower system ram usage? There are people (like me) who want just use their device as a normal user and get ota updates and not flash the device manually every few weeks. It's very nice that you are sharing it anyway!
Everyone try first "safe mode" on Nexus 9 for 3-5 days to see if this app or hardware problem!
Press and hold power button
pres and hold "power off" option
then choose OK.
If problems gone (lag, resetting) then do factory reset without backup, install app manually not all at once from backup. It helped mine Nexus 9
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rolldroids said:
Does it have lower system ram usage? There are people (like me) who want just use their device as a normal user and get ota updates and not flash the device manually every few weeks. It's very nice that you are sharing it anyway!
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I think you'll be happy. Popular quote that people often use is:
You have breathed new life into my Nexus 9.
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With that said, it's entirely possible to flash one build and stick with it for however long as you wish. When you do decide to update, you simply create a backup, "wipe", and flash the newer build with some gapps. Something to keep in mind here is that Nexus devices were created to be fiddled with. If you aren't fiddling, you aren't getting the full experience. It is a developer's device, after all. :highfive:
If this is a road you do decide to travel down, just be sure to do a lot of reading and understand what you're doing prior to doing it.
NYCHitman1 said:
I think you'll be happy. Popular quote that people often use is:
With that said, it's entirely possible to flash one build and stick with it for however long as you wish. When you do decide to update, you simply create a backup, "wipe", and flash the newer build with some gapps. Something to keep in mind here is that Nexus devices were created to be fiddled with. If you aren't fiddling, you aren't getting the full experience. It is a developer's device, after all. :highfive:
If this is a road you do decide to travel down, just be sure to do a lot of reading and understand what you're doing prior to doing it.
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It's a normal end user device, too. And for me the only choice. Don't like apple products at all. Don't want to buy a device and then not get updates. To be exactly, I want to know before I buy and not hope that Samsung, lg or whatever are so friendly to update. And, I don't like the modifications they do to the UI. So for me there is no other than Nexus. But I don't want this special fiddling experience. (For now. I will probably install a ROM on my Nexus 7 2012 some day)
According to this document
https://01.org/android-ia/user-guides/android-memory-tuning-android-5.0-and-5.1
64 bit indeed increases ram usage a lot...
I also have the impression that this is rather an issue with the Nvidia chipset or the general hardware design than with the system being 64bit.
This morning I had a very LOL moment when I read the Google Pixel C review of The Verve:
>>The specs are also huge: 3GB of RAM paired to the latest Nvidia X1 64-bit processor. That all seems good, but something is amiss with performance on the Pixel C. There are inexcusable pauses and latency, especially when launching and switching apps. <<
http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/8/9869980/google-pixel-c-tablet-review-android
So the problem still seems to be out of control. Too bad.
There are many threads about the Nexus 9 and memory issues but I have yet to see any reports of specific analysis of the issue on a problem device. I've had no memory issues with the Nexus 9, 7, 7(2013),5 and Asus tablets. I seen no evidence that there are hardware differences between Nexus 9's (except the pre release version tested for FCC emissions had a Miracast chip) and I believe it is down to the apps that users run. In support of this opinion:
Resets are recommended to clear the issues.
Google state at Investigating Your RAM Usage Although Dalvik and ART perform routine garbage collection (GC), this doesn’t mean you can ignore when and where your app allocates and releases memory. In order to provide a stable user experience that allows the system to quickly switch between apps, it is important that your app does not needlessly consume memory when the user is not interacting with it. Has anyone with memory issues looked at the recommended tests at the link above?
The quality of apps published. Anecdotal evidence (I hope it's wrong) that publishing an app on Google store can be done in 30 minutes but Apple requires "days". I've never owned an Apple product I'm just saying that to me, not a software developer, that the compliance standards imposed on the software tested may allow bad coding to slip through.
Specifically, I'm curious about the RAM since there isn't much info about the minimum requirements about ram.
A little background info:
I have bought myself a second hand laptop, a Thinkpad R61. I plan to use it as a portable workstation (sort of) since i can't carry my desktop anywhere I want, obviously.
The CPU is a Core2 duo t7700 2.4 GHz, and i plan to keep it. The hard drive is a 5400rpm 160gb hdd, which is going to be replaced with an ssd. The ram is difficult to decide, though. I have 2 gb ddr2 right now, and I can shove in 8 gb max but that's expensive. I'm planning to go for 2+2 kit, but i don't know if that's enough.
I don't care if the compilation will take a long time, i just need to know whether 4 gb total is enough.
Oh, and keep in mind that budget is tight. Thanks.
A T7700 is probably going to take a very long time. Even building a kernel on a Q9500 was over an hour in 2013.
Get the RAM if it's very cheap or free, but I'd honestly save the money and put away to buy a newer laptop.
In the long term you'll get a far better result.
You may honestly be better off looking at building on a remote machine. Several places (such as Amazon) will let you create a VM that you can connect to and run remotely. As long as you don't go crazy on that you may even be able to get that for free. If you can get that, far better to go that route and saving your hard earned cash for a new laptop.
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A T7700 is probably going to take a very long time. Even building a kernel on a Q9500 was over an hour in 2013.
Get the RAM if it's very cheap or free, but I'd honestly save the money and put away to buy a newer laptop.
In the long term you'll get a far better result.
You may honestly be better off looking at building on a remote machine. Several places (such as Amazon) will let you create a VM that you can connect to and run remotely. As long as you don't go crazy on that you may even be able to get that for free. If you can get that, far better to go that route and saving your hard earned cash for a new laptop.
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Yeah, using a cloud service is what I am thinking lately. I think I might benefit from the uni's agreement on Azure, if there is such thing.
The laptop is fine actually despite it's age, the classic thinkpad keyboard is great, the whole thing is usable with win8.1 x86.
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