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Am I understanding this correctly? I need to post 10 times in General or Q/A before I can post in Development thread?
I don't have any Q/A posts to create other than this and I don't have any general questions.
All I wanted to do was post to a thread that the Kernel is running great and no issues so far.
The only question I have is the following:
Should I post then new posts that are useless to get my count up
or
Post back to this thread I created 10 times?
I am leaning toward the latter but before I do I want to make sure I do not get anyones panties in a bunch. If this is an issue I'll just leave it as is and stick to reading.
If you just wanted to thank the dev who made the kernel, you could always just click the thanks button.
Kaze105 said:
If you just wanted to thank the dev who made the kernel, you could always just click the thanks button.
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Well yes but wanted to report my success and setup as well.
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From my understanding of this forum, this isn't like other forums where you would post all questions and comments that are related to development in the development section. Since this is xda-DEVELOPERS they seem to assume that all questions are going to be related to development.
So all regular comments go in the General section, and all Questions go in the Q&A section. I believe they want you to post in the dev section only if you are developing something (a kernal, a rom, a mod like CWM).
If you want to report success on a specific rom or kernel, couldn't you just hit "reply" in the thread for that kernel? That's what I usually do.
Also, this will probably keep you from getting griped at by lots and lots of wannabe moderators (in addition to the real moderators).
Yea I know how u feel I'm on number 4 I think so this will be 5 half way there.
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tysdad08 said:
Yea I know how u feel I'm on number 4 I think so this will be 5 half way there.
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What all are you looking to post in the Dev section anyways?
lane32x said:
From my understanding of this forum, this isn't like other forums where you would post all questions and comments that are related to development in the development section. Since this is xda-DEVELOPERS they seem to assume that all questions are going to be related to development.
So all regular comments go in the General section, and all Questions go in the Q&A section. I believe they want you to post in the dev section only if you are developing something (a kernal, a rom, a mod like CWM).
If you want to report success on a specific rom or kernel, couldn't you just hit "reply" in the thread for that kernel? That's what I usually do.
Also, this will probably keep you from getting griped at by lots and lots of wannabe moderators (in addition to the real moderators).
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You can't POST, not just not make new threads.
lane32x said:
What all are you looking to post in the Dev section anyways?
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Just if I have a question I would like to post it there so I could be seen by people that are on those threads.
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tysdad08 said:
Just if I have a question I would like to post it there so I could be seen by people that are on those threads.
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Questions belong in Q&A. Questions/problems on a specific ROM/KERNEL/MOD in the development forum belong in the thread related to what you have the question/problem with, not in a new topic. The development forum is for releases of stuff only, along with discussion in the same thread about said releases.
thanks for the clarification. one of these days i will get my 10 post in to thank all the hard working developers
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Questions belong in Q&A. Questions/problems on a specific ROM/KERNEL/MOD in the development forum belong in the thread related to what you have the question/problem with, not in a new topic. The development forum is for releases of stuff only, along with discussion in the same thread about said releases.
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That's what I want to do I can't ask a question to the kernel threads until I have 10.
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Ask in this forum and someone will help, am sure.
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Same here I was going to post in the developers kernel thread to provide feedback as it was new and they look for feedback.
This rule I can understand for new posts but for replying to existing posts I don't understand other than the fact you get a lot of people that post in wrong places all the time. However this will happen with this rule in place or not as they can reach ten posts pretty quickly.
Either way just found it an odd rule. Some forums do a "you must be a member for X days before you can post". This rule allows new members to do reading before they just start posting all over the joint. That one I understand.
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Same here I was going to post in the developers kernel thread to provide feedback as it was new and they look for feedback.
This rule I can understand for new posts but for replying to existing posts I don't understand other than the fact you get a lot of people that post in wrong places all the time. However this will happen with this rule in place or not as they can reach ten posts pretty quickly.
Either way just found it an odd rule. Some forums do a "you must be a member for X days before you can post". This rule allows new members to do reading before they just start posting all over the joint. That one I understand.
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Devs do check out the Q/A and general section too, so you dont have to post in their thread if you have a problem.
One good thing regarding the 10 post is that people wont post a thread with a question in the development section. A lot of people who accidentally post there says that their question has to do with development, and so they decided to post there instead of Q/A or general section. If people with a lot of posts still does this, by accident or not, imagine how much work mods will have to do if anyone can post there and is new to the forum.
Can someone help with root? I don't have PC but I have netbook with windows. 7starter will that get the job done I'm stuck in 2.1 still
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Can someone help with root? I don't have PC but I have netbook with windows. 7starter will that get the job done I'm stuck in 2.1 still
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Your current computer is perfect for what you need to do.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=948722 Happy reading.
good day.
RE: 10 posts
I guess I should get started. I've been reading the forum for a while but never posted before.
yeah i cant post replys in development section either. this is more up-to-date that DroidForums tho...
Don't worry, this is my second post.
I don't think you can even thank somebody till u get 5 posts. Thank you button is hidden.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_mobile_uffda&num=1
Now I know you're going to call me paranoid....but I have been seeing a progressive shortening of battery life on my device as we progressively move into more advanced custom kernels created by our lovely devs
Anyone care to discuss?
** it has been pointed out to me we are still not this far along in kernels...still an interesting read
Should be in general not development
i only put it here because in "general" this would more directly impact "development", target audience and all.....i suppose they can move if they like, but just so you know, i did ponder that for a minute..
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i only put it here because in "general" this would more directly impact "development", target audience and all.....i suppose they can move if they like, but just so you know, i did ponder that for a minute..
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You know there's no "they". Only mod can move it.
You've just been Fascinated
they refers to the collective known as "the mods"
what the hell is going on around here anyways with the obsession with "posts being in the wrong place"....and by that i dont mean any disrespect, but thats why you have mods, to move to errant thread or two, why is it lately the only thing people want to respond with is, "you should have posted this in ______ section" instead of actually responding to the thread topic....????
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they refers to the collective known as "the mods"
what the hell is going on around here anyways with the obsession with "posts being in the wrong place"....and by that i dont mean any disrespect, but thats why you have mods, to move to errant thread or two, why is it lately the only thing people want to respond with is, "you should have posted this in ______ section" instead of actually responding to the thread topic....????
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honestly if its not a rom/mod release or a legitimate development discussion like "how to build kernels or roms" or something it doesnt belong here..that is all
this isnt to flame at all...and our mod said only the first person to post should say "wrong section" if someone had posted before me i wouldnt have posted it
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honestly if its not a rom/mod release or a legitimate development discussion like "how to build kernels or roms" or something it doesnt belong here..that is all
this isnt to flame at all...and our mod said only the first person to post should say "wrong section" if someone had posted before me i wouldnt have posted it
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I personally think if its a development related discussion it belongs here. Not to say this post has any direct relation to "current development" There doesn't have to be a zip or a side load or a script to be a development related post.
Maybe our development sections (for all devices) should have restricted access to post unless the mods deem the memeber a developer. Read/write and read only type scenario. :-/
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A lot of people seem to care because as we mostly come to this forum to check the latest in rom and kernel development. With so much happening right now with updates coming here is like reading the news headlines. This post where it is, is well more like spam. Also because the battery life issue has been discussed many many times across the board and solutions given have worked for most. also need [] containing the tag of the thread.
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I personally think if its a development related discussion it belongs here. Not to say this post has any direct relation to "current development" There doesn't have to be a zip or a side load or a script to be a development related post.
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fair enough...threads like this without specific aims toward developing/improving our phone just clutter this subforum that frankly the vast majority of poeple come to for roms/kernels/mods..
if this is a linux/android specific discussion then the general android development forum or something...because i dont think this relates to anything that will specifically do anything for our phones
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fair enough...threads like this without specific aims toward developing/improving our phone just clutter this subforum that frankly the vast majority of poeple come to for roms/kernels/mods..
if this is a linux/android specific discussion then the general android development forum or something...because i dont think this relates to anything that will specifically do anything for our phones
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True android general development would probably be more suited... but it is an interesting article and lends some evidence toward my 5 hour tbolt life lol.
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sunder74 said:
True android general development would probably be more suited... but it is an interesting article and lends some evidence toward my 5 hour tbolt life lol.
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I don't own a tbolt but seems to be a lot of talk on the 4g not playing to nice. Think it was acting like wifi when it couldn't get a good 4g connection, trying, failing, reverting to 3g, then repeating. Again don't have one so just repeating what others have said, i'm sure theres lots on the sit in the tbolt forum. Whatever the exact issue is, its most likely centered on the lte radio.
Nice article. Relates directly to the biggest issue of all android devices. Good performance = bad battery. This helps clarify that. KEEP IN ANDROID [email protected]!
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A lot of people seem to care because as we mostly come to this forum to check the latest in rom and kernel development. With so much happening right now with updates coming here is like reading the news headlines. This post where it is, is well more like spam. Also because the battery life issue has been discussed many many times across the board and solutions given have worked for most. also need [] containing the tag of the thread.
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Maybe there needs to be a separate section for "Releases" then if this article honestly really ruined you visit like Spam. Where do people discuss development issues if not in the development section? This section like you pointed out is where everyone comes to get the latest rom or kernel. Seems to me that warrants its own Release section.....oh wait....that's why the mods asked those types of threads to be titled specifically in a format that makes that obvious. Then the discussion threads could co-exist in the same section without being considered "Spam"
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Another good thread ruined by backseat moderators.
Good article.
tonu42 said:
Nice article. Relates directly to the biggest issue of all android devices. Good performance = bad battery. This helps clarify that. KEEP IN ANDROID [email protected]!
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I still fail to see where *anything* is being developed :/
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Syn Ack said:
Another good thread ruined by backseat moderators.
Good article.
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Lol. I was just reading all the responses and thought...wow, they're really talking about the thread being moved for this long.
i dont need a signature
It is a good article and it is development related. Just because its not a rom, kernel zip, script, apk or system dump doesn't disqualify it from the development forum.
(Though android general may have been a better option as stated previously.)
Spend as much time policing your own actions as you do trolling threads like a lynch mob and maybe things will get to the way they used to be on this site.
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Maybe there needs to be a separate section for "Releases" then if this article honestly really ruined you visit like Spam. Where do people discuss development issues if not in the development section? This section like you pointed out is where everyone comes to get the latest rom or kernel. Seems to me that warrants its own Release section.....oh wait....that's why the mods asked those types of threads to be titled specifically in a format that makes that obvious. Then the discussion threads could co-exist in the same section without being considered "Spam"
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Lol I actually like the thought of kernels, roms, mods, odins, radios, and such having there own place. Like keeping up with the latest works here, for other news clips and links I look elsewhere.
Oh, I'm sorry if you think I implied this ruined the forum. Just felt it detracted from it
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It is a good article and it is development related. Just because its not a rom, kernel zip, script, apk or system dump doesn't disqualify it from the development forum.
(Though android general may have been a better option as stated previously.)
Spend as much time policing your own actions as you do trolling threads like a lynch mob and maybe things will get to the way they used to be on this site.
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yeah if there was a "development discussion" section that would be best....as if all the articles available out that could be posted like this to foster discussion ended up in here.......well it would really clutter stuff up
my own personal opinion (and its not worth anything) is that the development section is best served as a release...and discussion of said release...section...i mean thats what 95% of us treat it as...and have been accustomed to having it as such
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dmireles03 said:
What happen to those guys? They saved my life about a year ago. They have to have something up there sleeve for this one. It only took me a few minutes to get fully rooted and have clockwork mod recovery. Good things come to those who wait? I'm tired of waiting. So what do I do? Keep waiting until one of you genius devs to figure it out.
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JFYI this is the dev section, this post belongs in QA or General. Keep in mind for the future because people will give you hell about it.
Why would you create a new thread in the DEVELOPMENT section? Mods please move to GENERAL or delete all together.
FYI OP: There are different sections for a reason.
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Why would you create a new thread in the DEVELOPMENT section? Mods please move to GENERAL or delete all together.
FYI OP: There are different sections for a reason.
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I vote delete. The OP is clearly trolling.
any thread title with 5 question marks should be instantly deleted and op banned
OP obviously isn't in the loop.
AHHHH!!! Unrevoked? Really? You create a thread in the dev section to ask a question and if that wasn't bad enough you ask about Unrevoked! Get outta here with that sh*t...its gonna be a good long while before you get your phone rooted! lmao
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For all we know they may be working on a root method but with the lack of success of Gingerbreak and other one-click root methods I would guess that they, like many others, are having a hard time finding a useable exploit...
We are certainly working on something and will post if and when it's ready.
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We are certainly working on something and will post if and when it's ready.
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Team Unrevoked,
you intrigue me.
-No1ustad.
Why can't you just respectfully answer the damn question and then proceed to having it transferred to the QA section.
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Why can't you just respectfully answer the damn question and then proceed to having it transferred to the QA section.
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Its more fun to pick on people, especially newcomers than to actually help them, or at least it seems that way.
Submitting items in appropriate sections are a damned good thing.....but do people actually give a ratsass about catching "hell" or a threat of getting "flamed" on a freakin' forum?!
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JFYI this is the dev section, this post belongs in QA or General. Keep in mind for the future because people will give you hell about it.
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Amen... lotta forum Jerry Springer types!
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Why can't you just respectfully answer the damn question and then proceed to having it transferred to the QA section.
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I vote delete. The OP is clearly trolling.
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Agreed, takes 10 posts to post in dev section. His 11th post is this crap!
I've been a member here for a long time, but do not speak much as most questions I would have about any of my devices have clearly been discussed.
I also understand where new members would not know much about whats going on at times, but its nothing more than a simple search. I (and all other members new/old) have to search like everyone else. Its really not hard.
Its also believed with the great devs that are doing what they can (and I THANK YOU for that) to get root available for our device. I'm SURE they will have something up (as in a new thread) that they have achieved what we have been waiting for. Its going to happen. Be appreciative that we even have devs that are making the time to find out all that they can. Without them, we'd be in a world of hurt.
Just my .18 cents.
You 'section police' people are fkn pathetic.
Seriously hate coming to this forum now.
"I also understand where new members would not know much about whats going on at times, but its nothing more than a simple search. I (and all other members new/old) have to search like everyone else. Its really not hard."
Of course. No one argues with that.
Its how they're told that.
Members with 5000 posts don't have liscence to be a**holes. They're no more 'valuable' than someone with 1 in terms of basic civility.
And after 1301 posts...this is your offering?! Lol?
I'll take his 11th!
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Agreed, takes 10 posts to post in dev section. His 11th post is this crap!
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You 'section police' people are fkn pathetic.
Seriously hate coming to this forum now.
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Think of "development" like a business...professionalism is important in business, no? There is a job that is being done here.
If you are looking for the tavern take it to General, if you are looking for the visitors assistance center take it to Q&A. This is all spelled out in the rules. If you have no "developing" to contribute to the "development" please take it elsewhere.
Posting non-development related posts is like showing up drunk to work, and your post is like an even drunker guy proclaiming how BS the professionalism is at said business.
I'll shut up now, as this is unrelated to development.
Been working on a build of CM7 - got my laptop back up and running and thought I'd tackle this. Last night I started the build and woke up this morning to this:
make: *** No rule to make target `vendor/samsung/c1-common/proprietary/BCM4330B1_002.001.003.0128.0162.hcd', needed by `out/target/product/galaxys2att/system/bin/BCM4330B1_002.001.003.0128.0162.hcd'. Stop.
Any idea how to get passed this? From the looks of it, I was close to the end of the build process
Thanks I appreciate any help...
Sort of got this resolved. Codeworkx simply stated its an issue of missing proprietary files. Ill have to copy them over which I'm not sure why they weren't in the first place...
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Thread moved to General since there is no Dev work being made here... yet. If you happen to fix your issue and want to make a rom, then start a new thread in the Dev section with a link pointing to the rom.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Red5 said:
Thread moved to General since there is no Dev work being made here... yet. If you happen to fix your issue and want to make a rom, then start a new thread in the Dev section with a link pointing to the rom.
Thank you and have a nice day.
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Debugging a compiler error isn't development? Perhaps the so called development forums are becoming too focused on showing off wares, with little or no attention being paid to actually developing?
At first he was asking a question about decompiling. Since he answered his own questions, I threw it in General. Since he is not offering a rom/kernel/tool then this does not belong in the Dev section.
Thanks I guess.
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Sounds like a developer question to me... perhaps the development forum should be renamed to Roms or something
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Sounds like a developer question to me... perhaps the development forum should be renamed to Roms or something
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Read the sticky in the Dev forum...
blahze9 said:
Sounds like a developer question to me... perhaps the development forum should be renamed to Roms or something
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Exactly, it is a question so it would belong in the Q/A sections not the development section. This stuff isn't new, read the forum rules. Quite simple to understand if you ask me.
The way I see it, its just red's opinion. He sees it fit in here then so be it, his opinion and we just have to live with it. Regardless its still all search able information.
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The way I see it, its just red's opinion. He sees it fit in here then so be it, his opinion and we just have to live with it. Regardless its still all search able information.
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Actually, it is not his opinion, it is xda rules. The only posts in the development boards, are posts discussing actual development. If the post is a question, it has no business being on the development board. Examples of acceptable dev topics:
Release of a new/updated rom
Release of a new/updated kernel
Release of a new/updated hardware specific patch
Release of a new/updated hardware specific app
*Technical * discussion of ongoing hardware /software development (rooting, bootloader, etc). Asking when root wil be available is not technical.
If your title for a post is in the form of a basic question, it does not belong in development, period.
I have to play devils advocate... but with the understanding that I'm doing just that and not really arguing...
I posed a similar question to Red in a PM. If I have a question asking how I can Retro fit Samsung propriatary shared libs into a new program I'm writing, or where I might find headers for those libs, where does that question go? Its certainly technical and development related... it also doesn't seem to fit in the q&a subforum (which doesn't seem to have any dev questions but is more general.)
Yet, its a question, and doesn't belong in the "development" subforum under a strict interpretation of the rules (which seems to say that the dev forum is only used to advertise mods, roms, etc)
Red suggested the q&a subforum. I disagree, but he is a moderator.
Not being sarcastic here, but perhaps we really do need new subforums for posting links to the result of development and allow the development subforums to go back to discussing that and other development. (Or vice versa) long ago when I first joined xda, discussing development was encouraged (and the primary purpose of xda-DEVELOPERS.)
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garyd9 said:
I have to play devils advocate... but with the understanding that I'm doing just that and not really arguing...
I posed a similar question to Red in a PM. If I have a question asking how I can Retro fit Samsung propriatary shared libs into a new program I'm writing, or where I might find headers for those libs, where does that question go? Its certainly technical and development related... it also doesn't seem to fit in the q&a subforum (which doesn't seem to have any dev questions but is more general.)
Yet, its a question, and doesn't belong in the "development" subforum under a strict interpretation of the rules (which seems to say that the dev forum is only used to advertise mods, roms, etc)
Red suggested the q&a subforum. I disagree, but he is a moderator.
Not being sarcastic here, but perhaps we really do need new subforums for posting links to the result of development and allow the development subforums to go back to discussing that and other development. (Or vice versa) long ago when I first joined xda, discussing development was encouraged (and the primary purpose of xda-DEVELOPERS.)
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I understand how you feel and would love it myself but at this point and time with the influx of Soo many non tech minded people that don't know the diff Between a normal question and a development related question that all questions are pointed to the Q&A.
I know there are a lot of talented and knowledgeable people in this forum. Won't somebody please make a better app than TapaTalk? The search function in this app is awful. Search a subject and the every post where the subject is somewhere hidden, comes up. Why did I pay for an app that I have to resort to Google's search engine to do a better job than the app for it's supported forums?
Surely some talented dev, wants to make some serious money?? How often do they update this app anyway?? How many of you guys and gals, do this for free and are constantly working on improving and updating your work?
This app is prime for a take down! The best thing about this app is that makes the forum easier to read on mobile devices. Heck, small businesses get local developers to make a site that will work on smaller screens?
How many thousands of people use this app? I personally don't know anything about the technical side. I do have a good ear for business and I'm hearing ching, ching.
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Thread moved to Q&A due to it being a question. Would advise you to read forum rules and post in correct section.
Failure to comply with forum rules will result in an infraction and/or ban depending on severity of rule break.
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Thread moved to Q&A due to it being a question. Would advise you to read forum rules and post in correct section.
Failure to comply with forum rules will result in an infraction and/or ban depending on severity of rule break.
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You guys are so tough. I thought I was posting in the right section. I was not asking a question, expecting an answer. My intention was to get the attention of people who are experienced app developers. This was directed for someone who is scratching their head wondering, how can I make some serious money, Koush style!
I was sure, I wouldn't be the only one who felt the same about TapaTalk. That app practically has a monopoly of these forums. Having other people either support or disagree, might give developers an idea, if it's worth their time. I thought the Q & A, was for helping out or asking questions.
I was doing neither. I was stating a need in a question format to engage a developer to think of the possibilities. Quite frankly, I think the your threat of banning is harsh. (Sigh!) You might ban me yet!
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justifi said:
You guys are so tough. I thought I was posting in the right section. I was not asking a question, expecting an answer. My intention was to get the attention of people who are experienced app developers. This was directed for someone who is scratching their head wondering, how can I make some serious money, Koush style!
I was sure, I wouldn't be the only one who felt the same about TapaTalk. That app practically has a monopoly of these forums. Having other people either support or disagree, might give developers an idea, if it's worth their time. I thought the Q & A, was for helping out or asking questions.
I was doing neither. I was stating a need in a question format to engage a developer to think of the possibilities. Quite frankly, I think the your threat of banning is harsh. (Sigh!) You might ban me yet!
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OMG, the first rule is search before posting. That's the whole point of trying to get a developer to create a forum tool with a more effective search function! That's it you got me! I'll ban myself from posting here. You all are just too important!
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justifi said:
You guys are so tough. I thought I was posting in the right section. I was not asking a question, expecting an answer. My intention was to get the attention of people who are experienced app developers. This was directed for someone who is scratching their head wondering, how can I make some serious money, Koush style!
I was sure, I wouldn't be the only one who felt the same about TapaTalk. That app practically has a monopoly of these forums. Having other people either support or disagree, might give developers an idea, if it's worth their time. I thought the Q & A, was for helping out or asking questions.
I was doing neither. I was stating a need in a question format to engage a developer to think of the possibilities. Quite frankly, I think the your threat of banning is harsh. (Sigh!) You might ban me yet!
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You are in the wrong place. Developers here are not here to make money. They are here because they love what they do. Second tapatalk is not a bad app. I use forum runner myself. An app doest need to keep being updated. If it works then why update it?
Yes we are tough. This is the worlds leading DEVELOPMENT forum. Not the user forum alot of people think it is.
Awww...Justifi, you are only allowed to break the rules if you are regular or a mod. You should read the fine print on the back of the 3rd page on the rules. Everyone knows that developers that do all they can to break code and contact rules abide by the rules they make with a 2 strike your out mentality.
It's ok...next time you waiver they will fluff themselves up and give you an infraction, he might even explain why in a non robotic voice.
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zelendel said:
You are in the wrong place. Developers here are not here to make money. They are here because they love what they do. Second tapatalk is not a bad app. I use forum runner myself. An app doest need to keep being updated. If it works then why update it?
Yes we are tough. This is the worlds leading DEVELOPMENT forum. Not the user forum alot of people think it is.
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And...not so much any more.
back on topic..
he is right..
Tapatalk search function sucks..
we give newies a hard time for posting the same question time and time again
in a rom yet..tapatalk is one of the prime tools used to access these same forums..
the XDA app has been crap for ages.. so I havent looked back at it.. maybe I need to..
But Search and Tapatalk before you post a question.. null and void..
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I agree D...and if there are other threads with the same topic the mods should close it and not flame it.
zelendel said:
You are in the wrong place. Developers here are not here to make money.
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I prob get a kick for this..
But how wrong is this quote..
There numerous developers of apps spamming across threads to
get their apps used so people will pay for them..
Try going in and bagging them for it and see how quick they flame you..
True most of the rom developers, themers do it for love..
But jezz to step up to the mark with this one has go it to take the cake..
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dgcruzing said:
I prob get a kick for this..
But how wrong is this quote..
There numerous developers of apps spamming across threads to
get their apps used so people will pay for them..
Try going in and bagging them for it and see how quick they flame you..
True most of the rom developers, themers do it for love..
But jezz to step up to the mark with this one has go it to take the cake..
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Ever notice the apps here are for free.
We have stated over and over again. If you are here to make.money then you are in the wrong place.
zelendel said:
Ever notice the apps here are for free.
We have stated over and over again. If you are here to make.money then you are in the wrong place.
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Zelendel, you have been around for a while..so we both know there are a lot of great minds at work on here ..
not driven by any dallor value..Not debateable..
But the facts of this thread is to open debate that maybe' just maybe...
the main mobile forum readers used at present are not as good as they are cracked to be.
tapatalk and even the xda website search functions are not well designed..
They both lead to complancy by posters both mobile and online..
And there is room for improvement..
If this comes from a $$$ driven developer then so be it.. if he had restated it as a bounty..(monetary incentive) I am sure you wouldn't take offence to this
Back to topic, As an example of a good search function on a forum site is on
Hotcopper.com.au,
its a stock site but the accuracy and narrow searches allowed make it a breeze to find current and past posts on topic, stocks, or posters
This should be compared to what is available on xda to see if there could be improvements made..
Also xda could ask the tapatalk developers ever so nicely to look into beefing up their search function..
As you have suggested one to use, I should have a look at it..
I like the mikmik forum reader but as its just linked into theirs at the moment I don't know if they bigger plans for it..
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justifi said:
I was doing neither. I was stating a need in a question format to engage a developer to think of the possibilities.
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It could have been a nice discussion, Justifi.
zelendel said:
Yes we are tough. This is the worlds leading DEVELOPMENT forum. Not the user forum alot of people think it is.
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And yet....without users...where would you be?!
Buddyfunlove said:
Awww...Justifi, you are only allowed to break the rules if you are regular or a mod. You should read the fine print on the back of the 3rd page on the rules.
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Thanks Buddy for your they-probably-won't -admit-it-but-its-true comment. This is why I don't post here.
da2zoe said:
It could have been a nice discussion, Justifi.
And yet....without users...where would you be?!
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The same place we were when it was mostly developers on this site. Remember that XDA has been around long before most users even knew what a smartphone was.
As for the bounty. XDA doesnt like bounty threads.
Check my Sig "noobs best friend" for a search plug in for FF or IE browsers.
As for my comment about being here for the money. This is one of the biggest problems as of late. XDA was made to share info and to help others to learn to do things on their own. As of late too many people are trying to make money using XDA. This is not what we are here for nor is it allowed.
There are plenty of how tos floating around and if the current Forum apps dont do what you want then by all means dig in and learn and make one up. Not only will it be a great learning tool. But you may find that it is fun and become a famous developer. This is what we are here for.
zelendel said:
The same place we were when it was mostly developers on this site. Remember that XDA has been around long before most users even knew what a smartphone was.
As for the bounty. XDA doesnt like bounty threads.
Check my Sig "noobs best friend" for a search plug in for FF or IE browsers.
As for my comment about being here for the money. This is one of the biggest problems as of late. XDA was made to share info and to help others to learn to do things on their own. As of late too many people are trying to make money using XDA. This is not what we are here for nor is it allowed.
There are plenty of how tos floating around and if the current Forum apps dont do what you want then by all means dig in and learn and make one up. Not only will it be a great learning tool. But you may find that it is fun and become a famous developer. This is what we are here for.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with making money from what you love to do. Most people strive for that. I wasn't suggesting that someone open up shop in XDA. We all have to learn from somewhere.
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zelendel said:
There are plenty of how tos floating around and if the current Forum apps dont do what you want then by all means dig in and learn and make one up. Not only will it be a great learning tool. But you may find that it is fun and become a famous developer. This is what we are here for.
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I gotta admit z, if I only read up to your first post, I would have had a whole different take on your comments then from this last post.
I have been trying make my own themes, mods and even write some apps. As a n00b to those areas, it is hard to find information at times, and this site *does* help with that. However, I would consider myself not a developer - far from it, but rather just a user. So this site *is* for users too, as they use what others have posted to possibly become devs/themers themselves someday. This site can really be a sort of school for those interested.
So I'm glad you clarified the earlier remark.
fish1552 said:
I gotta admit z, if I only read up to your first post, I would have had a whole different take on your comments then from this last post.
I have been trying make my own themes, mods and even write some apps. As a n00b to those areas, it is hard to find information at times, and this site *does* help with that. However, I would consider myself not a developer - far from it, but rather just a user. So this site *is* for users too, as they use what others have posted to possibly become devs/themers themselves someday. This site can really be a sort of school for those interested.
So I'm glad you clarified the earlier remark.
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Yeah I can seem to come across a bit harsh at times. I dont mean to be. IT is just soo many people come to XDA wanting to be spoon fed and that is not what we are here for. We are here to help people learn and to become developers themselfs. That is what a developers site is. A great place to learn.
So again sorry if I seem a bit harsh at times.
zelendel said:
Yeah I can seem to come across a bit harsh at times. I dont mean to be. IT is just soo many people come to XDA wanting to be spoon fed and that is not what we are here for. We are here to help people learn and to become developers themselfs. That is what a developers site is. A great place to learn.
So again sorry if I seem a bit harsh at times.
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For those that go deeper and deeper into things...XDA is great..
This age of computing so far has allowed a break away from the locked in
Software systems that we were forced into since really MS took over DOS with windows front ends
I won't even go into apple o/s speak..
Openware/shareware as the apps market now could be termed allows for us the end users direct input
With the developers to push for better products..thus XDA is the medium that brings the two together..
Like it or not at the moment its the worlds premier focal point for this..
So I understand how the purists must be shaking their heads..
Sad but true a lot of talented developers are going back underground, to less known parts of the web to cook
So then it leaves XDA holding the front so to speak..
Its all good and a big thanks to the mods for keeping it semi under control..
Its a jungle out there...
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Fish, "Z", and "Dg",
I agree with all of your most recent post. Now that, I've cooled off a bit :thumbup:. It's also known that techies as whole are not famous for great people skills. This forum is and should be a great place to learn. For the sake of encouraging more people to try to become developers or better developers, XDA could practice a "firm" tolerance. The default attitude should be to guide people to where they need to be, without flaming or threats of banishment right out the gate. IMO, it doesn't feel like that. To make mistakes is part of the learning process.
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orb3000 said:
Thread moved to Q&A due to it being a question. Would advise you to read forum rules and post in correct section.
Failure to comply with forum rules will result in an infraction and/or ban depending on severity of rule break.
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justifi said:
Fish, "Z", and "Dg",
It's also known that techies as whole are not famous for great people skills. This forum is and should be a great place to learn. For the sake of encouraging more people to try to become developers or better developers, XDA could practice a "firm" tolerance. The default attitude should be to guide people to where they need to be, without flaming or threats of banishment right out the gate. IMO, it doesn't feel like that. To make mistakes is part of the learning process.
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+1 Justifi