WM6.5 for HTC Surround
I know it is a little too early to ask this question but here it goes:
Is there a way to flash a WM6.5 custom ROM into the HTC Surround?
WP7 limit the full potential of the HTC Surround's excellent hardware.
No, there is not and I doubt there ever will be.
Not sure if you have even played with WP7, but if you haven't, go give it a shot. I thought it's restrictions would affect me, but I haven't had any problems.
XeNoMoRpH1030 said:
No, there is not and I doubt there ever will be.
Not sure if you have even played with WP7, but if you haven't, go give it a shot. I thought it's restrictions would affect me, but I haven't had any problems.
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I have an HTC Surround since the last couple of days. I'm "upgrading" from an HTC Touch PRO with an Energy WM6.5 Custom ROM.
I'm having a difficult time managing email file attachments, contacts and applications. WM6.5 allowed me to receive and store files in the SD card for future use.
How I store a received email attached file for later use? I don't want to keep the whole email in the inbox just to have the attached file available.
WM6.5 allowed me that, in addition I was able to connect the phone via USB and transfer that same file to any PC. WP7 can't be reconized by PCs.
That is in my opinion a major drawback gattech. I have not found a way to make the phone be reconized by my PC and found alot of people complaining becasue you can't use outlook to back up you contact and such. I would guess this is to stop people from hacking the phone but them trying to keep people from as the android boys would say rooting or the iphone guys jailbreaking is causeing the phone to be lacking a bit. I hope someone can figure out how to do it I like using outlok to keep calander and contacts backedup.
I think you have to use the Zune software for synchronization with PCs
You do use ZUNE and you can only sync with it so music pics and apps I want to put files on my phone and use them when I get to another comp or sync to outlook. When I plug my phone in it does not show up under computer it only tells me in ZUNE that a device is connected. This is a great example of Microsoft wanting to be like apple.
There is a registry hack that you can do that will allow you to throw files on to it. You still need the Zune software I believe, but it should work.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/18/registry-hack-allows-for-direct-loading-of-media-on-windows-phon/
I think if we give this phone/OS a little bit of time the developers will make this an AMAZING device.still pretty much in its infancy.
I agree i would love to see a fully functioning version of 6.5 with sense 2.5. Although slide out speakers seem kinda lame to me. id rather it been a keyboard
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I agree i would love to see a fully functioning version of 6.5 with sense 2.5. Although slide out speakers seem kinda lame to me. id rather it been a keyboard
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still can not violate the rom the phone? I have it in another language ... I hope you will be able to flash .. Not to mention if it is a Windows 6.5, would be very happy
So here's what I'm thinking...
Two days ago I got my nearly free HTC Surround up at AT&T... And so far, I'm so unimpressed that I've gone back to my Topaz.
Stepping up to WP7 from WM6.5 is in reality stepping down for me, because of the complete control that MSFT has kept thus far over the operations of the phone. True, several cracks and unlocking routines have emerged already, but I truely miss the root customization and the ability to do almost anything you want that came with WM6.5. So here's my question:
Is it possible now, or might it be possible, to port WM6.5 over to WP7 devices? I ask this because IMHO, this device has the hardware specs that could only have been dreamed of in WM6.5 phones and unless I'm mistaken, this phone could run WM6.5 flawlessly (In terms of the video, processor, internal storage, etc.)
Is this a possibility? Is there a chance my Surround can find some redemption in my eyes? Thanks in advance, and I hope that Surround users will start/continue to work to unlock the many hinderences of this phone (Donations! )
I'm in the same boat as you. I would love to go back to WM6.5 right now. My wife got me the SUrround when it 1st came out. I have to admit it's been incredibly stable but I can't help but wonder if the hardware will run WM6.5. I would imagine the UI would have to tweaked due to the absence of some hard keys. I really just want internet sharing and voice guided GPS Bing Maps back and I would be happy enough for now.
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I have an HTC Surround since the last couple of days. I'm "upgrading" from an HTC Touch PRO with an Energy WM6.5 Custom ROM.
I'm having a difficult time managing email file attachments, contacts and applications. WM6.5 allowed me to receive and store files in the SD card for future use.
How I store a received email attached file for later use? I don't want to keep the whole email in the inbox just to have the attached file available.
WM6.5 allowed me that, in addition I was able to connect the phone via USB and transfer that same file to any PC. WP7 can't be reconized by PCs.
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Open the attachment, then choose Save or Save As. It then saves a copy to the local phone memory instead of just within the email.
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Open the attachment, then choose Save or Save As. It then saves a copy to the local phone memory instead of just within the email.
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OK, I saved the document in phone memory. I deleted the the original message from the Inbox and Deleted Items folders. Now I want to send that same PDF file to a friend via email. How I do that? How do I attach a PDF file to an email in WP7?
Wingnutt54 said:
You do use ZUNE and you can only sync with it so music pics and apps I want to put files on my phone and use them when I get to another comp or sync to outlook. When I plug my phone in it does not show up under computer it only tells me in ZUNE that a device is connected. This is a great example of Microsoft wanting to be like apple.
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I'm with you Wingnutt54 . Not being able to transfer files and documents from phone to PC and vice versa via direct USB connection is one of the biggest drawbacks of WP7. I "upgraded" from and HTC Fuze (Touch Pro) to the HTC Surround and really miss its flexibilty.
I am an IT Specialist and I like to carry all my files, documents and software handy at all times. What better place to have them than your phone? USB drives get lost all the time but you never lose your phone, do you?
well its mostly impossible
1. no WINCE 5.2 bootloader
2. no wince 5.2 Kernel
3. no wince 5.2 AMSS ( qualcomm virtual machine configuration files ). new hardware revision . amss from HD2 will not work
in the end = impossible
mo3ulla said:
well its mostly impossible
1. no WINCE 5.2 bootloader
2. no wince 5.2 Kernel
3. no wince 5.2 AMSS ( qualcomm virtual machine configuration files ). new hardware revision . amss from HD2 will not work
in the end = impossible
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So, there is no hope for the HTC Surround to be flashed with a custom WM6.5 ROM somewhere in the future?
Looks like I'll sell my Surround and go for the Telstra HTC HD2. Hope they are going much cheaper these days.
mo3ulla said:
well its mostly impossible
1. no WINCE 5.2 bootloader
2. no wince 5.2 Kernel
3. no wince 5.2 AMSS ( qualcomm virtual machine configuration files ). new hardware revision . amss from HD2 will not work
in the end = impossible
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you have tried to use these tools? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884239
gattech said:
So, there is no hope for the HTC Surround to be flashed with a custom WM6.5 ROM somewhere in the future?
Looks like I'll sell my Surround and go for the Telstra HTC HD2. Hope they are going much cheaper these days.
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wm 6.5 ( wince 5.2 ) does not compatible with WP7 (wince 6). at ANY part . os booted different way .. os working different way . in the end ..
1. no kernel
2. no drivers
3. no bootloader
also surround and half of surround ( mozart ) have NEW EXTERNAL TOUCH ( Cypress ) AND EXTERNAL SOUND CODEC ( TEXAS INSTRUMENTS ) hardware. so thats part will require drivers written from a ZERO . which is dead way if you does not have sources or chip papers .
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you have tried to use these tools? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884239
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if you can even personalize .. a breakthrough would be to insert other languages ... I have the Spanish, I'm watching it with the tools that you go ..
If you can, please let me help. "
Greetings
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Hey everyone,
I've been using a WM device for 2 years, a good and old KJAM and now the X7500. As you may have seen in my previous post, I'm going to use the X7500 as a UMPC together with my KJAM. I don't plan to ditch the KJAM, as I'm going to keep using it as my PDA and phone. The main purposes of the X7500 would be browsing (WIFI or HSDPA), watching movies, gaming and maybe some document editing.
I have to say, that I got lost trying searching and reading posts around here, and there seem to be a lot of confusion about many things, so I'm gonna ask some questions that I couldn't find one straight updated answer for. I know that these questions have been asked a lot of times, but as I said, there wasn't any clear answer for them (hopefully there is now).
1. I need a good, fast and reliable WM6/WM6.1 ROM. I don't need many features, just simple and as fast as possible. What do u recommend? By the way, if I flash another ROM will it change my device ID? I have bought a program that is registered to that specific device, and by changing the ID that program won't work.
2. BT mouse. how good does it work with the Athena? Will it slow down the system? Will it work with any program (esp. browsers)? How about connecting a USB mouse through the 4-in-1 cable, would it work?
3. Browser. We have a great device, amazing screen but I feel that no browser is good enough for it. I don't want anything fancy, but I want it to be fast and support tabbed browsing. Opera mini is fast enough, but it lacks an option to browse with XX% zoom out permanently like Opera, Netfront or even IE. All of the above are pretty good by the way, but they are simply too slow. Actually, I don't get that. Why are they so slow browsing with WIFI or 3.5G? Opera mini does the job faster, my desktop with the same connection does it faster, what's causing their lag? I found out that browsing through my desktop with LOGMEIN from the X7500 is even faster (but annoying).
Any browser that will hit the spot? Any way to speed things up?
4. Task manager. I want a program that will give me the multi-tasking capability of a desktop PC without slowing down the device. basically I need instant access to all the open programs in the same way the taskbar works on Windows. If the program will give me the option to choose whether to minimize or close a window, it would be better.
5. Printer. Can I plug a USB printer, or can I use only network/BT printers with the device?
6. Any other tips of-course would me most welcomed.
I hope you had the patience to read all of those questions, and maybe even more patience to answer them. Thanks a lot to everyone around here....
best rom? athena project 3. cannot be beaten. ther's a rule on here where theres no posting of roms allowed except project kitchen. This rom is made by people working all day on it, and a new version is released like every 3 months. because thats how long it takes to make it perfect. Im fairly sure the new one is being released this week. but dont quote me on that.
You named all the browsers anyone would suggest, so I cant really recommend anything.
For taskbar id say use wisbar if you need loads of features and skinnable taskbar along with cascading start menu like real windows, or wktask for just sortof tabbed taskbar. wktask is embedded into the rom I mentioned.
hope this helps
Rory
rorydaredkign said:
best rom? athena project 3. cannot be beaten. ther's a rule on here where theres no posting of roms allowed except project kitchen. This rom is made by people working all day on it, and a new version is released like every 3 months. because thats how long it takes to make it perfect. Im fairly sure the new one is being released this week. but dont quote me on that.
You named all the browsers anyone would suggest, so I cant really recommend anything.
For taskbar id say use wisbar if you need loads of features and skinnable taskbar along with cascading start menu like real windows, or wktask for just sortof tabbed taskbar. wktask is embedded into the rom I mentioned.
hope this helps
Rory
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First of all, thanks a lot for your comment. I don't really understand what you mean by no ROM postings allowed around here. If I want a lighter ROM than Athena Project, and afraid to cook myself one, I'm out of luck? nobody can even publish their cooked versions of the AP ROMs?
There is no rule like that at all.
If you decide to cook a ROM, feel free to post it. The Athena Project do some great work, but they don't own these public forums.
i dont want to argue about it , but if that's the case, then why is there only one cooked rom avalable? plus check the sticky called proj ct kitchen to see where i got the impression that you cant.
Rory
kramerica2 said:
1. I need a good, fast and reliable WM6/WM6.1 ROM. I don't need many features, just simple and as fast as possible. What do u recommend? By the way, if I flash another ROM will it change my device ID? I have bought a program that is registered to that specific device, and by changing the ID that program won't work.
2. BT mouse. how good does it work with the Athena? Will it slow down the system? Will it work with any program (esp. browsers)? How about connecting a USB mouse through the 4-in-1 cable, would it work?
3. Browser. We have a great device, amazing screen but I feel that no browser is good enough for it. I don't want anything fancy, but I want it to be fast and support tabbed browsing. Opera mini is fast enough, but it lacks an option to browse with XX% zoom out permanently like Opera, Netfront or even IE. All of the above are pretty good by the way, but they are simply too slow. Actually, I don't get that. Why are they so slow browsing with WIFI or 3.5G? Opera mini does the job faster, my desktop with the same connection does it faster, what's causing their lag? I found out that browsing through my desktop with LOGMEIN from the X7500 is even faster (but annoying).
Any browser that will hit the spot? Any way to speed things up?
4. Task manager. I want a program that will give me the multi-tasking capability of a desktop PC without slowing down the device. basically I need instant access to all the open programs in the same way the taskbar works on Windows. If the program will give me the option to choose whether to minimize or close a window, it would be better.
5. Printer. Can I plug a USB printer, or can I use only network/BT printers with the device?
6. Any other tips of-course would me most welcomed.
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1) I will suggest PK3.0 as the fastest IMHO, we are waiting the new WM6.1 (4.0 release) The .NET re-designed will improve the speed as is happening in many other ROMs. We are waiting also the results of the Athena Team tuning: wait the WM6.1 may be in the next week.
I have increased the speed using MEMMAID, (www.dinarsoft.com) as mantainance and optimizzation tool. The rom's speed depends only from chef choices for the first start but later is related to many other things. Manteinance is the best way to keep it fast
1b) Device ID changed? may be not, we will see...
2) I use a wired optical mouse and it works just as is supposed to do
3) opera 9.5 is fast, the beta is out and it is finger friendly and fast . Netfront 3.5 is fast too, I chose Opera
4) wktask is part of PK rom, you can download it here http://soft.photoracer.net/docs/wktask_en.html and it does exactly what you need
5) Yes, BT or network, having jetcet print
ROM cooking is free and WELCOMED here!
rorydaredkign said:
i dont want to argue about it , but if that's the case, then why is there only one cooked rom avalable?
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There are a couple of others floating around if you search hard enough.
But the Athena Project roms are so good, everyone seems to use them.
fair enough mate. I have been reading the athena forums for abut 3 months, and never seen any other rom... theres so few posts daily, im sure I would have noticed
Rory
rorydaredkign said:
fair enough mate. I have been reading the athena forums for abut 3 months, and never seen any other rom... theres so few posts daily, im sure I would have noticed
Rory
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This is the 6.1 porting from Kaiser I think.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363542
I think a lot of the browser slowness is down to windows mobile itself. Not sure why. Even the Opera Mini Java midlet is faster on the Symbian OS than on Windows Mobile. Netfront and Opera 9.5 are big improvements on what was available last year though, and Opera will no doubt have a few tweaks before its official release. No Flash or Java add-ons though still
Apparently someone has already managed to play youtube with Opera. Not sure if it is true as he has not responded to request for the cab file yet.
edit: This gentleman gave an update. He had earlier managed to make it work by editing the axobjects.ini file to effect the following changes:
[Shockwave Flash]
CLSID={EB8B5B8E-EDB9-4180-9E2E-F8F1632DC171} #FlashLite RAC;/\\ (M
Alias={D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000} #Flash (desktop)
Description=Macromedia Flash Player 7.0 Y8jt_XD;Z
FileExtents=swf|spl|flv
MIMEType = application/x-shockwave-flash|application/futuresplash I_hAgk 04
FileOpenName=Adobe Flash movie (*.swf)|FutureSplash movie (*.spl)|Adobe Flash Paper (*.mfp)|Adobe Flash Paper (*.flv)
Allow=Url|Embed|Object|Scripts
He had posted some screen capture of his earlier success, but found that subsequently it stopped working mysteriously. Anyway, he also said that he is sure when FL3 (instead of Flash player 7) is avaialble this would work.
The trouble is, will adobe release a FL3 for winmo platform...
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The above works. Make sure you have installed flash player 7 and make the above edit to the ini file.
eaglesteve said:
Apparently someone has already managed to play youtube with Opera. Not sure if it is true as he has not responded to request for the cab file yet.
edit: This gentleman gave an update. He had earlier managed to make it work by editing the axobjects.ini file to effect the following changes:
[Shockwave Flash]
CLSID={EB8B5B8E-EDB9-4180-9E2E-F8F1632DC171} #FlashLite RAC;/\\ (M
Alias={D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000} #Flash (desktop)
Description=Macromedia Flash Player 7.0 Y8jt_XD;Z
FileExtents=swf|spl|flv
MIMEType = application/x-shockwave-flash|application/futuresplash I_hAgk 04
FileOpenName=Adobe Flash movie (*.swf)|FutureSplash movie (*.spl)|Adobe Flash Paper (*.mfp)|Adobe Flash Paper (*.flv)
Allow=Url|Embed|Object|Scripts
He had posted some screen capture of his earlier success, but found that subsequently it stopped working mysteriously. Anyway, he also said that he is sure when FL3 (instead of Flash player 7) is avaialble this would work.
The trouble is, will adobe release a FL3 for winmo platform...
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The above works. Make sure you have installed flash player 7 and make the above edit to the ini file.
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It's very jerky though. Still better off with the flash plugin. There's an application called EMTube on Symbian devices, would be nice to see it on winmo as it allows access to all the youtube Videos at high quality without loading up the browser at all. There's the Vtap application but that always seemed a bit stodgy to me.
On the subject of Fl3.0 you may have a long wait yet - it's still only been integrated into the N95 8gb, don't know what Adobe are playing at with the rollout for this - it was released as a developers' testing package over five months ago, at this rate someone's going to develop a workaround that screws them over: I HOPE AND PRAY!
That's why there was no excitement in my post.It's not really watchable.
I would still prefer to use PIE with TCPMP to download it first then watch it.
Hello,
I have been using the HTC WM6 ROM HERE and its been great. I wanted a basic ROM with no whistles and bows to get used to the device. Mine had the T-Mobile ROM on, nothing wrong with it but the phone dialer and theme are awful in my view. I tried both opera and net 3.5 and both show great promise, but they aren't ready yet. I ended up just getting one of the IE addon's that hanango do, fine for now. interesting to hear about the things you can use through the USB port. Ive been using the universal and stuff like that doesn't work on it. I think I need to go back and read up more!
Take care
Jay
Hello Friends,
Yesterday i got my NEW HTC S740 smartphone! I have to say that i'm really newbie to smartphones but i love this phone!!
I found all the features of the phone and i have to say that i'm very pleased with it! My problem is that i can't - fear to connect the phone to my computer!!
When i insert the cd of HTC in my computer it asks me to download Flash player. I download flash player and then i install it on my computer but i still can't open the cd!! Also i have installed Active Sync 4.5 on my pc! What i wanna ask is, can i connect the S740 on my pc with only Active Sync 4.5 or i have to install the program of HTC (the one i can't find because i don't have flash player)?? How can i fix the problem with flash player?
thanks in advance
My Activesync has probs with Vista
Not sure if this helps but from memory my activesync didnt work with vista and I needed some other syncing software for vista. I found it pretty easy so do a google search on syncing problems here.
I now sync my TYTN2 to my iMac and it works great as the iTunes all come across with no probs.
Enjoy
My friend i have XP! What about the problem with flash player? Why i can't read the cd?
In fact, if you've installed ActiveSync, you don't need anything else from the CD (maybe except User's Guide from the second disk). It contains (packed in Flash animations) just sync programs and few links. Anyway, if so curious, try to explore the CD and run start.exe directly from there...
Working ActiveSync should sit (greyed) now in the System Tray on the right side of the XP's bottom Taskbar. Right click over the icon and choose Connection Settigs... On following dialog first check the box Allow USB Connection.
When you'll connect your Rose to the machine now, it will start working without hassles. If any problems, first check the manual and if lost anyway, let us know again.
Ok i will try to connect with Active Sync!
WOW it worked!! thank you my friend!! Does the cd contain anything else useful?
Not really... Just links to WM 6.1 Home on Microsoft... Have a look there on TotalAccess, they're some freebies avalable.
On little trick for other places - open the connection dialog (as above) again and have a look, if the last box (Allow wireles...) is UNchecked. If so, hanged on USB your Rose will connect to internet trougth PC - it's faster and 100% "free".
And have a look on your built-in mobile favourites on Rose - you'll find a HTC page with few links. One little warning - you'll find there a link to Adobe FlashLiite, which does not work on Rose... Good tip is to check Google Maps application and maybe SkyFire (alternate browser with YouTube support).
As Pocket Internet Explorer tends to ignore WiFi connection, alternate browser is good to have anyway. Another, very solid option is Opera Mini. Just be aware - it's Java application. After installation you'll find it in Java console (it's in Accessories folder).
Enjoy!
thank you me friend for giving me these useful tips! It's really helpfull and will help me understand better my smartphone!!
P.S. How can i see youtube and generally streaming videos on my S740? I visited youtube but i couldn't watch videos!!
Until Adobe will understand, that WM 6.1 Standard has no limitations in that (the FlashLite just denies to install), as far as I know, the only way I see is the SkyFire browser as mentioned above. Just read Privacy statement on their site first, you'd probably not like info they're collecting...
Oh ok! And something last...
I want to buy an extra card because i need more space! What kind of card does it take?? Micro sd or Mini sd?? Confusing!
Micro. Don't be confused, on commercial photos they look the same, because usually sold with adapter in Mini size (micro is then just delivered inserted in the adapter).
Crossfingers with inserting card into the slot as this is only thing which drove me insane on early beginning...
Therefore I would recommend you the largest possible card to avoid a need to change it. As Rose supports the latest standards of SD Cards, you can use any size up to 32GB. Speed of the card isn't really critical - major snail in file operations is Windows Mobile file system. But this is area of little wizardry, because it depends on size, brand etc. With hight probability the most critical operation from this POV is video capturing by built-in camera.
So my recommendation is - don't spend money for useless speed, prefere size (otherwise you'll after few changes of cards in the slot throw Rose against the wall ;-) ). And if possible, just for sure, try to record some video on the card in highest size first directly in the shop and you'll see...
So, what i need is a Micro Sd card 32GB? Right?
Yeap. First word of my previous post...
Obviously, smaller sizes works as well and some (1-2 gigs) are today sold for nothing...
Maybe it's time to open 2nd CD with the manual (promise - no flash, just PDF file). I understand first confusions if somebody meets first Windows Mobile phone and enthusiasm (especially in combination WM + Rose ;-) ) should be supported.
Nevertheless in this stage manual would be faster than me (leaving for single malt "dinner" with friends ).
Ok my friend. Thank you for all your help! I will open the manual!!
Hello I was wondering if WM6.5 can be ran from the SD card and if so How do I do it I am using HTC HD2 running WP7 in Nand with MagLDR 1.12 I have Several Android Version I am Running. I am also Wondering if I can boot Ubuntu on it or if I lost that when I upgraded to WP7 Thx for any and all help
Not yet sir, who knows what the future will brings us.
Tweet from Cotulla :
We (DFT Team) developing several interesting stuffs for LEO, like WM65 running from SD card!
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Its coming
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i really, really, really want this to happen so i can flash android thru nand and run wm6.5 from sd coz i still need my garmin xt from time to time.
Thanks for the post, and the replies. I was wondering the same thing. I've got a really smooth nand of android gingerbread and have only one reason that i need wm 6.5 back. The video recording. Unless someone can fix the instability of the 720p recording for android....
mrmcbill said:
Thanks for the post, and the replies. I was wondering the same thing. I've got a really smooth nand of android gingerbread and have only one reason that i need wm 6.5 back. The video recording. Unless someone can fix the instability of the 720p recording for android....
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You realize that winmo6.5 can't do 720p recording either, right? The only OS that can do 720p recording right now on the HD2 is WP7... not sure if there's any issues with it... I haven't tried or tested yet.
zarathustrax said:
You realize that winmo6.5 can't do 720p recording either, right? The only OS that can do 720p recording right now on the HD2 is WP7... not sure if there's any issues with it... I haven't tried or tested yet.
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Well, I feel pretty uneducated right now with the phone I've had for almost a year. Thanks for the correction. This of course creates a new set of questions. What is the HD2 w/ Windows Mobile 6.5's recording resolution? All I know is, and maybe it's the android rom i'm using, but the recording on my hd2 when it was stock is way better than the recording from the android rom. Now I'm curious if there is a way to fix my issue. I don't need 720p recording. Just the quality that a stock hd2 is capable of. Thanks again!
domon07 said:
i really, really, really want this to happen so i can flash android thru nand and run wm6.5 from sd coz i still need my garmin xt from time to time.
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That´s exactly the reason i am hoping for a SD-WinMo build
I have switched over to Nand Android and do not want to miss it, but i do miss my TomTom with rather new maps for WinMo 6.5.
i too am interested on having the ginger 2.3 nand and on sd the wm 6.5 ( igo and camera quality better)
some new info about this ?
regards
I love to see WM6.5 run on SD card, I missied Tomtom on Window mobile. I have Navigon on HD2 android but TomTom still my favorites of all navigiation.
Patience is the key... running WM from a card poses many more problems and requires a lot more time/effort than getting android to run from a card....
IF, that's an if not a when, the DFT get this working then you wont be able to miss it don't worry
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
t00c00l4m3 said:
I love to see WM6.5 run on SD card, I missied Tomtom on Window mobile. I have Navigon on HD2 android but TomTom still my favorites of all navigiation.
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Yea, that's the reason I kept my WM6.5 as well
Is there a way to install WM6.5 and Android on the same internal NAND? and use a boot loader to choose? My Rafdroid SD build is soooo veeery slow and apparently the speed settings are already built in fast. takes about 5-10 seconds to respond to anything.
domon07 said:
i really, really, really want this to happen so i can flash android thru nand and run wm6.5 from sd coz i still need my garmin xt from time to time.
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I Have the EXACT same situation - only reason I need Windows Mobile on my phone.
The only reason, why I´m still using windows mobile is, because I love windows myphone. It´s soo great. If you are flash the rom again of something fails, you can sync all the contacts, sms and so on.
Some days ago I recieved a mail from microsoft, that the windows mobile market place inclusive myphone will discontinued ...
The market place ends on 15th july and myphone on 7th august this year.
Very bad
But is the global, or in germany only?
Here is the full mail (translated from german into enlish with google xD):
Sry for the not working links, but I´m not able to post real links
Notification for switching off of my phone service and the Windows Marketplace for Mobile website
8. June 2011
Dear Windows Mobile 6.x client,
Microsoft shut down the Microsoft My Phone service for Windows Mobile 6.x. Even the Windows Marketplace for Mobile Web site is shut down. As you may be affected, read the following information.
The Windows Market Place for Mobile Web site is shut down
The Marketplace for Windows Mobile Web site at marketplace.windowsphone.com is from 15 July 2011 no longer available. After 15 July 2011, you can access the Windows Marketplace Web site for Mobile Applications for Windows Mobile 6.x phones or looking to purchase, or even download.
The Windows Marketplace for Mobile on your phone service is still available. You can still applications for Windows Mobile 6.x looking to purchase to your phone and download it.
My phone is switched off
From 7 August 2011 of the My phone is shut off service, and no longer transmit content from phones to my phone service. If you back up your Windows Mobile 6.x phone using my phone, you are affected by this change.
From 7 August 2011, Microsoft will your My Phone Content in Windows Live SkyDrive move. SkyDrive is the free online storage service from Microsoft that allows you to your files, including photos and access Microsoft Office documents and release them to. Contacts, calendar entries, text messages and photos will be moved to you on SkyDrive. Then you can access this content by logging in to Windows Live SkyDrive with the ID that you used to register your My Phone Service.
Other types of content, including videos, music, documents and favorites for you not moved from My Phone in SkyDrive. If you want to keep this content, you must save from my phone service on your local PC.
From 6 October 2011 My Phone, the site is under
microsoft.com/myphone no longer available. As of this date, you can not log in my phone service to your access to the My Phone service saved content. Microsoft will save your My Phone content of one (1) year. If desired, you can be physical copies of your content by 5 October 2012 can be sent.
Get active
For more information on disabling the My Phone service, especially to move your content to Windows Live SkyDrive and how you can store other content on your local PC, please visit the following website:
microsoft.com/windowsphone/myphoneshutdown/MyPhoneArticle-DE.htm
Microsoft wants to make this transition as easy as possible for you. Until then, we would like to thank you for the use of Windows Mobile 6.x.
Your Windows Mobile Team
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@@RON said:
The only reason, why I´m still using windows mobile is, because I love windows myphone. It´s soo great. If you are flash the rom again of something fails, you can sync all the contacts, sms and so on.
Some days ago I recieved a mail from microsoft, that the windows mobile market place inclusive myphone will discontinued ...
The market place ends on 15th july and myphone on 7th august this year.
Very bad
But is the global, or in germany only?
Here is the full mail (translated from german into enlish with google xD):
Sry for the not working links, but I´m not able to post real links
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I got the same notice here in the US. They are shutting it all down. I realize they are trying to push WM7, but it angers me that they don't maintain WM6 support for several years, like they did with XP.
ndamianou said:
I Have the EXACT same situation - only reason I need Windows Mobile on my phone.
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domon07 said:
i really, really, really want this to happen so i can flash android thru nand and run wm6.5 from sd coz i still need my garmin xt from time to time.
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Some reason for me, Garmin is best for me and I like to keep it. I am hoping one day Garmin will support Android.
I just tried Papago for Android, it is not as good as Garmin. Far behind!
Any new news? WinMob 6.5 on SD would be nice.
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Any new news? WinMob 6.5 on SD would be nice.
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+1 This would make things more interesting... esp. for WP series
eagerly waiting for it
I am looking for a Smartphone with a particular form factor, the form factor is shared by the P3600, the Aria & the HD Mini. I have the 3600 but it is time to upgrade
I’ll be honest I’d rather get a HD Mini than an Aria, but I want to stick with Tel$tra and Next G is on 850 Mhtz,
So Aria it is.
Now looking at the ups and downs of this proposition it looks like it will do everything I want out of the box (Give or take a bit) the only concern is the ability to run apps from the SD which doesn’t appear to be available until upgrading to 2.2.
If I want the phone unlocked and free to do as I say, I obviously can’t go downloading a carrier specific Rom, so need either a factory default or Home baked number.
So… What Android 2.2 ROM is available that is as close to the Unlocked factory default as possible? Or can you download the Unlocked Factory Default from HTC direct (I have tried and failed)
You're looking for gene Poole's liberated 2.2.2 or attn1 fr008.
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You're looking for gene Poole's liberated 2.2.2 or attn1 fr008.
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You want Gene Poole's Liberated 2.2.2
Also, how and where are you getting your phone?
Most of us (it seems) in this forum got our phones when they were running 2.1 and we were able to easily root them with unrevoked. People who have gotten the Gratia or warranty replacements recently with the official 2.2 system in place have not been able to root.
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I am looking for a Smartphone with a particular form factor, the form factor is shared by the P3600, the Aria & the HD Mini. I have the 3600 but it is time to upgrade
I’ll be honest I’d rather get a HD Mini than an Aria, but I want to stick with Tel$tra and Next G is on 850 Mhtz,
So Aria it is.
Now looking at the ups and downs of this proposition it looks like it will do everything I want out of the box (Give or take a bit) the only concern is the ability to run apps from the SD which doesn’t appear to be available until upgrading to 2.2.
If I want the phone unlocked and free to do as I say, I obviously can’t go downloading a carrier specific Rom, so need either a factory default or Home baked number.
So… What Android 2.2 ROM is available that is as close to the Unlocked factory default as possible? Or can you download the Unlocked Factory Default from HTC direct (I have tried and failed)
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Thanks for that mtnlion. I thought this was my last hurdle but then I considered the implications of syncing outlook contacts and calendars… It appears that you need a third part application to do that. FFS why can’t someone port WM6.5 to the Aria HW? It would make life so much easier.
Is it time for me to start learning to cook ROMs?
Thanks for the update stoneship. So it isn’t all as easy as it seems on the surface. SOD…
Maybe I just have to cross my fingers and hope that HTC keeps supporting the small form factor and wait for there next round of releases, and hope something fits.
I haven't used it in quite awhile but I'm pretty sure the HTC sync software will sync outlook and calendar when you plug in your phone.and there are apps on the market also.
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Thanks again mtnlion, but this still leaves me with the issue highlighted by stone ship that some systems won’t let you root break them and put on non official ROM images. The Aria as a solution is so close I can taste it… But I am just not confident it is going to be without issues.
Ahhh Screw it… I have bought one… How much trouble can it be???
Well... after rereading your post it seems that you may not be aware of this.
The phone you purchased will most likely (if new) come with software preinstalled from the factory that will prohibit you from rooting it via software methods.
You will need to send the phone to someone else to downgrade it for you. Then you can root it and install the software above.
Hope that made sense, I'm running on fumes... :-/
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Ahhh Screw it… I have bought one… How much trouble can it be???
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Cross your fingers that you got one with 2.1 on it so you can root it easily. If not I can point you to someone who can s-off it for you.
The Aria is a great little phone and once you get things sorted out I think you will find you can do what you need with it. Syncing outlook contacts and calendars should not be an issue either through activesync or HTC sync regardless of official or cooked rom.
You say Active sync or HTC sync??? Does that mean that M$ Active sync can sync with an Android device? That would be weird.
The device is advertised as unlocked and 2.1 As long as it is unlocked then I am good even if it is 2.2 I don’t expect to need it rooted in the immediate term, though I do expect I am going to have to hack around a little to get the Audio on my Cardo Scala headset sorted (it doesn’t support A2DP) so I may be eating those words in short order.
Though in the words of the great tosser Jeremy Clarkson… “How Hard can it be?”
Seeing I am asking these questions I may as well outline the Bluetooth issue I have and see if any one can shed any light on the Android solution.
As I said in my previous post my Bluetooth headset doesn’t support A2DP, so to get music playing on it (or get GPS spoken directions) I need to perform a couple of hacks
The first one is to combine the stereo channels so on my Windows mobile I do this by applying the following to the registry.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\A2DP\Settings]
"UseJointStereo"=dword:00000001
The second (And more important) is to change the Bluetooth channel behavior which is done by making the voice command attribute do nothing (remove the path of the executable) and keeping the channel open for an indefinite amount of time (VoiceCmdDuration being a large number)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\OEM\VoiceCommand]
"LaunchApEnable"=dWord:1
"VoiceCmdDuration"=dWord:15180
So… In Android, what files do I need to tweak, and how do I need to tweak them to achieve the same results?
Thanks
Well I now have my aria in my greasy little hands, and for better or worse… It has 2.2 loaded.
Starting to sort my way through the maze of setup now…
Patience.
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The Limitations of Android are really annoying. (Unrooted)
I can’t Leave the device Synchronizing and also copy files back and forth (I Can in WM5)
I can’t copy files directly to the device only to the SD Card (I Can in WM5)
I can’t access the SD card from the device while I am accessing it from the PC (I Can in WM5)
I can’t edit configuration files to alter how it interacts with things such as Bluetooth (I Can in WM5)
I can’t store resources such as ringtones on the device, only on the SD card (I Can in WM5)
I can’t control the phone from my desktop computer such as MyMobiler (I Can in WM5)
And these are just the limitations I have found in 3 days when comparing it to a 6 year old Operating system.
And because it came pre installed with 2.2 I can’t root it…
It really appears that if it isn’t rooted it is pretty F#$ked.
Android is not really designed to be synchronized over USB. Yes, you can do it, and HTC makes a program for it specifically, but I suggest abandoning that habit and getting used to wireless syncing instead. The only reason I ever connect my phone to a computer is to copy a file, and even then I sometimes choose to do it with Dropbox instead, or send the link to the phone through ChromeToPhone.
Even if you don't want to use Google Calendar/Contacts as your primary calendar/contacts manager, you should be able to set up Outlook on your computer to synchronize with them. I don't personally use Outlook so I can't say what the best method for doing this is, but perhaps someone else can chime in with a suggestion.
As for the SD card, I don't think there is really any significant disadvantage to storing files on the SD card. Assuming you just leave your SD card in the phone, what's the difference? Some Android phones do have internal memory you can use for copying files to though.
As for the bluetooth issue, yes, that sucks. Good luck finding a solution for that if one exists.
Well An Update…
My Blutooth issues are managed by this app
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.bedoig.BTmono_Donate&feature=search_result
It is O.K. But does have a nasty habit of rebooting the device if you don’t shut it down properly before disconnecting the bluetooth connection.
It still doesn’t allow me to initiate actions from the headset other than picking up calls, but at the end of the day this is all I require.
After my torrent of negatives I have found a few starters for what Android is doing better…
When you mount the SD card to the computer it is fully available, you can read & edit files not just copy to and from (I Can’t in WM5)
Once you throw a file manager on the device it browses UNC paths well
Though It does appear I am getting some really weird $hit happening with my Outlook calendars.
And I have noted that I can’t have different screen timeout behavior dependent on weather it is plugged in or not.
If I could have the best of WM, and the best of Droid, I would be a happy little camper.
just curious if anyone switched back to WM6.5 after trying android on HD2 ? any particular reasons ?
After being an exclusive Windows Mobile user from the Pocket PC days in 2001, I tried Android on my HTC HD2 with great fear and trepidation. After 2 months i am VERY satisfied with Android and can't imagine ever going back.
Good luck with your decision.
never left WM, just run android on SD card
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I only tried one rom, it didn't work that well, and I hated not being able to customise it how I liked.
I absolutley hate sense/titanium/spb mobile shell... none of them work as well as my setup, I have my phone doing exactly what I want, when I want, and everything I use or need to see at all times is on my today screen. No other UI can currently give me that.
Every OS upgrade has brought less usability at the expense of 'looking nice', I hate having to go through multiple screens to do something as simple as turn on bluetooth and start a media player, one click for me and it's done. Same for many things.
I tried American Android on my HTC HD2. Battery life on all android sucks, so I am back on WM6.5. I am very sad Microsoft switched to WP7 after 6.5 is so cool.
Android must take care of battery management before releasing OS as now it just ruins the pleasure of Android OS. My WinMo6.5 lasts more than 4 days on one charge. I wanna see Android doing this
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I only tried one rom, it didn't work that well, and I hated not being able to customise it how I liked.
I absolutley hate sense/titanium/spb mobile shell... none of them work as well as my setup, I have my phone doing exactly what I want, when I want, and everything I use or need to see at all times is on my today screen. No other UI can currently give me that.
Every OS upgrade has brought less usability at the expense of 'looking nice', I hate having to go through multiple screens to do something as simple as turn on bluetooth and start a media player, one click for me and it's done. Same for many things.
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I particularly like Spb Mobile Shell. But if you've got something that works better for you than it does, I'd be interested to know what that might be. Can you tell me what makes your WinMo 6.x work so well for you?
FWIW I've never tried Android and don't anticipate doing so for quite awhile. Same for Windows Phone. I have too much invested in Windows Mobile Apps to move off it, especially since they do what I need them to do so well.
I came from using the original HTC Touch for nearly 4 years with WM6.5 and promptly went to try Android when I first got my HD2. The 2 most important thing to me on my phone is the email client and the web browsing. I couldn't get used to the native email app or K9 in Android and came back to WM6.5 for about a week.
I then took the dive to go to WP7 Mango and I love the email integration there. The web browsing is not very nice and Microsoft pushing the use of Bing is very frustrating, but the browser itself is decent. So while the battery life is absolutely horrible in WP7, it can still get me through the day on light usage.
So, I tried coming back to WM6.5 but there certainly are many things to like about the current generation operating systems. WM6.5 just feels sluggish comparatively because everything seems several more clicks away for me. There are various things I miss though. Apps I had purchased are a big one, but I can live without it for now. The other is the task manager. The automatic task management concept is a nice idea in Android but I like quick access and control over it (something ICS possibly has addressed). WP7 its not an issue for now because non-native apps don't run in the background.
Overall, I think you at least owe yourself to try Android since it can run alongside WM6.5. Give it a real shot because there are only going to be more and more things that are available to current gen OS that won't be ported to WM6.5
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I particularly like Spb Mobile Shell. But if you've got something that works better for you than it does, I'd be interested to know what that might be. Can you tell me what makes your WinMo 6.x work so well for you?
FWIW I've never tried Android and don't anticipate doing so for quite awhile. Same for Windows Phone. I have too much invested in Windows Mobile Apps to move off it, especially since they do what I need them to do so well.
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I guess that to me the essence of these new OS, and SPB Mobile Shell is that it puts form over function, to perform any action with those requires a lot more effort than it does with how I've set my phone up, it also seems to work slower.
For a start, I have on my Today Screen the things which I want to use or see most often. SPB Diary, easy today launcher, and alarmToday. I also use wkTask task manager for the tabs. My two soft keys are also customised, one runs WM5NewMenu (which is also run by long hold of the send key), the other runs a script I made with mortscript which closes all open programs, and resets the system settings to my default preferences, such as screen orientation and brightness.
In my WM5NewMenu popup menu, I have shortcuts to all the other things I use most frequently, such as messaging, not to open my inbox, but to open a text or email with the person I'm sending it to pre-defined. So for example if I want to text my wife, it's only 3 clicks from any screen. Note that WM5NewMenu is as quick as pressing right click with your mouse on your desktop, and each submenu is just as quick. I also backup my PIM data every day automatically have a script which sends it via email to myself, so if I have lose my phone or have to hard reset and my storage card get corrupted (or any other worst case scenario) I'll never be without the information I really need.
I also have google mobile in the launch menu, a couple of scripts to start/stop my media player, which will turn on bluetooth, allow me to connect my headset, then set the volume to maximum, offer a playlist selection and then lock the screen etc.
There are quick links to toggle WiFi and BlueTooth and start menu (the hardware buttons are too low for one handed use). I have one which opens my file explorer (apparently missing on WM7) to my IE favourites folder, and after I pick one it will close the file explorer again.
My lock screen is customised with the slider exactly where I find it the most comfortable to use, and the message is my phone number, in a different font, so I can show people easily when they ask and I've forgotten it.
A few other things without dragging on forever -
A Script which programs my work schedule into my diary with as little as 2 clicks for each day's work.
And I don't profess anything but a superficail knowledge of other OS, but the ability to use the same .LNKs and parameters as on my PC is extremely useful. For example, I can make a .LNK to the messaging .EXE, and include any or all of the following, To, CC, BCC, Subject, Content, and attatchments. Examples of use can be if you text the same thing each day, like 'I'm on my way home' would take a maximum of four clicks to send from any screen.
A coreplayer link which also sets the sreen brightness to max.
A lot of my .LNKs have different icons to the default program's
I've removed as much of the HTC customisations as I could find out how to, such as the HTC messaging.
I have a basic keylogging system in place (not a true keylogger, but it logs every time I use any program) so I can check when I did things. This sounds really anal or obsessive but, for example, it's usefull for when I take a break at work and forget when I started my lunch hour, I can just check what time I turned my phone on.
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Gastaroll said:
I tried American Android on my HTC HD2. Battery life on all android sucks, so I am back on WM6.5. I am very sad Microsoft switched to WP7 after 6.5 is so cool.
Android must take care of battery management before releasing OS as now it just ruins the pleasure of Android OS. My WinMo6.5 lasts more than 4 days on one charge. I wanna see Android doing this
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I have an external battery charger and have often managed to deplete one battery before the other has been charged, but this is while watching a film with a bluetooth headset and the screen brightness at maximum.
Tried Android on HD2 & native device, HD2 soon went back to WM6.5.3 because:
-Better battery life & charging control
-Customization of WM is unbeatable
-Every icon, position, text, background can be what I want
-Fast access to all daily tasks (wifi,tethering,BT,SIM switching,email) all handled within 1 or 2 touches & all status easily viewable
-Better Asian language support
-Better Language suite applications
-Better Office applications
-Excellent Video & music players.
-OS file system is easily handled & integrates & shares better with my Notebook files.
-Stability of my WM custom rom is faultless & backup/contact/file integration to Windows applications I use are not wanting replacing due to cost & time of setup.
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How do you do that? I haven't checked, but does Coreplayer have command line options that will allow you to start with max screen brightness?
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How do you do that? I haven't checked, but does Coreplayer have command line options that will allow you to start with max screen brightness?
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mortscript.
I thought that might be it. I haven't messed with mortscript for a couple of phones now. I once wrote a long script I used to report on calls, minutes and data, but it's been awhile.
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u can always boot Android from SD card and be certain that it won't mess up your WM...i've successfully ported gingerbread, froyo, honeycomb and ics on my HD2 and i'm very satisfied...have fun!
though, NAND versions are faster, more stable and have better development
no , but we wish that we can boot wm6.5 from nand / dual boot winmo and android like wph7 and android in that way maybe we boot winmo because i miss some apps there
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When I able to do this from my HD2 on android will switch on it until then wm 6.5 is my love hehe. Stupid microsoft and metro sh...t!!!!!!!!
Do not want to miss my tethered sync with Outlook
rabilancia said:
After being an exclusive Windows Mobile user from the Pocket PC days in 2001, I tried Android on my HTC HD2 with great fear and trepidation. After 2 months i am VERY satisfied with Android and can't imagine ever going back.
Good luck with your decision.
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I keep with WinMo6.5 because I want to do everything locally. I just don't like the buzz about putting everything on third party servers and airtime communications.
My mails are on my own servers and those of my company. When I sync my mails& contacts I use only my own electrons flowing through my private USB cables.
Neither Apple, nor Google, nor Microsoft need to know what I am doing, who i have as contacts and where I curently am located.
Additionally I am traveling frequently abroad and don't want to pay horrid sums per MByte on roaming fees.
I don't like androids behavior to start applications without asking me and there is no way to stop that, so I will keep using WM. Suck it android!
Yes and No
I got my phone in July 2010 and loved it. Battery life was bad and a lot of tweaks had to be done (thanks XDA). I got the courage to flash a custom WinMo rom by November 2010. Heard so many things about Android and tried it in 2011 and hated it. It was still shabby with Gingerbread and I missed Microsoft Office on the phone and exchange services. I ran back to WinMo after some days and didn't look back.
The world seemed to pass by and with no interest in Winmo, app development ceased (except here). WP7/7.5/8 just looked like a giant leap backwards and never tickled my fancy. Blackberry was a no. Iphone seemed overpriced. Ubuntu not out yet. That left Android, the most like the WinMo we all love. I don't like being stuck in the past, and my phone will be changed as soon as I see a decent one. The great phones now are all android. Why not seize the opportunity the HD2 afforded us to try everything?
Feb 2013, I flashed Android on NAND with Jelly Bean 4.1.2. It really has matured as an OS and I found out the best things about my Winmo UI are almost all incorporated into the ROM without much modding/tweaking. Since then, I have been happy with the phone. It can once again do things 95% percent of phones can't do. Battery life is still bad, thanks to Google syncing the lives of millions needlessly.
I really prefer avoiding storing personal information on Google servers like someone noted. There should always be options for offline methods as a backup. Maybe I am getting old and should follow the trend?
This ended up quite long, but bottom line is Android on my HD2 is a necessary step in the evolution of technology for me. Thank you and God bless.