I just went to the ATT store to test drive the Atrix and it is literallylike 1/2 mile from my home...
The Icon showed H+, but the ATT guy told me we don't have 4G in our area....He said that I am connected to 3G and the only way to know if I am connected to HSPA is when the Up and Down arror are bold and not grayed out.
Is this true ? How can I be 100% sure if I have 4G
I think it only becomes 'bold' when you're actively transferring data, unless he meant that the arrows would become larger or something. But, the only way to know would be to check Speedtest every couple of weeks and see if it's gotten faster. maybe see if the AT&T reps can find out when 4g will be enabled in your area
Go to Settings>About Phone>Status - See "Mobile Network Type"
Unlike HSUPA and HSDPA, 14.4 HSPA+ isn't a "mode". What happens is your phone tells the network it can receive 15 codes at once, which are basically channels. 10 codes gives you 7.2 Mbits and 5 codes is 3.6.
The network decides how many codes are assigned to you the instant before it transmits data. You may not get all 15, because other people are using the network for data or voice. On the other hand, even if the backhaul hasn't been upgraded, you may use all 15, because the base station might burst the data at once, in order to save your battery.
The best you can tell is what dsjr2006 said.
So which one is HSDPA? Im getting taht one according to what dsjr2006 said.
according to the user manual on the phone, if it shows an H your connected with 4G, if it shows a 3 your connected with 3G. I might take that with a grain of salt, and would use a speed test to check actual speeds.
ATT claims that all the towers will connect 4g but not all of them have the speed to support that yet. Hence the H+ sign but 3g like speeds
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
Related
I have noticed that my phone seems to prefer 3G data to 4G where I live. (I'm in the Stow, OH area for those curious)
At first I thought I simply didn't pick 4G up at my house because I've never had the strongest 3G signal here either. But if I go into the Phone Info and switch the radio to "LTE mode", it switches to 4G no problem.
For some confirmation that the software wasn't being glitchy, I did a speed test and got ~5mbit down (like I said, I may not have the best 4G coverage... I get upwards of 18mbit when I'm in the Akron area). And for additional confirmation, I placed a call and was also able to simultaneously surf and do another 5mbit speed test. So it is definitely connected to 4G.
For more experimentation, I switched it back to the usual "CDMA + LTE/EvDo auto". The icon switched to the 3G symbol. I then tried placing a call, and I was able to simultaneously use data, but it was clearly 3G speed. So it seems it used the 4G radio for the call, but the 3G radio for the data (weird).
So, I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed it this kind of behavior? Perhaps in the fringe coverage areas this will be most noticeable.
My phone dose this too. I think its poor 4g service and stuff. Im sure it will inrpove eventually
Interesting...
Now I put it on the "CDMA Auto (PRL)" option. speed test indicates 3G speeds. But then I place a call, and the call AND data are both working-- at 3G speeds. So maybe this was what was happening on the CDMA + LTE mode I selected before.
It appears Verizon has some sort of simultaneous 3G technology now?? I wasn't aware of this-- certainly about time, though.
But my initial conclusion does seem to be true-- it's preferring the 3G coverage to the 4G coverage. Perhaps this is a battery life decision. Or something else completely weird is going on.
Either way, I'm plenty happy with the phone.
Hi, I looked for this in all motorola forums but I couldn't find any real solution.
It seems the latest update to my home network (HSDPA to HSPA) is not well received by my phone. My battery is draining really fast since this upgrade.
Is there a way to enable ONLY HSDPA? I mean, HSPA is great for downloading and uploading, but battery life is really poor. I had very good battery life with HSDPA and I'd like to set my phone to this type of data connection.
Somebody told me to look for some entries in build.prop but I didn't find anything. Does someone know how to do it? Thanks
Menu key -> Settings -> Wireless & networks -> Mobile networks -> Select network ?
Check this out for battery improvement: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1198333
ofek said:
Menu key -> Settings -> Wireless & networks -> Mobile networks -> Select network ?
Check this out for battery improvement: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1198333
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hey, thanks for your help. Well, I'm not suffering battery draining for any other reason. I don't want to use 2G networks only. Just want to change HSPA to HSDPA. That way, I'll go back to having the usual battery consumption.
Any other suggestion?
HSPA is a term that encompasses High Speed Downlink Packet Access (HSDPA) and High Speed Uplink Packet Access (HSUPA) - if your network was using HSDPA, it was an HSPA network.
Enhanced HSPA (HSPA+) is an enhancement to HSPA that enables download speeds of up to 21Mbps and beyond, up from the typical 7.2Mbps. The Atrix is a 14.4Mbps compatible HSPA+ device.
So you saying you don't want HSPA, but want HSDPA doesn't make any sense. Do you want to disable the increased upload speeds? (HSUPA) or the HSPA+ speed enhancements? (up to 14.4Mbps) I know Samsung have an option to disable certain parts of the network through a hidden network, no idea about the Atrix though.
opethfan3 said:
HSPA is a term that encompasses High Speed Downlink Packet Access (HSDPA) and High Speed Uplink Packet Access (HSUPA) - if your network was using HSDPA, it was an HSPA network.
Enhanced HSPA (HSPA+) is an enhancement to HSPA that enables download speeds of up to 21Mbps and beyond, up from the typical 7.2Mbps. The Atrix is a 14.4Mbps compatible HSPA+ device.
So you saying you don't want HSPA, but want HSDPA doesn't make any sense. Do you want to disable the increased upload speeds? (HSUPA) or the HSPA+ speed enhancements? (up to 14.4Mbps) I know Samsung have an option to disable certain parts of the network through a hidden network, no idea about the Atrix though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, I want to disable HSUPA (what makes it HSPA) since it's killing my battery. I found a lot of info on Samsung phones but I don't know how to do it in a Motorola mobile
Sorry to bother again. Any solution yet to prevent phone from going on HSPA and stay in HSDPA? Thanks in advance
Just for your information, I found some build.prop tweaks to set HSDPA only, but none of them worked. Any ideas? Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks
joyo22 said:
Hi, I looked for this in all motorola forums but I couldn't find any real solution.
It seems the latest update to my home network (HSDPA to HSPA) is not well received by my phone. My battery is draining really fast since this upgrade.
Is there a way to enable ONLY HSDPA? I mean, HSPA is great for downloading and uploading, but battery life is really poor. I had very good battery life with HSDPA and I'd like to set my phone to this type of data connection.
Somebody told me to look for some entries in build.prop but I didn't find anything. Does someone know how to do it? Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
BUMP... Still trying to set phone to HSDPA only... Any thoughts?
it can be done, it took me three weeks to figure this out. we had a flood come through here about three weeks ago and it did something to just one antenna on the tower, i dont know what it did but it prevented anybody using a phone on hsupa from using their internet on their phone, i called att multiple times on the issue with no fixing of the tower that was transmitting a bad hsupa signal, the same antenna was transmitting a good "3g" signal or "hsdpa" both of my 4g phones would work anywhere else in the world except for at my house where the bad hsupa signal was. so i knew i had to find a way to downgrade to hsdpa to get my phones operational again, no help from att as to when or even if they would fix the towers. att thought i was crazy because i was the only one complaining about it because everyone on 3g was unaffected, probably only a handful of houses on this one antenna, att locks you out of your phone from being able to go to 3g or 2g, all automatic. 3 weeks of this crap then one day i remembered when the atrix first came out hsupa was locked out, remember all the scoff att got for that one, so here's what i did to shut off hsupa and get my phone back running again:
1. make sure your bootloader is unlocked - not sure if this will brick your phone if it isn't
2. download these radio packages http://www.megaupload.com/?d=V0LDOGFJ
3. flash the one radio that says att shipping radio or something like that through rsd lite (this is the original radio that shipped with the atrix) and don't worry its safe to flash if you are on gingerbread..
4. reboot your phone and you will be locked into 3g or hsdpa thus locking out hsupa
5. if you want to turn hsupa back on just flash the other file
this method worked great for me and got my phone working great again and no hsupa for me anymore until att gets the tower fixed which may be never since i'm probably the only one on this particular antenna with a hsupa phone.
all we need now is a nifty dev that can hack one of these radios to shut off automatic network selection for those of us that are stuck on it.
voltmeter101 said:
it can be done, it took me three weeks to figure this out. we had a flood come through here about three weeks ago and it did something to just one antenna on the tower, i dont know what it did but it prevented anybody using a phone on hsupa from using their internet on their phone, i called att multiple times on the issue with no fixing of the tower that was transmitting a bad hsupa signal, the same antenna was transmitting a good "3g" signal or "hsdpa" both of my 4g phones would work anywhere else in the world except for at my house where the bad hsupa signal was. so i knew i had to find a way to downgrade to hsdpa to get my phones operational again, no help from att as to when or even if they would fix the towers. att thought i was crazy because i was the only one complaining about it because everyone on 3g was unaffected, probably only a handful of houses on this one antenna, att locks you out of your phone from being able to go to 3g or 2g, all automatic. 3 weeks of this crap then one day i remembered when the atrix first came out hsupa was locked out, remember all the scoff att got for that one, so here's what i did to shut off hsupa and get my phone back running again:
1. make sure your bootloader is unlocked - not sure if this will brick your phone if it isn't
2. download these radio packages http://www.megaupload.com/?d=V0LDOGFJ
3. flash the one radio that says att shipping radio or something like that through rsd lite (this is the original radio that shipped with the atrix) and don't worry its safe to flash if you are on gingerbread..
4. reboot your phone and you will be locked into 3g or hsdpa thus locking out hsupa
5. if you want to turn hsupa back on just flash the other file
this method worked great for me and got my phone working great again and no hsupa for me anymore until att gets the tower fixed which may be never since i'm probably the only one on this particular antenna with a hsupa phone.
all we need now is a nifty dev that can hack one of these radios to shut off automatic network selection for those of us that are stuck on it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, thanks a lot. I was able to set phone to HSDPA only by flashing the radio you provided. I can't test if it really decreases battery drain but I'm going to try tomorrow with regular use. Thanks a lot!
opethfan3 said:
HSPA is a term that encompasses High Speed Downlink Packet Access (HSDPA) and High Speed Uplink Packet Access (HSUPA) - if your network was using HSDPA, it was an HSPA network.
Enhanced HSPA (HSPA+) is an enhancement to HSPA that enables download speeds of up to 21Mbps and beyond, up from the typical 7.2Mbps. The Atrix is a 14.4Mbps compatible HSPA+ device.
So you saying you don't want HSPA, but want HSDPA doesn't make any sense. Do you want to disable the increased upload speeds? (HSUPA) or the HSPA+ speed enhancements? (up to 14.4Mbps) I know Samsung have an option to disable certain parts of the network through a hidden network, no idea about the Atrix though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
^^This guy gets it.^^
WiredPirate said:
^^This guy gets it.^^
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can see why he called it hspa since this is the information displayed by the phone vs when the phone is on hsdpa. or what I call 3.5 g
voltmeter101 said:
I can see why he called it hspa since this is the information displayed by the phone vs when the phone is on hsdpa. or what I call 3.5 g
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hey pal, your method worked! After flashing the old radio, the phone is on HSDPA only and battery life is way better, back to Froyo times. I don't really care about the enhanced upload. Download speeds are as good as they were on HSPA.
Thanks a lot.
Can you please upload those radio again? I'm suffering the same thing with my atrix. Thank you.
new to androids and sprint so I searched the forums and found nothing related to my issue, so here goes.
I have a sprint air rave at my house and when i do internet speed tests whether it be through an app or a website i can manage barely 2mbps DL and sub 600k UL
When i turn wifi on i get my normal 10mbps DL and ~2mbps UL that i would get through my PC's...can someone tell me if its an airrave setting or is it just the way that the phone is set up to work with the air rave?
im Running Synergy rev 344 on my Evo 3d
This is because the airwaves uses Evdo while you use speedtest. If you turn off the airaves and perform a test again you're not using evdo you're using your home wifi.
You should be able to use wifi while the airraves on, just go into quick settings and turn off mobile network before you perform a speed test. Make sire to turn it back on when you're done!
sent from a double barreled shooter
thanks for the quick response! so i guess it was the way that the air rave is programmed (i had a inkling that that might have been the reason)
Preston2291 said:
I have a sprint air rave at my house and when i do internet speed tests whether it be through an app or a website i can manage barely 2mbps DL and sub 600k UL
When i turn wifi on i get my normal 10mbps DL and ~2mbps UL that i would get through my PC's...can someone tell me if its an airrave setting or is it just the way that the phone is set up to work with the air rave?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
tried google searching but i couldn't find any explicit stating of airave speeds.
wifi hardware on the evo 3d has the greatest speeds of all the radios on the device.
airave is using pure cell phone, 3g/evdo technology to communicate with the device which has bandwidth limitations.
to list the radios in the phone in order of speeds i've seen:
1) wifi, 2) wimax, 3) 3g/evdo/airave, 4) 1x
i also have an airave at home and i never thought to run a speed test on it. i usually flip on wifi if i need to pull down a lot of data while at home. mainly just use the airave for placing/receiving voice calls and sometimes text.
jlear3 said:
You should be able to use wifi while the airraves on, just go into quick settings and turn off mobile network before you perform a speed test. Make sire to turn it back on when you're done!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
turning on wifi with an airave and w/o works the same as with a cell tower signal and without.
when wifi is turned on android switches data to operate over the wifi radio and leaves voice/text over the cell radio which will go through either the airave or the sprint tower.
when wifi is turned off android switches data back to going over the cell radio which uses either the airave or the sprint tower, whichever has better signal.
hope that makes sense and helps!
No problem
Yeah the airave just gives you evdo speeds not wifi also be aware that it won't know if you're calling a mobile phone or a landline, so any minutes used to call will be deducted from your monthly minutes.
sent from a double barreled shooter
both of those are awesome pieces of advice!
yea i tried to google it also but couldnt find squat on the airrave speeds, lol i usually have wifi on at my house but i was curious to find out the throughput speeds of the airrave.
and also thanks for the info on the cell calls....when sprint sent it to me...they didnt say a word about the air rave not knowing if i was calling a cell or landline so i will definatly have to watch who i call from now on
Ya it really depends on what person you get from tech support. I don't know this from first hand experience only what i was told by a tech rep, mine won't be here for a few weeks as they're on backorder :/ so maybe the rep that told me was wrong, just pay attention until we know for sure
sent from a double barreled shooter
Ever since I've transferred to AT&T I've had laggy data issues. I finally rooted/flashed to AOKP, and while trying to address the issues of no APNs appearing or saving and no signal status in the status bar, I've come to find both AT&T and T-Mobile as Available Networks under some network setting. Am I chasing ghosts here, or is there something actually up?
EDIT: So I really need help troubleshooting the issue. I'll logcat, dump, or whatever necessary. I've been in many cities/areas and this problem persists: if I haven't used data or the phone hasn't been backgrounding traffic, it'll take anywhere from 5 to 30 seconds before a connection is made when I try to access an internet-related function on my phone (even though 3G/H is displayed in the status bar). Out of shear frustration (this has been happening since I got the phone, under stock ROMs and now under AOKP), I tried messing with *#*#info#*#*. I changed WCDMA-preferred to WCDMA-only -- no improvement. Oddly, I also tried GSM-only. Well, great improvement! Even though I only have E, there is absolutely no latency in waiting for a connection -- so pages and other data end up loading faster on Edge than 3G !
I have absolutely no idea why my phone takes forever to make a connection. Under 3G, I see only but a few upstream network activity blips (even under full bars) for as much as 30 seconds, before there is any downstream activity (and when it comes, it comes). Can anyone help???
P.S.: I'm going to try using a friend's SIM later for comparison.
joebobjoe said:
Ever since I've transferred to AT&T I've had laggy data issues. I finally rooted/flashed to AOKP, and while trying to address the issues of no APNs appearing or saving and no signal status in the status bar, I've come to find both AT&T and T-Mobile as Available Networks under some network setting. Am I chasing ghosts here, or is there something actually up?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Because they both share the 1900MHz band I believe.
Red5 said:
Because they both share the 1900MHz band I believe.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'd like to know if it shows up for anyone else?
joebobjoe said:
I'd like to know if it shows up for anyone else?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
On AOKP it does for me too. Just ignore it.
Red5 said:
On AOKP it does for me too. Just ignore it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
An aside: does your phone stay on 3G and switch to H only under moderate network traffic?
joebobjoe said:
An aside: does your phone stay on 3G and switch to H only under moderate network traffic?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The phone displays 3G because thats what it is... then when data is being processed, it shows H because its using the "what AT&T calls 4G but its really HSPA" side of the network. For just standby time with no data, its going to show 3G because HSDPA is traffic, not standby.
Red5 said:
The phone displays 3G because thats what it is... then when data is being processed, it shows H because its using the "what AT&T calls 4G but its really HSPA" side of the network. For just standby time with no data, its going to show 3G because HSDPA is traffic, not standby.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well that's strange. I'm used to phones displaying what network-level they are capable of. So why would it not just display H for HSPA+ when HSPA+ service is available, instead of only displaying under traffic.
I'm going to go ahead an edit this thread to help troubleshoot what I think to be the main issue.
After some trials I see that the network indicator switches back and forth between 3G and H a few tines before making the connection and transmitting data. Hmmm...
Basically, "4G" will eat your battery alive so the phone idles at 3G and jumps to H+ only when you use data. If you were on a "stock" ATT rom it would always read H+, but this is technically false since when its idle the phone sits in 3G. CM9 and AOKP accurately display it which is why you see the switch.
Sent from my SGH-I777 using Tapatalk
I have a HTC Amaze for a phone and the Galaxy S2 is my media player. Sometimes, when I don't feel like carrying around two devices, I put my T-Mobile SIM in the galaxy and use it as my phone. I must say, Edge is not as slow as I remember it being. Maybe speed is contingent on network traffic. If thats the case, instead of using crowded "faux G" networks, I may defer to Edge to save battery life and get good dl/ul rates.
My phone does the same thing. I noticed it sometime ago. When idle 3g. Internet I get H+. This is with both Shostock2 and Phone Bricker. I was curious to know too but just blew it off because it really doesnt make any difference to me as long as Im getting decent speeds. Im not even with ATT anymore. Went with Straight Talk. Which uses ATT towers. Cant beat the price!!
They don't have the correct apns, but that symbol problem is because the phone doesn't use hspa+ passively, only actively. It causes some lag when downloading, but it is faster fit large data. But your problem is due to a supposed imei range with bad modems. Rehash stick, fix the triangle, and return it.
Sent from my GT-I777 using xda premium
Hello,
I mostly use my phone on Wifi but occasionally switch to mobile data. We don't have 4G where I live. The three types of networks available are GPRS (2G), EDGE (2.5G) and HSP (3.5G). Using my previous phone on Mobile Data, I always see the symbol "H" indicating that I on a 3G network. Here are some observations:
1. Since I started using the HAM2 I always see "4G" instead of "H" even though I'm sure it can't be 4G. I can use the internet but its ridiculously slow.
2. Sometimes, when I'm some far away place, I see "E" indicating that I'm using EDGE which means that the "4G" I usually see does not erroneously represent EDGE.
3. I thought the general network in my area was slow. I tried someone else's SAMSUNG phone. The usual "H" was there and the speed was as is expected of a 3.5G network
So, whats wrong with my phone's internet speed. I've verified that I'm using the same access point as everyone else. But internet is just too slow. Usually in SAMSUNG phones, there's an option where you are allowed to switch from 3G to 2G data networks to save some battery but the HAM2 lacks this option. Instead, when defining the access point, there's an option at the bottom called "Bearer" where there are three options; "LTE", "eHRPD" and "Unspecified". Switching to anything other than "Unspecified" does not work.
Is there something that is causing the internet to be slow on my phone or the HAM2 doesn't support 3G data ?
Thanks
4G = H+
4G LTE = LTE
Not sure where you are located, but if you don't have the proper sim card, and provisioning, you won't see LTE, but just 4G, which is the
"old" H+.
I'm in the states, and depending on where I am, and the time of day, using straight talk (tracfone/at&t card), I get anywhere from snail
speed, to around 12meg which is fine for me, I use less than 2gb of data per month. On the phone, that's another story, I use 1500-2000
minutes per month.
medwatt said:
Hello,
I mostly use my phone on Wifi but occasionally switch to mobile data. We don't have 4G where I live. The three types of networks available are GPRS (2G), EDGE (2.5G) and HSP (3.5G). Using my previous phone on Mobile Data, I always see the symbol "H" indicating that I on a 3G network. Here are some observations:
1. Since I started using the HAM2 I always see "4G" instead of "H" even though I'm sure it can't be 4G. I can use the internet but its ridiculously slow.
2. Sometimes, when I'm some far away place, I see "E" indicating that I'm using EDGE which means that the "4G" I usually see does not erroneously represent EDGE.
3. I thought the general network in my area was slow. I tried someone else's SAMSUNG phone. The usual "H" was there and the speed was as is expected of a 3.5G network
So, whats wrong with my phone's internet speed. I've verified that I'm using the same access point as everyone else. But internet is just too slow. Usually in SAMSUNG phones, there's an option where you are allowed to switch from 3G to 2G data networks to save some battery but the HAM2 lacks this option. Instead, when defining the access point, there's an option at the bottom called "Bearer" where there are three options; "LTE", "eHRPD" and "Unspecified". Switching to anything other than "Unspecified" does not work.
Is there something that is causing the internet to be slow on my phone or the HAM2 doesn't support 3G data ?
Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
medwatt said:
Hello,
I mostly use my phone on Wifi but occasionally switch to mobile data. We don't have 4G where I live. The three types of networks available are GPRS (2G), EDGE (2.5G) and HSP (3.5G). Using my previous phone on Mobile Data, I always see the symbol "H" indicating that I on a 3G network. Here are some observations:
1. Since I started using the HAM2 I always see "4G" instead of "H" even though I'm sure it can't be 4G. I can use the internet but its ridiculously slow.
2. Sometimes, when I'm some far away place, I see "E" indicating that I'm using EDGE which means that the "4G" I usually see does not erroneously represent EDGE.
3. I thought the general network in my area was slow. I tried someone else's SAMSUNG phone. The usual "H" was there and the speed was as is expected of a 3.5G network
So, whats wrong with my phone's internet speed. I've verified that I'm using the same access point as everyone else. But internet is just too slow. Usually in SAMSUNG phones, there's an option where you are allowed to switch from 3G to 2G data networks to save some battery but the HAM2 lacks this option. Instead, when defining the access point, there's an option at the bottom called "Bearer" where there are three options; "LTE", "eHRPD" and "Unspecified". Switching to anything other than "Unspecified" does not work.
Is there something that is causing the internet to be slow on my phone or the HAM2 doesn't support 3G data ?
Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you have the battery savings set to endurance it Will slow down your internet. Changing to normal would help.
I'm on cricket and mobile hotspot and wifi work great
I'm on metro pcs and had never been more happy till 2 days ago for some reason it started to be really slow, hopefully there is some work being done
I am also using MetroPCS and have had no issues so far. Down speeds are super impressive here in New York. I am almost always around 50mb and have seen 75 a few times. My wifi tethering has also been working with no issues.