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Strange how VZW touts "40gb" space, but 5gb of usable space is missing. We all know that "40gb" is not truly 40gb, but the 8gb internal is really odd.
Where as the Droid X has about 7gb of space out of box, the TB has 2.5gb for app space and no accounting of the 5GB balance that should be left. The SD card correctly show 29.7gb, but the 8gb amiss.
Seems the TB has the mega ultimate record of gigabytes of bloatware that needs to be purged with a modded rom to free the space up. Will end up being app space, but free none the less.
Yes, there are a few games, but those should only take up a few hundred megs- not gigs. Unless Guitar Hero is doing it......
The 8gb they speak of is storage space built in to the phone.
Yep and it appears to be taken up by bloatware.
2.5gb space for apps- where is the 5gb balance? Rhetorical, since it is taken up by preinstalled junk (for the most part).
Point is the consumer does not even have the 37.5gb of usable space they should have with the TB and "40gb". Actual usable space is 32.5gb, courtesy of bloat.
I have been wondering about this... 5GB in bloatware is borderline irresponsible. Why the he'll do we want this much **** oh our phones? F that... I want it gone.
The main culprit is the VZW Navigator. The map for all of NA is stored there and that is a few gigs by it self. The second culprit is the Let's Golf app from Game Loft. Rock Band is not preinstalled on the phone that's downloaded as an .all on first run.
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Where are the VZ maps found?
Htc rep I spoke with at launch stated some space is bloat but there's more space for future proofing the phone. Androids OS keeps growing and htc wants the bolt to be able to update past gingerbread to ice cream and so on.
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newtsevo said:
Htc rep I spoke with at launch stated some space is bloat but there's more space for future proofing the phone. Androids OS keeps growing and htc wants the bolt to be able to update past gingerbread to ice cream and so on.
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That is hilarious... considering that 2.3.3 is less than 200MB. Sounds like an easy line of BS to sell though. I would be much more inclined to believe that a lot has been used up for VZ Navigator...
And what about the "768mb of ram". Where has that gone? If advanced task killer is accurate I have the same ram left over with no tasks running as my rooted incredible.
..not sure of that has to do with the rom on it.. I was using miui.
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I'd assume the internal has been partitioned using the SLC configuration (similar to the Vision)
More reading: http://tjworld.net/wiki/Android/HTC/EMMC/UnderstandingUserCapacity
And, I'm totally guessing here
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That is hilarious... considering that 2.3.3 is less than 200MB. Sounds like an easy line of BS to sell though. I would be much more inclined to believe that a lot has been used up for VZ Navigator...
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Does VZ NAvigator hold maps internally/locally on the phone? Even so, 5gb seems like an awful lot. CoPilot and Navigon for the whole US don't use more than a couple IIRC.
It must be something like that, though, because there's no way the apps themselves could use up so much space; I've got 150 apps on my Nexus S and it's only using 1/2 of its internal space.
This is my first VZW phone since a Palm Treo several years ago...the amount of bloatware (crapware IMO) is shocking.
As someone else mentioned, the "missing" space is taken up by the system partition(most likely for future updates, the same way an online video game says it requires X gbs on the hard drive when it only takes up Y gbs).
Download Root Explorer or any other app that will let you look at the system files and go into each folder. You'll see that there is a lot of empty space reserved for the system. And before anyone asks, no, its highly unlikely that the space can be reclaimed for storage. Greater minds than myself will have to explain why, but the short version of it is the internal eMMC can only be partitioned once. Finally, before someone starts hollering about false advertising, note that most places that talk about the storage capacity usually include an asterisk regarding the "formatted capacity" being less.
On the 768mb memory, lets keep in mind that the first thing that lays claim to the RAM is the system hardware. What does the Thunderbolt have that a Dinc doesn't? The LTE antenna.
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The thing is, there is no EMMC folder on the phone like there was on my Dinc. I like to have certain things on my phone versus my SD. When rooted, would it be as simple as just adding that EMMC folder in? Doubt it, but anyone know?
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Can we even access that? I remember on my Incredible I could access the internal memory by USB but that doesnt seem to be the case here
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I was poking around the app SystemPanel (available on the market) and I noticed that the internal storage only adds up to 4gb. This is including the System Storage(849.5MB), Application Storage(2670.8MB), and The cache(424.7MB). Now I don't know much about the file structure, and I am probably missing something, but I thought that the internal storage was 8GB?
Anybody else run into this discovery?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1003232
I'm guessing what Brad is trying to point out without actually putting any effort into answering your question, is according to the linked thread, eMMC is only 4GB
Some unsourced claim said:
Memory (emmc/RAM): 4GB / 768 MB ]
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However the Thunderbolt page on Verizon's own website still claims 8GB
Verizon said:
Memory / Processor
8GB eMMC
768 MB RAM
Actual formatted capacity will be less
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As does Amazon.com here
Amazon said:
Memory
32 GB pre-loaded microSD memory card with support for other optional cards up to 32 GB.
8 GB internal memory
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Oh yeah, even HTChttp://www.htc.com/us/products/thunderbolt-verizon#tech-specs says 8:
HTC said:
8GB emmc + 768 RAM Memory card, preinstalled 32 GB microSD™
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I'm going to venture to guess one of two things is going on:
HTC fat fingered the spec-sheet and everybody else copied it without doing any research (Alternate: Last minute change and their tech sheet was never updated)
There really is 8GB of eMMC, but the "missing" 4GB is hidden, disabled, or otherwise unaccounted for at the moment.
In any event, until someone does a tear down we probably wont know for absolute certainty.
It's not "missing." Pulled from the other thread.
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There is 5.00168gbs(or 5121.72mb) on the system partition according to Root Explorer and a calculator. Most of it is free (empty) space, though.
5.00168 + the ~2.5gb user storage partition = ~7.5gb.
This is the same as the MT4G and G2, both of which had the same advertised 8gb internal storage I believe.
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madfatter said:
how do we get at this space? it seems strange to have it just sitting around there, not being able to be used. perhaps it is possible to rewrite emmc partions to give this an "internal" storage, much like the Dinc had?
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Most likely this will be impossible.
The eMMC's generally used by HTC can only be partitioned once, period. At least, this was the case with the G2 and the MT4G which had the same "missing" storage space.
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EDIT: Pulled the more technical explanation from the G2's Wiki: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB
Yes, I realize that G2 =/= Thunderbolt. However, it's very likely that HTC uses similiar processes for all of it's phones.
O, ok. I searched xda and it didn't turn up any discussions like this.
O and yippee for companies essentially screwing us out of half of the internal memory we paid for...
Thanks for all of the information guys...
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It's not "missing." Pulled from the other thread.
And since I know this question will be next...
EDIT: Pulled the more technical explanation from the G2's Wiki: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB
Yes, I realize that G2 =/= Thunderbolt. However, it's very likely that HTC uses similiar processes for all of it's phones.
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Yeah I hasn't finished reading that thread when I replied in here, so I didn't realize the space had been located.
I know the way HTC does eMMC makes it a one time partition, but since its there as "system" according to that post, shouldn't that mean it could be utilized by us somehow? I don't entirely understand all of the nuance to androids partition madness, but I'm an old hand with linux. My first thought runs to making a loopback in some of the free space and mounting it in a user assessable area a la how you can mount iso's and swap files. Might not be the fastest but for data that doesn't change often it could work. Hell I'm pretty sure thats all the ext2/4 hacks on the sgs phones are doing to avoid rfs.
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I wish I knew linux well enough to understand that...
I'm trying to make sense of the real difference between the EVO3D's 4GB of internal memory and the Photon/Within's supposed 16+ GB of internal memory.
Is this difference really something to be concerned/though about?
The way I see it, we have been running with 1 GB in most phones in recent history, and most of us just touch the limits of the memory with apps, etc. With the extra headroom of 4GB, I'm not sure there is too much concern for running out of app space (crosses fingers).
So, what is the rest of the memory for? Media? I understand that the internal memory might be faster, but SD cards have already been shown to be fast enough for most purposes (and I believe the Green Hornet comes on the SD card). IIRC, it was quite an anomaly to have the Nexus S store media and other files on the internal memory when it came out.
So, does the 4 GB concern, given the ability to get 32 GB on SD? Or is it a real advantage for the competitors?
It might have something to do with recording in 1080p or 3d . The internal would be faster to record to . Just my thought
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Anytime you write/read to internal its always going to be faster than reading from a SD card. This also holds true with your desktop. Reading from your DDR2/3 Memory will always be faster than reading from your SSD/HDD. I think this is where the above poster actually gives some credibility about his claims.
I don't see the big deal. 4Gb is a decent amount of internal. How many people are going to actually need 16gb of internal space? I'm sure someone will reply and tell me they need it for this and this but I'm sure a large percent will do just fine with 4gb. People do just fine with 1gb.
If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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My thoughts as well. Funny though, isn't Qualcomm (HTC's chip provider) the one thats going to do a gaming pack?
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If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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even with 4-8 times the storage on those phones, they are only using 2x as much for app installation, correct? 1GB v 2GB?
I would rather have a 4gb internal and my 16gb class10 sd card then to have 10gn internal w/ no way to use a sd card with it, but then again I keep my 8gb card that came with the evo set up fully as a back-up card, i have a nandroid back-up and main files i use on my sd card set up on my 8gb cardd so all i have to do it restore and go if anything happens and I have to get a new phone.
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If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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If you are looking for a phone to do gaming on you should chose Samsung Within due to terga2 over a phone with larger internal storage
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If you are looking for a phone to do gaming on you should chose Samsung Within due to terga2 over a phone with larger internal storage
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It is not confirmed that the Within will have Tegra2, actually, it is highly likely it will have Exynos. The Photon is confirmed to have Tegra2. Also, the SGS2 is likely to have the highest amount of internal storage, with the Photon having the second largest.
I would have loved the 3D to have more internal storage but coming from the 4G it is still a considerable upgrade. Personally I never had an issue with the 1GB on the 4G so I don't consider the 3D's 4GB a liability.
The lower amount of storage on the 3D was probably a way to keep the final cost down given the other specs to make it affordable and I'm fine with that; $199 s a great price for what you get!
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I would have loved the 3D to have more internal storage but coming from the 4G it is still a considerable upgrade. Personally I never had an issue with the 1GB on the 4G so I don't consider the 3D's 4GB a liability.
The lower amount of storage on the 3D was probably a way to keep the final cost down given the other specs to make it affordable and I'm fine with that; $199 s a great price for what you get!
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I agree we are getting a lot of phone for the money..I thought the same thing with the 4g..now we get a processor that more than twice as fast and four times the internal memory..I don't use a lot of games but my SD card has atleast 10 Roms and 4 full nandroid backups andive never run out of memory..mof I have at least 2 gb left..and that's with stock sd
I suspect there will be far less than 4g actually usable..
I got a low memory error one time so I went thru and unistalled a bunch of stuff I never used. No problem since. And I could probably delete even more stuff.
even 4GB's isn't a whole lot, I always end up with the issue of running out of space on my evo, I switch roms constantly, so Apps to sd doesn't really work for me, I'm hoping I can get away with tons of games installed on just 4gbs.
4GB's of internal on the 3D will be plenty for me. Only recently have I started to have issues with running out of space on the EVO. Ended up just moving a bunch of apps to SD card and all is fine again.
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even 4GB's isn't a whole lot, I always end up with the issue of running out of space on my evo, I switch roms constantly, so Apps to sd doesn't really work for me, I'm hoping I can get away with tons of games installed on just 4gbs.
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the built in a2sd sucks for this, but the a2sd (like DarkTremmors) that allot of the guys put into their roms works very well with this. I got a 4gd ext3 partition on my sd for this and i NEVER run out of space to install apps (in fact i dont even use 1gb up w/ close to 200 apps)
I'm not going to complain as it is a 16-fold increase of storage for me. Mmm... increased internal storage...
Add my 16 gig sd card and I think I'm golden.
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more then enough. This is set aside for apps and OS I believe, and the photon will be the same. The internal space will be partitioned probably for apps and then most of it for storage.
4gb internal is more then enough.
I can see large storage making sense on devices like the nexus s 4g and iPhone because you have no option for an external form of storage but 16/32gb of storage on a device with a micro sd slot is a bit much. I'm not saying they shouldn't make phones with that much, the more the better but I just don't think you need that much. I think 4gb is enough to last us until we upgrade next year.
For the people who plan on having this phone for a second year the internal storage may become an issue in 12-18 months. Next years gen of phones will bring bigger apps, bigger files.
How come the EVO 3D only has 1 gig of internal storage? I'm really wanting this phone this worries me. My Asus Transformer has 32 gigs of internal storage and with all the apps and everything I have on it, I'm well above 18 gigs used. And that's not including movies (stored on MicroSD).
So with that said, with 1 gig of internal storage, this device is VERY limited to how many programs you can load onto it right?
And I know there is App2SD but not all apps are compatible doing that. How do you guys fare with such limited internal storage?
Even on the OGVO I never had issues, but then again, I don't download the entire market.
When they start releasing roms I'm sure it will free up a couple more gb of internal storage BC were suppose to have 4. I think but I'm not sure a lot of rom was used for sense and the security they used to lock the phone.
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No problems here. I haunt even used a third.. there is no need to have hundreds of apps..
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* Pre-Honeycomb Android versions have a space limitation on installed apps.
* Froyo and Gingerbread grants the ability to move applicable apps to external media (microSD).
* Honeycomb takes advantage of all available space for application installation while removing the ability to move apps to external media.
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How come the EVO 3D only has 1 gig of internal storage? I'm really wanting this phone this worries me. My Asus Transformer has 32 gigs of internal storage and with all the apps and everything I have on it, I'm well above 18 gigs used. And that's not including movies (stored on MicroSD).
So with that said, with 1 gig of internal storage, this device is VERY limited to how many programs you can load onto it right?
And I know there is App2SD but not all apps are compatible doing that. How do you guys fare with such limited internal storage?
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You do realize that you are confusing the storage mediums, right? The 32gb of storage on your transformer is the same as the 8gb of storage on the SD card that comes with the Evo 3D. You can always install a 32gb card if you want. The Asus only has 1gb of "internal storage." in the way you are lookig at this.
You really are not going to find many phones with more internal storage unless they are sealed and have no MicroSD slot (aka iPhone).
Well I was really worried to owned a EVO and only had like 400 mb left. And the Thunderbird like 2.5 gb free (out of the 8gb internal that they say it has) anyways most apps over 10mb will let you moved to SD card , I download a lot apps and games are the only ones with the big space , I was amazed the most 10 mb + in iPhone were only like 3mb in Android, so don't worry you'll be ok
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
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You do realize that you are confusing the storage mediums, right? The 32gb of storage on your transformer is the same as the 8gb of storage on the SD card that comes with the Evo 3D. You can always install a 32gb card if you want. The Asus only has 1gb of "internal storage." in the way you are lookig at this.
You really are not going to find many phones with more internal storage unless they are sealed and have no MicroSD slot (aka iPhone).
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Isn't the 16/32GB on the transformer internal (with the ability to add up to another 32GB via microSD)? (I'm not sure, hence the question)
Dude 1GB is like a godsend for me. My OGVO had >300MB when it was bone stock, I'm very thankful for my 1GB and you should be too. But I also try not to load up my phones with bull**** I never use and usually have like 2-8 apps downloaded, max. I'd just get a bigger SD card if it bothers you that much, 32 gigs is like $40.
A lot of the 4gb is the ROM and security features. Once we can install custom ROMs we will get a couple gigs back. I don't know why I just said that. A previous poster said that. LOL I fail at forums. ;P
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Dude 1GB is like a godsend for me. My OGVO had >300MB when it was bone stock, I'm very thankful for my 1GB and you should be too. But I also try not to load up my phones with bull**** I never use and usually have like 2-8 apps downloaded, max. I'd just get a bigger SD card if it bothers you that much, 32 gigs is like $40.
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+1 on this.
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Isn't the 16/32GB on the transformer internal (with the ability to add up to another 32GB via microSD)? (I'm not sure, hence the question)
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It's internal in the sense that it is built inside the unit, but its more like a SSD setup. Another way to think about it is like the 16/32 you are talking about is a MicroSD and you can add a second MicroSD. I mean it's not, but for conceptual reasons, that is one way to understand it.
You are correct....however...this 1g is for sense...apps and memory management file and the 3vo has plenty unless you are going to load 600+ apps SD another user here does...600 hundred...my god...
I was a bit concerned at first coming from a Droid x. That thing was the king of space when it came out. I think apps to SD was just coming out then. Now almost all apps are s2d. I've got 50+ apps using 300mb on phone, a couple gigs app usage on SD. I don't think its an issue any more.
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Hi All,
There seem to be several different Galaxy S III boards here so I just picked one at random (if it's the wrong place would somebody be good enough to move it to the correct place? Thanks)
I was in a phone shop here in the UK the other day asking about the SIII, and specifically the differences between the three types 16GB, 32GB, and 64GB the salesman said instead of getting one of the bigger ones, I should just get the 16GB model and buy a larger sd, I said that isn't how it worked, but he called another guy over who 100% agreed with him. Still not convinced I came home and had a quick sniff around on-line. This did not help clarify things, there seems to be just as much confusion out there.
Can I ask the experts here at XDA to give a definitave answer on this.
Thanks.
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Added later to clarify: I currently have a rooted HTC Desire with a 4GB a2sd partition. Even though the a2sd partition is practally empty the phone keeps complaining that I don't have enough space to install/update things. Although there are thing I want installed that aren't because of this it isn't a HUGE problem, but it's happening more and more as apps get bigger and bigger.
I'm not a big gamer (I pay some but not that frequently), I am a big app nut though. Yes 16GB is more than enough space for me right now, and I know there are options to move some files elsewhere, but if these options are as unreliable as a2sd am I going to be stuck for space again in 12 - 18 months time like I am now?
If you are not a gamer, 16gb model should fit well for daily usage.
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You can always use the mod internal2external by Mattiadj in developnent section. Root is required.
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Their is no definitive answer.
All depends upon what you want versus cost .
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If u are a gamer and u don lik to root ur phone( love stock) thn u should go for 32 or 64gb..
If u are a gamer and u lik rooting then u can go for 16gb version +64gb SD card.
If u are a regualr user..without gaming..16gb is sufficient.
Well since the phone has an SD slot you really can just buy a 16GB phone and buy a 64GB SD card..
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You can only install apps on internal memory on the S3 also apps can also only use internal memory, which is why people said if you are a mobile gamer to get the 32 or 64GB version.
If you are just a normal user the 16GB will be absolutely fine, just use an sd card, I would say the store staff were half right, they probably don't know we can't install apps to sd.
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I best his confusing RAM with non-volatile storage...
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Game apps themselves don't use that much data, but it's the game data which can be massive. 9mm itself has about 2gb of data.
Game data can be moved to external storage so even if you are a gamer, 16gb is still good enough. I use 'gl to sd' from the play store which allows me to move data to the external card. There are other options as well, like 'directory bind'.
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Clarification.
Hi,
Just added this to the OP to (hopefully) clarify a little:
I currently have a rooted HTC Desire with a 4GB a2sd partition. Even though the a2sd partition is practically empty the phone keeps complaining that I don't have enough space to install/update things. Although there are thing I want installed that aren't because of this, it isn't a HUGE problem, but it's happening more and more as apps get bigger and bigger.
I'm not a big gamer (I play some but not that frequently), I am a big app nut though. Yes 16GB is more than enough space for me right now, and I know there are options to move some files elsewhere if needed, but if these options are as unreliable as a2sd am I going to be stuck for space again in 12 - 18 months time like I am now?
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Anybody want to add anything else?
Yes app2sd sucks a bit, I'm using something somehow similar, but more reliable (at least for my opinion)(also additional ext4 partition [20gb], but only mounted at /sdcard/Android to have the game data somewhere else and also because ext4 is way better for such big folders than messy fat32 or exfat).
But I would say go at least for the 32 gb, I'm not that heavy gamer, but I have some high-end games installed and the space is pretty tight at my 16gb device (if iwouldn't have put it to another place and also because I got some other stuff on it which I haven't moved yet).
Yes all is movable somehow, but why should you if you can get more space from the beginning.
16gb are for sure ok and I'm still happy with the device the same way i would with more internal, but I would have taken at least 32gb if it has been available when I bought the device.
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so this is the reason they have 16 and 32g models. lock app installs to physical storage so people don't buy large SD cards and rather buy the larger 32gb or 64gb models.
too bad i didn't know this or i would of bought the 32gb.. i figured i could get 16gb and use sd card for extra apps but based on reading it looks like it requires hacking or apps that make symlinks..
why bother putting an SD slot if they're going to restrict what you can put on it.