I am curious if it is the hardware or software that allows you to get the "21mpbs" download? I know the original vibrant was "7.2mbps".
It is the hardware...
Damn them.
Thank you!
What do you need 21 MB for on a phone? Unless you are tethering? ??
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I took one apart (a S4G) and they are exactly the same inside unless the actual board is different, my guess we will be able to create a patch that will increase our current speed probably 1.5 faster, on WIFI my phone does 19 mb down and 5.8 up so the current configuration is good enough to to handle the speed.
Would you have to update your data plan for this to work?
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So is the answer yes, no or don't know?
I heard you just have to upgrade data plan on tmo website.
upgrading your plan doesnt do anything. It's just a way to merge all plans under the "4G data plans". You WONT get 4G speeds for switching. The 4G speed comes from the different radio in the Galaxy S 4G that the vibrant doesnt have. Its a hardware thing, not software. /thread.
No, it is different modem hardware. Vib 3G is Infineon cellular modem. Vib 4G is ST-Ericson modem.
You don't need to do anything to your data plan, just get a Vib 4G phone.
Unfortunately you cannot get 4G speeds on the Vibrant...even if you choose the "Android 4G plan" from T-Mobile. It is only a label and makes no difference within the phone itself. The Vibrant 4G has a newer radio that can work with true 4G, but sadly the highest we can go is 3.5G lol
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I was a G1 user forever... And I remember there being talk of making the G1 able to utilize the HSPA network... so does that mean it is possible for any phone utilize it? or.... ??? I am kinda confuised... maybe it can utilize it... but not be able to utilize the maximum HSPA+ speeds....
It's hardware. Don't you think every phone would have HSPA+?
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I was a G1 user forever... And I remember there being talk of making the G1 able to utilize the HSPA network... so does that mean it is possible for any phone utilize it? or.... ??? I am kinda confuised... maybe it can utilize it... but not be able to utilize the maximum HSPA+ speeds....
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Yeah, you heard right. pretty much all the newer tmo smart phones will be getting a boost, but they will not be getting the full speed unless they have the hardware. So, you will get the full 3G speed and depending on your reception, you might go a little faster. Almost like a speed boost. To take advantage of the full 4g or HSPA+ you will need the hardware.
I heard there isn't a HUGE difference as of yet between the normal HSPA and HSPA+ hardware in terms of speed. I was in LA two months ago and I was getting 4.5 megs down with my Nexus One which isn't HSPA+.
Maybe later on down the line when HSPA+ is full rolled out across the country and they bump the speeds up even more then at that point having the HSPA+ hardware will make a difference but I don't see that happening for a while.
In the meantime, here's to hoping we all get covered by the network soon!
i live in So Cal with normal 3g now. a few months ago when i had mt3g, I Went to an area where they had to new network. it was MUCH faster. and this was with mt3g
"The Vibrant will have HSPA+ when the Froyo update comes out. T-mobile Is dropping it this month. So really soon." was searching for that same question of the vibrant getting some sort of update that would allow the hardware to decode the data packages, its the same thing like the g1. when the towers updated to hspa+ from regular hspa it was only a software upgrade what makes anyone think that these new powerful phone wont be able to get a software upgrade also? so the answer is more to yes than no. and to "It's hardware. Don't you think every phone would have HSPA+?" why dont you think about that for a little. g1 did it so can this & yes the original galaxy s has hspa+ hardware but i think it was disabled in the us version until we would need it since it would use more power just being left on without it being used. also rumor is that the hummingbird chip is running at 1.2 gighertz in the i9000 so i overclocked my virbrant at 1.2 gighertz & its running with no problems! also we might need those extra 200 hertz to keep things running normal if we get the hspa+ upgrade im pretty sure it will need it.
Is it even possible? If so, how would I go about doing it?
Fyi I'm running nero v3, and am familiar with odin and flashing stuff
Thanks for any answers!
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You can't.
The Vibrant has a GSM cellular modem. MetroPCS is CDMA.
It's impossible to work. You might be able to get a Fascinate working on Metro, though... but why? Metro blows horribly and T-Mobile is barely more expensive for vastly better service and coverage. I pay $65 a month for unlimited everything except calling (500 anytime minutes).
Does metro pcs has 3g?
Op: have u looked into simple mobile. They are cheaper than metro pcs. And u will be able to use ur unlocked phone on their network.
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Does metro pcs has 3g?
Op: have u looked into simple mobile. They are cheaper than metro pcs. And u will be able to use ur unlocked phone on their network.
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MetroPCS has been claiming for a while now that they have 4G LTE. They even have 4G LTE phone.
Is it their own network, or are they using Verizon?
BTW check out Simple Mobile, supposedly they use T-Mobiles network, but not too sure if this is true.
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Wow it appears the 4G LTE network is their own, they even released 4G phones before Verizon. Their 4G map is not too shabby, I guess MetroPCS is slowly becoming a serious player.
ps...I know people who have MetroPC, and they have less dead areas than I do on T-Mobile.
Thank you gents. Ill check out simple mobile, though ive never heard of them.
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Metro's LTE is almost fradulent. They have one phone capable of using the LTE network and it's a crappy Samsung featurephone (basically a Gravity T with an LTE modem and a slightly refreshed UI).
The speeds I saw while playing with the demo in the MetroPCS store were barely better than regular old HSDPA on my Vibrant. Definitely not better than HSPA+ on my friend's G2.
If you want real LTE, Verizon's going to likely be the only game in town until AT&T and T-Mobile get their act together, or Sprint tells Clearwire to jump off a bridge. And Verizon's first LTE phone is a seriously dead-sexy Android 2.3, 4.3" screen HTC superphone. It almost makes me want to jump ship and pay Verizon $90 a month for what I pay T-Mobile $65!
Well, I don't even give a crap about the 4g or anything like that as long as it works, what I'm more concerned about is paying 50 a month for unlimited everything.
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AT&T says that they will be launching true LTE in select markets in about a weak. I was just curious whether or not our data speeds will increase as well? I know that we have a theoretical high of 14mbs. I hope that there is some chance of this. I hate that we have a phone that seems to be able to only go at one third of its max speed. Thanks in advance for anyone's input.
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AT&T says that they will be launching true LTE in select markets in about a weak. I was just curious whether or not our data speeds will increase as well? I know that we have a theoretical high of 14mbs. I hope that there is some chance of this. I hate that we have a phone that seems to be able to only go at one third of its max speed. Thanks in advance for anyone's input.
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No, because the Atrix is not an LTE phone.
It might improve if AT&T's network were overly saturated and, with the roll out of LTE, they enhanced their internal network with faster links. But I certainly wouldn't expect miracles.
Ahh what a shame. So we will never get the full data speeds our phones are truly capable of.
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Ahh what a shame. So we will never get the full data speeds our phones are truly capable of.
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That's just it, our phones aren't capable of it. Just b/c they stuck 4G in it doesn't make it so. More like 3 1/2 G capable.
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That's just it, our phones aren't capable of it. Just b/c they stuck 4G in it doesn't make it so. More like 3 1/2 G capable.
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3gs capable. x_X
I have questioned "tech support" reps on the phone about this. They falsely claim that ATRIX will do lte. However the ethereal "backhaul" and broadband upgrades may have the switch flipped. So I think we may see some network improvements in some areas as they upgrade existing towers and deploy new technology.
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They'd have to add backhaul to enable LTE too, as previously mentioned which means more FauxG in more areas. One could argue that lighter hspa congestion would allow us to get closer to our theoretical limit, however for that to happen we would have to see a significant portion of AT&T s subscribers change to LTE and you would only enjoy that bump in areas serviced by AT&T.
So if you sat in a two year time capsule...yes, you would see higher rates, though they still wouldn't be anywhere as fast as LTE.
I have a question if it is possible to flash a radio that will allow the atrix 4g to access the 4g Lte network?? I just heard att is going to be adding their version of the so called 4g lte network to our area and I realize that now that my phone is not a true 4g phone more or less an upgraded version of 3g. Since I was under the impression I could access the lte network and now I know I can't I am wondering if there would be a way to flash a radio that would allow me to access the lte network. Thanks for any information guys and girls!!!
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From my understanding the Atrix is a 4g phone but At&t is just now getting there 4g or lte software up and running in some areas so its not the phone its the network that's not 4g
no, theres no LTE radio inside the atrix.
Before the LTE roll out, HSPA+ was considered 4G. The Atrix has HSPA+ therefore "4G". New bill/law is making carriers changing the ways they're advertising 4g now. LTE is the "new" 4G.
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Welcome to the world of "we made the same technology a bit faster so we are going to call it 4G so we dont get left in the dust". 4G just means 4th Generation. If it is different enough from prior technology, then it is a new generation, but the various "4G" offerings (LTE, HSPA+, wiMax) are no more compatible than the 3G (EVDO, EDGE) are/were.
The idea behind getting everyone to use the name 4G synonymously with LTE is because that is where everyone is evolving to. They wont be able to pick some transitionary technology and pretend that they are caught up.
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Welcome to the world of "we made the same technology a bit faster so we are going to call it 4G so we dont get left in the dust". 4G just means 4th Generation. If it is different enough from prior technology, then it is a new generation, but the various "4G" offerings (LTE, HSPA+, wiMax) are no more compatible than the 3G (EVDO, EDGE) are/were.
The idea behind getting everyone to use the name 4G synonymously with LTE is because that is where everyone is evolving to. They wont be able to pick some transitionary technology and pretend that they are caught up.
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Actually, some speeds need to be reached for the carriers/phone makers to call it 4G. These peek speed limits were set by the international telecommunication union (ITU).
" peak speed requirements for 4G service at 100 Mbit/s for high mobility communication (such as from trains and cars) and 1 Gbit/s for low mobility communication (such as pedestrians and stationary users)"
search for 4G on wikipedia for more information
Yea just a little bummed I wont be able to access 4gLTE speeds in my atrix 4g... I was just misinformed when I bought the phone I guess. Goes to show you how much research you hablve to do in order to find out the truth. Is it possible to flash a 4GLTE radio to the atrix or are we "SOL"? our phones definitely don't lack the speed as the atrix still is up there with the brand new phones.
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The ITU declared AT&T's HSPA+ as 4G along with T-Mobile's HSPA+ and Verizon's LTE network. Prior to that, not even LTE or Wimax were considered 4G.
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/12/hspa-now-officially-4g-according-to-itu/
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Yea just a little bummed I wont be able to access 4gLTE speeds in my atrix 4g... I was just misinformed when I bought the phone I guess. Goes to show you how much research you hablve to do in order to find out the truth. Is it possible to flash a 4GLTE radio to the atrix or are we "SOL"? our phones definitely don't lack the speed as the atrix still is up there with the brand new phones.
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We're SOL. My understanding is the hardware is different.
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Yea just a little bummed I wont be able to access 4gLTE speeds in my atrix 4g... I was just misinformed when I bought the phone I guess. Goes to show you how much research you hablve to do in order to find out the truth. Is it possible to flash a 4GLTE radio to the atrix or are we "SOL"? our phones definitely don't lack the speed as the atrix still is up there with the brand new phones.
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Consider this.............Atrix 4G is a cat 10 device. This means capable of 14.4Mbits/s down and 5.76Mbits/s up. The phone is not holding us back, the networks are. If they delivered enough bandwidth and coverage we would be able to utilize these speeds. Because they don't, we are stuck with what they give/throttle us at. In a nutshell, the Atrix is capable of A LOT more speed than our providers allow.
4G means nothing!!
4G doesn't mean anything anymore. None of these networks give the speeds that 4G was supposed to give. LTE Advanced is going to be the game changer in my eyes. http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/weinschenk/like-lte-you-aint-seen-nothin-yet/?cs=49064
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I have a question if it is possible to flash a radio that will allow the atrix 4g to access the 4g Lte network?? I just heard att is going to be adding their version of the so called 4g lte network to our area and I realize that now that my phone is not a true 4g phone more or less an upgraded version of 3g. Since I was under the impression I could access the lte network and now I know I can't I am wondering if there would be a way to flash a radio that would allow me to access the lte network. Thanks for any information guys and girls!!!
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There is no hardware for 4G LTE in the Atrix , so its a straight no. What u can see as flashing radio are nothing buy different drivers for the wireless radio modem.
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I read somewhere that you can log into your att account and see what data plan you are on to ensure you can get HSPA+s speeds but i cant find that info anymore. does anyone know?
My roomate came from a samsung captivate to an atrix 4g and we want to make sure he's getting the full speed possible
If u own an matrix 4g you're deffinatrly never going to get 4g speed because real 4g doesn't exist yet h+ is jut a bit faster than 3g and deffinately limited and there no extra charge for h+ because it isn't much different.
Download speed test on the market and u can see ur up and down speeds
At best it is 3.5G and depending where you live you won't see h+ speeds but wish u luck
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If u own an matrix 4g you're deffinatrly never going to get 4g speed because real 4g doesn't exist yet h+ is jut a bit faster than 3g and deffinately limited and there no extra charge for h+ because it isn't much different.
Download speed test on the market and u can see ur up and down speeds
At best it is 3.5G and depending where you live you won't see h+ speeds but wish u luck
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I know all this, as i have an LTE nexus on verizon
but i still want to know how to check if his account is setup for HSPA+ after coming from a non "4g" att phone
Att requires a smartphone data plan with the purchase of the atrix. All att data plans have the same speed. If he bought the phone through att, he has a data plan, he has att "4g".
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Att requires a smartphone data plan with the purchase of the atrix. All att data plans have the same speed. If he bought the phone through att, he has a data plan, he has att "4g".
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From what I've read, there are 3 different data plans. Basic smart phone, smart phone with 4g, and some other one I don't know.
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From what I've read, there are 3 different data plans. Basic smart phone, smart phone with 4g, and some other one I don't know.
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(All data plans do not have the same speed as someone else stated).
The other one is iPhone data plan. Actually, I believe there is also a BB plan.
When you purchase an Atrix they automatically put you on the correct data plan, so you need to check nothing. That data plan will be 2GB, 4GB, or unlimited data on 4G, which is not real 4G as was already stated.
If you are really that concerned about your roommate's data plan, tell him to call AT&T for crying out loud and talk to them!
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(All data plans do not have the same speed as someone else stated).
The other one is iPhone data plan. Actually, I believe there is also a BB plan.
When you purchase an Atrix they automatically put you on the correct data plan, so you need to check nothing. That data plan will be 2GB, 4GB, or unlimited data on 4G, which is not real 4G as was already stated.
If you are really that concerned about your roommate's data plan, tell him to call AT&T for crying out loud and talk to them!
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He didn't purchase it from att, got one off Craig's list . He has a grandfathered unlimited plan. We all know how dumb customer service reps can be.
Ok so you know the plan. Unlimited. that's all it will say on the site. If you insist, you log in and navigate to your account and plan settings. If you want to test speed, download speedtest from the market.
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under Mobile Network Type, you should see "HSPA". That is the best ya gonna get from most AT&T connections (so called 3.5G) I don't recall ever seeing it say HSPA+. If you have UMTS, you are getting old "mediaNet" speeds, probably a fallback from a crappy signal from the tower. I don't know how the 4gLTE displays.
edit: this is indicative of what type of signal you are getting, not what plan you have. But if you have HSPA, you got the plan you want.
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under Mobile Network Type, you should see "HSPA". That is the best ya gonna get from most AT&T connections (so called 3.5G) I don't recall ever seeing it say HSPA+. If you have UMTS, you are getting old "mediaNet" speeds, probably a fallback from a crappy signal from the tower. I don't know how the 4gLTE displays.
edit: this is indicative of what type of signal you are getting, not what plan you have. But if you have HSPA, you got the plan you want.
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Not an expert on att so not trying to argue, but according to this, just because your seeing hspa signal, does not mean you are getting enhanced speeds.
http://gdgt.com/discuss/how-i-was-finally-provisioned-for-4g-on-my-atandt-galaxy-nexus-i8z/
The different data plans do not affect speed, just the amount of data you can use. You are limited to what your phone's hardware can do and your coverage.
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