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hi there im doing my rounds In LA soon and would love to buy a hero out there my main concern is, when i return to the UK will it work with one of my UK networks... any one have any insight into this.....
If it is unlocked , answer is tes.
My hero was on Orange UK ,and using with 3 network and will most certainly work with networks in US.
The answer is no!
The Sprint Hero is a CDMA device. It doesn't have a SIM card slot, because CDMA devices don't use SIM cards, so you can't give it another "identity" by inserting a different SIM like you can a GSM phone.
I believe that there are some phones that support both CDMA and GSM, and these can operate on both types of network because they have a radio that supports both and a SIM card slot.
Note that some CDMA networks have implemented what they call a UIM, which does the same job as a SIM card, but isn't compatible.
Regards.
Dave
Lord Lucan said:
My hero was on Orange UK ,and using with 3 network and will most certainly work with networks in US.
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In the US, it will work on T-Mobile and AT&T (GSM networks) but not Sprint and Verizon (CDMA networks). Note that you will also not get 3G from the GSM networks, because the Euro Hero doesn't support the 3G bands needed by either AT&T and T-Mobile, so EDGE is the best you will see.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
In the US, it will work on T-Mobile and AT&T (GSM networks) but not Sprint and Verizon (CDMA networks). Note that you will also not get 3G from the GSM networks, because the Euro Hero doesn't support the 3G bands needed by either AT&T and T-Mobile, so EDGE is the best you will see.
Regards,
Dave
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this doesent answer my question it does the opposite.....
im trying to find out.. if a US hero that i buy in the US will work on any uk network....??
My previous post answered your question! The second post was commenting on what Lord Lucan had said.
Regards,
Dave
so dave in the us cant i just buy a sim free non network hero... ?
The "worldwide" GSM Hero does not support any of the 3G bands employed by networks in the US. So, if you were to buy a GSM Hero, it would work on either T-Mobile US or AT&T, but the best you would get, data wise, is EDGE whilst you are in the US. When you come back to the UK, you would be able to get 3G.
The US Hero, otherwise known as the Sprint Hero, is a CDMA device. This will not work at all on any UK networks.
Regards,
Dave
cool thanks for reply's dave.. looks like im gonna get one. ok so does anyone know where i could pick one up while im there.. im staying in west hollywood.
Why do you want to physically buy one in the US?
You can buy one from Expansys in the US for $540, or in the UK for £370 (with £30 worth of vouchers).
Assuming you could find a local retailer which stocks them in West Hollywood with prices similar to Expansys, you'd have to pay sales tax on it @ 9.75% would bring the cost pretty close to £370.
Regards,
Dave
becasue i have loads of usd to burn and not loads of GBP are you glad you now know my business......anyway back to where a retailer might be
i dont thing it would have uk 3g
would it?
Sorry probably none of my business but what use would the Sprint hero serve you in the UK since it is not possible to connect to any UK network or did I misunderstand. Wouldn't you be better off with the UK hero, at least that one could be rooted. Personally I would rather have that one, but the grass is always greener right.
erasmogjr said:
Sorry probably none of my business but what use would the Sprint hero serve you in the UK since it is not possible to connect to any UK network or did I misunderstand. Wouldn't you be better off with the UK hero, at least that one could be rooted. Personally I would rather have that one, but the grass is always greener right.
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no wrong your whole post is a wrong... i have a USD budget for every year.. so i dont care what price it is i just wanted to get one while im out there.. and as currently posted before like 3 times.. i don't want a sprint one.....so where might i be able to pick a non sprint hero up while in LA.. ?????????
mceiht said:
no wrong your whole post is a wrong... i have a USD budget for every year.. so i dont care what price it is i just wanted to get one while im out there.. and as currently posted before like 3 times.. i don't want a sprint one.....so where might i be able to pick a non sprint hero up while in LA.. ?????????
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umm...there is no non-sprint hero in the US. The cdma hero aka the US hero aka the SPRINT hero is ONLY available on sprint and from sprint. This phone does not use a sim card or any thing like it, when you turn one on for the first time it automatically connects to the sprint network and is linked to the number of the sprint subscriber that purchases by the phones unique ESN number, which cannot be changed legally. If you want a chinless hero, the one that is available on sprint and does not look at all like the UK hero, it will only and can only connect to CDMA networks and as far as I know only sprint. So no my post was not A wrong, I admitted to being kinda lost I just asked what use would a phone that you can not use as a phone serve you, a also asked if I had misunderstood, which I am sure now that I did not, you seem to be the lost one. When you get your US hero and try to unlock it for a gsm network, where are you going to stick the SIM card, please send me a video of you trying to put it into the phone, that will be fun to watch.
I've been doing some research and I haven't found any success stories for radio s=off on the Thunderbolt or anyone buying an unlock code. Most companies selling codes are shaky and typically don't end up providing a code.
I've unlocked a Mytouch 4G (for my dad) manually and got a code to unlock a HD2 (for my brother) from T-Mobile. Both phones are activated on AT&T and work but cannot get 3G. I tried swapping sims with the HD2 and Thunderbolt and neither phone would make calls. Apparently our sims wont work on a sim unlocked GSM phone so if the Thunderbolt was sim unlocked, would it work on a GSM network?
Sent from my 4G Thunderbolt.
well the thunderbolt is not a world phone... 2nd the sim card supplied by verizon is for
using the 4g LTE network only...
case in point you couldnt use any other sim card to use on other carriers...
but then again you might be able to unlock it but you would be giving up
4g LTE over 3g i dont see the logic in that...
I'm really just curious.
Sent from my 4G Thunderbolt.
It will never work, end of story.
I doubt there's a provider lock on the Thunderbolt. It's sort of non-standard, using CDMA for voice and LTE for data.
ATT/T-Mob are UMTS (GSM), Verizon is CDMA-2000/LTE. A phone from one side not working on the other has nothing to do with SIMs or SIM locking.
Even when ATT gets around to doing their LTE upgrade, a Thunderbolt would be unlikely to work at all on their network - the best hope might be for data only.
Also, to be clear, the Verizon card isn't really a SIM (although even Verizon calls it that), it's a UICC, with both USIM (for LTE) and CSIM (for CDMA) applications. It's unlikely to have a SIM application, since Verizon doesn't support GSM.
Hi, I'm in California and I have an Motorola Atrix with AT&T and I just unlocked my phone because I'm about to switch to T-mobile...
However, my friend told me that AT&T and T-Mobile has different 4G networks. He said the AT&T Atrix can not use 3G or 4G speed on a T-Mobile network, It can only go up to Edge speed.... Is that true? Does anyone know about this?
Hope some people can help me here ...
Thank you
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Hi, I'm in California and I have an Motorola Atrix with AT&T and I just unlocked my phone because I'm about to switch to T-mobile...
However, my friend told me that AT&T and T-Mobile has different 4G networks. He said the AT&T Atrix can not use 3G or 4G speed on a T-Mobile network, It can only go up to Edge speed.... Is that true? Does anyone know about this?
Hope some people can help me here ...
Thank you
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From everything I have read that is correct, but also know that it won't be much longer till you are back as an AT&T customer since they are acquiring T-Mobile.
tomcklam said:
Hi, I'm in California and I have an Motorola Atrix with AT&T and I just unlocked my phone because I'm about to switch to T-mobile...
However, my friend told me that AT&T and T-Mobile has different 4G networks. He said the AT&T Atrix can not use 3G or 4G speed on a T-Mobile network, It can only go up to Edge speed.... Is that true? Does anyone know about this?
Hope some people can help me here ...
Thank you
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Its true. While both AT&T and T-Mobile use HSPA+ for their "4G" speeds, they run on different bands. If you want 3G/4G, use a T-Mobile phone. Otherwise, enjoy EDGE. Opera Mini with images set to low will be a big help.
T-Mobile leases cellular space from AT&T which is why unlocked AT&T phones can use T-Mobile service. Not sure if it is the phone's software issue that is causing the 4G/3Gnot working. It's possible that T-mobile implemented their so called 4G first but it's still AT&T equipment.....I work for AT&T. Also 4G, is just higher speed 3G, 4G LTE won't be rolling out until next year.
Thank you for the quick reply... I need to get a T-Mobile phone then.
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From everything I have read that is correct, but also know that it won't be much longer till you are back as an AT&T customer since they are acquiring T-Mobile.
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Yep, but sucks that they still charge minutes when I call a T-Mobile number. I'm switching it for my girlfriend, so I can get Unlimited mobile to mobile minutes... I might get a sensation when I switch to T-Mobile
Phoneguy589 said:
T-Mobile leases cellular space from AT&T which is why unlocked AT&T phones can use T-Mobile service. Not sure if it is the phone's software issue that is causing the 4G/3Gnot working. It's possible that T-mobile implemented their so called 4G first but it's still AT&T equipment.....I work for AT&T. Also 4G, is just higher speed 3G, 4G LTE won't be rolling out until next year.
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Good job on the misinformation front.
And also not being helpful, I'm going to assume your in sales and don't actually know anything.
Now on to the OP's question.
T-Mobile uses the same type of technology as AT&T however they operate on different bands. As such most devices that are sold on AT&T will be able work on T-Mobile for phone and edge but don't get 3g or hspa+ due to the radio in the device only supporting some of the bands. Which is why as a general rule AT&T phones such as the iphone, will work on T-Mobile if unlocked but can't use 3g because it doesn't have the ability to operate in the correct MHZ range. Its the same going from T-Mobile to AT&T. My HD2 was awesome, other then the slow data. *Not that my atrix or inspire are much better.
There are exceptions to the rule though. You'll have to check to see which bands the Atrix is capable of using. I know some of the Samsung devices had all the GSM bands so they worked fine on all networks.
the answer is NO the atrix will not work on tmobile USA 3G or 4G network. there, done!
tomcklam said:
Thank you for the quick reply... I need to get a T-Mobile phone then.
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Problem is that if/when the AT&T/T-mobile merger goes through, AT&T will likely flip Tmobile's 3g towers to 4g. All tmobile 3G phones...sorry no more 3g unless you buy a new phone. yay....
linky
AT&T said Monday that it planned to convert T-Mobile's 3G towers to 4G service and move T-Mobile 3G subscribers to AT&T 3G phones.
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gnahc79 said:
Problem is that if/when the AT&T/T-mobile merger goes through, AT&T will likely flip Tmobile's 3g towers to 4g. All tmobile 3G phones...sorry no more 3g unless you buy a new phone. yay....
linky
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They won't just flip a switch and everyone has to buy new phones. They will be phased out as people finish contracts and begin new ones. If they don't, they'll be buying T-Mobile customers all new phones or paying fatcat lawyers to defend them from all the lawsuits.
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They won't just flip a switch and everyone has to buy new phones. They will be phased out as people finish contracts and begin new ones. If they don't, they'll be buying T-Mobile customers all new phones or paying fatcat lawyers to defend them from all the lawsuits.
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Agreed, sorry I used the term 'flip', never meant to say it would happen instantly . The article I linked stated the switch would take several years. That's not written in stone though, AT&T could move up the timeline if they are losing too many customers to Verizon and Sprint.
This is only an issue if you plan on keeping your tmobile 3g phone for YEARS, which is not likely for anyone that frequents xda .
Looking at pictures of the Rezound, it looked as if it has sim card support, is there any known way to root/unlock the phone to use on T-mobile/AT&T?? if so i need one...
no the sim card is for LTE only. Sorry! It doesn't have GSM or HSPA support. Only CDMA EvDo 1xRTT and LTE
Ah bummer. Well ill definently have to consider virizon instead of tmobile when i get my own contract
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Excuse my ignorance, but just trying to sort this out. Realise it uses an LTE sim card, but as I live in China was hoping to put in a china telecom sim card and use it on their CDMA2000 network (which it does support).
This possible? Thanks in advance.
The sim card is solely for LTE if that helps. It may be possible to flash it to their network but I cannot answer a yes or no
It depends on the spectrum your LTE network uses. The phone should function CDMA only if you or your carrier know how to flash it correctly. Verizon uses a special LTE spectrum range they bought from the FCC known as C-Class if I remember correctly. It was sold after the US went from Analog to Digital TV. There were A-E Class Spectrum and C apparently was the best for whatever reason. I don't know to say anyone on here would know any more info than that in regards to the frequencies.
Thanks, I don't know how to flash it and I assume my carrier probably doesn't know how to or want to either. Shame. Really wanted this phone. It is being sold on taobao here (Chinese ebay equivalent) so maybe a solution will be found in the future.
There is a program called CDMA Workshop that most places in the US use to flash CDMA phones from major carriers to pre-paid carriers. I am sure someone over there could do the same. I lived in South Korea for 2 years, the stuff they could do was ridiculous, and I know China is the same. Actually, my neighbor is from China and is pretty tech Savvy too. I will text him later as he was just in China a couple weeks ago.
He said his girlfriend was able to bring her iPhone from China and have it flashed. Should work the other way around. As far as LTE though, beyond me.
If the qualdcom processor on the EVO is ment to support LTE which in turn uses a sim card shouldn't that make the phone a world phone I know it is suppose to have an embeded sim. But my true question is will we be able to reporgram the sim once we get root or will write have to go with more of a hardware mod if we wish to make it a world phone.
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If the qualdcom processor on the EVO is ment to support LTE which in turn uses a sim card shouldn't that make the phone a world phone I know it is suppose to have an embeded sim. But my true question is will we be able to reporgram the sim once we get root or will write have to go with more of a hardware mod if we wish to make it a world phone.
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Sprint uses embedded LTE technology to my knowledge, so its not like on Verizon where there is an LTE sim card. Also, this phone is a CDMA phone, and therefore does not have a regular sim card slot (Like phones on ATT or TMo). No software modifications will change this, and I highly doubt that anyone could even attempt to make a hardware modification to make this phone a world phone. Also, and LTE sim card is not the same as a regular sim card, as they perform different actions (access to LTE and the rest of the network is seperate).
Yeah I was thinking that it does not have the slot the thing is that the processor does support gsm also I was kinda hopeing it was like the rezound it is cdma phone on Verizon. It was found out that just by removing verizons LTE sim card and adding a gsm one it allowed the phone to work as a gsm phone.
the evo lte does not have the GSM and HSPA+ radios to be a world phone
When I preordered, the rep told me it was a world phone. I didn't think she was right but I didn't say anything.
Yeah i read the same post on Engadget i think. What a bummer was hopping it was since it is rocking the same processor that the at&t one (correct me if im wrong). Plus like i also stated was hopping it was like the HTC rezound on Verizon that with a experiment it ended up working. O well .... still kinda wanna take it apart and try wouldn't be xda without some experimenting or moding.
My friend has a Droid bionic which wasn't supposed to have GSM support, but it did through some hacks on rootzwiki and using a T-Mobile sim card. I think that the s4 includes a GSM radio, so its probably possible at least if the sim card can be accessed. Lte is GSM based so it is likely that GSM support is there if software is modified like it was on the bionic.
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When I preordered, the rep told me it was a world phone. I didn't think she was right but I didn't say anything.
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Sure, you can use it anywhere in the world that has a compatible CDMA network.
Many identify world phone with GSM radios (which the Evo 4G LTE does not have), but CDMA (which it does have) does work well for roaming in Asia.
I've roamed with my Evo 4G across Japan, Korea, and China for both voice and data. There's a full list of countries with CDMA roaming on the Sprint website. As soon as you arrive in country (if roaming works), you receive a free text with the rates and instructions on how to make international calls.