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Noob here. Long time on XDA, beginner in Android.
I haven't looked much here nor read much because this came up just today and don't have much time (so please don't bash, rather help me, thank you).
I have been looking forward to switch to Android but have not found a good priced phone within my price range. Today I stumbled across an Xperia X10 and I don't want it to slip away as within my price range.
Did a few readings on specs and it comes with Android 1.6.
Is the Xperia X10 upgradable to 2.1 or 2.2 Froyo(soon)?
Thank you for you help.
Bteljuice
Devs are working on custom bootloader and seem to be making good progress, currently the answer is no, but soon hopefully custom roms will be out.
Also Sony Ericsson will be releasing 2.1 by September
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Thank you NightSide for the quick reply.
Yes, I did read that in Q4, Sony will release 2.1 for all X10 series. But I thought that has something to do with the UI sony has.
However, there's something I don't get. Most 1GHz Android devices in the market will have upgrades to 2.2 Froyo in OCT and NOV. Why won't X10 as well.
One more very important question that I missed. Does the X10 have Multitouch? or will it be enable when 2.1 is available? Pinch to zoom, rotate etc.. Very important for me
I hate to say it, but if you are indieed a long time on XDA, then you'd know to search first... All your questions have been debated in the forum a number of times...
k1sr said:
I hate to say it, but if you are indieed a long time on XDA, then you'd know to search first... All your questions have been debated in the forum a number of times...
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When I opened the thread, I didnt have time to search. I NEEDED IMMEDIATE RESPONSE, which i got, thank you NightSide.
I do know NOW that X10 does not support multi touch, but had heard and read rumors that maybe on 2.1, x10 might get multitouch. And if not, a skilled member would find a way as already one of our members found a way for dual touch on a few phones (I know it works on TP2).
And it wouldn't have hurt my friend, to be nice and answer few of my questions. After all, we are here to help and I did say in my first post why I couldn't search.
Bteljuice
bteljuice said:
I do know NOW that X10 does not support multi touch, but had heard and read rumors that maybe on 2.1, x10 might get multitouch. And if not, a skilled member would find a way as already one of our members found a way for dual touch on a few phones (I know it works on TP2).
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Yup... you're right on that. Just rumors...
I thought it was confirmed that X10 would not be able to support DT or MT at all as it ain't just the s/w part but rather the h/w plays a role as well. And X10 don't have the h/w to do so... this is what I read... could be wrong.
Nonetheless, this is still a great phone for me. Sure there are 'flaws' here and there but nothing major. 'Upgraded' from X1... and not regretting it...
If you have a deal that fits your budget.... (if I were you) go get it...
bteljuice said:
When I opened the thread, I didnt have time to search. I NEEDED IMMEDIATE RESPONSE, which i got, thank you NightSide.
I do know NOW that X10 does not support multi touch, but had heard and read rumors that maybe on 2.1, x10 might get multitouch. And if not, a skilled member would find a way as already one of our members found a way for dual touch on a few phones (I know it works on TP2).
And it wouldn't have hurt my friend, to be nice and answer few of my questions. After all, we are here to help and I did say in my first post why I couldn't search.
Bteljuice
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Agreed, however you will find (if you search) that the answers to your questions are both yes and no... all you're really starting is another thread debating whether multitouch is or is not possible, and whether SE will go to 2.2 in the near future.
That aside, 2.1 is confirmed for Q4 - the rest, rumours, speculation, debate... but apart from that...
bteljuice said:
I do know NOW that X10 does not support multi touch, but had heard and read rumors that maybe on 2.1, x10 might get multitouch. And if not, a skilled member would find a way as already one of our members found a way for dual touch on a few phones (I know it works on TP2).
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I remember reading from some dev thread that there indeed are drivers for multitouch in the kernel, but they are disabled or something. I'm pretty sure it will be investigated after we get custom roms etc.
Also note that the update to 2.1 is scheduled for Q3 not Q4, so it's coming earlier than you initially thought. There is however another update coming to enhance the SE UXP or whatever ie Timescape and Mediascape, that is scheduled for Q4 and is supposed to bring 720p video recording as well as media broadcasting on your TV...something like that.
ooidort said:
I remember reading from some dev thread that there indeed are drivers for multitouch in the kernel, but they are disabled or something. I'm pretty sure it will be investigated after we get custom roms etc.
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that's my understanding as well...the G1 went through something similar no??
*Mod please move this thread to General and out of Dev
MT/DT .. rumors.
We need custom roms to verify if it can be enabled by 3rd party but no custom roms yet.
Until then, if you don't want to be disappointed, consider that X10 doesn't have it.
2.1 was delayed it seems to Q4, i've read it on SE blog.
Some examples of user benefits that will be included in the UXP upgrade for Xperia™ X10 in Q4 2010 are:
- Upgrade to Android OS version 2.1
- HD video recording as per the same execution as Sony Ericsson Vivaz™
- Wireless home connectivity via DLNA
- Improvements to signature applications Timescape™ and Mediascape to make them even smarter and richer
The upgrade will be made available to consumers through the update service at www.sonyericsson.com
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Source: http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2010/05/05/sony-ericsson-xperia%E2%84%A2-x10-to-get-uxp-upgrade-in-q4-2010/
2.2 MIGHT come somewhere in 2011 if SE will still support the phone
For 2.2 our best hope are the XDA devs.
tuxStyle said:
MT/DT .. rumors.
We need custom roms to verify if it can be enabled by 3rd party but no custom roms yet.
Until then, if you don't want to be disappointed, consider that X10 doesn't have it.
2.1 was delayed it seems to Q4, i've read it on SE blog.
Source: http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2010/05/05/sony-ericsson-xperia%E2%84%A2-x10-to-get-uxp-upgrade-in-q4-2010/
2.2 MIGHT come somewhere in 2011 if SE will still support the phone
For 2.2 our best hope are the XDA devs.
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"...This entry was posted on Wednesday, May 5th, 2010..."
I also took the plunge on Andriod> I've been a long time HTC HD user using custom rom and it came to a point where i needed an upgrade. Choose x10 because of its hardware potential even though most reviews commented on laggy screen response, i need not worry because i know the excellent chefs here are more than capable of turning this phone into something special
Has anyone notice on SE website for updates that the X10 gets it update I believe next week. Does that mean us X10 mini pro users get this update or will we have to wait longer to get the 2.1 update?
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Can you please send a link for the article?
Twitter for SE UK said:
The updates are due to be released around the same time however this may be slightly later than the X10 release.
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Link: http://twitter.com/SonyEricssonUK/statuses/27722155276
"slightly" would be one month later...?
MasterKira said:
"slightly" would be one month later...?
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Knowing SE, 'Shortly after' would be one month later.. 'Slightly later' could be January..Or february.. Who knows, it could be forever...
It's my birthday (this month) so it better be now
Don't worry guys:
"SonyEricssonUK @Manny Hi Manny. I can't give you an
exact date just yet but hope for an announcement very very soon. Will keep you updated for sure."
If it helps
"very very soon"
I'm gona pee in my pants...
Manny- said:
Don't worry guys:
"SonyEricssonUK @Manny Hi Manny. I can't give you an
exact date just yet but hope for an announcement very very soon. Will keep you updated for sure."
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Announcement? http://www.xperiax10.net/2010/10/20/timescape-and-social-phonebook-from-android-2-1-update-demoed/
cchaos said:
Announcement? http://www.xperiax10.net/2010/10/20/timescape-and-social-phonebook-from-android-2-1-update-demoed/
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Guys, are we waiting for an announcement of for an update? If for an announcement, you all should be extra-happy, because we´ve got several already. If for an update, I will believe when I´ll see it available. So far it all is vaporware.
Was using an X10 mini pro for a couple of days....
Send it back to amazon last monday.
1.6 is horrible, 2.1 ist also out of date, no real connectivity to exchange (I have to use 2 excahnge accounts[work/private])
2.1 will solve this half a way.
The real satisfaction would came to me with froyo, but I believe we will this never seen on the mini's, what a shame, nice hardware, really lovely, lack of SE support.
Why they close the bootloader so hard ?
In this case, I will lok for another brand, maybe come back when 2.2 is available for this little fun making device.
most of us here like the mini/pro and we all know froyos not going to happen but what do you expect on such a small device, you want the latest software? I'm glad we're going to get 2.1 at least rather than sticking with 1.6, like the G1
i saw the information on the SE website, I don't want all the sony crap but due to price i was kind of stuck with the x10 mini pro. Once we crack the boot loader we shall be able to have fun. I guess we got to wait till next month to get our updates
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what do you expect on such a small device, you want the latest software?
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The size is not the problem, SE's bootloader is it.
The processor is strong enough to drive 2.2.
Compared to my Hero the mini is fast as twice.
well then wait until the devs get to work whos knows what they can do...
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what do you expect on such a small device, you want the latest software?
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The device is small, but dont let the size fool you. Underneath its compact body X10 mini/pro packs power punch..
The hardware of x10 mini/pro is very impressive, and it can very well handle Froyo.
And SE should really release 2.2 update since HTC has updated Wildfire with Froyo. So if Wildfire can run Froyo, X10 mini/pro can sprint it.
Thats exactly my point, don't just give up on the device (referring to derDominic when i say this) and say that it wont get froyo at all... its a powerful device i know were only on 1.6 atm but who knows after the 2.1 update we'll probs even get 2.2 from the devs...
WHen 2.2 will be available as AOSP, I can buy it again.
In the meanwhile, I play around with my hero, and btw, Saturday I will by a Desire in Black, I believe I will call her Desiré
And further, the X10 will not stick on my Clingo holder
i have started from t28 till then all my phone were from se its the first time and the last that se betray me...2.1?You just lost a customer that own more than 28 se devices if anyone think i m joking i can post my imeis...se you just dissapointed me...thats a shame of you... owner of x10 mini my last se mobile...HTC IM COMING FOR FROYO...
I remotely check my office PC and its PC Companion was recently updated to 2.01.058 just now. I'm having trouble with PC Companion here at home. Will fix this and hope this is it!!!
http://www.xperiax10.net/2011/01/06/official-xperia-x10-family-will-not-receive-upgrade-to-froyo-or-beyond/
Well.. looks like SE are writing off the entire X10 line in favor of their new devices running 2.3 coming out later this year, so thats a big NO from sony ericsson about getting 2.2.. ever!
Lets hope the DEV's can cook something up..
COME ON SE RELEASE THE BOOT LOADER ALREADY!!!!!!!! (if your not gonna support us, let us support ourselves!)
Great.
But think about it. It could be worse (they would even downgrade our phones if they could)
Regards, D_d
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Great.
But think about it. It could be worse (they would even downgrade our phones if they could)
Regards, D_d
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If only they could.. oh wait.. the last update? loosing root.. I would call that a downgrade.. just wait for the next one.. it will magic our phones back to 1.6!
if people stopped playing with these make shift Roms and actually concentrated on hacking the bootloader we might actually get 2.2 or even 2.3.. seems everyone has given up tho and settled for backup style roms.. looks like SE has won
(even so.. I am looking forward to the new mini replacement with 1Ghz processor, X8 size screen and Gingerbread...mmm.. droooool.. call me a sucker for punishment)
that sucks, but i still love my x10 mini, this is my first android phone and thanks to xda, im getting brave enough to play with it...
xperia10.net is a untrustable source.
that was a good step from xperia10.net
they do the rumor, and wait for SE to official deny it or confirm it.
I would say few days to have official information on this
I do quote my own first line of this post...
On a positive note, it seems we will get ANT+ support on the X10 mini/pro and X8. Seems like the hardware is in place, they will now add the needed software support.
I for one like this more than an version bump for android. All applications I want to use run on 2.1 (this was not so when it was only at 1.6). And having ANT+ in the future is very nice. I already own a couple ANT+ devices as I sport a lot..
bitmovel said:
xperia10.net is a untrustable source.
that was a good step from xperia10.net
they do the rumor, and wait for SE to official deny it or confirm it.
I would say few days to have official information on this
I do quote my own first line of this post...
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It has been confirmed officially by Rikard Skogberg in se product launch blog.
They can still change their mind after all complaints but i've lost hope
ste71m said:
It has been confirmed officially by Rikard Skogberg in se product launch blog.
They can still change their mind after all complaints but i've lost hope
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where is the official link?
it was tweeted yesterday
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http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/...-and-carriers-adopt-android-update-guidelines
This would also mean that x8, x10 mini and x10 mini pro will be obliged to receive further Android updates. Since the guidelines from google also include already released phones.
Since the Release of the mini/mini pro its almost a year so we would still have a few months left on our updates.
Lets hope SE decides to do it.
Is it not only for "new devices"?
On a german news site a read it will also include older devices. But i guess we will have to wait and see
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I hope that our X10 mini/pro will be also included in this
Official Gingerbread would be pretty nice, I'm thankful for nobodyatall's and the other developers work on their custom ROMS, right now the VGA-only camera and lack of Flash is the only thing stopping me from moving over to MiniCM7.
Hmm. This is very interesting and I can't believe Google is coming to our rescue (really they're just defending their business etc. but we benefit).
I notice in the article it does say new devices. But yes our Minis are still under SE's 2 year update. However, SE have bullshi**ted before about what these phones are capable of re: X10 dualtouch etc. then release it. But, our devices under SE's 2 years and the new Minis on 2.3 makes me think that there is still a chance. I've read some devs on here say that much will be different in the new Minis and porting the software in the future will likely not work, but I still think SE could port it themselves via an official 'generic' release like they did with the X10. Not telling us that now saves them 5million questions every day about when we get it. Let's hope something is leaked...I LOVE leaks...
http://www.ptcrb.com/ctiastaff/complete/view_complete_request.cfm?modelid=16755
What are these April 2011 updates certified? Has anyone discussed them?...
Phoney, I think you'll be more than pleasantly surprised with the MiniCM7 ROM from Owain and Slade87. I've been using it for two weeks now and found the upgrade process very simple. The rom offers dual touch, access to the full 256mb of internal storage, very easy to put your apps onto sd, you can run it faster than the 600 Mhz specified by Sony, its a very stable rom.
Just make sure you do a backup first, you can always recover back to the standard SE rom, then you'll realise just how bad it is.
You'll turn your mini pro into a brand new, sexy rom for only a few hours (probably less than that) work.
I also use Owain and Slades Custom ROM and ist very Stable , Fast and works great
Its worth to update that rom!
And i think that SE will not bring bigger updates for us!! so Iam lucky that this community have so great DEVS
So big thx to Owain and Slade87
In my opinion, we should encourage SE to update our devices to gingerbread..
Personally I would only have a peak and probably return to the ROM I'm currently using (NobodyAtAll's CM7 ASOP). The main advantage i see here however is that things like full 5mp camera support etc.. would be much simpler to obtain if it just becomes a question of moving the various files and drivers from SE's 2.3.4 to NAA's or any other CM7/2.3 rom
i'd rather using your ROM slade , its alot better xD
means tat we will get the ginger bread?
that means that the old ones xperia will be very very stable with those new android firmwares?
Hell Yea!!
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i'd rather using your ROM slade , its alot better xD
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lo mismo digo yo
w00t! If they update us to GB or even Froyo, that means they will need to update the kernel to support functionality in the new versions. (e.g. tethering/iptables) Keeping my fingers crossed.
Unless I'm mistaken, that Google agreement mentioned ONLY NEW devices. There is no news, as far as I know right now, that this covers devices already released. I just thought I'd say this before people start blowing up balloons - there is absolutely no hint of 2.3 for our Minis by SE so I don't know where people get the excitement from.
I don't know whether you've read about the security issues regarding the vulnerability of the android phones
blogs.computerworld.com/18304/scary_android_security_hole_in_99_of_phones_panic?af[/url]
(sorry, can't post links yet)
but in whatever way google tackles this problem, this issue might prompt them to release further updates to every android phone. Article says only versions 2.3.4. or later are safe.
I read this indeed ^^^^ and I think Google is much more serious about updating than manufacturers. I don't know what kind of pressure they might exert on manufacturers to update recently released devices both because of this security issue (before 2.3) and because of that new 18 month agreement for updates. Here's hoping.
Hope we get updated...
I think they should hire owain and slade - that would solve lot of things
It's only for NEW devices and unfortunately SE doesn't say anything about us
I found this post in internet, and it looks real.
http://se-xperia.com/vodafone-au-to-test-2-3-on-x10-mini-pro-soon/
If this is real.... YUPIIIIII.... I'm skeptical, but hopeful...
It was real.. but now it's been updated on Vodafone Australia that this was an error
was too good to be true
They say it's due to hardware restrictions, but so far XDA members such as slade, d4 & owain have proven this to be wrong.
It could be that vodafone revealed something that SE did not want to be public just yet. SE have made a U-turns in their decision for the X10 to get 2.3 last week.
So don't feel let down just yet
yes i think same..they just said no updates for 2.1 android family but give update once arc is old.. as they want there old users to buy new models... same now they launch xperia mini & pro they want that we users buy that new models..& after few months they definitely give us update as this is easy for them to convert new mini handset software to our old models...
however if they dont provide updates we dont loose anything as we are already using gingerbeard va cutom rom... but i personaly feels that they provide us update as lg gives gingerbeard to optimus 1 & that had same hardware...
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They say it's due to hardware restrictions, but so far XDA members such as slade, d4 & owain have proven this to be wrong.
It could be that vodafone revealed something that SE did not want to be public just yet. SE have made a U-turns in their decision for the X10 to get 2.3 last week.
So don't feel let down just yet
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They say it's due to hardware restrictions, but so far XDA members such as slade, d4 & owain have proven this to be wrong.
It could be that vodafone revealed something that SE did not want to be public just yet. SE have made a U-turns in their decision for the X10 to get 2.3 last week.
So don't feel let down just yet
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You should also know that these aren't full custom ROMs. We need a bypassed/cracked/unlocked bootloader for that.
there's a thread about it @ http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1206498
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there's a thread about it @ http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1206498
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That thread and this one are effing bull****. There will NEVER be an official Gingerbread on this phone even if you waited a thousand years. Stick with custom ROMs or buy a better phone.
The only way you could get some cash for this phone is if you tore it apart and sold the parts piece by piece.