So we all know the Thunderbolt was advertised in having 8gig Internal and 32 External (microSD)
So many posts have I seen with so many misleading and different responses to of which HTC is confused themselves. Some say it was a misprint and there is only 4GB Internal others say there is 8gb.
Id like to post this output via a df command.
/dev: 305764K total, 0K used, 305764K available (block size 4096)
/system: 868792K total, 310400K used, 558392K available (block size 4096)
/data: 2705192K total, 271044K used, 2434148K available (block size 4096)
/cache: 433321K total, 16680K used, 416641K available (block size 1024)
/devlog: 21100K total, 4132K used, 16968K available (block size 4096)
/mnt/asec: 305764K total, 0K used, 305764K available (block size 4096)
/app-cache: 8192K total, 328K used, 7864K available (block size 4096)
/mnt/sdcard: 31154688K total, 1949184K used, 29205504K available (block size 32768)
/mnt/secure/asec: 31154688K total, 1949184K used, 29205504K available (block size 32768)
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So A little Math Shows 4648125k = Approx 4.6Gb
Also a little more Proof If your still Hung up on there is 8GB of Flash.
cat /proc/partitions
major minor #blocks name
179 0 4382720 mmcblk0
179 1 500 mmcblk0p1
179 2 64 mmcblk0p2
179 3 4500 mmcblk0p3
179 4 1 mmcblk0p4
179 5 30000 mmcblk0p5
179 6 12500 mmcblk0p6
179 7 2048 mmcblk0p7
179 8 3072 mmcblk0p8
179 9 2048 mmcblk0p9
179 10 1024 mmcblk0p10
179 11 1024 mmcblk0p11
179 12 8751 mmcblk0p12
179 13 3072 mmcblk0p13
179 14 3072 mmcblk0p14
179 15 1024 mmcblk0p15
179 16 8957 mmcblk0p16
179 17 256 mmcblk0p17
179 18 1024 mmcblk0p18
179 19 1024 mmcblk0p19
179 20 1280 mmcblk0p20
179 21 8701 mmcblk0p21
179 22 4096 mmcblk0p22
179 23 256 mmcblk0p23
179 24 2047 mmcblk0p24
179 25 882687 mmcblk0p25
179 26 2748416 mmcblk0p26
179 27 447487 mmcblk0p27
179 28 2047 mmcblk0p28
179 29 21247 mmcblk0p29
179 30 256 mmcblk0p30
179 32 31166976 mmcblk1
179 33 31162880 mmcblk1p1
#
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4382720 mmcblk0 = 4.38GB
So Im not sure how Flash Memory works if its like regular hard disk there "Could" be some available space not added to the Partition. But im not very knowledgeable in that area..
I work with AIX servers all day and just knew a couple of places to look for diskspace. And im siding on the fact that we indeed do not have 8GB eMMC We have a 4GB Internal eMMC.
Anyone else got something I Missed? Or hopefully a Correction to what ive found?
Scotty2 said it is indeed 8GB but it is formatted down to 4 so it is less likely to fail. He said something on his twitter @scotty2walker
mob87 said:
Scotty2 said it is indeed 8GB but it is formatted down to 4 so it is less likely to fail. He said something on his twitter @scotty2walker
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That very well maybe? Not gonna deny that.. however.
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/android/f/107/p/10194/44586.aspx
Those folks there have some good points. Verizon for the longest time advertised it having 8GB internal and 32GB MicroSD
Makes a person to think they got 40gig of space.
Now granted Verizon worded everything "very" carefully and never said any of it was available to the end user lol.
Im just curious if for just my own sanity. if there is anyway I can prove for myself the size of the eMMC. Im a guy who has to see it for myself to believe it.
Yea same here, setting up and tonight. New to Droid but am quite comfortable in *nix land.
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This is exactly like what happened with the G2. The actual chip is an 8GB chip. The part number from a tear down or from the command you can give a rooted device to tell you the part numbers, will likely return a part that is 8GB.
The formatting is done in such a way that the NAND is only left with 4GB of usable space, but it is much more robust and will last a lot longer.
It is a good thing I think, not a bad thing.
They can advertise it as having 8GB internal memory because the part number is an 8GB part. It could also be a miscommunication between Verizon and HTC.
When it happened with the G2 T-Mobile seemed clueless......
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This is exactly like what happened with the G2. The actual chip is an 8GB chip. The part number from a tear down or from the command you can give a rooted device to tell you the part numbers, will likely return a part that is 8GB.
The formatting is done in such a way that the NAND is only left with 4GB of usable space, but it is much more robust and will last a lot longer.
It is a good thing I think, not a bad thing.
They can advertise it as having 8GB internal memory because the part number is an 8GB part. It could also be a miscommunication between Verizon and HTC.
When it happened with the G2 T-Mobile seemed clueless......
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Has Verizon released a press release or anything identifying this yet? I know there are many people upset over that. Im not.. I rather it be formated SLC.. But It is something a customer would take into account when Purchasing something when they says it has 8GB been nice to say that only 2GB was usable lol
This clears up some of the confusion I had about all this.
sammyboy405 said:
I work with AIX servers all day and just knew a couple of places to look for diskspace.
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I loves me some AIX! Awesome stuff.
Strife21 said:
This clears up some of the confusion I had about all this.
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^This, thanks OP and others. I was wondering if we got screwed or if there was just 5G's of crap preloaded... Either way we got screwed, and yes promotional material in the stores on launch DID say 8GB internal so....
according to verizon the phone takes 5.5gigs for android alone.
I asked this in another forum. Got the same in response. No bueno HTC.
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Gr8gorilla said:
This is exactly like what happened with the G2. The actual chip is an 8GB chip. The part number from a tear down or from the command you can give a rooted device to tell you the part numbers, will likely return a part that is 8GB.
The formatting is done in such a way that the NAND is only left with 4GB of usable space, but it is much more robust and will last a lot longer.
It is a good thing I think, not a bad thing.
They can advertise it as having 8GB internal memory because the part number is an 8GB part. It could also be a miscommunication between Verizon and HTC.
When it happened with the G2 T-Mobile seemed clueless......
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Gr8Gorilla, your roms for MT4G were fantastic, are you planning on releasing any for the Thunderbolt? Either way, your input here is much appreciated.
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Hi
I bought a 128mb Secure Digital Card from Expansys but when I put it
into my device the Memory on Storage Card says 118.75mb so
where's 9.25mb gone!!!!!
TIA
Charles
The file allocation table (FAT) eats up the rest.
John
And something about..
Secure Digital - This requires space for the "secureness"
So a Multimedia Card may have given you a few megs back..
Its the old saying.
You just don't get what you pay for anymore!
MmF
Missing 10mb
Thanks for the responses.
9.25mb for the FAT, Jeeeez!
Why don't they build them 138mb, and give me what I've paid for!
Rgds
Charles
Actually the FAT does not eat up that much space, not even close. Here's the other part of the reason: A megabyte and a million bytes are NOT equal!
A kilobyte is 1024 bytes. A megabyte is 1000 of those.
The card and hard drive makers say that THEY measure a megabyte as being 1 million characters even. So your 256MB card can hold 256 million characters or bytes.
The computer and PPC however, measures in real megabytes and take that number, dividing it by 1024, to come up with its reported size. Therefore, your card has 256 million bytes, but not 256 megabytes.
They've redefined the word.
Ahh I see now. Thanks Carlos
Rgds
Charles
Wierd I haven't seen this question asked.....so um where is it lol. I see most roms are improving on space, but no one near four gigs ..
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Wierd I haven't seen this question asked.....so um where is it lol. I see most roms are improving on space, but no one near four gigs ..
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They never will get to 4gb of storage, sense uses a lot, plus apps too, even the nexus s 4G had a lot memory taken by android, my thunderbolt had 8GB internal when in reality was more like 2 and half
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
I dont think that is the case. I made a sensless rom and it still only had 1 gig of storage.
below, you can see how the 4GB of storage is devided...
C:\Users\cgoodman\Desktop\android-sdk-windows\platform-tools>adb shell
# df
df
/dev: 411200K total, 64K used, 411136K available (block size 4096)
/system: 806312K total, 710532K used, 95780K available (block size 4096)
/data: 1204200K total, 111456K used, 1092744K available (block size 4096)
/cache: 111612K total, 4244K used, 107368K available (block size 4096)
/devlog: 20144K total, 6716K used, 13428K available (block size 4096)
/vendor/firmware/misc: 204580K total, 17292K used, 187288K available (block size
4096)
/mnt/asec: 411200K total, 0K used, 411200K available (block size 4096)
/mnt/obb: 411200K total, 0K used, 411200K available (block size 4096)
/app-cache: 8192K total, 0K used, 8192K available (block size 4096)
/data/DxDrm/fuse: Permission denied
/mnt/sdcard: 7753728K total, 2016736K used, 5736992K available (block size 32768
)
/mnt/secure/asec: 7753728K total, 2016736K used, 5736992K available (block size
32768)
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scrosler said:
I dont think that is the case. I made a sensless rom and it still only had 1 gig of storage.
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Factor in the tweaks and mods, as well as the fact that yours isn't completely senseless (although damn close).
My senseless ROM I'm running right now is at 1.11GB free for internal, and I have it completely barebone with no apps installed.
4GB will never be possible, when CM7 comes out we'll see just how good it gets.
I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but last I checked HTC's website now shows "Internal Storage: 1 GB".
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I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but last I checked HTC's website now shows "Internal Storage: 1 GB".
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I just looked and it's showing 4 gigs...
No it clearly says 1 GB internal storage. But it doesn't look like our phone. It also has a release date of October 2011.http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-evo-3d/#specs
Edit- I meant the color of the back housing, ring around the camera. Could be the GSM, and could also be the fact that they don't want to lie lol
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beyond882001 said:
No it clearly says 1 GB internal storage. But it doesn't look like our phone. It also has a release date of October 2011.http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-evo-3d/#specs
Edit- I meant the color of the back housing, ring around the camera. Could be the GSM, and could also be the fact that they don't want to lie lol
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That's the gsm version. Look at where it says Internet and edge should give it away.
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pastorbob said:
That's the gsm version. Look at where it says Internet and edge should give it away.
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You r right my friend.
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=3223
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I have a 16gb card with a 1gb partition and my phone is telling me I have 13.77 available. If 1gb is 1024 MB then where is the rest of my storage at?
Sent from within my pocket.
The manufacturer uses a conversion factor of 1 mb = 1000 kb (and same for GBs) while manufacturing the card and the computer/phone uses the factor 1024 to calculate the size. Thus it seems that you lose storage. This happens in all storage devices.
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mihir287 said:
The manufacturer uses a conversion factor of 1 mb = 1000 kb (and same for GBs) while manufacturing the card and the computer/phone uses the factor 1024 to calculate the size. Thus it seems that you lose storage. This happens in all storage devices.
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OK, Thanks. I did the math using 1024MB=1GB / 16GB=15.62GB and I'm still coming up almost 500MB short but, I guess that's used for formatting or something.
Hey guys, got something for discussion here....
I remember back when i had my I9000 there was a problem with the first few batches of firmwares, basically it was killing the internal memory cards. To bypass this the community swapped the sdcard and emmc. As an added bonus you could now get much faster IO because you could use a class 10 memory card instead of the class 2 cards they were putting in the phones....
I wonder if we couldnt do the same thing here? Instead of loading everything on the internal memory why not use the microSD cardslot, throw a memory card in there, and reassign everything to work from that? IO could be a lot faster if we use a quality card...
What do ya think? Possible or not?
Funny, I was actually thinking the same thing last night.
I have a handheld android gaming device, and when I install games on it, it gives me the option to transfer the game to SD card.
In this case it's more so to save internal storage space, but it made me wonder if we could install programs/games to external storage. If nothing else, we could compare boot times of various apps (stored internal vs external) and see if there's a difference.
If it's an IO contention issue due to scheduling it probably won't help, but it'd be worth checking out.
So... is there an app that lets us transfer installed programs the external storage? (I think you meant a ROM which would do it, but this might work as a proof of concept until then.)
pileot said:
Hey guys, got something for discussion here....
I remember back when i had my I9000 there was a problem with the first few batches of firmwares, basically it was killing the internal memory cards. To bypass this the community swapped the sdcard and emmc. As an added bonus you could now get much faster IO because you could use a class 10 memory card instead of the class 2 cards they were putting in the phones....
I wonder if we couldnt do the same thing here? Instead of loading everything on the internal memory why not use the microSD cardslot, throw a memory card in there, and reassign everything to work from that? IO could be a lot faster if we use a quality card...
What do ya think? Possible or not?
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a class10 sdcard delivers 10MB/s, which is quite low, in general lower than the internal memory.
besides that the 10 MB is probably measured when reading and writing large files which is faster than small files (which you will be doing when running android from it)
Antutu shows 5-6 MB/s write speed in my case but i dont think it will be better on external memory
i have yet to find a benchmark tool that can test both the internal and the external sdcard on android ... someone knows such a tool?
Tempie007 said:
a class10 sdcard delivers 10MB/s, which is quite low, in general lower than the internal memory.
besides that the 10 MB is probably measured when reading and writing large files which is faster than small files (which you will be doing when running android from it)
Antutu shows 5-6 MB/s write speed in my case but i dont think it will be better on external memory
i have yet to find a benchmark tool that can test both the internal and the external sdcard on android ... someone knows such a tool?
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Have no idea if theses are any good, i just googled, but they claim to measure read/write speeds both internal and external
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.passmark.pt_mobile&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sprint.performance&hl=en
what about this?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/05/samsung_uhs_1_microsd/
80MB/s
that would be faster
banderos101 said:
Have no idea if theses are any good, i just googled, but they claim to measure read/write speeds both internal and external
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.passmark.pt_mobile&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sprint.performance&hl=en
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Testing the device performance one:
W is write, R is read
200mb, 5 iterations
* TF201:
-Internal:
MaxW: 15
MeanW: 12
MinW: 10
MaxR: 26
MeanR: 23,5
MinR: 18,5
-Removable:
MaxW: 15
MeanW: 12,2
MinW: 9,9
MaxR: 27
MeanR: 18
MinR: 9
* SGS3:
-Internal:
MaxW: 33
MeanW: 26
MinW: 23
MaxR: 45
MeanR: 40
MinR: 34
-Removable:
MaxW: 31
MeanW: 20
MinW: 9,9
MaxR: 44
MeanR: 30
MinR: 9,6
So yeah... not sure what to think of it. Will test some more when I have some time.
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Testing the device performance one:
W is write, R is read
200mb, 5 iterations
* TF201:
-Internal:
MaxW: 15
MeanW: 12
MinW: 10
MaxR: 26
MeanR: 23,5
MinR: 18,5
-Removable:
MaxW: 15
MeanW: 12,2
MinW: 9,9
MaxR: 27
MeanR: 18
MinR: 9
* SGS3:
-Internal:
MaxW: 33
MeanW: 26
MinW: 23
MaxR: 45
MeanR: 40
MinR: 34
-Removable:
MaxW: 31
MeanW: 20
MinW: 9,9
MaxR: 44
MeanR: 30
MinR: 9,6
So yeah... not sure what to think of it. Will test some more when I have some time.
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Which one did you use?
Originally Posted by banderos101
Have no idea if theses are any good, i just googled, but they claim to measure read/write speeds both internal and external
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.passmark.pt_mobile&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sprint.performance&hl=en
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Testing the device performance one:
W is write, R is read
200mb, 5 iterations
* TF201:
-Internal:
MaxW: 15
MeanW: 12
MinW: 10
MaxR: 26
MeanR: 23,5
MinR: 18,5
-Removable:
MaxW: 15
MeanW: 12,2
MinW: 9,9
MaxR: 27
MeanR: 18
MinR: 9
* SGS3:
-Internal:
MaxW: 33
MeanW: 26
MinW: 23
MaxR: 45
MeanR: 40
MinR: 34
-Removable:
MaxW: 31
MeanW: 20
MinW: 9,9
MaxR: 44
MeanR: 30
MinR: 9,6
So yeah... not sure what to think of it. Will test some more when I have some time.
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The passmark one is quite useless, really inconsistent results (300 MB\s on my internal memory, and 5s later its 30 MB\s)
For the device information app:
My internal speed gives aprox the same results as you.
However for External SD Card speed you'll need to add a custom location /Removable/MicroSD, for me it results as expected: aprox 10 MB\s for MicroSD class10 so bench looks fairly realistic.
All in all the SGS3 pwns the prime big time.
Also inreal world; installing a random app on SGS3 takes like 1-2 seconds, on Prime it would take 6-8 or something and it completely locks up.. the difference is so huge!!
But regarding these bench results: this difference does not explain the use real world difference.
I think this bench writes large files of data at a time, where as the SQLLite writes little portions of data (inserts), same what happens while browsing and installing apps (a bit bigger but still relatively small.)
I think this is the Prime's problem; whatever the cause may be.
Gonna try to find some tool for seeing whats going on in the background... want to see the queueing etc.. but unfortunally this aint windows lol
Edit; here someone asks the same.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1611888
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jus got my sd card 64 gig scandisk.im a little confused tho it shows only having 59 gigs but i have not even used it were did those 4 gigs or so go?
l-go said:
jus got my sd card 64 gig scandisk.im a little confused tho it shows only having 59 gigs but i have not even used it were did those 4 gigs or so go?
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Decimal vs. Binary:
For simplicity and consistency, hard drive manufacturers define a megabyte as 1,000,000 bytes and a gigabyte as 1,000,000,000 bytes. This is a decimal (base 10) measurement and is the industry standard. However, certain system BIOSs, FDISK and Windows define a megabyte as 1,048,576 bytes and a gigabyte as 1,073,741,824 bytes. Mac systems also use these values. These are binary (base 2) measurements.
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