Am I correct that none of the current roms (from stock to the bleeding edge) unlock the full potential of this tablet with respect to it being dual core?
Is honeycomb the only platform that actually supports this or are there versions of froyo and gingerbread that employ support for dual core processors?
What would this even mean for us? As I understand it, having multiple cores in a processor helps with multi-tasking. Both iOS and android are not true multi-tasking operating systems so would we even see a benefit?
Can a dev or someone who really knows what they're talking about straighten me out?
Newer versions will support multi-core systems
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Umm... welcome to the forums.. nice first post!
Are you a dev or a programmer? If so, can you elaborate?
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Newer versions will support multi-core systems
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Its... Its like he... is a Prophet! He speaks the future in such clarity!
Yeah, I wasn't trying to rag on the guy.... I'm a noob myself. I really would like someone in the know to make this clear for me ( and I'm sure others).
So... How about it devs? engineers? programers? I asked the question like 24 minutes ago.... sheesh.... you guys are really overpaid and overhyped...
http://androidevolutions.com/2011/0...droid-os-froyo-gingerbread-dual-core-capable/
Thanks man, that was exactly what I was looking for!
Thanks
+1. I was looking for the same info. Thanks.
no problem
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http://androidevolutions.com/2011/0...droid-os-froyo-gingerbread-dual-core-capable/
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Good article.
Technically speaking, the Tegra's are triple core devices, not including ancillary special purpose cores for video & audio.
2x Arm9's
1x Arm7
To bad it's not the bad boy with dual ARM11's....
So, the article indicated that froyo is dual core capable. Which ROM is built on froyo? What is the stock ROM built on? How can you tell?
Thanks
All of the GTab roms listed here are either froyo or gingerbread. Froyo is 2.2.x and gingerbread is 2.3.x
Thanks. How about the stock ROM? Is that dual-core capable? If so, what constitutes the performance improvement of these ROMs over the stock install?
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What exactly does the 2 cores do in terms of performance? Where should I be seeing improvements? I came from a cm7 og EVO that's was pretty damn quick. I love this phone and the battery life is suprisingly wonderful. I understand this is all stock without any kernel mods but it still should be one powerful device
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What exactly does the 2 cores do in terms of performance? Where should I be seeing improvements? I came from a cm7 og EVO that's was pretty damn quick. I love this phone and the battery life is suprisingly wonderful. I understand this is all stock without any kernel mods but it still should be one powerful device
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well you could start by putting sense 3.0 on your OG evo and running it for a while and then turn on your BMF EVO 3D and you'll see the difference.
It runs separate apps on each core, soif you do a benchmark the scores won't show up that well, but does use both do you have osmonitor it should show both cores.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think 2.3.3 supports dual-core, at least from what I've read. Dual-core support came out for Honeycomb, and most likely Ice Cream Sandwich, but I don't think Gingerbread supports it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#3.0
Correct.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think 2.3.3 supports dual-core, at least from what I've read. Dual-core support came out for Honeycomb, and most likely Ice Cream Sandwich, but I don't think Gingerbread supports it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#3.0
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Wait... What!? Elaborate pls.
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htc built the 3d for the near future! icecream sammy is for dual!
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Wait... What!? Elaborate pls.
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Well as HTCRALEIGHFAN said above me, Ice Cream Sandwich (2.4) will most likely support the dual-core hardware in our beasts. I mean don't get me wrong I'm not some shmuck, my 3VO flies, I'm just imagining what monster it'll become once both cores are operating.
Could app force closing be due to the dual cores? Not all but a few apps can't play on my 3VO but could on my og EVO.
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Well as HTCRALEIGHFAN said above me, Ice Cream Sandwich (2.4) will most likely support the dual-core hardware in our beasts. I mean don't get me wrong I'm not some shmuck, my 3VO flies, I'm just imagining what monster it'll become once both cores are operating.
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Both cores ARE operating....otherwise it would run like an overclocked Evo.
And I seriously doubt Ice Cream Sandwich will be a step down in version number from Honeycomb. Some have suggested it will be 4.0, which seems likely, but definitely NOT '2.4'
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think 2.3.3 supports dual-core, at least from what I've read. Dual-core support came out for Honeycomb, and most likely Ice Cream Sandwich, but I don't think Gingerbread supports it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#3.0
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The Motorola Atrix is dual core with Froyo. A Gingerbread leak recently posted as well.
Sure the hardware could be dual core or quad core for that matter but if the operating system doesn't support it its useless. I'm not %100 sure if anything other than Honeycomb support it but it seems that way from what I've read around.
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Sure the hardware could be dual core or quad core for that matter but if the operating system doesn't support it its useless. I'm not %100 sure if anything other than Honeycomb support it but it seems that way from what I've read around.
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I'll check later, but I'm near positive the Atrix Froyo kernel supports dual cores.
EDIT: Nope, you are right, I am dumb
Probably not optimized for dual core but I'm sure ur uses the chip set a little lol
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Probably not optimized for dual core but I'm sure ur uses the chip set a little lol
Bussin Caps from my 3D shooter
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Agreed. Although I'm sure one core complements the other... I think the full power is yet to be unleashed. With Android, everything seems to start small... Then hidden potential is unleashed later... i.e. root.
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I agree that when the ICS update comes, it will probably take full advantage of the hardware, but its not like the dual core processor is useless right now. HTC wouldn't have put it in their devices to be released already if the damn things only ran on a single core. They would've been better off releasing this phone with a 2+gHz single core processor if that was the case. Anybody that has played with the EVO, had it rooted, overclocked, etc. can tell you that this phone is way faster than the EVO ever was at its maximum potential. That would not be true if the 3D only ran on one core.
The dual core processing works. This is not an OS feature, but a kernel feature. Dual core functionality was first introduced in honeycomb, because honeycomb marked the move from kernel 2.6.32 up to 2.6.36.
Multicore functionality was added to the linux kernel 2.6.35, which coincidently, our Evo3D is running. So yes, our phones currently are utilizing the multi-core processor.
Its simple think about it in terms of windows xp with a quad core... you didnt see any change in the proformance of windows xp going from a dual core to a quad core actually most of the time you saw a marked improvement from overclocking the dual vs the quad. This holds true here as well the "core" of the operating system can utilize the dual core but the actual software doesnt have any intelligence.. that means that it cant tell one program to go to this core not this core it kinda just bounces is around like crazy.. so fast forward to Windows 7 and all the sudden those quad core systems are crazy fast.. this is becuase windows can now tell programs hey this processor isnt doing anything so run on this one. this is what ice cream will do for us you will see a huge increase in multithreaded apps and being able to run multiple things at once which is already nice as it is on this phone i run pandora and text people and have no slow down which on my old phone was a joke. so just give it time this phone will continue to get fast over time this i knowo from being a hardware tech for desktops
While is doesn't have anything to do directly with the Photon, It's Tegra related, so I thought I'd share it incase anyone else was interested. I found it pretty cool. And hopefully Motorola will release a Photon 2 with this included. (Not likely, but I can hope)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2393257,00.asp#fbid=a9hw41xhxrx
Tegra 3 is going to kick ass for sure! And while the additional 5th core is something to look forward to, did you know that the Tegra 2 also has a separate ARM7 processor that does what Tegra 3's 5th core does?
Awesome right?
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While is doesn't have anything to do directly with the Photon, It's Tegra related, so I thought I'd share it incase anyone else was interested. I found it pretty cool. And hopefully Motorola will release a Photon 2 with this included. (Not likely, but I can hope)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2393257,00.asp#fbid=a9hw41xhxrx
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I actually didn't know that. Is that ALL the Tegra 2 processors? Basically, is that included in our phone?
Yes Sir!
You can read all about it here: http://www.extremetech.com/computin...s-ti-omap-4-or-why-the-droid-bionic-uses-omap
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I actually didn't know that. Is that ALL the Tegra 2 processors? Basically, is that included in our phone?
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Yeah, the other core pretty much handles all the little crap, like the phone dialer. Anything more power intensive kicks in the big boys.
Most smart phones dating back to the Hero at least had a slow second core to handle the modem, so it wasn't hogging CPU time from the OS and Apps.
Who wants Kal-el when you can get Nvidia Wolverine!?! That wont be for a while tho :/
xTMFxOffshore said:
While is doesn't have anything to do directly with the Photon, It's Tegra related, so I thought I'd share it incase anyone else was interested. I found it pretty cool. And hopefully Motorola will release a Photon 2 with this included. (Not likely, but I can hope)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2393257,00.asp#fbid=a9hw41xhxrx
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I'll be happy with it til Wolverine comes out. And I will have to read that tidvit on the Tegra 2. Thanks Beach.
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Someone please correct me if I am wrong but please don't flame me.
Other than UI features, will there be any benefit to an ICS ROM made from source? Won't we still have to use a gingerbread kernel? From what I understand, there will be zero performance gain from it until we get a kernel source from HTC. Am I wrong in thinking that? Or will someone be able to make an ICS kernel for it when the source for ICS drops?
The reason I ask is because the most exciting thing to me about ICS is the hardware acceleration.
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I remember reading somewhere that ICS is supposed to take advantage of the dual core power of cell phones. Not 100% sure but I want ICS because of the looks and the UI
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We have HTC kernel source its just not fully complete (unfortunately) but toastcfh was able to tweak it to work. The only reason you see custom kernels is because of source. ICS does impelement the first mobile Linux 3.0 kernel. Once ICS source drops, one of the first things to do is merge our kernel source with the new 3.0 kernel and then go from there. Not only will ICS have full 2D acceleration throughout the entire UI the new kernel should bring a few benefits at the least just slight overall improvements. Although it will be interesting to see how large the new AOSP roms will end up being. Google has specifically said that ICS will a bit on the heavy side and even ruled out a nexus one upgrade due to out-of-date hardware. Our HTC shooter's will definitely be just fine but just a thought. To answer your question though yes, expect major UI improvements and "under-the-hood" speed improvements. Due to the nature of open source we will be able to take advantage almost every enhancement ICS brings.
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We have HTC kernel source its just not fully complete (unfortunately) but toastcfh was able to tweak it to work. The only reason you see custom kernels is because of source. ICS does impelement the first mobile Linux 3.0 kernel. Once ICS source drops, one of the first things to do is merge our kernel source with the new 3.0 kernel and then go from there. Not only will ICS have full 2D acceleration throughout the entire UI the new kernel should bring a few benefits at the least just slight overall improvements. Although it will be interesting to see how large the new AOSP roms will end up being. Google has specifically said that ICS will a bit on the heavy side and even ruled out a nexus one upgrade due to out-of-date hardware. Our HTC shooter's will definitely be just fine but just a thought. To answer your question though yes, expect major UI improvements and "under-the-hood" speed improvements. Due to the nature of open source we will be able to take advantage almost every enhancement ICS brings.
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Toast has a isc kernel?
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We have HTC kernel source its just not fully complete (unfortunately) but toastcfh was able to tweak it to work. The only reason you see custom kernels is because of source. ICS does impelement the first mobile Linux 3.0 kernel. Once ICS source drops, one of the first things to do is merge our kernel source with the new 3.0 kernel and then go from there. Not only will ICS have full 2D acceleration throughout the entire UI the new kernel should bring a few benefits at the least just slight overall improvements. Although it will be interesting to see how large the new AOSP roms will end up being. Google has specifically said that ICS will a bit on the heavy side and even ruled out a nexus one upgrade due to out-of-date hardware. Our HTC shooter's will definitely be just fine but just a thought. To answer your question though yes, expect major UI improvements and "under-the-hood" speed improvements. Due to the nature of open source we will be able to take advantage almost every enhancement ICS brings.
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I understand what you are saying. The biggest thing I was wondering is, will we have a true ICS kernel as soon as ICS source drops. I think I remember some phones having to use froyo kernels with gingerbread ROMs. I could be wrong but I think that's right.
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Even if the kernel source isnt released yet, its gonna take months for a full working ics aosp rom. UI improvements, the UI is a huge improvement. Seems like android was rebuilt to me. Hardware improvements. Its worth it.
Temari x Shikamaru
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Toast has a isc kernel?
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Toast has an AOSP kernel. Once the ICS source gets dropped (which includes kernel source) toast and others will merge our drivers and such with the new AOSP Linux 3.0 kernel
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lyon21 said:
I understand what you are saying. The biggest thing I was wondering is, will we have a true ICS kernel as soon as ICS source drops. I think I remember some phones having to use froyo kernels with gingerbread ROMs. I could be wrong but I think that's right.
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I think I remember what you are talking about with og Evo. The kernel source only gives us libs and drivers and such that we modify to be able to use AOSP roms. Once the EVO 3D officially gets ICS the process of making custom kernels becomes a bit easier but will not necessarily improve performance. Idk if you had an og Evo but toastcfh as well as others from savaged-zen had a functional Linux 2.8 kernel while all stock android kernels were on 2.5 & 2.6. Once we get any kind of source at all we can get a Linux 3.0 ICS kernel with all of the new benifits it entails. Completed (which we don't really have) or updated source just makes the process easier
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thanks everyone, esp OP, for creating a good read and a productive thread in the General section. these are becoming a rarity!
No1ustad said:
thanks everyone, esp OP, for creating a good read and a productive thread in the General section. these are becoming a rarity!
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That they are, but it was actually a question so it should have gone in the Q/A thread....
tgruendler said:
That they are, but it was actually a question so it should have gone in the Q/A thread....
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I understand it should have gone in Q&A but I personally never look in there and figured that was the same for many people here. Figured something like this should be in general, where a lot of people would see it and answer the question or enjoy reading the answers. With all of the bull crap posted in the general section lately, thought it would be a nice change to have something that many people would be interested in. Thought people would rather see this here than another SGSII vs 3D thread, or some other bull****. If I am wrong, mods feel free to move it but I think most people will agree.
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lyon21 said:
I understand it should have gone in Q&A but I personally never look in there and figured that was the same for many people here. Figured something like this should be in general, where a lot of people would see it and answer the question or enjoy reading the answers. With all of the bull crap posted in the general section lately, thought it would be a nice change to have something that many people would be interested in. Thought people would rather see this here than another SGSII vs 3D thread, or some other bull****. If I am wrong, mods feel free to move it but I think most people will agree.
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Man...I should just put (sarcasm) at the end of my posts instead of the winking smiley guy.
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That they are, but it was actually a question so it should have gone in the Q/A thread....
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Q/A section seems to be more for technical help and advice help. Trivial questions that require conversing and the spread of general knowledge of the topic seem reasonable in the general section, imho.
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Man...I should just put (sarcasm) at the end of my posts instead of the winking smiley guy.
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I wasn't being a **** about it. I was just explaining why I didn't put it in the Q&A section. Hope it wasn't taken that way.
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Dear all:
This is a question in my mind.
There are more and more device on the market with due core even 4 core.
I wonder if android handle that?
I mean, Is 1.5GHz 4core really faster than 1.5 due core on the same android platform?
Best Regards
chen min
huangchenmin said:
Dear all:
This is a question in my mind.
There are more and more device on the market with due core even 4 core.
I wonder if android handle that?
I mean, Is 1.5GHz 4core really faster than 1.5 due core on the same android platform?
Best Regards
chen min
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The answer to your question is "yes" in general.
But it's not always true...it can depend even on the kind of work your device has to do...for example to extract a rar file, the more core you have the less time you spend...In general the performance can be affected of multiple factors, as well as Android version (gingerbred, ICS, JB...).
You will not feel very much difference in UI actions. I had a galaxy s(1ghz 512mb ram) earlier and now i have a htc one x (1.5ghz quad 1gb ram). Of course there is some difference but its not very very much. Dual core and 1gb ram is enough for most users unless you love to play heavy games.
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It very much depends on what you're doing as previously stated but it can be of major benefit when running more intensive applications and will retain stability when your device is being maxed out more
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Choose dual core... L give you better feel while running many apps... Always good in gaming 2...:thumbup:
ienariden said:
The answer to your question is "yes" in general.
But it's not always true...it can depend even on the kind of work your device has to do...for example to extract a rar file, the more core you have the less time you spend...In general the performance can be affected of multiple factors, as well as Android version (gingerbred, ICS, JB...).
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Dear Sir:
:laugh:Thanks for your replying to me and make me understand more about Android.
Sincerely Yours
chen min
huangchenmin said:
Dear Sir:
:laugh:Thanks for your replying to me and make me understand more about Android.
Sincerely Yours
chen min
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ienariden said:
The answer to your question is "yes" in general.
But it's not always true...it can depend even on the kind of work your device has to do...for example to extract a rar file, the more core you have the less time you spend...In general the performance can be affected of multiple factors, as well as Android version (gingerbred, ICS, JB...).
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leventccc said:
You will not feel very much difference in UI actions. I had a galaxy s(1ghz 512mb ram) earlier and now i have a htc one x (1.5ghz quad 1gb ram). Of course there is some difference but its not very very much. Dual core and 1gb ram is enough for most users unless you love to play heavy games.
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Dear Sir:
:laugh:Thanks for your replying to me and make me understand more about Android.
Sincerely Yours
chen min
Hello everybody.
Sorry in advance, I suppose that this question should be a sort of XDA trending topic during these days. However after a little search, I didn't find anything similar on the matter. Hence I'm opening a new thread. Feel free to close it if necessary
I suppose that somebody is already working on a "Google Edition" of i9300. A vanilla AOSP. Would it be so different from a classic CyanogenMod or AOKP?
Thank you for your answers.
Peace.
Will just look like the nexus but with a better camera and new bootanimation
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No it is not possible to directly port it as the Google Ed. phone runs Qualcomm's Snapdragon 600. The i9300's sorry excuse of an SoC is Exynos 4.
Theshawty said:
No it is not possible to directly port it as the Google Ed. phone runs Qualcomm's Snapdragon 600. The i9300's sorry excuse of an SoC is Exynos 4.
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What's so bad with Exynos? When this device came out it was a beast compared any other on the market. So far we have a well established base of development and mods.
There is nothing wrong with Our SOC other than its now older than the newer devices.
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jetbruceli said:
What's so bad with Exynos? When this device came out it was a beast compared any other on the market. So far we have a well established base of development and mods.
There is nothing wrong with Our SOC other than its now older than the newer devices.
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Nothing wrong? No sources and no documentation and what's on Insignal is almost entirely useless.
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Nothing wrong? No sources and no documentation and what's on Insignal is almost entirely useless.
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So for you its useless but my s3 is running like a champ since day one.
And hell, I don't even like AOSP Roms anymore. My opinion OK!!
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jetbruceli said:
So for you its useless but my s3 is running like a champ since day one.
And hell, I don't even like AOSP Roms anymore. My opinion OK!!
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Yes, it's your opinion and you're entitled to one, but you're wrong when you say that there's nothing wrong with Exynos 4. Though I bet no SoC is per definition "perfect".
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Yes, it's your opinion and you're entitled to one, but you're wrong when you say that there's nothing wrong with Exynos 4. Though I bet no SoC is per definition "perfect".
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Its not bad its Samsung that's being secretive about its sources.
Of course I also though tegra was good until I got this phone.
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Samsung TW is slow, i have CM10.1 based its a lot faster and longer batterij
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coolnessQ said:
Samsung TW is slow, i have CM10.1 based its a lot faster and longer batterij
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Not as fast as it could be if the sources for the Exynos based processors were available.
To answer OPs question technically it is possible but it will require a lot of time and effort ..not to mention a lot of skill as well...the reason being both are quite different phones with different SoCs ..it would be somewhat easier to do it from the AOSP source code but as everyone already knows without documentation from Samsung that is again a difficult prospect ...none of the devs want to invest time in a project which they already know will be a a failure ...this is not about which is better TW or pure Google experience but about having a choice.
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Why would you want to when there are so many alternative versions out there?
crazedzealot said:
Not as fast as it could be if the sources for the Exynos based processors were available.
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Yeah thats true
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Thread closed as its a duplicate of http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=43047800#post43047800