Greetings,
Just've got my RAZR. Its awesome! Just wondering if I can use web top functionality with only miniHDMI <-> HDMI cable and bluetooth keyboard+mouse? What is the purpose of special web top adapter?
It will be possible with a custom APK for WebTop.
The purpose of special webtop adapter is "Money For Motorola". Nothing else.
Or, if you're talking of the lapdock, I've got it (atrix lapdock) and I can tell you it's nice to take with you and use it because it's thin and lightweight.
You've proven my point. I'm not going to buy motorola's webtop adapter
Could you give more details on special webtop apk I need to install?
Also on clove blog its said:
Why do I need this adapter? If you connected a HDMI cable to the device without this, you would get only a mirror image of your device screen on the HD display. With the webtop adapter you get more advanced features like you would when connected to a HD dock, without the need for the HD dock.
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As I've understood HDMI mirror image is not mandatory. And I should get image on HD panel, just the phone display will be turned off...
I just ordered the smart controller, I'm also very interested in whether I could just plug the phone into the usb&hdmi cables w/o the adapter or dock.
rEVOLVE said:
I just ordered the smart controller, I'm also very interested in whether I could just plug the phone into the usb&hdmi cables w/o the adapter or dock.
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uHDMI and uUSB on their own will only work with mirror, gallery etc mode, no WebTop afair.
I have a minihdmi and can confirm that there is no webtop
hey.
i have sailed the internetz looking for answers for this. but i thought ild ask what everyone else thought.
would atrix lapdock work with sg2? (with mods off course) like changing the connectors about. and using a mhl to hdmi cable?
i was looking at the connectors and it is a micro hdmi and a micro usb if im not wrong..
whats everyones thoughts to this???
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hey.
i have sailed the internetz looking for answers for this. but i thought ild ask what everyone else thought.
would atrix lapdock work with sg2? (with mods off course) like changing the connectors about. and using a mhl to hdmi cable?
i was looking at the connectors and it is a micro hdmi and a micro usb if im not wrong..
whats everyones thoughts to this???
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My thoughts; not sure if serious...
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My thoughts; not sure if serious...
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what do you mean by that? its a valid question.
i know for sure you can connect your sg2 to the hdmi to display. but its the trackpad and keyboard im wondering about the most?
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what do you mean by that? its a valid question.
i know for sure you can connect your sg2 to the hdmi to display. but its the trackpad and keyboard im wondering about the most?
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NO.
Atrix has two different output ports. Micro USB for charging and data transfer, and micro-HDMI for TV-out. The laptop dock specific (I stress specific) for the Atrix uses BOTH of these ports in conjuction.
Galaxy S2 has ONE output port, a micro USB port that doubles for charging/data transfer, and connection to the optional MHL adapter accessory.
In NO WAY would you be able to MacGyver the Galaxy S2 to use the Atrix laptop dock.
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NO.
Atrix has two different output ports. Micro USB for charging and data transfer, and micro-HDMI for TV-out. The laptop dock specific (I stress specific) for the Atrix uses BOTH of these ports in conjuction.
Galaxy S2 has ONE output port, a micro USB port that doubles for charging/data transfer, and connection to the optional MHL adapter accessory.
In NO WAY would you be able to MacGyver the Galaxy S2 to use the Atrix laptop dock.
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alright. well thanks for the answer. guess il have to look for another idea. possibly using portable hd screen and a bluetooth mouse and keyboard.
cheers anyway.
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NO.
Atrix has two different output ports. Micro USB for charging and data transfer, and micro-HDMI for TV-out. The laptop dock specific (I stress specific) for the Atrix uses BOTH of these ports in conjuction.
Galaxy S2 has ONE output port, a micro USB port that doubles for charging/data transfer, and connection to the optional MHL adapter accessory.
In NO WAY would you be able to MacGyver the Galaxy S2 to use the Atrix laptop dock.
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alright. well thanks for the answer. guess il have to look for another idea. possibly using portable hd screen and a bluetooth mouse and keyboard.
cheers anyway.
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You know... it just might work. The atrix lapdock does feed 5v power up the usb port which you could adapt from micro usb to whichever varient you need on your MHL cable. This would provide the power necessary to drive the hdmi circuitry that you had feeding into the micro hdmi input of the lapdock. Obviously you wouldnt have a true 'dock' but it sounds like you understand that. As long as your phone detected the mouse and keyboard as input devices it should work. Not sure how that operates with an MHL cable. It might require USB OTG, and im not sure if that is available over the USB connectivity provided by MHL. You could try with a standard usb keyboard If that works, then the lapdocks should too.
I know for certain that you can use the lapdock as the screen by just connecting the video out of the MHL adapter to the lapdock, and a usb power only cable (for the MHL adapter) to the lapdocks normal USB charge ports.
There is a thread called Lapdock HDMI that has more details!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376679
As for the person saying it is or was impossible... you so sure now?
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You know... it just might work. The atrix lapdock does feed 5v power up the usb port which you could adapt from micro usb to whichever varient you need on your MHL cable. This would provide the power necessary to drive the hdmi circuitry that you had feeding into the micro hdmi input of the lapdock. Obviously you wouldnt have a true 'dock' but it sounds like you understand that. As long as your phone detected the mouse and keyboard as input devices it should work. Not sure how that operates with an MHL cable. It might require USB OTG, and im not sure if that is available over the USB connectivity provided by MHL. You could try with a standard usb keyboard If that works, then the lapdocks should too.
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ive seen some mhl cables online which have a micro usb port on the side also. so you can plug in the micro hdmi and usb at the same time .. not as the other guy said. anyway im going to order the dock to see what mods i can get done. if anything promising il repost.
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You know... it just might work. The atrix lapdock does feed 5v power up the usb port which you could adapt from micro usb to whichever varient you need on your MHL cable. This would provide the power necessary to drive the hdmi circuitry that you had feeding into the micro hdmi input of the lapdock. Obviously you wouldnt have a true 'dock' but it sounds like you understand that. As long as your phone detected the mouse and keyboard as input devices it should work. Not sure how that operates with an MHL cable. It might require USB OTG, and im not sure if that is available over the USB connectivity provided by MHL. You could try with a standard usb keyboard If that works, then the lapdocks should too.
I know for certain that you can use the lapdock as the screen by just connecting the video out of the MHL adapter to the lapdock, and a usb power only cable (for the MHL adapter) to the lapdocks normal USB charge ports.
There is a thread called Lapdock HDMI that has more details!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376679
As for the person saying it is or was impossible... you so sure now?
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That thread is from the Atrix forum. What bearing does that have on the argument on getting this working on an S2??
Have you even looked at the connections involved here?
The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them.
The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation. I'm fairly certain the phone detects what is plugged in and decides how to use the port, which shoots this down idea down altogether... unless more hacking is involved into the OS. Which is way above my head, and I'm not fool enough to try.
See this thread, which is admittedly for the Galaxy Nexus, but is WAY more relevant than the Atrix thread you linked, as the GNex is also manufactured by Samsung, and also uses MHL technology.
Timoxa said:
ive seen some mhl cables online which have a micro usb port on the side also. so you can plug in the micro hdmi and usb at the same time .. not as the other guy said. anyway im going to order the dock to see what mods i can get done. if anything promising il repost.
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No - the micro USB port on the side of the MHL adapter is for power. If the HDMI port you plug into is NOT MHL compliant (and not many are, yet), you need to plug an AC adapter in to power the phone while HDMI is in use.
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That thread is from the Atrix forum. What bearing does that have on the argument on getting this working on an S2??
Have you even looked at the connections involved here?
The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them.
The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation. I'm fairly certain the phone detects what is plugged in and decides how to use the port, which shoots this down idea down altogether... unless more hacking is involved into the OS. Which is way above my head, and I'm not fool enough to try.
See this thread, which is admittedly for the Galaxy Nexus, but is WAY more relevant than the Atrix thread you linked, as the GNex is also manufactured by Samsung, and also uses MHL technology.
No - the micro USB port on the side of the MHL adapter is for power. If the HDMI port you plug into is NOT MHL compliant (and not many are, yet), you need to plug an AC adapter in to power the phone while HDMI is in use.
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well. theres allot of different mhl cables. even if none of them support it. splitting the usb data from the other cables on the mhl should be easy. but like i said il order one to play with. im pretty sure even if i cant do anything with the sg2 il find another use for it. would be great for a project. but many thanks for your input. sure has shed some light in the dark.
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well. theres allot of different mhl cables. even if none of them support it. splitting the usb data from the other cables on the mhl should be easy. but like i said il order one to play with. im pretty sure even if i cant do anything with the sg2 il find another use for it. would be great for a project. but many thanks for your input. sure has shed some light in the dark.
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Sure, there are a lot of MHL cables, but they are all essentially third party versions of the OEM Samsung MHL cable. (or whatever phone manufacturer you have that uses MHL - HTC, whatever)
I have high doubts ANY MHL cable will support it, since as I said, the phone will detect what type of connection is attached to decide how to send/receive signals from the port - if it sees the MHL adapter, it will do charge/HDMI; if it sees a regular USB cable, it will do charge/data transfer/OTG; if it sees an AC adapter, it does strictly charging. Notice how it can tell the difference when you have it plugged into your computer as opposed to when you have it plugged into the wall?
But if you want to go for it, good luck.
EDIT: yet another piece of info shooting this idea down.
Here's the video that he talks about in that post. Info specific on why this DOESN'T work is at about 7:25.
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Sure, there are a lot of MHL cables, but they are all essentially third party versions of the OEM Samsung MHL cable. (or whatever phone manufacturer you have that uses MHL - HTC, whatever)
I have high doubts ANY MHL cable will support it, since as I said, the phone will detect what type of connection is attached to decide how to send/receive signals from the port - if it sees the MHL adapter, it will do charge/HDMI; if it sees a regular USB cable, it will do charge/data transfer/OTG; if it sees an AC adapter, it does strictly charging. Notice how it can tell the difference when you have it plugged into your computer as opposed to when you have it plugged into the wall?
But if you want to go for it, good luck.
EDIT: yet another piece of info shooting this idea down.
Here's the video that he talks about in that post.
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i pretty much thought the usb and hdmi wouldnt work from the beginning, il have to look into modding the dock to allow bluetooth. ive have just looked at the specifications of a mhl even though they can in theory support usb and hdmi at the same time. the sg2 wont. and i cant see any software mod that would allow this. il see what sort of bluetooth mods are available. maybe incorporate stuff i have done in the past. but the dock is too good to pass by.
i think we can close this thread as its been answered.
Timoxa said:
i pretty much thought the usb and hdmi wouldnt work from the beginning, il have to look into modding the dock to allow bluetooth. ive have just looked at the specifications of a mhl even though they can in theory support usb and hdmi at the same time. the sg2 wont. and i cant see any software mod that would allow this. il see what sort of bluetooth mods are available. maybe incorporate stuff i have done in the past. but the dock is too good to pass by.
i think we can close this thread as its been answered.
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Not to nitpick, but it's MHL 1.0 that won't support it. The GS2 just uses MHL. Who knows if there's a possibility to update it to whatever MHL 2.0 is, whenever it comes out.
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ctomgee said:
That thread is from the Atrix forum. What bearing does that have on the argument on getting this working on an S2??
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Noone is 'arguing', instead I am trying to be productive and help. Forgive me opening the door to actually trying it and thinking it through instead of just saying 'THERE IS NO WAY ITS POSSIBLE, OMG ATRIX FORUM'. you do know where you are.. right?
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Have you even looked at the connections involved here? The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them. The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
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yes, of course. you couldn't tell by my reply?
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So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation.
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Right, which is why i even posted in the first place. First you claimed to know, now you dont know, not very helpful. and yes, i think its understood there would be cables and a potential need for splicing, as outlined in the other lapdock thread.
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See this thread, which is admittedly for the Galaxy Nexus, but is WAY more relevant than the Atrix thread you linked, as the GNex is also manufactured by Samsung, and also uses MHL technology.
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actually the other thread is perfectly relevant, if you read it, you would understand the point of the thread is a howto on interfacing the lapdock with devices OTHER than the atrix, how could it be more relevant?
phire420 said:
Noone is 'arguing'
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Seriously? You're arguing that no one is arguing? By arguing?
phire420 said:
instead I am trying to be productive and help. Forgive me opening the door to actually trying it and thinking it through instead of just saying 'THERE IS NO WAY ITS POSSIBLE, OMG ATRIX FORUM'. you do know where you are.. right?
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Yes, I do. In the I9100 forums. Which is based on completely different hardware and architecture than the Motorola Atrix.
phire420 said:
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Have you even looked at the connections involved here? The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them. The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
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yes, of course. you couldn't tell by my reply?
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Clearly not, since you apparently understand less about how MHL works than I do.
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ctomgee said:
So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation.
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Right, which is why i even posted in the first place. First you claimed to know, now you dont know, not very helpful. and yes, i think its understood there would be cables and a potential need for splicing, as outlined in the other lapdock thread.
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Actually, I said I'm not an expert. Not that I didn't know. That's two different things. I notice you also conveniently left off the part of my quote after the part that said "I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation" which read:
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I'm fairly certain the phone detects what is plugged in and decides how to use the port, which shoots this down idea down altogether... unless more hacking is involved into the OS. Which is way above my head, and I'm not fool enough to try.
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phire420 said:
actually the other thread is perfectly relevant, if you read it, you would understand the point of the thread is a howto on interfacing the lapdock with devices OTHER than the atrix, how could it be more relevant?
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Sure, relevant. But not, at the same time. Look at post 10 of that thread. It says "The lapdock keyboard and touchpad work just like a normal USB keyboard and mouse."
Now, clearly I read the thread you linked. Did YOU read anything I linked, or watch the video featuring a spokesman from the frigging MHL consortium??? How he said HDMI out and USB will NOT work at the same time on any phone that utilizes MHL, not just the Galaxy S2? And goes on to explain why?
You started this fight with:
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As for the person saying it is or was impossible... you so sure now?
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in post 6. Get off your frigging high-and-mighty-horse, and crawl back under your bridge.
Timoxa said:
i pretty much thought the usb and hdmi wouldnt work from the beginning
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Video will work, but as ctomgee stated and linked, usb wont work at the same time
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ill have to look into modding the dock to allow bluetooth.
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good luck m8 id love to see if you can pull this off!
you can always solder in a usb-Bluetooth tx so that the keypad and keyboard will work via bluetooth and hdmi via MHL. thats the only way
rmyc said:
you can always solder in a usb-Bluetooth tx so that the keypad and keyboard will work via bluetooth and hdmi via MHL. thats the only way
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sounds like it's a possible solution, i'm trying to find a way to use the lapdock with my galaxy s3. any idea where we can get a usb-bluetooth tx? pair this setup with allshare dongle for wireless transmission to hdmi, we'll hv a total wireless solution to connect any phone to the lapdock?!
Could this phone potentially be able to charge, be HDMI out and be connected to a keyboard and mouse all at the same time? Or can you only do some of these features? I Saw the video of the phone being connected to multiple devices but how about everything all at once?
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Could this phone potentially be able to charge, be HDMI out and be connected to a keyboard and mouse all at the same time? Or can you only do some of these features? I Saw the video of the phone being connected to multiple devices but how about everything all at once?
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It cannot be connected to MHL and USB OTG at the same time, but you can do everything you mention with an MHL adapter (which has, and requires, a charging input in order to be able to use it), and a bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
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It cannot be connected to MHL and USB OTG at the same time, but you can do everything you mention with an MHL adapter (which has, and requires, a charging input in order to be able to use it), and a bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
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So you're telling me that it can only do Video out or read/write to USB devices but can't do both at the same time?
The reason I ask is because I'm thinking of designing a board with its own power source so that it only requires to read information from the 11 pins to accomplish everything.
I want to charge the phone, have a few USB ports and a HDMI port and have the phone interact with all. I just don't know the specs of the board or what is going on. Maybe I need to get in touch with superico.
Hello,
My Atrix 4G has has no touchscreen. I don't feel like buying a new digitizer and replacing it. I would like to use my Atrix as a media center only connected to my TV. Is it possible for me to set it up to run without a digitizer/touchscreen and only use with my TV and a wireless mouse/keyboard?
Thanks
Jon
jonmueller said:
Hello,
My Atrix 4G has has no touchscreen. I don't feel like buying a new digitizer and replacing it. I would like to use my Atrix as a media center only connected to my TV. Is it possible for me to set it up to run without a digitizer/touchscreen and only use with my TV and a wireless mouse/keyboard?
Thanks
Jon
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Yes, it's possible. Just plug the cellphone and the keyboard / mouse to the dock (in case they work via USB dongle / not bluetooth) and it's set to work the way you want.
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Yes, it's possible. Just plug the cellphone and the keyboard / mouse to the dock (in case they work via USB dongle / not bluetooth) and it's set to work the way you want.
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That's great to know. Is it possible to plug a usb mouse/keyboard directly into the body of the Atrix with a micro usb adapter and get around Android without a touchscreen?
Thanks for your help,
Jon
jonmueller said:
That's great to know. Is it possible to plug a usb mouse/keyboard directly into the body of the Atrix with a micro usb adapter and get around Android without a touchscreen?
Thanks for your help,
Jon
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Unfortunately, that's not possible. The usual microUSB / female USB cables, as used with a lot of other smartphones, doesn't work with the atrix, our phone needs an external power outlet to be able to work with USB devices. You can either use the multimedia Dock or a 'custom' cable, I saw some time ago in youtube a tutorial teaching how to make a custom one, or maybe you can find it in ebay (not sure, never looked for it, to be sincere).
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Unfortunately, that's not possible. The usual microUSB / female USB cables, as used with a lot of other smartphones, doesn't work with the atrix, our phone needs an external power outlet to be able to work with USB devices. You can either use the multimedia Dock or a 'custom' cable, I saw some time ago in youtube a tutorial teaching how to make a custom one, or maybe you can find it in ebay (not sure, never looked for it, to be sincere).
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the cable you are talking about is called udb otg ( on the go), switch the phone's usb port into host mode.. only drawback is that atrix can't supply power to the usb, you must use an external power source for the devicr attached
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I managed to use my atrix with the lapdock for around a month while I sourced a new digitizer and it worked great. I would recommend that you find a work and play kit second hand as I often use the webtop for watching on-demand tv and someone is working on a full resolution xbmc port that would work great with the remote. You might also be able to use the usb host ports to mount a fat32 hd as a media drive. The atrix can work really well without its digitizer.
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I too am interested in this as I have an Atrix 4G with a broken screen. I was thinking about buying a device like the Roku or the MK802. I guess I could just get the Motorola Entertainment Center from Amazon.
Is there a ROM that would be best for the purpose of using the Atrix as a TV only device.
I posted a tutorial in general for using hdmi and tablet mode with the backlight for the digitizer off. This might give you ideas for using the hdmi port with or without your favorite hdmi enabled Moto dock.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1876790
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