our boot loader is finally cracked, well, errrr....bypassed
we now have the luxury of brand new kernels, custom ROM's and so much more. but i have a question...
with it being bypassed will that allow for over the air updates? i mean technically i already do that, download the rom over 3g, reboot into xrecovery, and so on and so forth. but can we now get automatic updates when our beloved DEV's manage to release a new ROM version, or are we doomed forever to experience the hassles of "manual labor"?
i'm not sure if our wonderful dev's have been considering this, possibly requiring an xRecovery update? or new menu altogether?
As always thanks for all the wonderful helpto all our developers who work on hard bringing the sony ericsson xperia x10 into the new realm of technolgy known only by freexperia.
p.s. if this is possible i'm willing to change this into a devoloper only thread, and keep this first thread up to date with any developments
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tiwey said:
but can we now get automatic updates when our beloved DEV's manage to release a new ROM version, or are we doomed forever to experience the hassles of "manual labor"?
i'm not sure if our wonderful dev's have been considering this, possibly requiring an xRecovery update? or new menu altogether?
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Doomed?
I have no idea what you're talking about, it just cannot work;
Firstly, not everyone will be ready to just update,
Secondly, wouldn't this be akin to downloading .zip update from XDA Developers Android App and rebooting into it and flashing it?
Thirdly, its hardly any different, :s in terms of time taken.. maybe you press like.. 5 less buttons, but seriously... are you THAT lazy?
Manual labour, don't expect the devs to just hand you everything on a platter, you go get and download the update if you want it...
hahahahah manual labor??
It's not like you're digging a ditch or anything, jesus
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How do you know if you have the stock firmware on your phone.
By not flashing any other ROMs?
.. what kind of question is this?
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By not flashing any other ROMs?
.. what kind of question is this?
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I have done root, clock mod, AP mod, and changed the boot animation. The reason I was asking is I was just curious so I would know if I will get the OTA updates.
geocepe said:
I have done root, clock mod, AP mod, and changed the boot animation. The reason I was asking is I was just curious so I would know if I will get the OTA updates.
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What you asked previously was "STOCK" firmware. If you haven't flashed a ROM then you're on "STOCK" firmware but you did modify some parts of it with MobileAP so I don't know how that would play about.
Simple Solution.. its on the stickied post
IF I ROOT, WILL I GET OTA UPDATES?
Yes. Rooting will not prevent this, unless you flash a custom ROM that will block receiving the OTA update. If you do receive and download the OTA update, you will lose root. Typically within hours of the OTA becoming available, thanks to some fine XDA folks you can get the update WITH root. You would simply need to download and flash the update like a normal ROM.
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Even if you dont get OTA, you wouldn't want it anyway because OTA gives the update to people in GROUPS and not every single person gets the update at the same time. So you can get yours two weeks after the first batch got the update. When a OTA is released, somebody will post the link for rooted and non-rooted users to manually push the update. So there isn't a need for OTA. Just look around the forum for it when its actually out.
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What you asked previously was "STOCK" firmware. If you haven't flashed a ROM then you're on "STOCK" firmware but you did modify some parts of it with MobileAP so I don't know how that would play about.
Simple Solution.. its on the stickied post
Even if you dont get OTA, you wouldn't want it anyway because OTA gives the update to people in GROUPS and not every single person gets the update at the same time. So you can get yours two weeks after the first batch got the update. When a OTA is released, somebody will post the link for rooted and non-rooted users to manually push the update. So there isn't a need for OTA. Just look around the forum for it when its actually out.
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Thank you for the info. Sorry I didnt word it correctly to begin with.
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Thank you for the info. Sorry I didnt word it correctly to begin with.
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Yeah it just seemed weird asking if you have stock or not. It honestly doesn't really matter because in the end, you're still going to get the update even if it isn't OTA.. you'll just end up manually pushing it which is better than OTAing.
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Yeah it just seemed weird asking if you have stock or not. It honestly doesn't really matter because in the end, you're still going to get the update even if it isn't OTA.. you'll just end up manually pushing it which is better than OTAing.
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Its funny. The people you talk to in this forum know more than the people you talk to at the manufacturers. You have a great point in that i shouldnt care. Thanks again for the info
geocepe said:
Its funny. The people you talk to in this forum know more than the people you talk to at the manufacturers. You have a great point in that i shouldnt care. Thanks again for the info
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That's because for them its a chore but to justify it they get paid. Here, we do it because its something we actually ENJOY doing (well.. not all of us like to help people) and we're more enthusiastic.
I never deal with customer support unless its something out of my hands.
When you flash simple mods like MobileAP or a new Battery icon, will it pose problems when you update, say to Froyo in the future?
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By not flashing any other ROMs?
.. what kind of question is this?
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I can see how he can get confused. I was a little when I 1st started paying attention to the whole Android scene.
Stock could mean a few different things to different people.
1. Stock = NOTHING CHANGED period at all. not even mods.
2. Stock = Rom that shipped with the phone with a few mods
3. Stock = A flashed "true stock" rom
4. Stock = an Google Android STOCK rom aka AOSP
I still go by the saying that their is no stupid questions just stupid answers.
another thing, thanks for at least posting this in the correct forum haha. A lot of the other members get really PEEVED when they see postings in the wrong area.
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When you flash simple mods like MobileAP or a new Battery icon, will it pose problems when you update, say to Froyo in the future?
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I wouldn't think that it would cause any issues updating to 2.2 with mods like the battery icon. I'm unsure of the MobileAP though cause 2.2 has it built in. I would prob remove that to be safe before you update. I'm still learning too so lets wait till a more seasoned member could give ya a better answer.
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I can see how he can get confused. I was a little when I 1st started paying attention to the whole Android scene.
Stock could mean a few different things to different people.
1. Stock = NOTHING CHANGED period at all. not even mods.
2. Stock = Rom that shipped with the phone with a few mods
3. Stock = A flashed "true stock" rom
4. Stock = an Google Android STOCK rom aka AOSP
I still go by the saying that their is no stupid questions just stupid answers.
another thing, thanks for at least posting this in the correct forum haha. A lot of the other members get really PEEVED when they see postings in the wrong area.
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Thanks for the input. Im real new at this but Im starting to catch on. The group of people on this forum are real helpful.
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I wouldn't think that it would cause any issues updating to 2.2 with mods like the battery icon. I'm unsure of the MobileAP though cause 2.2 has it built in. I would prob remove that to be safe before you update. I'm still learning too so lets wait till a more seasoned member could give ya a better answer.
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2.1 has it built in too.. its just the U.S. versions of the Galaxy S has it removed because of the carrier.
Just think of "STOCK ROM" as the default ROM without any modifications. That's the best explanation of it.
So I was just going to wait for the official OTA when I get the notification.
When I update to 2.3.3 will there be ROMs that I will be able to flash without having to update to 2.3.4.
To clarify,
When I updated to Android 2.3.3 I will be able to install any ROM that is made?
*I know this is a stupid question, I just have been confused on how the ROM process works on the Atrix. Im used to the Galaxy S method. Is it the same?
Thanks!
Please don't post any useless comments.
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So I was just going to wait for the official OTA when I get the notification.
When I update to 2.3.3 will there be ROMs that I will be able to flash without having to update to 2.3.4.
To clarify,
When I updated to Android 2.3.3 I will be able to install any ROM that is made?
*I know this is a stupid question, I just have been confused on how the ROM process works on the Atrix. Im used to the Galaxy S method. Is it the same?
Thanks!
Please don't post any useless comments.
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Yes, you can still install other ROMS. However, ROMs may have varying requirements. Usually, it will require an unlocked bootloader and CWM (Clockwork Mod) recovery which will allow you to install a new ROM.
That's the beauty of Android. As long as your device is supported, you can always look forward to the community creating great ROMs!
shaunole said:
Yes, you can still install other ROMS. However, ROMs may have varying requirements. Usually, it will require an unlocked bootloader and CWM (Clockwork Mod) recovery which will allow you to install a new ROM.
That's the beauty of Android. As long as your device is supported, you can always look forward to the community creating great ROMs!
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Would it be correct to say that not all ROM's will be compatible?
I would surmise that a ROM for 2.3.4 isn't necessarily 100% useable on a phone with 2.3.3 on it given that there could be subtle differences in builds/versions which could cause issues as with P-ROM's for 4.1.26 thru' 4.1.83. If I remember correctly the later GingerBlur P-ROM's could not be used with anything other than 4.1.83, but my memory could be blurred, (no pun intended)!
Not necessarily. The current operating system (2.3.3 in this case) has nothing to do with your eligibility to upgrade to a newer operating system. The main factors are whether your hardware is supported by the new build of Android. Another factor is performance. If you have a device that is antiquated, it's quite possible that the performance could be substantially degraded.
If you are at all unsure, I would recommend waiting for official updates from your service provider or manufacturer. You really shouldn't dig too deep into the ROM scene with your primary/only device your first time around. If you make a wrong turn, you could potentially permanently disable your device, and you usually will end up voiding your warranty.
Just got my atrix, installed greyblur. Does that mean my bootloader is unlocked?
Please correct me if im wrong, but im reading here if you install greyblur you unlock your bootloader and will not be able to update to 2.3 gingerbread or any future updates?
I read somewhere moto is releasing an update to unlock the bootloader anyways?
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No, your bootloader is still locked. And when new updates are released, you will be able to upgrade.
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It's still gonna be a more of a "wait and see" on how the carriers are going to handle this...
Thanks for shinning some light on this for me. Ive rooted 3 devices, but the atrix was the more intense method.
So at this point its better to have a locked bootrom?
Is there a stock motoblur rom out there? I forgot to make a backup... :doh:
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I am brand new
Which ROM?
R there any ICS ones?
WOuld love to hear ur thoughts
Thank you
Seriously, if you don't know whether or not there's even an ICS ROM available yet, maybe you shouldn't be flashing a $600+ phone, yeah? Or, you know... use the search tool?
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Seriously, if you don't know whether or not there's even an ICS ROM available yet, maybe you shouldn't be flashing a $600+ phone, yeah? Or, you know... use the search tool?
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Will do. Thanks!
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Seriously, if you don't know whether or not there's even an ICS ROM available yet, maybe you shouldn't be flashing a $600+ phone, yeah? Or, you know... use the search tool?
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+1
you should try with stock rom for a while, start reading about flashing roms and you will be ready to flash
I know it's annoying to have to wait, but it's better to do it, than wind up with a potentially ruined device.
@benyben123
I suggest trying out Checkrom 4.0. It is very stable
Stock ROM but ROOTED and your' good to go..................friendly recommendation
Dude, if You just got Your phone and don't know what rom to choose at first learn the device. You don't need neither custom rom nor root. These are just addons for great device. It's common that people don't use their device but play with it and it ends badly. You assumed that any rom is good apart from stock but stock rom is very good. Also You don't need to root it instantly. Some say that "phone is unusable in non rooted state" - it's bull s**t. Apps that require root are designed to meet very specific needs, not for regular users. It's because android is veery advanced and allow many things without administrator privileges (this is not an iphone !). Remember - people think that root is "something everyone should do at once" - no it's not, and it's very dangerous in hands of unexperienced user. One false move with root privileges and You will start learning many things about flashing at once just to recover your device. Also remember that this is not another "application privilege". App with root privs is capable of wiping entire system in a seconds including IMEI data etc.
It's really friendly advice - leave Your phone as it is for now, learn how it works, install some apps and read as much as You can. Then You will know what your device is capable of and what can be achieved by rooting / flashing kernels or roms. Flashing without a reason, just for fun is stupid and ends with full pants.
Regards
Slig
Thank you all for all your responses!!! Much appreciated!!!
Official MIUI without a doubt. The best ROM I've used on any device.
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Official MIUI without a doubt. The best ROM I've used on any device.
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But is MIUI even supported? Isn't it ported (which means its not so good, but only kinda?)
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But is MIUI even supported? Isn't it ported (which means its not so good, but only kinda?)
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...another thing worth to read about. What do You mean by supported ? It's supported by it's designers.
For SGS2 we have custom ROMs like CheckROM - modified Samsung officials, added some tweaks, apps, removed less usable apps. And ROMs like MIUI or CyanogenMod - they are AOSP (android open source project) and have little in common with Samsung official firmware, ex. no TouchWiz so some Samsung specific apps will not work on them. According to Wikipedia - MIUI is based on CM7.1 sources.
MIUI is not "ported", it's prepared for many devices including SGS2.
Don't do *anything* until you've done a *lot* of reading. Enjoy the phone. It's a fantastic device simply running stock firmware.
Once you're comfortable enough to be able to do it in your sleep (And not before. If you have to ask questions about this, you're not ready. It is an absolutely simple process), root your phone using a CFRoot kernel.
This will enable you to remove/freeze all the crap telcos/Samsung put on the phone and all the other joyful things that come with having a rooted phone. And do a lot more reading. Only this time read the threads devoted to the various roms/kernels. Read other users experiences with these. The features. Pluses. Downsides. Ask specific questions about them in these threads.
From there, you can make an informed decision about a rom/kernel combo to try. Believe me, if you do a couple of weeks of reading/research before you do anything, you'll reap the rewards.
If you jump in the deep end without understanding what you're doing, you could end up with a soft brick that might take you a few days to fix at best. Or returning the phone to Samsung /potentially having to pay to have it repaired out of your own pocket at worst.
Just a few things to consider
hey xda,
with this new ota that was released do i need to update if i want to flash a rom based on the new 217....? and if i do, i keep reading that i have to update radios?
or can i just flash away the new roms on 208? i have tried to read up on it as much as i can, maybe i havent dug deep enough, i dont know but any help would be cool
thank as always
hboot 1.5
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hey xda,
with this new ota that was released do i need to update if i want to flash a rom based on the new 217....? and if i do, i keep reading that i have to update radios?
or can i just flash away the new roms on 208? i have tried to read up on it as much as i can, maybe i havent dug deep enough, i dont know but any help would be cool
thank as always
hboot 1.5
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yes you have to update to flash 217, but radios you dont have to but its best to
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hey xda,
with this new ota that was released do i need to update if i want to flash a rom based on the new 217....? and if i do, i keep reading that i have to update radios?
or can i just flash away the new roms on 208? i have tried to read up on it as much as i can, maybe i havent dug deep enough, i dont know but any help would be cool
thank as always
hboot 1.5
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I'm going to generalize, so this concepts aren't always 100% true but the majority of times they'll be correct. Generally, from HTC they release two types of OTA updates. 1) Only minor software updates. 2) Update both the kernel, android system, custom recovery, radio (sometimes bootloader and pri).
When the OTA updates are of the 1st situation, they are very minor and usually don't have *significant* impact on any part of the device. Essentially only patch bugs or glitches in HTC's bundled Sense/3rd party apps.
When the 2nd situation for OTA occurs, these updates are usually larger and more important. The impact on the device can be much larger as both the kernel and the system are being updated together.
In the 2nd situation, most of the time you'll want to make sure the kernel being loaded matches the version of system software being loaded. Sometimes they are backward/inter compatiable and sometimes they are not. Best practice is to keep the kernel/system software in sync.
In addition, for the 2nd situation, if a new kernel is released, HTC has *roughly* 30 days (not a hard number) to release the source code for the updated kernel. Until the kernel source is released, it will be very hard for developers to release customized versions of the new kernel.
Hope that helps!
joey,
thanks you've helped me so much going back to my Moment days. so to sum it all up, if I want a Rom with the updated 217, ,i need to go through the process of updating then unlock again or whatever?
thank you
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what do you suggest I do? and do you have a and what are the steps/or a link to properly update to 217?
again thanks for being cool and not rude...as always
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For the simple of heart who don't need the diversity of a custom ROM, but moreso hate the pain of re-rooting after OTA installation. Not intended to host this thread so much as I am here to inspire it...
I updated with flash fire. It worked perfectly. I am on stock rooted. went from 7.0 to 7.1.1.
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I updated with flash fire. It worked perfectly. I am on stock rooted. went from 7.0 to 7.1.1.
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Can you please explain how to do this? I'm on 7.0, and wanna go to 7.1.1 also
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Taken from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/nougat-7-1-1-roll-begins-t3513139/page8
1. Download the factory image from here.
https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aos...y-ef607244.zip
2. Select the firmware option on FlashFire.
3. Select ONLY system, vendor and boot images. ***DO NOT SELECT BOOTLOADER OR RADIO***
4. Select Flash.
5. Wait for some time.
6. Might bootloop a couple of times. Do not panic.
7. ENJOY!!!
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For the simple of heart who don't need the diversity of a custom ROM, but moreso hate to pain of re-rooting after OTA installation. Not intended to host this thread so much as I am here to inspire it...
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Seriously! Not to be rude, but if flashing a zip is that painful for you, perhaps you're in the wrong place.
Sincere apologies...
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Seriously! Not to be rude, but if flashing a zip is that painful for you, perhaps you're in the wrong place.
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Please forgive me sir. I love custom ROM's, I'm just in a phase right now and I figured that what helps me may help someone else. I don't understand how I offended you though sir. Is it because this thread is a waste of space or that it has no business on XDA? I need clarification in order to understand my error. My only clue is that you said flashing a zip, which leaves me feeling misunderstood... I have been flashing zips since the original HTC Desire which was on 2.1 donut before it's final OTA of eclair. Rooted, S-Off'd, flashed all kinds of mods and ROMS, even had a buggy ICS running on it for a while.
HTC Amaze, how hard was it to S-Off that? The wire trick? Had xPosed, custom boot animation, etc. Then there was Alcatel, had 2 that I rooted, the venture and the evolve2, same as above custom everything.
I'm on my Nexus 6P now, as long as we're getting updates OTA I want to remain stock for a change, at least till the updates stop coming. Maybe it's cuz I said there is pain in re-rooting... it's not just the process of re-rooting, it's everything that is undone and uninstalled when you update with a stock zip, and wiping data is a big step for those in my sort of position so flashing "some" custom ROM's is an un-worthy sacrifice at this phase.
If need be I will edit or delete my original post you quoted. I hope I did manage to bring into focus to some degree at some part of cause for the confusion emoji. Any ideas are welcome and thank you for your analytical input.
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I updated with flash fire. It worked perfectly. I am on stock rooted. went from 7.0 to 7.1.1.
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A perfect example. I have flash fiire but never used it, I read somewhere that it doesn't work as one would expect. That it does not preserve root against OTA, and that there truly is no solution available as if it were not possible. I take your word for it though. I personally am not ready to try it yet, just to provide resources for those who are and to be well educated when I am ready.
I'm still waiting for xPosed for the new architecture, I don't want to update just to find out it's available for 7.0 and not 7.1.1 however unlikely that may be. I know I can always back up, but I'd have to do so regularly to keep it up to date which can't be done once you've upgraded and it may be months before the framework is available if it can be done which I hear it has...
Too many variables, I'm on stand-by, ready to pay and grateful for my memories and the devs responsible for them...