[Q] OTA 2.3.3 Update Question(s) - Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

So I was just going to wait for the official OTA when I get the notification.
When I update to 2.3.3 will there be ROMs that I will be able to flash without having to update to 2.3.4.
To clarify,
When I updated to Android 2.3.3 I will be able to install any ROM that is made?
*I know this is a stupid question, I just have been confused on how the ROM process works on the Atrix. Im used to the Galaxy S method. Is it the same?
Thanks!
Please don't post any useless comments.

Chubby_Skunk said:
So I was just going to wait for the official OTA when I get the notification.
When I update to 2.3.3 will there be ROMs that I will be able to flash without having to update to 2.3.4.
To clarify,
When I updated to Android 2.3.3 I will be able to install any ROM that is made?
*I know this is a stupid question, I just have been confused on how the ROM process works on the Atrix. Im used to the Galaxy S method. Is it the same?
Thanks!
Please don't post any useless comments.
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Yes, you can still install other ROMS. However, ROMs may have varying requirements. Usually, it will require an unlocked bootloader and CWM (Clockwork Mod) recovery which will allow you to install a new ROM.
That's the beauty of Android. As long as your device is supported, you can always look forward to the community creating great ROMs!

shaunole said:
Yes, you can still install other ROMS. However, ROMs may have varying requirements. Usually, it will require an unlocked bootloader and CWM (Clockwork Mod) recovery which will allow you to install a new ROM.
That's the beauty of Android. As long as your device is supported, you can always look forward to the community creating great ROMs!
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Would it be correct to say that not all ROM's will be compatible?
I would surmise that a ROM for 2.3.4 isn't necessarily 100% useable on a phone with 2.3.3 on it given that there could be subtle differences in builds/versions which could cause issues as with P-ROM's for 4.1.26 thru' 4.1.83. If I remember correctly the later GingerBlur P-ROM's could not be used with anything other than 4.1.83, but my memory could be blurred, (no pun intended)!

Not necessarily. The current operating system (2.3.3 in this case) has nothing to do with your eligibility to upgrade to a newer operating system. The main factors are whether your hardware is supported by the new build of Android. Another factor is performance. If you have a device that is antiquated, it's quite possible that the performance could be substantially degraded.
If you are at all unsure, I would recommend waiting for official updates from your service provider or manufacturer. You really shouldn't dig too deep into the ROM scene with your primary/only device your first time around. If you make a wrong turn, you could potentially permanently disable your device, and you usually will end up voiding your warranty.

Just got my atrix, installed greyblur. Does that mean my bootloader is unlocked?
Please correct me if im wrong, but im reading here if you install greyblur you unlock your bootloader and will not be able to update to 2.3 gingerbread or any future updates?
I read somewhere moto is releasing an update to unlock the bootloader anyways?
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No, your bootloader is still locked. And when new updates are released, you will be able to upgrade.
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It's still gonna be a more of a "wait and see" on how the carriers are going to handle this...

Thanks for shinning some light on this for me. Ive rooted 3 devices, but the atrix was the more intense method.
So at this point its better to have a locked bootrom?
Is there a stock motoblur rom out there? I forgot to make a backup... :doh:
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Samsung Galaxy Nexus image Firmware realeased.

Hi,
I read that the original firmware of the Samsung Galaxy nexus has benn released here.
Can this be usefull to coock something for our Razr?
thanks
I hope the ICS stock room
In my razr
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No it dosn't help.
What helps is the source which have been out for a while now.
But before we can use the source to do anything we need to unlock the bootloader. And I think everyone is waiting for Motorolas ICS as the bootloader will be unlocked.
pajn said:
No it dosn't help.
What helps is the source which have been out for a while now.
But before we can use the source to do anything we need to unlock the bootloader. And I think everyone is waiting for Motorolas ICS as the bootloader will be unlocked.
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Locked bootloader ONLY prevents custom kernels. You can still root, rom, and overclock with the bootloader locked. Not that big of deal.
jcutter347 said:
Locked bootloader ONLY prevents custom kernels. You can still root, rom, and overclock with the bootloader locked. Not that big of deal.
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But a rom without a custom kernel is pretty worthless. Some apps and settings you easily could change yourself.
CM7 and MIUI both uses custom kernels.
Maybe we could get AOSP booting on Motorolas kernel but I guess it would be easier to do that with a custom.
Overclock can be done with a kernel module, but it would be better to do that in the kernel itself as we wouldn't have to see so the module is loaded all the time.
Rooting isn't very fun, it is like a jailbreaked iPhone. How much does it help to get out of you cell if your still trapped inside the prison wall.
pajn said:
But a rom without a custom kernel is pretty worthless. Some apps and settings you easily could change yourself.
CM7 and MIUI both uses custom kernels.
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Um no, have you ever dropped by the Droid X section?
Hey,I'm New to Galaxy Nexus,Can Anyone tell how can i flash Firmware on my Galaxy Nexus,Also I'm Not using Linux.So Pls help me
pajn said:
But a rom without a custom kernel is pretty worthless. Some apps and settings you easily could change yourself.
CM7 and MIUI both uses custom kernels.
Maybe we could get AOSP booting on Motorolas kernel but I guess it would be easier to do that with a custom.
Overclock can be done with a kernel module, but it would be better to do that in the kernel itself as we wouldn't have to see so the module is loaded all the time.
Rooting isn't very fun, it is like a jailbreaked iPhone. How much does it help to get out of you cell if your still trapped inside the prison wall.
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That's totally wrong.
I've owned a Droid 2 Global with a locked Bootloader, with CM7 loaded on top through an AOSP ROM, which completely changed the phone.
With a 2nd-init, you can load any custom ROM you want, which basically circumvents the locked bootloader, and allows the phone to be just as open as an unlocked bootloader.
My Mom even owns a Droid X, and has CM7 loaded on her phone, and I had to give her instructions on how to do that over IM. She did it in 20 minutes, and now loads updates on her own without my help. She's 60+ years old.
She even taught my Dad, who's probably one of the least tech savvy people on the planet, how to do the same on his phone.
Rooting is such an easy process these days, and I have my RAZR rooted, and running like a charm completely unbloated, and have ZERO issues at all.
I'm waiting for the first DroidTh3ory ICS release, and I'll be flashing immediately over to that when it's available.
Locked bootloaders, while fun to debate about the policy and the legality of the situation, are really not that important at all.
In fact, I would even argue, that having a locked bootloader, if you have the source code, is easier to work with than having an unlocked phone but no source code (HTC doesn't release there's) or have an unlocked bootloader but terrible dev support (Samsung is notorious for this).
Motorola actually has one of the better dev communities out there, because the source code makes it's so much easier to do a custom ROM.
I don't know where you got your theory on this, but it's not backed up by my real world experience.....

[Q] Updating Samsung Vibrant

I have a Unlocked Samsung Vibrant from T Mobile. I unlocked it after rooting superuser, busybox and using SGSUnlock.. My phone currently have
Firmware - 2.2
Baseband - T959UVKA6
Kernel - 2.6.32.9
Build No - FROYO.UVKA6
My question which is the best OS for my phone.?
Can the phone be upgraded to that OS without Locking?
And if Locked how to Unlock it again?
THANKS IN ADVANCE..
If by unlocked, you mean rooted, by all means keep it rooted. As for os and roms, i find that it's best to test them out and see what you like. I ran bionic for a while and recently switched to MIUI which is an amazing rom. Follow noob in 3D guide on how to install miui and give it a shot.
If by unlocked, you mean carrier unlocked, then no it will not relock when you flash another ROM, it will stay unlocked.
Depends on your taste. I've ran bionix, trigger, and many other roms. Miui, surpasses them all in customizabilty. If you want a truly custom experience use my guide (link in signature and stickied in this section) that will take you step by step through flashing the rom. However, expect slight more battery drain compared to Froyo (2.2). That's a flaw of gingerbread (2.3) based roms.
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sumit1003 said:
I unlocked it after rooting superuser, busybox and using SGSUnlock..
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I am particularly interest in this part. I have read the reviews on the market and half of them say it "bricked" their phones and other say it worked. Please elaborate if you will on this. EFS/IMEI is something not to be messed with, so that is one thing I am leary about.
I want to unlock mine, however my carrier is notoriously stubborn when it comes to that. So much so they actually tell customers to go to the corner places and have them do it.
So this app, "sgs_unlock", will remove the carrier lock if you have one?
(Edit: Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread Woodrube. I just was curious because I had never heard of being able to do this before.)
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Unlocking or Jailbreaking Whatever!!
N00B_IN_N33D said:
So this app, "sgs_unlock", will remove the carrier lock if you have one?
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Yup it worked like a charm for me, so I could, insert a different Sim card into my T959, and start running, Simple Mobile!!
Used to run T-Mobile, but now fully open to any GSM type of provider!!
Thread hijack, but other than inserting another SIM how do you know you are unlocked? I just used Galaxy Unlock in the market, mainly bc it had far fewer negative reviews and made backup of efs folder. Is there somewhere to look to see if it is truly unlocked? Some file created?

[Q] Why not use the official update procedure for modded kernels and OS versions?

Hi all!
I bought my GS2 about 3 weeks ago, it had 2.3.4 on it. I didn't root it, I didn't hack anything on it since then.
Two nights ago I installed the official 2.3.6 update from AT&T/Samsung. I was absolutely delighted by how easy and effortless the update was: it downloaded the 20 MB update package over WiFi, it automatically rebooted my phone, it applied the update, automatically rebooted it again, and voila, in about 4-5 minutes I had a new kernel version, a new Android version, and a new baseband version installed and ready to be used on my phone.
Note that I didn't have to root my phone for this and it also preserved all my apps and settings.
So, I have a likely naive question: why don't kernel and OS mods use the same procedure to install themselves? There's obviously a way to update the kernel easily, because it just happened to me 2 nights ago. Same for the OS update. So, why not just "hijack" AT&T's official update procedure for making kernel and OS mod installs as user-friendly as possible? If there are specific technical reasons preventing us from doing so, please, do explain them to me - I am a software engineer, I will understand, although I am an Android n00b.
I'm not 100% sure, but they probably use signed packages, and without the proper key, it won't let you update.
The update files from att are signed. If you can figure out or get your hands on the signature keys you could create any install (including kernels and roms) in an update file that could be installed simply with the stock recovery.
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imreolajos said:
Hi all!
I bought my GS2 about 3 weeks ago, it had 2.3.4 on it. I didn't root it, I didn't hack anything on it since then.
Two nights ago I installed the official 2.3.6 update from AT&T/Samsung. I was absolutely delighted by how easy and effortless the update was: it downloaded the 20 MB update package over WiFi, it automatically rebooted my phone, it applied the update, automatically rebooted it again, and voila, in about 4-5 minutes I had a new kernel version, a new Android version, and a new baseband version installed and ready to be used on my phone.
Note that I didn't have to root my phone for this and it also preserved all my apps and settings.
So, I have a likely naive question: why don't kernel and OS mods use the same procedure to install themselves? There's obviously a way to update the kernel easily, because it just happened to me 2 nights ago. Same for the OS update. So, why not just "hijack" AT&T's official update procedure for making kernel and OS mod installs as user-friendly as possible? If there are specific technical reasons preventing us from doing so, please, do explain them to me - I am a software engineer, I will understand, although I am an Android n00b.
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Not to mention making things too easy is a big reason for far more bricks then there should be.
Flashing a custom rom is not ment to be easy as the min you root it you voided your warranty and returning after the fact if you mess up is fraud.
penguinlogik said:
I'm not 100% sure, but they probably use signed packages, and without the proper key, it won't let you update.
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Correct - stock recovery will only flash packages that have been signed by Samsung or AT&T.
.. and who doesn't like booting into recovery and flashing yourself
Makes me feel like I know what I'm doing
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zelendel said:
Not to mention making things too easy is a big reason for far more bricks then there should be.
Flashing a custom rom is not ment to be easy as the min you root it you voided your warranty and returning after the fact if you mess up is fraud.
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Unless your root procedure or use thereof caused the phone or hardware to fail then this statement is not 100% true.
Read up on the Magnusson-Moss Act....of course, the burden is on the consumer to fight it.
To me, a phoned is really a cheap disposable piece of hardware. I prefer to take the risk of damage from use that may void my warranty. To me, having my phone (or car, motorcycle,etc...) work the way I want is more valuable than the peace of mind that a warranty provides.
Back on topic... Flashing a ROM is already pretty damn easy. I've done the entire procedure while sitting at red lights on the way home from work... I wouldn't expect a Dev to jump through the necessary hoops to mimic an OTA update
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zelendel said:
Flashing a custom rom is not ment to be easy as the min you root it you voided your warranty and returning after the fact if you mess up is fraud.
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Oh please.
And even if it is, these companies deserve it.
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MikeyMike01 said:
Oh please.
And even if it is, these companies deserve it.
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Without these companies we wouldn't have these products
But yeah, they can be a little unfair at times.

[Q] confused

hey xda,
with this new ota that was released do i need to update if i want to flash a rom based on the new 217....? and if i do, i keep reading that i have to update radios?
or can i just flash away the new roms on 208? i have tried to read up on it as much as i can, maybe i havent dug deep enough, i dont know but any help would be cool
thank as always
hboot 1.5
tammyjustin said:
hey xda,
with this new ota that was released do i need to update if i want to flash a rom based on the new 217....? and if i do, i keep reading that i have to update radios?
or can i just flash away the new roms on 208? i have tried to read up on it as much as i can, maybe i havent dug deep enough, i dont know but any help would be cool
thank as always
hboot 1.5
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yes you have to update to flash 217, but radios you dont have to but its best to
tammyjustin said:
hey xda,
with this new ota that was released do i need to update if i want to flash a rom based on the new 217....? and if i do, i keep reading that i have to update radios?
or can i just flash away the new roms on 208? i have tried to read up on it as much as i can, maybe i havent dug deep enough, i dont know but any help would be cool
thank as always
hboot 1.5
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I'm going to generalize, so this concepts aren't always 100% true but the majority of times they'll be correct. Generally, from HTC they release two types of OTA updates. 1) Only minor software updates. 2) Update both the kernel, android system, custom recovery, radio (sometimes bootloader and pri).
When the OTA updates are of the 1st situation, they are very minor and usually don't have *significant* impact on any part of the device. Essentially only patch bugs or glitches in HTC's bundled Sense/3rd party apps.
When the 2nd situation for OTA occurs, these updates are usually larger and more important. The impact on the device can be much larger as both the kernel and the system are being updated together.
In the 2nd situation, most of the time you'll want to make sure the kernel being loaded matches the version of system software being loaded. Sometimes they are backward/inter compatiable and sometimes they are not. Best practice is to keep the kernel/system software in sync.
In addition, for the 2nd situation, if a new kernel is released, HTC has *roughly* 30 days (not a hard number) to release the source code for the updated kernel. Until the kernel source is released, it will be very hard for developers to release customized versions of the new kernel.
Hope that helps!
joey,
thanks you've helped me so much going back to my Moment days. so to sum it all up, if I want a Rom with the updated 217, ,i need to go through the process of updating then unlock again or whatever?
thank you
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what do you suggest I do? and do you have a and what are the steps/or a link to properly update to 217?
again thanks for being cool and not rude...as always
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ROM's and rooting for the Prime

Hi all,
I currently own a HTC Wildfire and have squeezed everything out of it by rooting/roms/root apps etc. So I know the benefits of rooting and used it on my HTC mainly to speed it up (it only has a 528mhz cpu, no gpu so things stock are pretty slow ) and remove the HTC crap apps. Now, as the Prime is already so fast and can handle almost anything, I wonder if there is any benefit of installing a custom ROM on it. I'm surely going to root it when I get it (to OC and f.e. Titanium Backup), but why a custom ROM when ASUS updates the Prime often enough? And one other thing, what is the size of the dev community concerning the prime. The wildfire had a really large community with lots of Rom's, but I obviously don't know about this Transformer.
Thanks in advance
Why? Simply to make a fast prime even Faster.
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Jonphinguyen7 said:
Why? Simply to make a fast prime even Faster.
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I was already planning to do so But what about the ROM's. Do they actually add any extra functionality that is not present in the stock rom?
tobitronics said:
I was already planning to do so But what about the ROM's. Do they actually add any extra functionality that is not present in the stock rom?
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yes they do. just head over to developement section and look at the features list for each rom. there is also another feature packed rom, AOKP, but its not hosted on this site anymore. its on another forum. just Google for it and you should be able to find it. We also have custom kernels that adds alot of kernel optimization like memory tweaks, 1.8Ghz overclock, and other things. Motley & Shaky have custom kernels in prime developement section. just head over there and check out those feature lists also. Tons of improvements made over stock kernel.
There are also some Cornerstone ROMs available, which give you a completely new experience and definitely extend the Android tablet experience.
Root ver.21 with unlocked Bootloader
Hello,
i'm a new tf201 user and was be able to make CWM 5.8.2.0 after unlocked the Bootloader without to root the transformer Prime. Now, i don't know how to root it, because the update is up to day ver.21.
I read always to downgrade to Version 15 or 17, and then root and upgrade to version 21, but on a tf201 with locked Bootloader. What can i do with an unlocked Bootloader?
Andres73garcia said:
Hello,
i'm a new tf201 user and was be able to make CWM 5.8.2.0 after unlocked the Bootloader without to root the transformer Prime. Now, i don't know how to root it, because the update is up to day ver.21.
I read always to downgrade to Version 15 or 17, and then root and upgrade to version 21, but on a tf201 with locked Bootloader. What can i do with an unlocked Bootloader?
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if you already unlocked, you don't even need to use conventional methods of rooting. Just flash anyone of the custom roms available as all of them have root built into them. If you want a stock rom just rooted, there's a custom one for that also that all you have to do is flash it. Whatever you do, don't try to flash Asus official roms from their website. Only flash custom roms from here or another site.
So now that you're unlocked , you have a choice of flashing a rooted, plain stock rom. no changes other than root. Or you can flash any one of the custom roms here. which all have root built into them. just make sure to read up on all of them and how to properly install.
edit: i just noticed you said you have CWM and unlocked. You only can flash CWM if you're already rooted and unlocked. Installing CWM app is does not mean you flashed CWM recovery. You have to do that within the app. then you power down and boot into recovery to make sure it worked. unlocking the prime wont make you lose root. Install an app called "root checker" from the marketplace. Its free and will let you know if you're still rooted or not.
demandarin said:
if you already unlocked, you don't even need to use conventional methods of rooting. Just flash anyone of the custom roms available as all of them have root built into them. If you want a stock rom just rooted, there's a custom one for that also that all you have to do is flash it. Whatever you do, don't try to flash Asus official roms from their website. Only flash custom roms from here or another site.
So now that you're unlocked , you have a choice of flashing a rooted, plain stock rom. no changes other than root. Or you can flash any one of the custom roms here. which all have root built into them. just make sure to read up on all of them and how to properly install.
edit: i just noticed you said you have CWM and unlocked. You only can flash CWM if you're already rooted and unlocked. Installing CWM app is does not mean you flashed CWM recovery. You have to do that within the app. then you power down and boot into recovery to make sure it worked. unlocking the prime wont make you lose root. Install an app called "root checker" from the marketplace. Its free and will let you know if you're still rooted or not.
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Well, when i start the display shows "unlocked Bootloader" and if i press volume down and power, i get the CWM 5.8.2.0. Then i can navigate to choose zip and i see the sd-card. But on the root checker, i get the message "no Rooted". Well, first of all, thanks for your kindness.
This afternoon I download the ROM you mention, and proof that he takes it. We comment on the result.
Andres73garcia said:
Well, when i start the display shows "unlocked Bootloader" and if i press volume down and power, i get the CWM 5.8.2.0. Then i can navigate to choose zip and i see the sd-card. But on the root checker, i get the message "no Rooted". Well, first of all, thanks for your kindness.
This afternoon I download the ROM you mention, and proof that he takes it. We comment on the result.
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Thank you, run to the first. Now i tested the new Rom and tell you more . Thanks, thanks, thanks........
I've looked around the dev section and I wonder what the benefits are of unlocking your tab with the Asus unlock tool. Do you really need it to flash cwm and/or a custom rom?
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Andres73garcia said:
Thank you, run to the first. Now i tested the new Rom and tell you more . Thanks, thanks, thanks........
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you welcome
tobitronics said:
I've looked around the dev section and I wonder what the benefits are of unlocking your tab with the Asus unlock tool. Do you really need it to flash cwm and/or a custom rom?
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA
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no one really needs to do it. Its a choice whether you want to or not. its already been well explained as to why people do so.
So in short, if you want to try custom roms/kernels that run better than stock rom and have features & optimization not found on stock, then you need to root, then unlock, then install CWM , then flash recovery from within that app, then flash rom/kernel of your choice.
Some roms change up the look and feel of the tablet, for the better of course. some add functionality benefits you will never see on a stock rom.
demandarin said:
you welcome
no one really needs to do it. Its a choice whether you want to or not. its already been well explained as to why people do so.
So in short, if you want to try custom roms/kernels that run better than stock rom and have features & optimization not found on stock, then you need to root, then unlock, then install CWM , then flash recovery from within that app, then flash rom/kernel of your choice.
Some roms change up the look and feel of the tablet, for the better of course. some add functionality benefits you will never see on a stock rom.
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So if I understand it correctly you only can install a custom rom when you have unlocked the bootloader, right?
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resell value?
need advice!
do you guys think that unlocking the prime will reduce its resell value?
I've always unlocked devices but I've always reverted them to their original state before selling them. it seems once unlocked, OTA's won't be possible anymore. Do you think instaling a stock-like rom will do the job?
I haven't seen anyone mention this fact about unlocking and I thought this thread is the appropriate one.
Thanks for your input everyone!
Resale only matters in terms of value if there's an active warranty on the device or not. If there isn't, then it's probably going to INCREASE the resale value if you move off the stock ROM and onto a "Stock like" (Primalicious, Virtuous Prime, etc), along with a proper recovery setup, on account of the fact that once set up in such a manner, it requires gold standard stupidity to brick the device.
That said, if it -does- still have a working warranty and you've not unlocked the bootloader, it's generally considered good for the value of the prime to not fiddle with it (stock primes are getting RMA'd with increasing frequency, word around the campfire is that the .21 update has caused a lot more hassle than it ever fixed).
I'm somewhat wondering if ASUS may end up recalling the original primes and replacing them / refurbishing them up to C4 spec on the house, regardless of bootloader status, as the mess with WiFi and Bluetooth seems a bit too widespread.

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